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welcome to wiseguys. this is different show. we talk about things that are going on, things you read about an this into on tv. were trying to go a little deeper and take a longer view. before that we had the benefit of some wise people that we call them the wiseguy. ari fleischer, expert medications. steve wynn, a genius at building things and making things. >> be very careful with the use of the term wise guy. >> understood. ollie north, aaron dershowitz professor of law and my law professor. it's great to have you here and great have this opportunity to talk about things that matter to the american people. let's start with all that i

ever want to talk about, this country, this republic. what lincoln called the last best hold of her. he said we should. [inaudible] how are we doing? how does our republic fair. look at it historically and in terms of the future and in terms of what you do. how is america doing. >> i think we are doing fabulously well. the reason i say that is because america's greatest strength is we are a self-correcting democracy and always have been. we handle our differences politically. we handle them through the ballot box. think about the turmoil that's taken place and the founding days of the civil war to the 60s. through some of the violence that took place. look at it now. we are handling things by arguing about things and then we'll have an election. elections will change results or keep results if that's what people want.

our country does great because we are strong democracy. >> you said were doing fabulous. if you look at the polls, that's not what you would hear people say. >> in the sweep of time that's what i would say. don't look at it moment by moment. >> but for the future. we are miss educating all whole generation of leaders on our college campuses. we are teaching them in tolerance, we are encouraging shutting down dissenting views and when i used to teach, icc 150 students. they will look at each other and they were scared. half the future, that's the future editor of the new york times or the future chairman of goldman sachs or the future las vegas developer. i knew these were our future leaders and i am terrified not about the present. i am terrified about 20 or 30 years from now when these young people who have been taught not to tolerate diverse views become our leaders.

>> in the last 18 years i've been bending in the company of young american heroes. they have all volunteered to serve this country and all will come back and eventually get out of the military. they are the future leaders. my dad is an ivy league dad. the bottom line is, the next generation of american leaders will come out of state colleges. they will come out of public schools and, out of the expense of our military pit we now have 22 members of congress who served in this very long war that we been input my hope and my plan for the future is that those are the next generation of leaders, not to diminish the ivy league but come from the heartland of america were reflects where our armed forces are. >> you think our country is in good shape. >> it is.

>> ellen made a counterpoint. it's very difficult not to look at the scene today and not find it offputting. what i'm struck by is this, we have always had violent diversity in this country. today because of the social media it is in our face. it's on cable television 247. i think we are very much aware of the problems but with a sense of history, i have this feeling that things appear to be worse than they are at the moment and that's allowing for the fact that there are very disturbing things going on. my point is this. i think america is very self-conscious today because of their ability to be self-conscious and the medications revolution in social media is changing things and made us a little bit more, little more paranoid.

i could be wrong about that. >> when allender schlitz talked about my era and he pointed to who was going to be chief justice, i did not get pointed at either then or the presentation now. >> is it fair to say. [inaudible] i thought when harry was answering, we've seen this kind of stuff in america before, but when, before the civil war a congressman goes and beats up on the senator massachusetts, was out all over? did everyone her see that? your hearing where everyone runs their voices and runs all day on tv. the people know that was going on? was it in their faces? this as part of it. the negative stuff is what's played the most.

>> this has the appearance of being overblown. >> i agree with that. i think our systems of checks and balances has never been stronger and more successful. take charlottesville. they think it shows the worst of america. we won charlottesville. every american on every side condemn the nazis and the fascists. >> that is how i see america. it's part why ronald reagan inspired me. i became a republican because of ronald ragan. that is unabated. it's unabated because of the power of individualism. if you look at american and you compare us to western europe, unemployment in france, they're trying to do

10% structural on implement. wherefore .1. the reason we are still a country that fundamentally works because our big things work. any political disagreements can be temporary. you live through them and they say oh my goodness this guy is falling and it's not. vigil is and remains paramount with the possible exception of asia. capitalism remains strong and i think it's about to get stronger as a result of some of the things happening. >> and the hope is that college students will grow up. a lot of people praise the youth, the youth, the youth are the ones who burn the books in nazi germany. they surrounded stalin and thought of him as a great hero and followed mao on the death marches. use cuts both ways, but the good thing about young people is some of them grow up, like you. you were different as a young man and you became different when you matured. my hope is that these kids on college campuses today who are

being incentivized and incited by their hard left professors toward intolerance, when they leave university they will say wait a minute, america is great, they have great institutions and this is better than some form of collectivism and the future that i fear won't come about. >> i want to talk about a question related to this. we should talk about the colleges. was going to ask you guys what worries you the most? one of the things that really worries me is what i was reading the other day, the problem in regards terrorism isn't people who come here as immigrants, it's the people who are here is second-generation because the assimilation process isn't working very effectively. you talk to kids in the schools, asked them what they think of america, the one i'm always siding is a majority of millennium's believe socialism. [inaudible] i did 30 minutes the other day on a podcast about venezuela and what's happening there. i worry about that.

who carries the fold. yes when you get colleges in the professors, that's going on in some places, but i see in almost all the schools, a failure to teach what this country is and what it's about and why it is the last best for our generation. >> our generation is always worried about the other generation. >> what's wrong with these kids. >> but they grow up and experience in time teaches them how to distinguish between right and wrong were correct and incorrect and failure and success. >> fortunately, for our side, and i don't mean our generation. the other side hasn't got a single win on the board. it is a loser situation. every single example, and you can only be oblivious to history for a certain length of time and that has a way of

crowding itself. >> and that seems to be what happens. there is a push back to what's happening on these campuses because campuses are small slice of growing america and we saw that in the election of 2016. there are a lot lot of blue-collar workers who thought washington wasn't listening and along came donald trump and for all the flaws he had, they welcome that voice that heard their plea, that heard things are working for blue-collar factory workers in america. not everyone will be the ivy league graduate that comes out. there's a whole another part of push poll. it's a balance. >> isn't it ironic that the hard left claims to speak on behalf of working-class americans and they couldn't care less it's all theory and ideology.

>> i've spent the past 50 years of my life with my employees, being with the people who helps run these hotels and work in them and my entire point of view has been shaped by my relationship with my employees. i tend to have a blue-collar point of view in spite of the privilege i've been allowed to enjoy because of them and i agree with what you just said. i see the college campus is one thing, but when you talk to the people who work, these single parents, my latino, asian employees, these single women and then who are struggling with their paychecks, they are down to much more fundamental things and they know the difference between right and wrong and the correct way. [inaudible]

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office, i think it's safe to say that we don't give a damn what other people think, but at a certain level i certainly don't. what about this spending. >> you not being fair to yourself. no one cares more than you do. i wanna hear, he represented administration on this issue as well as everything else at how to get a hold of this? one word, growth. the fact of the matter is the economy grows at more than 2.6% even after tax cuts. the deficit will come down. we haven't had robots growth for ten years. >> you don't have to go after entitlements and medicare and social security. >> the long-term you do. for the short-term, this is also the most important issue of 2016. the subsidiary of what you said, how do you increase the paychecks of struggling

workers? when this economy is booming the way it was in the 1990s and in the mid- 2000, wages rose because the economy was growing consistently at more than 3%. we haven't had that in ten years. that's one of the reasons donald trump won, but if we get that type of growth, people are going to feel better and more importantly people have been left out. they will get a raise naturally because of the economy. >> what i hear from employers is you know the kids were coming, their work attitude isn't very good. i know that's not your situation because you have a special group of people who want to work for you. you are the most desirable boss in the area. >> we recruit the same people as everybody else. that's what happens after. >> male participation in the workforce is pretty low. they feel that people can't

pass drug test. attitudes toward work among millennial's is not what it should be. we still say these are the best workers? >> while yes, but if i may, i will come back and offer the question. how do you deal with the long-term problem? i agree there will be a massive infusion inside the federal government until we get term limits in the congress of the united states, more money coming in, they will spend more. the big problem is lifetime tenure in a congress of the united states where they've got to take care of this new constituency and those are there every year. >> you think the problem is democracy. >> no i think it's a way in which we've implemented democracy. we've decided we would limit the terms for two terms. why do we do the same. >> because they wrote the rules. >> they don't have the ability

independently when it's appropriate. >> i said congressman campaigning for sixth term is bribing the voters. >> actually they're all dropping like flies these days. >> i have a question for ari. it relates to this. we are both libertarians but i think you are more extreme on the libertarian scale. >> when i was growing up it never would occur to me that you can have competition with the american post office. it's doing very well. now comes along that coin and says we will have competition with the government printing money, having the exclusive right to print money. >> i'm proud to say i don't understand the slightest thing about that coin. i don't understand it. >> this one is overhead. >> when i see a bubble, i run from it. >> i agree. >> i don't know.

>> but competition with the government on what is the government's most inherent power to print money or not print money, cause inflation, because the value of the dollar to go down, we are now having competition. we will see competition in every aspect of life and it's like everything else, you've got out of a good and a bad and we have to control it. >> about competition in the intelligence area. >> we will find that too. private companies are doing intelligence work. it's inevitable. it gives us the opportunity for competition which we created in this country. it didn't depend on your last name or your royalty connection. you can make it whatever you want it. it's pretty much still the same as long as a legal. >> should every thing be unregulated? should remain completely unregulated? the first amendment says yes

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live from america's news headquarters. i'm kelly wright. emmanuel governing the third and bursary of the deadly attacks to al qaeda linked gunman killed people and wounded 11 more there after the magazine published derogatory images of mohammed. that attack the first of three over as many days. a total of 17 were killed and two injured. another successful liftoff or space excellence on sunday evening sending the spacecraft into orbit with a serious payload from the us government it's the third class launch for the company. the spacecraft is being sent

into low earth orbit but not much known about the mission capabilities or purpose. after the successful launch, the falcon nine is back at cape canaveral. i'm kelly wright. . >> does a democratically elected government, doesn't have the ability to impose upon itself discipline that would normally be imposed by each of its citizens in their lives individually? >> the record is mixed on that. >> i do say go back to the 80s and 90s, you have the kremlin and the legislation was limited on how much you could spend. we have had attempt to cap the spending. that's one of the reasons defense got slashed. we haven't done the big picture yet for entitlements, but i haven't given up on these things. there is a pendulum to these things. it does take cycles.

>> does it take stuff away from people and still be popular. >> we have, at this table a personification of the complexity of the spread we have a man who is a multibillionaire and the american dream. he earned it all the hard way from nothing and yet when they see the kind of wealth you have, there are people who resent it. i don't think they have the right too. i think they have the right to demand a safety net, they have the right to demands a decent life, but have no right to try to take your wealth away. that's just called jealousy and it destroys one of the most important engines of capitalism but the perception of the disparity of wealth has become greater than ever before because of the media. it is a real problem. i wanted to ask steve, how do you deal with that in your personal life and how do we deal with that institutionally. >> in fact they don't. i can't do anything about what other people think.

my counterpoint to jealousy or envy is the only constituency that is successful business person has are the jobs he's created in the people who work for him and the opportunities of better life for people who are involved with his business family. the fact of the matter is, the distribution of privilege on this planet is outrageously imbalanced. >> the five of us at this table are part of a group, americans, that sit in one tenth of 1% of the almost 8 billion people that occupy this planet. just being in this country we are privileged beyond any fair measurement of distribution. it has always been so. what really matters is not to fret over the disparity because it will never change. what we focus on is the only

thing that's ever created a better life for human beings in the history of humanity is the demand for their labor. the more there is the better the life. it leads us to the simple question, what is the purpose of government? to create an environment where the demand for human labor goes up and people have a better life. i have been part of that process as being part of the commercial and the country. it has given me a great deal of satisfaction and it has insulated me from giving a damn about what people say who are jealous. >> i think we have to focus on what we do in our time on this planet to make things better. >> i-pronoui-pronou n will bring this down about 10000 feet. you asked about government. where do we stand now on government? the public's opinion. one department, how can you tama government and have respect and regard for a government when you have a justice department that seems.

[inaudible] >> i think the framers of our constitution made a serious mistake by creating a justice department that includes the advisor to the president, the political advisor, the attorney general but under his jurisdiction. we have to move in this direction because we are losing the trust in our justice system today. it has become too politicized. >> you represent one of the few institutions in which the american people have confidence, the military. they have high regard. >> absolutely, no doubt. >> what could other institutions of government or the private sector learn from them. >> let's take for example, it's based on merit. i would debate us a little

bit with what you described as the most powerful power of government is pretty money. i think it's making war. that's why it's so circumscribed. >> our constitution creates a founder and chief but the bottom line is, that too has become, what has been imposed on our military for the past five years don near wrecked it and that was a congressionally mandated imposition in the middle of a war. >> the military still retains the trust and support of the american people because of the quality of the people we've got in it and the quality of the people we have leading it. >> but the model you suggested, we are losing. every kid gets a metal and a trophy and we are afraid to criticize or tell the truth or

defend somebody. how do we strike an appropriate balance between a military model which might be a little two-minute rigid and everybody gets a metal model. >> culturally and spiritually our country is in trouble. i watched what happened in charlottesville last year end i look at that and say let us hope that doesn't happen again. i think you probabl properly applauded the results but the bottom line of what we are doing is we move away from the community model where you have the entire community of charlottesville banded together to stop what could have become an atrocious example of the worst of what we are. i look at those kind of things and say we've got trouble. i don't think they are insoluble. i see the power or the authority of good spiritual leaders being far more important than the old.

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one of the big negatives i see in our society that i don't know what the answer is is the breakdown of family. we are 25% of white kids are born out of wedlock spread 50% of hispanic and 75% of after americans never have a data home. it's creating a situation where people are improvising and finding sarah gets and mentors, loving hands and guides. i think that is the soft underbelly of america. this is the problem government cannot solve. it's an individual moral thing and it's been a massive cultural thing for this is new. this did not happen until the 60. >> pat moynahan wrote about it and said it's the biggest chang change.

>> that is the most ominous and negative thing. i have to agree with you. what we have here is a clear understanding of the problem. the issue is at the table, is there any suggestions on how to fix it. he did put his finger on one of the really profound problems of our time. >> there's no arguing about it. >> politically, we tried to solve the problem by allowing people who file jointly in their tax returns to get a bigger reductions in their taxes. i don't think you're going to find a political solution to the spread i think the country needs spiritual renewal. >> the idea of community where people go to a church or synagogue for counsel, that's kind of gone. >> and we talked to people about individual behavior. >> but the government can only play a limited role. >> i agree. >> we are on a downhill slide. technology, the institutions and the devices have allowed

more and more isolation and in an age of humanism where instead of god for going to church or synagogue, you say the ultimate goal is to be the best possible me that i could be. that is so much a part, i'm reading hummel deus and the aspirational goal today has nothing to do with getting head or adhering to some code of conduct, it's cannot be the best possible me and that, we've changed, and dealing with modern society in spite of our inherent optimism, the obstacles and all of us agree, the question is where is the good news going to come from. >> so the military still has a code of conduct. >> yes, there is. but this thing right here, and

just before we sat down at this table, i looked around every person in this room, self included, had one of these in their hand. it's all about, as you put it, me. it's immediate gratification. it's immediate i want what i want when i want. >> i'm not condemning it, i'm just saying it is what it is. >> america has the highest attendance of churches and synagogues in the world because we have separation of church and state. that has been the best thing for religion and churches. keeping the government, keeping the forest out of the wilderness out of the garden as roger williams put it has been the best thing america ever did for churches and religion, and the government cannot ever get involved in making people go to church or keeping people from it. >> where does the good news come from. >> the pendulum is hopefully swinging away from the extremism on both sides and we, on the stable have a special obligation. conservatives have a special obligation to marginalize the

extreme, extreme right and liberals like me have a special obligation to marginalize the extreme, extreme left. can tell y conservatives are doing a better job of it. when william buckley attacked pat buchanan and said i can't defend you against charges of anti-semitism, it really routed the conservative movement of that particular play. my liberal friends are not doing a good enough job of marginalizing extreme left. move on, code pink, all of those things that are helping to destroy the democratic party, the libera liberal movement, and ultimately america. >> does the government have the response ability to protect those places of worship? >> of course. separation of church and state can't ever be absolute. the church, and the synagogue are part of society. it is a balance. it's a matter of degree. >> but what about without the

government being involved, these families, these advocates who speak up for it, used to be part and parcel of education. >> i love your writing about morality, but i don't want professors and universities on high schools to be teaching students what to think. i want them to teach how to think because if you want to teach them what to think they are not going to teach them what you want. they're going to teach them what the radical left wants so i worry a lot about having morality be introduced into the curriculum because it's not going to be the morality you like. >> i'm glad i'm not your course anymore. >> i couldn't disagree more. in the modern world, it pays to switch things up. and when you switch to esurance, you can save time, worry, hassle, and

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i want to put on the table one of these big new ideas. i don't know which side i'm on but it's worth thinking about. it's the notion that with artificial intelligent and self driving vehicles that we give every american, no matter how poor and how rich a mandatory payment, $35000 salary periods eve win will get it and the poorest person will get it. in exchange we abolish every

programming government so no one ever has an excuse anymore to say i can't afford it, i can't do it. now everybody has the resources to do it but you know what you don't have to go through hoops. you don't have to have a massive bureaucracy. you have to have some sort of better safety net and the safety net is not what bureaucrats give you because your food stamps and housing vouchers and welfare payment. >> are you saying no means test, every month i get a check from social security, that's absurd. i shouldn't be getting any social security. i am too rich for that. i would give it too charity, but why is the government wasting money sending me social security. >> because i earned it. >> i don't believe i earned it. i want someone else to get it. >> that's your individual decision but that's different from earned benefits. you earned your medicare and social security because they took it out of your paycheck. >> but they took taxes out as well. >> if you go to a mandatory salary, which i don't necessarily advocate but i want to talk about it.

only in exchange for abolishing all means testing. >> i earned the right to have it if i need it. i didn't earn the right to have it if it's unnecessary and superfluous to my lifestyle. i want the government to figure out a way to figure that out and give people to need it. >> , two more things. what you do with your social security. >> wiseguys charity. >> of course. >> settle down. >> two more things. we flirted with this. you talked about government and labor in the sweat of a man's brow, we brought up the question of artificial intelligence. are you worried about this? are you worried about robots. >> it was a few years back when we wondered whether watson, now watson can be a hundred bobby fishers. i've been reading some high-tech stuff, i'm not good at this, but that community out there is really divided about the. >> i am not afraid of robots.

they will never take over our lives. >> really, you're not. >> i'm not. i think we can always control technology and we just have to always be ahead of it. we have to anticipate these issues and make sure we balance the ability to control technology with the ability to make it free so i can develop better. >> steve, a big party or workforce, can become robotic. >> josh wrote a book about this called the seventh sense of what we have to do to deal with artificial intelligence. on my own personal side, i could use a little help. >> i have entry-level employees, i'm always going to need people. we train them here so when anybody gets discouraged if you get

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. >> i want to go entirely off-topic. i'm a big sports guy.

one of the reasons we got ari fleischer here, he works in the world of sports and knows all these guys. has this nfl thing screwed things up? can we look to the guys as examples? was it charles barkley who famously said i'm no role model? what do we make out of it? >> the reason is in a certain stage in a boy's life, he may not listen to priest, his mistress, father, mother, he'll listen to the coach who says give me a hundred and says he wants to get there. >> let me divide that into two. for countless youth, sports is a fantastic way out. they have given the rarefied athlete a ticket into professional sports where they made more money they could ever imagine. for those people, absolutely. the other side of this, should we as fans look at athletes as role models? i don't think so. the role models are the military, the teachers who

influence us for life. we don't know enough about the athletes that we adore and watch on tv. as a guy who performed well in the field, you don't know what the character is like, what type of model they. >> are you are leaving out 51% of the population, that is the most dramatic revolution has been women in sports. what women in sports, the american soccer team, which wins all over the world, the wnba, it has really, really changed our perception of women we see women now as strong. >> sure. >> as athletic. >> i did not leave them out. >> you said guys. >> they come up because of the college scholarships. >> only reason i talked about the guys is if you look, the guys are in bad shape compared to the girls. the guys are in bad shape in lots of ways in all the pathologies. sports about tests. the reason we have fans, up until recently people would watch athletic events,

football, basketball, baseball. look what's happened in the last five years, the number of people watching a football game has dropped. it could be politics, it could be whatever. >> a pro game. >> yes. >> not a college game. >> exactly. but you know what? most of us played high school or college sports, never dreaming we were going to go to the nfl. >> i dreamed, i dreamed. >> i was so wild, i'm a first baseman, left-hander. couldn't make it. the idea of testing yourself against someone else, boxing ring, wrestling, whatever, is a wonderful effort, if you will, a wonderful example of the kind of things that americans are free to do in most other countries they can't. go to the thesis of this broadcast today. looking back at the last year and looking ahead at this year, i say that the sports are going to drop the numbers of people watching because of the politics of it. the numbers of kids going out for high school sports, boys and girls, and every one of my grandkids that's over the age

of six is playing some kind of sport, and some of them are vicious with the lacrosse stick. >> my grandchildren too, lacrosse player. >> right? i think that's going to continue. i don't see the popularity of professional sports being anything like what it once was. >> ari, expert opinion, last comment. >> keep politics and sports totally separate. sports kills itself when it invites political issues into what it does. >> can we not expect football players to stand during "the star-spangled banner"? >> these guys made a tragic mistake. >> the guys that did. >> the guys that kneeled. they're not s.o.b.'s, they are trying to find themselves through tough issues, as police problems. >> the person who led the way to talk about divisive, tough issues was martin luther king. he talked about living up to our constitution, up to our laws, up to aur flag. if colin kaepernick and others

spoken in that vein, they would be tremendously popular. instead they took a knee. they hurt themselves. >> which brings us to the president, he does have a way of bringing up things, not nuance, not subtle, and it's direct. if part of leadership is getting -- stop it, is getting people is being able to get people to talk about what you want them to talk about, he can sure do that. there was something deep and important going on in that debate, right, about america about, patriotism? >> the president's initiative should be 90/10 in his favor and turns it 45 into his favor because he made it too divisive and strident. he's right, you should always stand for the national anthem but the people taking a knee are not -- they're not bad people. >> i keep thinkingly of villanueva. >> under the first amendment you have the right to do the wrong thing. they exercised their right and

did the wrong thing. >> all right, folks, we're going to leave it there. this is "the wise guys." i think you guys are pretty wise. i learned a lot. thank you very much, guys. appreciate you gentlemen. . steve: evening everyone, welcome to "the next revolution". i'm steve hilton, this is the home of positive populism. tomi lahren on the panel as well as florida candidate for congress, we'll talk about the furious debate over "fire and fury" as well as immigration allegations over vote rigging involving debbie wasserman schultz and drill down into the greasy swamp known as big oil. happy holidays to all of you. i was in england visiting family, and guess what the big story is over there? the attempt to overturn the