♪ >> kimberly: i am kimberly guilfoyle with juan williams, jesse watters, dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five" ." a breakthrough on immigration. a big meeting today at the white house between president trump and leaders of congress on both sides of the aisle. the american people got to witness this one, and it was pretty extraordinary. the president allowed cameras to rule for more than 45 minutes as he and lawmakers negotiated how best to reach an immigration deal. he is now open to an agreement coming into phases. first addressing young immigrants and border security with broader issues to be

settled later. >> what about a clean daca bill now with the commitment that we go in to a comprehensive immigration reform procedure. >> i think that's what dick is saying. we are going to do daca and then we will start on phase two. comprehensive. i think a lot of people would like to see that. i think we have to do daca first. >> kimberly: the president thinks legislation should be a bill of love and offered to take any heat for blowback. >> 62% of the trump voters support a pathway to citizenship for the daca kids if you have strong borders. you have created an opportunity here, mr. president, and you need to close the deal. >> if we do this properly, daca, you are not so far away from comprehensive immigration reform and if you want to take it that further step, i will take the

heat. i don't care. i will take the heat. i will take all the heat you want to give me. i will take the heat from the democrats and republicans. my whole life has been heat. i like heat, and a certain way. >> kimberly: there is one thing he's not willing to compromise on. >> any agreement without the wall? >> no. you need it. you need the wall. i'd love not to build a wall but you need the wall. i will tell you the i.c.e. officers and border patrol agencies, they say if you don't have the wall, in certain areas obviously that are protected by nature, if you don't have a wall, you cannot have security. you can't have it. it doesn't work. >> kimberly: did you love it? the wall. >> dana: absolutely fascinating. being in d.c., a lot a meetings are like that behind the scenes and then afterwards both sides go to their own cameras and microphones will they take turns

and they are much more partisan and airplane to their base. what this did was it was like watching a city council meeting on local access television but you are actually in the cabinet room with the president and abide -- and bipartisan lawmakers who didn't know this was going to happen. what i thought was interesting as everyone was there a new -- i knew what they were talking about. one thing dianne feinstein try to do is, she suggests let's do a clean daca bill and the president said that's great and mccarthy said that wouldn't include security. it's a little risky to be openly negotiating like that but i thought it was amazingly refreshing. a lot of the hardliners, when it comes, especially to dreamers and daca have backed off. above the falls, front page story on "usa today" included three quotes on the front page from pretty hard-line immigration group saying if we need to do amnesty for children who were brought here illegally and it's not their fault, congress won't have any problem

from us. the president is really at this opportunity where he could do something. what lindsey graham was saying is that your voters actually want you to do this but we are going to need you to take the heat. the president says he's willing to do so if the right, coming after us and primary us because we are going to vote or something that makes common sense. it's a far cry from where we were on the campaign trail when it comes to immigration but i think if you can get to a good solution, let political bygones be bygones and get it done. >> kimberly: jesse, the wall. >> jesse: looked like a very stable genius out there. i like boardroom trump almost as much as i like rally trump. he used this line, when he said fire and fury. when he goes like this, i think everything under is under control. he is like the martini that gets everybody talking. he drove a lot of momentum in that meeting. i've never seen that kind of

wheeling and dealing among both sides like that ever before. it was an incredible scene to watch. the cornerstone of the deal is chain migration, lottery, the wall, and merit-based. that's what trump wants. the left wants daca, the clean daca vote. trump almost fell for it and then got rescued. we are not going to do the daca deal unless we get border security. the wall will be built. chain migration is ridiculous. what we want to hire someone from h.r., we don't call k.g. and say is your uncle in h.r.? that's not how we do it. i don't know why america doesn't like that. i don't know why we are playing chance with the immigration system. merit-based, he said that's what canada does. i thought the liberals love canada. we want to emulate their health care system. let's emulate their immigration system. i think the democrats are squarely. if they get anything clean, i

don't trust they are going to commit to marriage, lottery, or the wall. that's what you have to do it all at once. trump says he's ready to take the heat. he loves heat. he loves it. >> kimberly: almost as much as the wall. juan, what did you make of this in terms of the objects? giving the american people a front row seat to how these negotiations go and calling out people, like what are they support above. and probably showcasing his intelligence and dealmaking skills. >> juan: genius stability. i think this is something that's been evident. i've written about this. it's pretty evident donald trump has opened the door to a deal, a conference of deal, because he's the one who said march is the deadline for the dreamers to have a deal. and said to the democrats let's make a deal. he's been talking in hard terms, as jesse was suggesting, about the wall, about chain migration. and these things, the wall, it's not going to just happen.

not only are the democrats not in the mood for it because they think it's ridiculous but the dreamers have been attacking nancy pelosi as she was speaking in san francisco, saying we are not a bargaining chip. why are you doing this? they held off in december. now we have it front and center. the key here is that trump wants a deal. he says what we have in common is both sides want a deal. the problem and dealing with donald trump, the great businessman negotiator, is when you come to the nitty-gritty, the fine points, he is lacking. he doesn't know the fine points. he knows we want a deal, so let's make a deal. now, the problem going back to george w. bush in '06. coming forward with obama and a gang of eight, in '16 if i'm right. you get the far right tough show people saying oh, my god. this is amnesty. this is amnesty. if you want to come in the country, get to the back of the library these people should be thrown out. like you are going to throw 12 million people out.

now they say it's a matter of law. they broke the law. they are bad people. the conversation devolved. i think that's what trump is going to have to experience. he says he will take the heat but even for a stable genius, jesse, it's going to be a lot of heat coming from the right. >> jesse: he loves it and he's dealt with at his whole life. >> juan: i am all for it because i think you would be taking heat principally from the freedom caucus and the sean hannity world. >> jesse: and immigration plan with love and he can get away with things of been like that because he talked about taking out all the bad hombres. >> juan: you have 200,000 all salvadorans who were here as a matter of a voucher, some kind of benefit because of the chaos in el salvador and then apply the same standard to the haitia, nicaraguans. he has alienated just about everybody south of the border. and i don't know if now he's willing to alienate his hard

right supporters. >> kimberly: let's not alienate greg on our border. >> greg: i was about to go to another show. i left it when he called it a bill of love. that explosion you heard afterwards was ann coulter's head. donald trump is going to make a deal. he is working the assumption that if you are for trump you will accept any kind of trump therein. i happen to believe he's right. when you saw today, and i don't think you can underplay what you saw today. what you saw today was something no president really has done. this is the most transparent presidency will ever see. i can't say that because we haven't seen what's going to happen next when the robots are running our country but he's a human cannonball. he jumps in, makes the biggest noise, makes the biggest splash. he figures out what everyone can agree to disagree on or agree not to do.

he figures out the deal and makes noise. this was a response to the book, in my opinion. a lot of people are saying that is negative. no, it was a great response. think about this comparison. this is the bigger story here. the media is chasing a mental health fantasy right now. they are chasing a mental health fantasy. meanwhile trump is chasing a mental health reality. today he expanded coverage for veterans for mental health. because of the rise in suicides. this is to lower suicide rates. while the despicable media is believing in some doctor who was basically fallen off the face off the earth as a menace to society. he is out there try to help save lives. go back to the meeting. everybody who watched it was transfixed and it was pretty

funny watching other networks admit, like, this is something good. and i have to say i'm really getting tired of hearing the word dreamers. we are all dreamers, all right? there is no dream or privilege here. just because your specific person doesn't make you a dreamer, everybody in the united states as a dreamer. so calling this specific group dreamer. that's dreamer privilege. >> juan: what are you saying? >> greg: i understand what it is. it's a way to try to separate it so these people are disadvantaged and unique but the rest of us are all bad people. we are all dreamers. it's about everybody who wants strong enforcement of the border is somehow hateful and evil. >> juan: i didn't say that. >> greg: he spent 4 minutes saying that. >> juan: run the tape. most democrats the wall because they see it as a redundant and a

waste of money because we -- >> jesse: that's not why they oppose it. they don't care about the money. >> greg: there is no such thing to democrats is a waste of money. >> juan: i hear the rhetoric. >> greg: that's not rhetoric. >> juan: we have put boots on the ground on the border, drones, electronic sensors. a better system. at the moment, that migration is zero. what you get for the people you don't want to call dreamers, 62% of americans. >> greg: all of us are dreamers. >> juan: kids who came as children. >> dana: the obama administration who gave them the name. it automatically evokes some sympathy. like the clinton global initiative. you always had to say they do good work but... >> greg: you are going to see enhanced border security and a pathway to citizenship together because that's what trump is going to do and right now they shrink who said he was unstable

is shrinking because there are people looking really small. people talking about instability on other networks. >> kimberly: you came in late but you finished strong. way to go, my man. more breaking news of the nation's capital. first look at testimony from the fusion gps founder about the trump dossier. the developing details are out of a spy movie. you don't want to miss it. with the extra third row of seats. they think it's theirs. look at them, they have no idea! it's not theirs. it's mine. mine. mine. mine. the new lexus rx 350l with three rows for seven passengers. are you excited about your baby sister coming? experience space for the unexpected with the rx l, part of the rx family. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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>> juan: this is a fox news alert. bombshell revelation involving the trump dossier. a lawyer for the founder of fusion gps says someone has been killed as a result of the publication. this development is part of a newly released testimony coming from the senate committee interview with fusion officials. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge joins us right now. thanks for being here. what can you tell us? >> this transcript is over 300 pages long. i have one section here that relates to the claims that you are referencing. it really is the kind of transcript you need to read a couple times to get your arms around but in the course of the interview, the lawyer, joshua leedy, makes the claim that after the dossier was made public a year ago this month by buzzfeed, that someone was

killed as a result but he doesn't provide further information as to who that individual was and how it was somehow connected to the publication of the dossier. >> juan: we are hearing that the fbi had a source inside the trump campaign even as the dossier was being prepared and it therefore lead them to think that some of the information about it what's credible. >> glenn simpson, who you see on the screen there, he testified that the british spy christopher steele who put the research together for the dossier went to the fbi in july, late september and early october, just before the presidential election because he felt he was witnessing a crime in progress based on the information he had about these alleged russian contacts. in the transcript, len simpson tells the investigators that steele shared with him that the belief, the source inside the

trump campaign. there has been a fair amount of pushback. sources close to simpson have told nbc news as well as "the washington post" that what he really meant was that the fbi had intelligence from the australians and itch related to the trump campaign aide george papadopoulos who pled guilty to lying to the fbi and that's quite different than what's in the transcript. >> juan: thank you so much. we appreciated. kimberly, what you make of the idea that what we know from this releases that simpson, glenn simpson, head of fusion gps, want to this released because he said republicans have been trying to undermine the investigation into trump and the russians. >> kimberly: i think this is pretty much a bombshell. i don't know if they saw this coming, what the repercussions could be of a situation like this. there's been been criticism where people have said why are we continuing to cover this or

why are we continuing -- wait a second. we should cover it. we should taste on the facts the details, and when you do, you find out information like this. it doesn't look good. it helps the president in terms of what he was saying about the optics of this and what the motivation was and that people were trying to get after him and do some harm to his reputation, his campaign, potential presidency. it is like a spy movie. it's incredible. >> juan: greg, what do you make of it in terms of the idea, they say that according to fbi sources, according to the dossier sources, the kremlin potentially was feared to be able to blackmail trump. >> greg: i think that's what the kremlin does with just about anybody. i can't get worked up about it. if you don't like trump, then steele is a whistle-blower. if you don't have a problem with trump, steele comes off as a crank. i don't feel we've moved anywhere on this. i think the last thing america

wanted was a 312 page transcript on some dirt bigger trying to set the record straight on his dirt digging. thank you, senator feinstein. by the way, they say somebody got killed. there's no follow-up question? who? nobody says who. somebody got killed. why would you say that? that's your way of saying i don't want to give any more information out because i don't want anyone else to die. that's a strategy and that sounds a little weird. who is it? ex-kgb? did they have a heart attack carrying the redacted whatever? i don't know. we don't know. >> juan: was interesting here -- >> kimberly: that's next week. >> juan: was interesting to me as suddenly people are taking the whole dossier a little more seriously, it seems. >> dana: really? i don't know. one thing that's pretty strange

is that you have a special counsel investigation is ongoing. then you have the house and senate both ongoing. it's super confusing. then you have the testimony from fusion gps and then an op-ed in "the new york times" written by those people, simpson and i can't remember his partner. saying they wanted the transcript released but they knew it was going to be in there, that somebody was killed. nobody wants anybody else to get killed. it's impossible for us to just wait for a conclusion from the special prosecutor. i understand that but i think it would behoove us to do so. >> juan: i am saying right now a lot of people, especially on the right, say this dossier has been proven to be scurrilous, to have no value. what you have now is simpson at gps and others, and democrats on the committee led by feinstein say we wanted out because you will see the fbi believes a

great deal of this information. if you look at people like carter page going over there and giving speeches for money. coming back, george papadopoulos connection, information from australia. it sounds like they have reason to believe the dossier. >> jesse: i read all 300 pages, juan. i am an expert on the dossier that i will break it down for you. the headline that jumps out at me is that comey and hillary paid a foreign agent for dirt on trump. this guy was paid by the fbi. the fbi has been denying this. now we have glenn simpson saying this guy was paid. that's a pretty big deal to me. this guy is getting paid by hillary. double billing the fbi and shopping the trump dirt to the mainstream media. now people are dying. >> juan: i think the fbi didn't say they paid him. >> jesse: they said they didn't. now you have him telling the investigators he was paid. someone is dead.

usually in the mainstream media when someone dies, they go and chase it down. i don't think they are going to do any of that. there seems to be little interest about the dossier. i think i'm interested in it because it's salacious. and you keep saying that it was b.s. >> kimberly: at least he's honest. >> jesse: juan has been saying that the dossier, most of it is true. tell me what's true. >> juan: i don't want to get into it because i don't have it. >> jesse: so you don't know. so you don't know! >> juan: i was making the point in the point was made today that the fbi believes this was a credible document. not because they were getting other information to confirm many elements of the dossier. >> jesse: they said trump's lawyer went to the czech republic to have a secret meeting with the russians. his passport, never been to the czech republic. that's blatantly erroneous. start there. >> juan: president trump waiting in today on all of the

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♪ >> dana: jesse says you can't dance to that. when president trump threw his hat in the ring for election 2016, remember the democrats snickered at the idea of a candidate from showbiz. >> he knows how to get attentio attention. he is the classic reality tv character, and at this early stage, it's not surprising he's gotten a lot of attention. >> we can't have a reality tv star that has no concept of public policy to step foot in the oval office. he cannot have the nuclear codes. >> he's a reality tv star. he's very experienced at providing television entertainment. the presidency is not about entertainment.

>> dana: now they seem to be warmed up to the idea of a celebrity with no political experience in the white house following oprah's splash at the golden globes. headlines like these, the prospect of president president oprah winfrey thrills them. >> i would beat oprah. oprah would be a lot of fun. i know her very well. i did one of her last shows. she had donald trump and my family. it was very nice. i like oprah. i don't think she's going to run. >> dana: this is all based on one speech from the golden globes. everyone has been talking about oprah for a while. to the democrats want to go to the far left like a lot of the base wants them to go or do they take a try with a tv star? >> greg: you can see the bumper sticker already. it just says win-frey.

it's less about pocketbook than persuasion. you can't say they've got a billionaire. let's get a billionaire. he's tall. let's get somebody who's tall. it doesn't work that way. it's about persuasion. that's when i learned from this thing. you've got to be fast, funny, memorable, especially when you have people up on stage. donald trump is a historical figure in the sense that he's not a politician which gives the message to a lot of people who didn't live there lives in order to become president or a politician and have lived less careful lives. he's lived a less careful life and is managed to be president. the democrats shouldn't be figuring -- they've got to get beyond identity politics, toxic avenging, and victimhood. hillary thought she could ride the magic carpet of gender into the white house. went right into the wall. >> dana: kimberly, do you

think oprah want to put herself through the scrutiny that comes with running for office. >> kimberly: she might be excited about the talk about it, the hype and excitement. gayle king has said she's not going to do it. not going to 100% rule it out but not really considering it. i wouldn't be surprised if she ran. greg has been talking about it forever, so who knows? interesting, the president's remarks. he said if she ran, he could beat her fact that he liked her, and he was on one of her last shows. big ratings grabber. >> dana: they are telling me i have a minute left. usually the electorate wants the polar opposite. >> jesse: the polar opposite of trump would be a short, thin, hispanic female from rural america. oprah gave a speech and now we are supposed to give her the

codes to the nuclear football? i don't know about that. i don't think ice is fierce oprah. trump tapped into something real. i think oprah tapped into some hollywood vibes. i don't want another campaign run on sexism. and it's going to be on sexism and racism because that's what the media is going to wanted to be about. the difference between the trump as a reality star and oprah as reality stare. oprah just gave away free stuff. trump made people compete to get a job on his show. >> dana: is this because there's a vacuum? no clear leader and the democrats are trying to feel their way? >> juan: yeah, they are trying to feel their way. there was such an amazing response to oprah's beach on sunday at the golden globes that they say she has name recognition. she has money. she has billions. and guess what, people around the country, if we want to talk about women, love oprah winfrey. so on all those scores, she

would be a big plus. even donald trump said oprah winfrey would be his number one choice for a vice presidential candidate, this is going way back. my sense is, you asked a great question, dana. people normally go opposite of the person in office. you think of obama as stable and a genius, they went to trump. and i think if they are looking after comp, the question is are democrats of the trying to fight the last war by picking out someone with great celebrity and great charisma. to me, as an american people, we want someone who is policy experience, political experience, who can make us feel safe in the world. >> dana: talk about polar opposites. roseanne barr is coming back to tv and just broke news about her iconic character. she is a trump supporter. that's next.

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>> are you talking to me? >> jesse: it's been more than 20 years since roseanne went off they are. one of the top sitcoms of the '80's '90s. the connors are coming back for a reboot in march and we are getting worried about a story line. this family will be divided like many others in america right now over politics. roseanne barr broke the news that her iconic character voted for donald trump. she said "it was working class people who elected trump so i felt like it was very real and something that needed to be discussed and especially about polarization in the family and people actually hating other people for the way they voted." says she supports the president.

but she may not agree with everything he says. >> greg: i follow her on twitter. this is no surprise. she is not afraid to voice support for the president. in a comedic world that does not share her beliefs. she is truly a radical in the sense that, when people hear the word radical, they think uniformly left wing but a true radical is someone who zigs when you think they will zag. if you take two data points in her life, you can't predict a third. she's not much of a radical or a rebel. she is an icon. you must drive her crazy because she is not drinking the comedic kool-aid that they jones for, or jim jones four. 4

>> dana: it's a smart business move on behalf of the network. >> jesse: are people going to tune in? >> juan: i didn't tune in the first time. but i think she's on to something when she says she's going to portray a working-class white woman who is a trump supporter. i would be interesting to see how she does that. the fact is, as she pointed out, right wing women tried to boycott the show way back because they said to have an opinionated woman in that role coming from the left, they didn't like it. now we will see how they like it. >> jesse: i think it's going to do well. >> kimberly: i think it is. i think it's refreshing. she has always been a person of candor. she says she wants it to be a reflection of her life and reality and it's interesting because one of her husbands, tom arnold, is a big trump supporter too. >> greg: is he? i did not know that. >> jesse: she needs a trump

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>> greg: a math professor at brooklyn college claims merit-based education, rewards linked to hard work and talent is a tool of evil whiteness. in an article, laurie rubel says colorblindness holds back minorities because it doesn't admit racial strife still exists. according to campus reform, the teacher recommends injecting social justice issues into actual math lessons. i came up with an example. sally is carrying six ski masks to entity for rally. she and quarters -- encounters four evil white male who steals two. how many does she have left? answer: you are racist. even social justice might not be enough. they think effort leads to reward. such conclusions turn a real problem into a bigger one. to deem achievement based reward is a racist that certain students can't handle actual

effort and that becomes part of their identity, the kid who can't do what other kids can. i don't know. i don't think colorblindness are merit-based rewards holds back students. teachers who seek to -- it's no help for students once they hit the real world. especially if you're looking for a raise. facts have no feelings. the more you focus on identity, the less you focus on other things that matter more. that math is so simple even i can do it, and i majored in sleep. dana, meritocracy is racist. >> dana: who knew? >> greg: i did. >> dana: changing the word problem helps the kid figure out the answer to the fact problem, with the fact is, i don't have a problem with that. >> jesse: my thought is the opposite of meritocracy is racist.

hershey grade -- how does she grade her papers? in sports, meritocracy works in sports. get the nba, it is mostly blacks. they are the best scores, defenders. people in wall street, they don't care what color you are as long as you make money for them. they will hire anybody. >> greg: sure people are often discriminated against. >> jesse: in the nba. >> greg: study show tall people often get higher salaries and get jobs faster than short people. >> jesse: i need a raise. >> juan: all of the presidents are tall white man except for obama, and he's a tall black gu guy. i think your concept of

meritocracy differs from mine. i think what they suggested is is that people aren't trying hard enough or don't have the ability to succeed and of course mirrored in our country, especially in education, acts, s.a.t.s. an additional screen to keep newcomers out of the elites. >> greg: that was what the s.a.t. was far? >> juan: initially. here's the thing. >> greg: i've never heard that. >> juan: the impact is enough to make you crazy. you hear from black kids it's acting white if you are very aggressive, diligent student. it makes me nuts. at the same time, you don't want people making the assumption that this kid is having trouble and maybe the kid is having difficulties at home, school, whatever, and can't do it. you want both sides to repeat what president bush said which is that would be the bigotry of low expectations. and we shouldn't leave any children behind. >> greg: what say you,

kimberly. you have a child. see five i do, and he is good at math. i find math hard. i was outstanding although i have to to algebra. indecent, then forget the rest of it. >> juan: oftentimes they discriminate against women. >> kimberly: fine. it's worked out fantastically. sometimes you're better at certain things. you want to make it so people can understand. the whole point is to learn and put it in a way that's easy to understand and maybe people are dyslexic or have learning problems. i get it but i'm not going to go back and try to retake the s.a.t. >> jesse: you want to have uniform standards for everybody, or else you can't judge. >> kimberly: my math on the trump support. my math was bad.

not married to roseanne barr but is a republican. tom arnold. remember that, "married with children?" >> jesse: my favorite show. >> kimberly: it was the beginning of watters' world. >> greg: "one more thing" is up next.

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>> kimberly: it's time for "one more thing." >> jesse: we have been searching long and far for a dog for greg gutfeld and i think we found one. it tells you to put the wind down. you try to take a sip of wine, it takes its paw and says you've had enough. you need a dog like that. >> greg: no longer welcome. >> jesse: you've had enough. >> kimberly: you know how funny that would be. >> greg: if you gave me a dog and traded beforehand to keep me from doing all kinds of things. >> dana: okay. the thai prime minister may

dislike the press more than president trump or any world leader. he was doing a press conference and he left a cardboard cutout of himself to deal with reporters. he basically said if you want to ask questions, ask this guy. a lot of reporters took it as a joke and took selfies with it. i'm a day when the committee to protect journalism announced they are pressed for oppressors award. as a response to trump's fake news awards. president trump was named the winner, overall achievement in undermining global press freedom. also named the runner-up in the most thin-skinned category, losing to the turkish president. >> thank you very much. i hope we gave you enough material. this should cover you for two weeks. >> dana: he always seems to get the last word. >> kimberly: he is good at that. today's a very special day,

having worked for many years as a prosecutor in los angeles and san francisco. i worked hand-in-hand with some of the finest men and women in law enforcement. today is national law enforcement appreciation day and it's a day when we honor and appreciate the great people who put their uniforms on every day to protect and serve and keep our communities and children safe. there are several ways, we have suggestions for you. in case you want to show some appreciation. where blue clothing. send a card to support your local police department. participate in project blue light. those are a few ways. you can do what i do. they seem to like a hug and kiss here and there. >> greg: their wives don't. >> kimberly: the men and the women. hug them. that was part of the segment.

>> juan: just before christmas there was a very touching story out of dallas that i wanted to mention. the middle school decided to have a father-son event, the first of its kind in the school and the school is predominantly made up of low income and minority students. they ran into a hurdle. they were concerned many of the young men did not have father figures in their lives to bring to the event. so they put out a call to dallas area meant a stand-in for the missing dads. they expected a dozen or so to respond. 600 men showed up. here are photos of this amazing event. you can see them talking with the young men but also touching things like here's how you tie a tie and pledging they will be mentors to these young men. my heart goes out to those men in dallas. so needed, so necessary, so

wonderful. >> greg: now for something not nice, me. i have an article on foxnews.com back/opinion and it's called "how to go to college again." it's about how you don't need to enroll in any school. just go on the web and listen to podcasts because podcasts tell you more in the week then you can learn in the year. i talked about my favorite podcast, so check it out. i have one tomorrow. i am not done yet. 64% more penguin. people asked me, how do you weigh a penguin? you entice it with a fish to get it on the scale. you entice it with fish. >> kimberly: penguin entrapment. >> greg: penguins are weighed for a reason because they are very self-conscious about their weight. >> kimberly: is that the scale

you use? >> dana: entice him with bacon or red wine. >> greg: that's how i get them into bed. >> kimberly: ew! >> bret: how do i do this transition? i am working on it every day. in a rare on camera negotiation with members of congress, president trump tried to strike a deal. north korea announces a deal to be in the winter olympics in south korea, and what is the deal with u.s. businesses? we will get an inside look plus no deal, former google employee who says he was fired because he is a conservative white male. he takes the tech firm to court. this is "special report" ." good evening. welcome to washington. i am bret bear. he is famous for the art of