can use their private property. the party will start now for richard fowler's birthday. in the meantime, most-watched, most trusted, most grateful you spent the evening with us. good night from washington. i'm shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." president trump ran for office, you'll remember, promising to fix washington, make good deals, and do a better job than the incompetent lawmakers he said were wrecking the country. he was right, they were wrecking the country. today in a remarkable twist the president held a televised meeting with the very swamp creatures he wants denounced. he told them he trusted them to craft immigration policy without his input then he said he would be willing to accept any deal they produced, even a bad one. >> when this group comes back, hopefully with an agreement, this group and others from the senate, from the house, comes back with

an agreement, i'm signing it. i mean, i will be signing it. i'm not going to say oh, gee, i want this or i want that. i will be signing it becausean i have a lot of confidence in the people in this room that you will come up with something really good. >> tucker: at one point the president agreed with democratic senator dianne feinstein of california that it would be wise to handle the question of daca separately before negotiating any meaningful reform of our broken and dysfunctional immigration system. >> i don't know how you would feel about this, but i would like to ask the question. what about a clean daca bill now with a commitment that we go in to a comprehensive immigration reform procedure like we did back, i rememberli when kennedy was here, it was really a major, major effort and it was great disappointment that it went nowhere. >> i remember that. >> i have no problem. i think that's basically what dick is saying. we are going to come up with daca. we are going to do daca and start immediately on phase ii, which would be

comprehensive. >> would you be agreeable to that? >> yeah, i would like.e. >> tucker: key allies to the president on immigration told us this afternoon they were shocked by what they saw in that meeting. it was a completely different donald trump from the one we watched on the campaign trail just two years ago. how different? let's put it this way. trump's rival from the 2016 race, jeb bush, who was on the far left of republican sentiment on immigration questions, tweeted these words in response to the meeting. "encouraged the president is seeking bipartisan solutions to our immigration challenges. s in 2016, donald trump ran on the premise that america's borders ought to be real. that the repeated amnesties of the past have betrayed voters and that this country deserves an immigrationt policy that looks out for american interests, rather than those of foreign countries. almost nobody in washington agreed with him at the time,n almost nobody in washington agrees with him now. congress is full of people from both parties who believe that the point of

our immigration policy is to provide cheap labor to their donors and to atone for america's imaginary sins against the world. they couldn't care less about immigration's effect on you or your family. yet these are the same people the president now says he trusts to write the immigration bills, the one he will sign no matter what it says.s. so what was the point of running for president? you will remember the president also ran on his skills as a negotiator and he clearly has skills as a negotiator. where were they today? the president signaled he would be happy to legalize hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants now and that at some point in the future, tackle all that other stuff, like making surere they can't bring millions of their relatives from the third world alongg with them. that's not much of a negotiation. amnesty for daca recipients is the only leverage the white house has. once the president agrees to let them jump to the head of the line, ahead of millions of other people hoping to come here legally, the negotiation is over. at that point, why would democrats agree to anything?

ending chain migration, theo diversity lottery, supporting a merit based system that might actually help america? no chance. the democrats' goal is to import more democratic voters and by any means necessary. once they retake the congress and the presidency, and if trump betrays his base on immigration -- that will definitely happen -- it is over.t say goodbye to borders. they are done. keep in mind that the top democrat in the house recently thanked illegal aliens for sneaking into this country.. that's how democrats feell and they are not pretending anymore. being a trump voter isn't always easy, it's like rooting for the underdog in baseball. the old chicago cubs. on one level there is pride,e, the pride that comes from doing something that p fashionable people consider insane. that's a good feeling.eo but there is also some disappointment along the way and honestly there is some embarrassment. you silently bear it because you know when they finally win the world series it will be worth everything you went through. every sarcastic dig from your brother-in-law at

thanksgiving will seem small by comparison. in the trump presidency, the world series is this immigration bill. it's the big payoff. the whole point of the exercise. and they are not allowed to blow it. jorge ramos is an anchor at univision news and fusion television. jorge, thank you for coming on. >> i never imagined i would be on fox news listening to you criticizing president trump on immigration. thanks for inviting me. >> tucker: it's a matter of the principle and this is the principle which is that a country has a right tot determine who enters it and who gets citizenship, who votes, who chooses thete government. that's what a country is and i can't imagine how you could publicly disagree with that and yet, you seem to. >> what i also agree, tucker is, that we have an immigration problem. i think we all agree with that. there are 11 million people who are here illegally and they're here because of us. they are harvesting the food that we eat. they are building our homes.

they are taking care of our kids and we have to find a solution and president trump, surprisingly, i don't trust him, i don't believe him, but surprisingly in this meeting, he said he wants comprehensive immigration reform. you and i remember, this is the year 2000, that whenever we0 say comprehensive immigration reform that means legalizing 11 million people in this country. if the president wants to do that, i'm all for it however, i'm not sure that tomorrow president trump is going to come with a tweet or with an interview and change again. >> tucker: let me stop and challenge your premise, which is deeply disingenuous.>> it's somehow our fault corporately, all of our fault that 11 million peopleur snuck into the country. >> they are here because of us. >> tucker: that's not true. it's not because of me or most people i know. it's because a small number of employers wanted to pay less for labor and the democratic party wanted new voters. f i didn't do that and there is no reason i should have to live under a government controlled by people who came here illegally. why should i? >> they are here because of you and me. it's simply a matter of supply and demand. they are here simply because

there are jobs for them and also we have to admitt because in latin america they make maybe $5 a day. they can make that exact amount of here in a few hours. we are responsible for them. >> tucker: we are responsible for them,nt because we are successful country? >> you and i are responsible for them. >> tucker: because we have taken the time to build a functioning country, a clean, safe country with working justice system and a thriving economy, then we are somehow morally required to let anybody who wants to come here come, and we can't complain about it? how does that work exactly? >> no. because every time you go to a hotel, every time you go to a restaurant, they are helping you. they are working for us. >> tucker: no. they are not working for me. they are working for companies that wants to pay less.th that's why they hire them and owners of those companies make a lot of money and we get to pay higher taxes in order toe support them living here. >> just for a while, but for instance, the national academy of sciences recently

conducted a study and they concluded that all immigrants in this country, they contribute more than $2 billion every single year, this is an immigration surplus. and not only that -- >> tucker: that's an absurd number. >> you can laugh about that. >> tucker: i'm laughing because i know a lot about the subject and that's a fake number. >> those are the facts. should i insultsc you or the national academy of scientists but i'm sorry i believe the national academy of scientists on the economy.e >> tucker: he win the debate. rather than throw around fake numbers, i would rather get to the principle though you make a fair point which is supply and demand w is driving this. there are people who want to hire illegally for sure. it's not me, but some employers do. why should american citizens, who by and large are not responsible for illegal immigration, have to live in a country where people whoho sneak in illegally get to vote and determine who runs their government? i don't understand,. no other country would allow that. >> we all benefit from them and then, of course, on comprehensive immigration reform, if it's true what president trump is proposing

and i don't think he is telling the truth or that he even understands what's happening here, and then they might have the opportunity eventually in decades from now to vote or not. that's not the issue at this point. we are not even discussing comprehensive immigration reform. >> tucker: it's an issue for me, an american citizen, i don't want to be governed by people who snuck into the h country. let me ask you this. if you come here illegally you are demanding people come here illegally have the right to be here legally and get citizenship. why should those people be allowed to bring their relatives from a foreign country? where does that right come from? >> chain migration. now everybody is using the term chain migration. >> tucker: the majority of immigration is chain migration. it's not a small thing. >> actually it's called family reunification. >> tucker: call f it whatever you want, it's the same thing. >> do you enjoy spending time with your family, tucker? >> tucker: [laughs] this is too

serious a matter who participate in theoretical debates. let me ask you, why shouldig you sneak in this country get a right to bring in your relatives? how does that work? >> immigrants do too. they do enjoy spending time with their families.d. since 1965, inspired by jfk, before he died. since 1965, the policy thatio we have here in the united states favors family reunification and bring in those who have special talents to this country.hi >> tucker: you but you are missing it, no one is arguing by the way that daca recipients have special talents. more daca recipients -- >> they were too young for that. >> tucker: that's irrelevant here. i know it's the policy. why should it continue to be the policy? that's the question. why is it a wise policy? >> because i think it's a wise policy. it has worked well for this country. just see the number of ceos, immigrants, who are leading major companies in this country. i think when president trump uses the term "chain migration," those are code words.

is he really saying, you know, i don't wantsi more immigrants from asia or latin america coming from this country, i want to stop that and i want to make it -- those are the words that i take from president trump. >> tucker: what you are doing, rather than engage in an adult argument, using reason, you are accusing people you disagree with of bigotry, which is a little much, actually, considering you are demanding that americans who were born here, let in people who snuck in illegally and all their family and if they say anything about it, they are racist. >> chain migration. >> tucker: i get the game actually and i'm sick of it. >> or family reunification. >> tucker: it doesn't matter. the principal is the theme. >> that's the law of the land. >> tucker: how would you feel if the united states exported the poorest 10% of its population to mexico, exported the poorest 10% of its population to mexico, completely changed the mix of mexico, the politics of mexico, and undercut the wages of mexican citizens, and if anyone complained about it, say you are just a racist. would you think that was kind of a stick-up? >> i understand what's happening in mexico and it's

terrible what's happening in mexico. i cannot defend and i do not defend what's happening in mexico.no absolutely not.fe was that your question? >> tucker: that's not the question but we are out of time sadly, but i know we will meet again. jorge, thank you for joining us.ut k >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: well, during today's televised immigration talks, senator lindsey graham joked about how the final daca deal will likely infuriate those opposed to amnesty, including people on this channel. >> i'm lindsey amnesty or lindsey gomez every name has been assigned to me. o i'm still standing. the people of south carolina want a result.ne how could i get elected? i have been for a pathway to citizenship for 11 million people. i have no animosity against them. i don't want crooks or bad hombres. i want merit based immigration system to make sure we can succeed in the 21st century. i'm willing to be more than fair to the 11 million. i just don't want to do this every 20 2 years. we made a decision not to do m it comprehensively. i think that's a smart

decision but hard decision. we passed three comprehensive bills out of the senate with over 65 votes that go to the house and die and i'm not being disparaging to my house colleagues, this is tough politics if you are a republican house turning on the radio. to my democratic friends, thanks for coming, the resist movement hates this guy. they don't want him to be successful at all. you turn on fox news and i can hear the drum beat coming. right wing radio and tv talk show hosts are going to beat the crap out of us because it's going to be amnesty all over again.p >> tucker: senator graham instantly, instantly turned down our request to come on tonight and explain himself. so did virtually every republican we reached out to. congressman rodney davis of new jersey, though, rather of illinois, said yes and we are grateful that he did. he joins us tonight. congressman, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me on, tucker. >> tucker: so i understand the concern about daca recipients, some of whom, you know, didn't choose to come here and they're stuck o here and it's a sticky situation, i get it. but if you are creating a hierarchy of concerns, why is

this a more pressing matterr than say the opioid crisisor or the rise in healthcare or education costs for american citizens?ns >> well, thank you, tucker. i actually think those two issues are somewhat right related. the president and many of us have said we would like to get a daca fix. we want to make sure that the president continues to f have the opportunity to show leadership like he has on such a very difficult issue. and we can also implement some republican immigration reforms. border security measures. you mentioned the opioid crisis. you talk to any law enforcement official in my district in central illinois, they will tell you the scourge of heroin and ice coming through our southern border, we need some physical structures down there. t let's let the border patrol decide where they go. >> tucker: for sure. that sounds sensible. but the core of this, the centerpiece, the debatef really is over giving amnesty to dacaer recipients. how does that help your citizens? how does that help your voters? it wouldn't seem to help any of them.

>> first off, let's take a step back. let seems what comes of this meeting. obviously, again, i thought the president showed greatnt leadership on a very difficult issue that he is willing to take a stand on. let's actually see what the legislative language looks a like. let's see if there is any bipartisan agreement. at the end of the day, let's try and solve a problem that the president asked us to solve when he got rid of an unconstitutionall executive action. >> tucker: i get it. it's a tough place and it was a trap laid by the previous administration and republicans, of course, walked right into it, if youd take three steps backk it sounds weird that we're going to shut down the government over legalizing illegal aliens when 6 million died of drug ods and noen affordable college bad things. concern of illegal aliens put top top of the list. can you see why bewildered

by. >> only ones talking about shutting down the government is the democrats. the republicans want common sense solution that includes border security measures. let's see if they still want and negotiate a part of measure that includes hymns physical structures. let's see what comes of this meeting before we even see the legislation that comes out and see the end result of that. >> tucker: but if republicans accept a dealout. that doesn't include universal everify, that doesn't end chain migration and the diversity lottery and build a wall, why would anybody ever vote republican again? honestly? >> well, i think, again, this is our opportunity, if you have ideas, that are, republican immigration reforms, the president clearly said, now's the time to put those ideas on the table. these are issues that we i have been talking about in our conference for years. as a matter of fact, you know, most of the illegal immigration in this country doesn't even come through our southern border.io it comes through our airports.

people overstaying their visas here illegally and we don't have any biometric capability to be able tora track them and figure out where they have gone. >> tucker: would you support a deal that doesn't end chain migration for daca recipients? >> again, let's see what the bill looks like because i think these are some of the priorities that the president has clearly laid out in the past and in believe will clearly lay out with republican support as we look ahead to the next few days. >> tucker: yeah. this is making me nervous.w congressman, thanks a lot for coming on. i appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker.. >> tucker: two fired google employees just sued that company accusing it of systemic bias against conservatives, white employees, and men. they have a lot of evidence to show that that's real. one of them drains us next. ♪ >> tech: at safelite autoglass

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♪ >> tucker: well, a few months ago james damore learned the hard way what happens when you question the groupthink of silicon valley.wh while working at google, the world's most powerful company, damore privately circulated a paper questioning his employer's diversity policies. he didn't attack anyone, he just questioned the internal logic of what he was being told. for that, the company vilified him and his character and then fired him. h now, damore and another ex-google employee are suing that company they are suing google of systemic bias against white employees, men, and conservatives. their 161-page lawsuit exposes a remarkable and terrifying climate at google. a place where biased, hateful, and even violent political rhetoric is totally acceptable, just as long as it's directed against the right targets. the suit contains documents

that shows googlers openly maintain politically motivated employee blacklists. here is one. in 2015 google manager paul cowen wrote the following on google's internal networks for all employees to see: the blacklists were real and not just internal. they also applied to conservative figures from outside the company. blogger curtis yarvin, known online, once visited google to have lunch with an employee. according to the suit his arrival triggered a silent alarm at google. security arrived to escort him off campus. his mere presence was considered unacceptable. according to the lawsuit, google employees were awarded with bonuses by the company for publicly

denouncing damore's memo. in april of 2017, google manager chris besell advised employees if they spoke at conferences, they should do so only while demanding that white males from other companies be kicked off panels in favor of women or nonwhite employees. "you will feel pretty damn smug about doing it" besell said. google h.r. said besell's attacks on the basis of race and gender somehow broke no company rules. that's just scratching the surface of what damore has brought to light. the suit has more than 100 examples of employees and managers saying conservatives or trump supporters ought to be fired defending political violence, implementing quoata systems to discriminate against white people and men to the benefit of other favored groups. it's intent is appalling. don't kid yourself, it's not just happening at google. last night, dennis findlay who was an editor at the "burlington free press' was fired by the media giant gannett because he dared to question a proposal that would add a third gender option to drivers license in

vermont. now, if you are conservative, it might be difficult to get your head around what is happening in this country. so much has changed. but here's the bottom line.. the federal government is no longer the main threat tong t your privacy and to your freedoms. you have grown up thinking that, it's no longer true. big corporations are the main threat to your freedom and your privacy. the government doesn't own your private emails.t google does. federal employees can't be fired for their political views, private sector employees are all the time. the trump administration can't end your ability to publicly communicate your ideas. twitter and facebook can do that. and they do do it all the time. d the orwellian future is increasingly the orwellian present. and tech barrons are becoming our new czars. opposition to opposition to corporate power have been thoroughly co-opted. they are getting rich from it.tie james damore has seen it all from the inside firsthand. he joins us now with his lawyer harmeet dhillon.

welcome to you both. >> happy to be here. >> tucker: so, james, in reading these documents, what is so striking is not that you just got fired for expressing your views, and i want to restate having read thet piece that got you fired, you weren't attacking anybody, you were raising questions. you got fired for that google seemed to feel the need to vilify you after you got fired, to discredit you to attack your character, and tone courage others to do the same.e that seems stalinist, why did they feel the need to do that, do you think? >> because i attacked their orthodoxy. they really need to send a message to other employees that no, you can't do this, you can't question our policies. >> tucker: yeah. they certainly did. paying bonuses to people who denounced you like a reeducation system. so harmid, in this complaint you have example aftereroo example of google targeting people on the basis of their race and their sex. my impression was that was illegal. is it?

>> it is illegal. it's illegal under federal law.ll it's illegal under california law. what a lot of lawyers around the country don't understand, under california law, we have a unique labor code provision that makes it illegal to discriminate against somebody on the basis of their politicalns activities or theirsi political views. so that is among the claims in our lawsuit. and that can actually affectct and has affected women at google. to be clear our, lawsuit actually includes women as well, if they have been discriminated on the basis of any of these protected characteristics. >> tucker: google is the most powerful company in the world, the most famous company in the world and they are doing this openly. i mean, on internal servers. they don't seem to have worried they are going to get in trouble for violating a pretty basic law. why?00 >> well, so they are 700 billion-dollar plus company. they are ubiquitous. they have virtual monopoly power over search engines and they have been getting away with it for a long time. you and i and other conservatives have been alarmed about what we read

about google being able to scan gmail and keep all of your data. that's what is really troubling about this. they know everything about you and on other hand they are using that information against you. we have seen them do this in their commercial practices as well. the demonetizing should viewpoints they don't believe in on youtube and other places. i am hearing from peoplele inside the company and people who have left the company that their artificial intelligence programs for search engines similarly are applying political biases and filters.ca you and i wouldn't know it and eventually we will find they our controlling what people think. obviously inside the company they are getting away with punishing people and controlling what people think. t and you know, people don't understand on silicon valley they have these campuses and you come to the campus in the morning. they take care of your dry cleaning, all of your meals,s, entertainment, everything. and so people are in this little bubble. it's like the brave new world silicon valley. >> tucker: that's fine. but the fact that they are controlling our political dialogue and the way people

experience reality and congress sits there passively as if they have no authority is contemptible. so, james, i would encourage, by the way, our viewers to go online and read what you wrote because it's hardly radical, it's sensible and smart. do you think that being at odds with google is going to affect your futurere employment prospects? >> yes. definitely. and many employees have made it clear that they're spreading the message about not only me but anyone that they have discovered that has certain viewpoints to black ball them out of careers within silicon valley. >> tucker: so why is that not terrifying? >> oh, i think it is. >> for every james damore who got fired, tucker, there are many people inside the company. who we represent who are afraid to raise their hand and say this is happening tons me. the threat is not just blacklists within google but j blacklist within the entire tech community throughout the united states. that's how scary this is.. >> tucker: if you are a

conservative and you grew up thinking that the federal bureaucracy was the greatest threat to you, it takes a while to realize, no, it's not, actually, it's google and they have more power. god speed to you both. we really wish you well and we will be following this case. thanks for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> thank you. >> tucker: a top senate democrat just released a transcript of a closed door testimony given by the founder of fusion gps. what does it reveal? it's interesting. also, there is breaking news in this story, the president's lawyer just filed a lawsuit pertaining to it. we have got all of that coming up. ♪ i go with anoro. ♪go your own way copd tries to say, "go this way." i say, "i'll go my own way" with anoro. ♪go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators, that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night.

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>> tucker: this is a fox news alert. president trump's attorney michael cohen has filed ay defamation suit against buzzfeed, the blog, for unverified allegations against trump last year. cohen told fox i filed a complaint buzz feed and ben smith for the lie-filled dossier. we will continue to follow those details. speaking of the dossier,mp glenn simpson testified to congress back in august. until now his remarks had remained secret. today dianne feinstein, the democrat of california, abruptly released a transcript of simpson's remarks.rk it raises new questions about the dossier. during his testimony, simpson said the fbi found the dossier believable because it had a source inside the trump campaign who provided corroborating information. simpson also said that

somebody or his lawyer said somebody had been murdered due to the release of thesime l dossier. congressman eric swalwell m is a democrat representing california and he joins us tonight.rn thanks for coming on. >> i sit here in californiaom tonight and i hope my parents take care of you. probably the only other conservatives in the area. >> tucker: having dinner with them after the show. >> good. >> tucker: speaking of, i want to give credit where it's due, good for dianne feinstein for releasing this. i think the public hasa a right to know and i'm glad she did. there are a lot ofoo bombshell -- i looked at it i don't think there are a lot of bombshells but there is one point that really sticks out. i'm wondering what you make of it. in his testimony, steele says, rather simpson says, that steele, who is the agent he hired on behalf of the o hillary campaign, spoke to the fbi, which told him that they had a source within the trump campaign and that that source corroborated theret was a relation between russia and the trump campaign.. so here you have in the middle of a presidential campaign, september 2016, the obama fbi giving dirt on

the trump campaign to hillary clinton's opposition researcher. i know you are a partisan democrat. dolls that bother you atre all?at >> well, no. it was -- before it was the obama fbi, it was the bush fbi. these are career agents who serve -- >> tucker: no, this was the -- hold on, this was the fbi controlled by the obama administration. >> not controlled. they are independent. >> tucker: what do you makesi of that the obama fbi tellshe hillary clinton's opposition researcher in the middle of a presidential campaign, in which she is running, that her opponent's campaign has connections to russia? i mean, how is that allowed in america? >> first off, i will tell you, tucker, law enforcement folks are quite offended by these attacks calling it, you know, the obama fbi. they -- >> tucker: it's not an attack, it's a reality. >> they don't care about politics..e they have opinions. that doesn't drive their investigation. >> tucker: they may not. some of them do, we know from strzok's texts to his girlfriend, some care politics and openly partisan.

some don't. i agree. i am not attacking the whole fbi. i am saying, we have, in the release of this transcript, evidence, and i think we both agree it's real, that the fbi told hillary clinton's opposition research or something negative about her opponent. that is not supposed to happen, is it? >> well, you know, the fbi usually keeps information on close hold. christopher steele was, i think the dossier lays out, was a pretty credible investigator for fusion gps. i don't know what w was exchanged between christopher steele and the fbi. i think we should know, tucker. those are fair questions. what i think is more important. >> tucker: wait a second. steele was working for fusion -- i mean, correct me if i am misstating. steele was working for fusion gps, which was on retainer to the hillary campaign to dig up dirt on donald trump. campaigns do that, both sides do it. i get it. he is in effect working as an opo researcher for hillary clinton's campaign and the fbi is revealing sources and methods to him in the middle of a presidential campaign. that's what we stop the presses and say, what? >> i think we stop the

presses when christopher steele stumbles upon evidence that donald trump has a financial relationship with russia. that, to me, is more concerning. >> tucker: maybe. i mean, i'm sure -- i don't know, the guy has been in business a long time.ow i mean, look, i have no idea. about his financial relationships with various russians. i mean, i don't know, i'm agnostic on it. >> the dossier has been proved true. >> tucker: i'm just saying, i know what it looks like when politics subverts criminal justice and that starts to happen when criminall investigators who have vast federal authority like the fbi start talking to the opo researchers for political campaigns in the middle of a presidential year. that is absolutely over the top.ca >> what did bob mueller do? y he could have kept them and throw them off the investigation. he threw them off. c i don't know what else you would want him to do. he is gone. >> tucker: we don't know that actually. it sounds like entirely possible that the fbi paid money to fusion gps. we don't know the answer to that, do we? that's an open question.

it's been alleged and they haven't really answered the question. aren't you anxious to know? >> let's ask it, but let's also ask the questions around what's alleged in the dossier.ns there's a whole mountain of evidence that has beenat accumulated that is outside of the dossier. so all of the arrows continue to point to a personal, political, and financial relationship that theld trump had with russians, and whether it amounted to a crime or not is bob mueller's job. i think we should do all we can to make sure this doesn't happen again in the next election.r >> tucker: i hope we can keep civil liberties intact along the way. >> absolutely. >> tucker: you agree with me. congressman, thank you very much. >> of course. thanks for having me. >> tucker: it's obvious by now that hollywood attorney lisa bloom is a total fraud, and epic fraud on a global scale. if she also a boldfaced liar? that's a rhetorical question. our next guest has evidence of that, so stay tuned. ♪ julie is living with metastatic breast cancer which is breast

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last few months she is a bully and fake feminist. our next guest said the former harvey weinstein defender lied rick to her face. rachel stockman joined us tonight. rachel, you had experience thatt confirms what a lot of us suspected for a long time. what happened? >> i went into this interview a couple of weeks back with a very open mind. what ended up happening, whenes she was representing harvey weinstein, she told me to my face that she would do nothing to undermine those alleged victims of harvey weinstein. come to find out, according to several reports that i can imagine the last few weeks, that she did work along with harvey weinstein to undermine some of these victims. i found that a little troubling =speeonett more than a little troubling. in fact, according to the transcript that i saw of your interview with her, she bragged, basically, and said, i'm bringing a feminist passed to this whole thing.

a lot of people accused of sexual harassment tried to discredit the accusers but i will make sure harvey weinstein doesn't do that. >> exactly. she was going to pull out a different playbook, start a new kind of way of handling these cases. i thought, wow, that is great, let's try to stop the problem at the root. apparently, if we believe are parts that came out in "the new york times" and other very established publications, that is not what happened. >> tucker: what did she do instead? >> apparently, she undermined the victims. she tried to leak information to -- about one of the victims, rose mcgowan, to the press. she apparently tried to pass around unfavorable photos. again,eo this is coming from someone who hails themselves as a feminist attorney. before this, i do want to say, we had a very good working personal relationship. i respected what she had done. but this was i think a big mistake and that she represented harvey weinstein. >> tucker: right. if she had come out and said,

look, i'm an attorney, i will brutalize the innocent for pay, i will discredit people and to lie about them if you pay me enough, there is a certain kind of honesty about that. i guess why i am called by lisa bloom is that she poses as thisn you. she's a good person and you're not. she is representing all women. that seems false to me. >> i'm not going to cast aside everything she has done in her decade-long career. >> tucker: i will. >>ke if you will come a talker. she has done some very good things for people that are in precarious situations, that have been victims of sexual assault and sexual harassment. some of the recent revelations that haveua come out involving e trump accusers and harvey weinstein don't look favorable to her. they really raise questions. >> tucker: they look cynical and greedy to me. how many times does she have to be exposed or for the rest of us can say, you know what, i want to takemo another lecture from ? >> i think her credibility has

been hurt. as you see the me too movement, all these women coming forward, you don't see her in the forefront. i think that a lot of victims perhaps aren't turning to her anymore because of this. >> tucker: there is a silver lining. rachel, thank you for that. i appreciate it. >> absolutely.uc >> tucker: what are the political implications of today's televised negotiation on immigration? brit hume joints this is just a minute with the answers. ♪ [phone ringing]

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♪ >> tucker: quite a moment at the white house today. the president struck a surprisingly moderate tone on to, whilen, or seemed some republicans reminded him of

the stakes involved. >> i chain migration is so insidious. it is a fundamental flaw in the immigration policy of the united states. any conversation about daca is being, held without consideration, i agree with border security, but any conversation will not go anywhere in the u.s. senate. >> tucker: brit hume is fox news'ea senior political analyst and for good reason. he joins us to assess today's events. thanks for coming on. >> i'm the oldest guy, right? [laughter] some people would say senior moment political analyst. i appreciate that. it looked today as of the president himself had had a senior moment when dianne feinstein, as you reported earlier, said that she was hoping that there could be a clean bill on daca, that is to say the bill to let the dreamers who are here illegally stay in the country. the president said that is what he wanted, too. the conversation proceeded along those lines, whereupon it became

clear to the republicans sitting around the table that is not what mr. trump understood by a t clean bill. kevin mccarthy, the house majority leader, interjected and said i don't think you understand what that means. she said, i don't mean that, i mean daca with additional security measures, which is to say funding for the wall, an end to chain migration, and he added, andsy enter the lottery system, and that is what you heard sonny perdue pickup bomb and the sound s bite you just played. by the time all was said than done on this, the president had demonstrated a well-known term, that is to say, a clean bill. he did not change his position on on the issue. >> tucker: my sense, correct me if you think i am wrong, the republican voters are watching their leaders more carefully than they had in years past because republican voters in general arch of the right of republican members on immigration.

>> i think that is true of some republican members and certainly a large number of republican voters and these are precisely of course the voters who supported president trump with his hard stance on immigration. he suggested not only do we need to stop illegal immigration, but we need to get control of illegal immigration as well. that is where he came out on this today, as well. what is interesting about theut response to this session today, and watch the president did something you rarely see a president do, to sit there for an hour negotiating withad congressional leaders of both parties, with the cameras rolling, you don't see that very often. i don't think it is a kind of thing that would square very well with a description of president trump in this most recent book about there has been such a sensation, portraying him as a total, ignorant dons with no grasp of policy, who never read or listens to briefing. he seemed pretty well briefed and he spoke with some fluency. in general, i thought, most people, most unbiased people

looking at that would give him a pretty high mark on it. >> tucker: do you think it'sre possible that his private posture will be different on tho issues, on the specifics of bordera, enforcement, chain migration, then we saw today in the public meeting? >> i think by the time the public meeting was over, his posture was the same as what we heard him sayay before, which is he is willing to do daca, wants to do daca, wants to let the dreamers stay here. he would like to do that. but he will insist on getting some security measures as part of the legislation to do that. the question becomes, of course, how much of the three things that he is asked for, border wall money, and to chain migration, and an end to the lottery system, will he be able to get? when it gets down to it, would he reject a bill that didn't have much of what he wanted as he is seeking? i don't think we know the answer to that. that at least is a position that he staked out. >> tucker: interesting. i think the voters will be

watching carefully. brit, thanks a lot for that. >> you bet, tucker. >> tucker: we'll be right back. ♪ people keep asking me if i miss the mayhem?stuff, does waiting around trying to protect your house from a lighting strike give me the same rush as being golfball-sized hail? of course not. but if you can stick to your new year's resolution, then i can stick to mine and be the best road flare i can... what? you couldn't even last two weeks? in that case, consider mayhem officially back.

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dvr it if you know what that means. above all, stay tuned for sean hannity come alive from new york city next. we'll see you tomorrow. >> sean: lying, pomposity, what is the other one? >> tucker: t smugness and groupthink, sean! >> sean:ea>> great show, as always. welcome to "hannity." president trump is holding firm tonight. we have new information about the key promise to build the wall in terms of the southern border, and bipartisan negotiation with law markers today. it was a fascinating and historic on camera debate. the president put his foot foot down as it relates to securing the border before anything is d. after years of broken promises, not getting the job done for members of congress, it's about time. build the wall. meanwhile, obstructionist democrats are showing that they are hypocrites, political opportunists, and total flip-flop for us. we have the tape, video evidence, it will cover that in much more. we are glad you're with us. tonight's breakinew