>> julie: the republicans are not happy. the president is not happy and is he tweeting about it anyway, the drama continues in washington and so does outnumbered. >> jon: more on that ahead. outnumbered starts right now. >> sandra: fire here. fox news alert, president trump is meeting with his cabinet right now at the white house. and we are expecting some video out of that meeting this hour. this as the political battle intensifies over the fbi's investigation into russian election meddling and that anti-trump dossier. the complete transcript of the senate judiciary committee's interview with the co-founder of the firm behind the dossier is now out. senator dianne feinstein, the ranking democrat on the committee decided to release it despite objections from republican chairman chuck grassley. he says putting it out there only hurts the committee's probe. this is outnumbered. i'm sandra smith and here today there she is harris faulkner, the editor of town hall.com katie pavlich is here. former deputy spokesperson for the state department

marie harf and joining us today on the couch fox news politics editor of halftime report chris stirewalt here. he is outnumbered and you never know what you are going to get when stirewalt sits on the couch. should be a good hour. >> enthusiastic gratitude. start with that thank you for having me. >> harris: on fire. >> sandra: we look forward to the hour. let's get it started. unilateral move diane spine stein released the tringted of her committee's interview with glenn simpson the co-founder of fusion gps. the firm that was behind the anti-trump dossier. republican committee chairman chuck grassley saying while they will continue to work together is he disappointed and that the release could hurt their investigation going forward. >> guys, its did create some problems. for instance, when you are getting people to voluntarily come to you. it make a lot of people a lot more reserve about whether they want to

cooperate. and i think particularly in regard to jared kushner, that it could maybe effect moving forward with that. very high profile person, an as an example but it will continue to move forward. >> jared kushner off the hook then? >> no, no. not at all. >> sandra: president weighing in tweeting the fact that sneaky dianne feinstein who has on numerous are you occasions stated that collusion between trump-russia has not been found would release testimony in such an underhanded and possibly illegal way totally without authorization is a disgrace. chris stirewalt. your thoughts on all of that? >> well,. >> sandra: you guys were motioning over here there were eyeballs. >> chris: did i like that in the tweet trump called for democratic primary of dianne feinstein because you know california democrats snap right to it whenever the president calls.

the committee's work in this matter is substantially done. this is the tremor at the end of what they did. and we start out and say the senate judiciary, chuck grassley and dianne feinstein as the ranking members on that committee did a great job by the way so did senate intel in handling. this they were above board. they were collegial. they didn't get freaky. they will didn't get weird. they didn't get excessively freaky or leaky. and these are good things. something that the folks on the house could say good night about. this is, at the end, chuck grassley earlier went ahead and recommended for prosecution christopher steele. that was a slap at dianne feinstein and democrats. and what he recommended christopher steele for prosecution for was saying

something different to the fbi. he was is lying to one of us. either you or us. you should prosecute him. this is my interpretation this is her saying okay, you acted this way. so now i'm going to act this way. >> sandra: that's not very professional. >> this is what happens when you take a highly sensitive political matter such as this and put it in the hands of politicians. even good patriotic seasoned ones like chuck grassley and dianne feinstein have a hard time keeping their sabers sheathed. >> white house is defending dianne feinstein, watch. >> what they have tried to do is to create this sense that there is some collusion between the russians and christopher steele. when you look at glenn simpson' testimony, it's clear that that could not be farther from the truth. and rather than just argue the point, i think senator feinstein did the smart thing which is just throw the whole transcript out there and let people see it.

>> sandra: marie harf in the background saying um-huh. >> martha: i'm agreeing. on this couch we said we need more answers. we need more information. here is 300-plus page transcript of some of these answers that we have been looking for. so i think it's in the public's interest to see this. we can talk about the politics behind releasing it and that's fine. but, we have been looking for some of these answers. and it has been used in a very partisan way. and i do think that fusion has the opportunity to defend themselves. they called on this to be released. so there was nothing untoward about it in terms of getting people to cooperate because the witness, in fact, wanted it to be out there. >> katie: they say they want it released but won't testify in public hearing. they refuse to do that. dianne feinstein now has given glenn simpson an out. he can say my trips have been published. >> chris: my testimony speaks for itself. >> katie: no reason to testify in front of the american people and make a decision. in terms of the answers we got from this transcript. there aren't many. glenn simpson refused to answer whether he was in touch with the fbi about this dossier using

information. he refused to say whether he was employing russian agents, people in russia to help gather this information. and he also refused to answer the question of have you ever guaranteed a client that your research will prompt an fbi investigation of the person that you were trying to take down? so we actually don't have a lot of answers when it comes to the 300 pages that we got. and i think it opens the door to even more questioning of democrats, the funding behind it, the democratic national committee, the hillary clinton campaign and who exactly christopher steele is and who he was working with. >> harris: it's an excellent question. shame we didn't get some of those answers. for the other side argument is yeah this has been released for the pert negligent issues we still want you to come and testify publicly. you know, i didn't lose the timing on this, did i, chris? because the president was just calling on dianne feinstein to ask her about immigration. i mean, that was epic that meeting that we saw yesterday. that was something different. that was amazing seeing how those two sides, republicans

and democrats, those invited to the white house, hand picked list came and sat with the president and talked. he -- you know, at one point made sure that dianne feinstein had the floor at that table. i'm calling on you. come forth and she said well, i don't know if you would listen to this. we'll listen. put it out there. and thin. this i know things don't happen simultaneously but unfortunate, i would say. >> sandra: as far as the president is concerned he is still as did he n most tweet calling this the single greatest witch-hunt in american history. he says it continues. there was no collusion. everybody including the dems knows there was no collusion. and, yet, on and on it goes. russia and the world is laughing at the stupidity they are witnessing. republicans should finally take control. chris? >> chris: they pressed that one guy to death with stones in salem. i think that guy would say that was the biggest witch-hunt. >> sandra: literally. >> chris: literally. >> katie: they didn't actually do those things,

unfortunately. >> chris: yes, they did. in this case, look, what they do in congress matters less and less and less. we are down to recriminations, we are down to scoring partisan points. we are down to trying to get the last word in. no, i said, no i said. no, no, i said that i released the last release. so the word out at that point that's fine it's congress we don't take them too seriously. what matters now, whose got the ball? >> mueller. >> chris: mueller has got the ball. everything now depends on when is trump going to sit down and talk to mueller. what is the nature of that interview going to be like. how much is going to be written? how much is going to be written in person? who else is going to be called. most important thing chuck grassley said going forward is jared kushner off the hook he said not by a long shot. >> sandra: another wrinkle in dossier story president trump's personal lawyer michael cohen filed a defamation suit over it is he suing fusion gps, glen

simpson and buzzfeed he tweeted this enough is enough of the fake russian dossier. just filed a defamation suit against buzzfeed news for publishing the lie-filled document. i'on potus and me. katie? >> katie: the document is defamatory however i think this lawsuit is going nowhere. the president of the united states has been a public figure. he has been a public figure essentially his entire life. his attorney, michael cohen is also a public figure. and the bar is very, very high for libel and defamation suits. so they can win maybe on the p.r. here. they can make a statement about the intimidation and don't publish this stuff because we will run you into court and rack up your legal fees in terms of actually winning the lawsuit, i don't think it's going to go very far. >> i'm also not sure that team trump wants to expose the full dossier to legal vetting. because there are parts of it that potentially are true. some of the most salacious stuff is probably not or possibly not but if they want a judge to bible to go through every part of the dossier as part of a discovery process, i

actually don't think. >> chris: they could have hundred sealed it? >> maybe they are confident there is nothing there. >> maria: i think that is a false confidence. there are smart people in this field who believe at least some of it is true. >> harris: interesting what you say. when they look at the story they have not definitively drawn the line between the president and his attorney. this is the attorney's lawsuit he has been a public figure so to speak but not like a household name. >> chris: you have the most famous clip of the 016 election. when polls? all of them. >> maria: that's true. >> chris: never forget. >> sandra: we will leave it there. some of president trump's biggest critics rethinking their opposition after extraordinary event at the white house yesterday. when the president led a bipartisan and bicameral meeting of lawmakers with the cameras on. plus, the two sides seeming to come closer to a solution on those so-called dreamers. will the country get more border security in return?

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>> harris: we come with a fox news alert. the white house is responding to a federal judge's decision to temporarily block the president's push to end obama era protections for illegal immigrants who came to the united states as children. the so-called dreamers. the white house is calling this move by this judge outrageous. the judge's ruling coming after the president led a nearly hour-long bipartisan meeting on camera on immigration and we got to see all of it. >> >> we're here to advance bipartisan immigration reform that serves the needs of the american families, workers, and taxpayers. it should be a bill of love. and we can do that. it also has to be a bill to secure our border. in order to secure it, we need a bill. has to be a bill to end chain migration. the others cancel the lottery program. they call it visa lottery. i really do believe democrat, republican, people

sitting around this table want to get something done in great faith. i think we are on our way to do it. >> harris: president said we had enough to chew on for two weeks and invited those senators out. chris coons believes the president may be able to push congress to a deal. >> so what i thought we saw yesterday in that meeting, those individuals and in the conversation was the president really trying to be and sound reasonable on a compromise around the dreamers on daca. if the president chooses to make this not just one-day photo op. but to show real leadership here he actually could move us forward by getting a resolution to the status of dreamers and new investment in border security. >> harris: all right, here is an update group of house conservatives led by goodlat and paul ryan is set to release their own immigration proposal today it will reportedly call for aggressive border enforcement measures. in a deal to help the dealers u chief white house correspondent john roberts is live for us on the north lawn.

john? >> good afternoon to you, harris. the white house press pool right now in the cabinet room with the president where he is holding his first cabinet meeting of 2018. so it's likely that we will hear directly from the president on this issue of judge william federal judge district judge in san francisco last night ruling to block the rescission of the daca program by the president. clearly he is not happy about it tweeting this morning, quote: it just shows everyone how broken and unfair our court system is when the opposing side of the cases, such as daca always runs to the 9th circuit and almost always wins before being reversed by higher courts. the judge is a district judge but he falls within the jurisdiction of the ninth circuit of appeals and it's likely why a lawsuit was filed in that particular jurisdiction. but what the president said was actually quite tame compared to what the press secretary, sarah huckabee sanders said about it this morning where she said quote we find this decision to be outrageous, especially in light of the president's successful bipartisan meeting with house and

senate members at the white house on the same day and issue this magnitude must go through the normal legislative process. but in his ruling, and the judge may have been trying to tweak the president a little bit here. the judge actually quoted a treat in which the president voiced his support for daca where the president wrote quote does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? really? well, the judge basically said no, we don't want to do that. so i'm going to block your ruling. so now all of all of this aside including the white house ire kirstjen nielsen said this morning she doesn't think this court action is going to effect in any way the efforts here at the white house and in congress to reach a bipartisan agreement to fix the so-called dreamers act. listen here. >> we are very disappointed by the decision, but what we heard yesterday at the meeting was we're all committed to finding a deal. so a permanent solution is actually to the benefit of all the current daca

recipients and that's what we are pursue. >> so what we have heard since that meeting and during that meeting yesterday is that there does seem to be some momentum toward finding some kind of fix here. the question is what will be included in that fix. the president wants to fix daca. he also wants some border security measures including a wall and other items and then he also wants an end to chain migration and an end to the visa lottery program. yesterday when he came out, the house minority whip steny hoyer said there was unanimity in the room about the dreamers but didn't say anything about border security so we will see where this goes. >> harris: and around and around we go. thank you. chris stirewalt, i don't know how big of a deal this is, you have to tell me. january 19th will be here in a heart beat. people in the room thought they needed to get this done before next friday. >> chris: well, people say that this is a must pass

resolution. never under estimate congress' ability to fail. it is always within their power. >> harris: you mean to get anything done? >> look, they are exhausted, they passed legislation. so they are very tired right now. >> harris: they had all of christmas break. >> chris: they need time to recoup. the reality is the funding legislation that they need to pass on the 19th to keep the government funding, debt ceiling, military authorization. we have multiple -- we have cans tied together on a string kicking them down the street. they have to address this on the 19th of january. now, democrats say they are not voting for it unless daca is resolved. they won't vote for it now, i don't know that that's true. i don't know that that's 100 percent true. they say it i don't know if it's true. on the otheon the other side republicans say we are not voting for any daca amnesty unless we have a wall. i don't know if that's true either.

we are finding out how much each side is bluffing about this and the appropriate thing is happening. the house is promulgating legislation. the senate is going to promulgate legislation we will see what happens. hairs haters you listen to that meeting yesterday, the president said, you know, i understand that there are parts of where you would, you know, put a long a fence line and wall that will work and parts which won't. we will take a look at that. it isn't that he probably hasn't known that all along but now we are starting to hear even more detail about that. >> katie: he has also said that before. >> harris: not something we haven't heard before but now we are going to get a deal. >> chris: can i extend my remarks. >> harris: can you reclaim your time. >> chris: i wish to reclaim my time, madam. the most important thing that happened yesterday in that meeting wasn't any substantive discussion but as senator coons said and others said after 10 days in which the discussion about trump was is he too senile and stupid to be president, people said oh, he seems to have a command of these

issues, he is conversant. he is nimble. he is moving around the table. he is engaging people. he is as you said before bringing democrats in, republicans in. he was inhabiting the persona of a transpartisan dealmaker. >> maria: which is why they did it probably. >> chris: of course. it worked 55 minutes of him being in command and having command of the issues. >> sandra: holding him cabinet meeting today. but we are told that he talked about just that in this meeting. talking about how networks covered that meeting. said he has received notes of congratulations from many people about holding an hour long meeting from various television network anchors. he does talk, guys, this is important. securing borders, the depleted military. talking about -- he said the phone call was very good. nikki haley was brief but not on the call. president getting to a lot of the serious issues on cabinet meeting. listen. >> welcome back to the studio. nice to have you.

>> want to close that door when they are finished please. welcome to our first cabinet meeting of the new year, 2017 was the year of tremendous achievement, monumental achievement, actually, i don't think any administration has ever done, has done what we have done and what we have accomplished in its first year. which isn't quite finished yet. you never know what's going to happen over the next few days. and country, our people, and for our standing in the world have been very monumental. we confirmed an incredible new supreme court justice and more circuit judges in our first year than any administration in the history of our country. and we have many more coming. we set a new record on

reducing regulation and all forms of stopping growth and stopping jobs that were crip bling america's economy. again, the records that we set 22-1, nobody has ever come close and the amount of regulations that we have cut is a record also in our country's history as reported in particular the "wall street journal" did a big story on it before christmas we passed the largest tax cut and reform in american history, including anwr and including the fact that the individual mandate was terminated, which is a tremendously important thing and a very popular thing, i must tell you. people are supposed to pay for the privilege of not having healthcare. that was not good unfortunately the courts didn't cut it but we cut it. so, in addition to the

largest tax cut and reform in history. we have one of the great oil sites that's now been approved. they have been trying to approve anwr, i don't know if people know, this for over 40 years. ronald reagan tried to get it approved for exploration and for drilling. and for 40 years they have been trying to get it approved. that was in the bill. an individual mandate in the bill. since that tax cut was enacted, more than 1 million workers have already received a tax cut bonus. something that frankly nobody even thought about. we didn't think about it, nobody thought about it. we just d knew a lot of good things were going to happen. and i must say at&t was at the first one and they did it $1,000 per employee. they have hundreds of thousands of employees. and many companies followed immediately thereafter. and now they are following, i guess the employees are saying what about us? and millions of employees in

this country are getting thousand dollars and more in some cases tax bonuses because of the tax cuts. hard-working american families will receive tremendous tax relief. we lowered our tax rates nearly doubled the standard deduction and doubled the child tax credit, which ivanka trump was publishing very, very hard, i will tell you that and so was marco rubio. i will tell you that the republican senate we had no democrat support, zero. they didn't want tax cuts. they want tax increases. they want to raise your taxes. they don't want to cut your taxes. but the child tax credit has become very important to the american family and they are very happy about it. our historic reductions to the business tax will raise annual household income by an average of $4,000.

that's a tremendous number. the amount of money that's going to be brought in $4 trillion because of our tax reform. will be a number that this country has never seen pour into our country. and that's going to create more jobs and more investment. the stock market is shattering one record after another. unemployment is at 17-year low. and i'm very proud of this. african-american unemployment reached its lowest level in history. think of that. on the campaign trail, remember i said and would constantly say what do you have to lose? meaning what do you have to lose if you vote for trump? and now it was just reported african-american unemployment is at its lowest level in history.

i'm very proud of that. we're also making america safe again. yesterday we had a bipartisan meeting with house members and senators on immigration reform talking about for many many years and brought them together in this room and it was tremendous meeting. actually it was reported as incredibly good my performance some of them called it a performance, i consider it work but, got great reviews by everybody other than two networks who were phenomenal for about two hours. then after that they were called by their bosses oh, wait a minute, unfortunately a lot of those anchors sent us letters saying that was one of the greatest meetings they have ever witnessed and they were great for about two hours. they were phenomenal. then they went a little bit

south on it not that big. it was fine. they probably wish they didn't send us those letters of congratulations but it was good. i'm sure their ratings were fantastic. they always are which is why i think the media will ultimately support trump in the end. they say if trump doesn't win in three years, they are all out of business. [laughter] you guys will be out of business but the boom holders are still going to be there so that's good. those are the people i like. we agree to pursue four major areas yesterday of reform, securing our border, including, of course, the wall, which has always been included, never changed. ending chain migration and addressing the status of the daca population. we want been spoken of for years, and children are now adults in many cases.

the numbers are very different, very varying. a lot of peopleay 800,000. some people say yesterday first time i heard 650. i also heard 3 million. the fact is our country was such a mess nobody even knows what the numbers are but we'll know what the numbers are. but above all else, any bill we pass must improve jobs, wages, and security for american citizens. the people who elected us, all of us, the people that elected us, we have to cake care o -- totake care of them. we can't play games with our military, whether we are democrat or whether we are republican. we have to have a strong -- that's not a point of negotiation, we can't say oh, we're going to give you military for your military but you have to give us money for something that frankly is much less important than security. and we have to keep our

country strong and our military was badly depleted over the last long period of time, beyond president obama, i will say. beyond president obama. our military was very, very badly depleted. i just spoke to president moon, he is very thankful for what we have done. they are having talks with north korea. we will see what happens. he felt that the original that the initial talk was extremely good. had a lot of good comment, rex was on the phone nikki has been briefed. we had a good conversation. he is thankful for what we have done. it was reported today that we were the ones without our attitude that would have never happened. who knows where it leads. hopefully it will lead to success for the world, not just for our country but for the world. and we'll be seeing over the next number of weeks and months what happens.

on a separate front, we are going to take a strong look at our country's libel laws so that when somebody says something that is false and defamatory, about someone, that person will have meaningful recourse in our courts. and if somebody says something that's totally false and knowingly false that the person that has been abused, defamed, libeled will have meaningful recourse. our current libel laws are a sham. and a disgrace and do not represent american values or american fairness. so we're going to take a strong look at that we want fairness. you can't say things that are false, knowingly false, and be able to mile as money pours into your bank

account. we will take a very strong look at that and i think what the american people want to see is fairness finally as we begin the new year i want to thank my cabinet tirelessly. every day, every hour i'm on the phone with almost all of them all the time. and we have a lot of exciting things to go. i'm just looking at alex huff, what a job you have done with our healthcare. now, he is secretary of labor. but he is very much involved in healthcare. and i think those rules and regulations will be out around february 1st alex, as i understand it. and this is healthcare through association and associations. and i think that millions and millions and millions of people will be signing up. it will be highly competitive. he has been able to totally get rid of state lines so there will be tremendous competition. and that will be a phase of

healthcare that people don't talk about, but i think ultimately you will have more people than you actually had even in obamacare and it is just a segment of what we are doing. i want to tell you i read a lot of those papers last night and it is really great work, brilliant work. i think it is something that people don't talk about but something that's going to be very exciting and very great. it will be great healthcare at a very competitive price. there will be tremendous competition and it will cost the united states absolutely zero. so we're very proud of that. thank you, alex. and with that i just will start our cabinet meeting and we appreciate your being here and you have gotten very familiar with this room. i appreciate your nice comments yesterday. thank you all very much. thank you. >> mr. president, have you had -- [inaudible] >> thank you very much, everybody. >> thank you very much, everybody. [inaudible]

>> thank you, thank you very much. >> sandra: president not taking any questions or answering any questions there in the end north korea russian investigation what he did talk about there at his first cabinet meeting of the new year. he called 2017 a year of tremendous achievement. he talked about setting regulation or records by cutting regulations. he touted tax reform and the effect that's having on the economy and the low unemployment rate in this country. he talked about the stock market in shattering records there. often you hear that from the president. he did use that as an opportunity to tout that yet again. and he referenced back to that meeting yesterday we have been talking about. and he said it was a tremendous meeting. and he received notes of congratulations from various people. he then moved on to immigration reform and those libel laws. the president just wrapping up his first cabinet meeting of 2018. >> harris: steve bannon is stepping down from his post as executive chairman of the website breitbart news.

the move comes after backlash over remarks adistricted to steve bannon in a new book. maybe you heard about that. meanwhile, "the washington post" is reporting bannon told associates he plans on focus creating a political operation in 2018. is he banking on president trump needing help from him again in the future. predicting that congressional republicans will eventually dessert the president. will that happen, chris? >> chris: it depends on how things go. you know, one of the challenges that steve bannon has, he views the world, he sees the world in these weird, large, historical swoops and sweeps. and he compares himself to one of the courtiers for the house of tutor or compares himself to all of these grandiose things and all of this big stuff. most of what happens in washington i wish people could understand that this is my fervent prayer for my country. most of what happens in washington, most of what i

cover, most of what we do is incremental and annoying. most of what happens happens in little meetings and it happens by accident and then a little bill passes and then that doesn't happen and then that confirmation doesn't go through. there are not -- you do not feel the thundering jets of history reverbiating over the cannons of time. steve bannon lives in this bizarre row space. maybe the president needs him. don't trash talk his children. and don't lose him back-to-back senate races in alabama. there's a good starting place. >> harris: katie, just looking forward and no disrespect to the democrat on the couch today. >> maria: i wouldn't that way. >> chris: good. >> harris: this is a gap in time. we know after the presidential election democrats have still been trying to gather their message, so on and so forth. this is a time for the party to do what with or without steve bannon. >> i think it's clear that people are backing president trump over steve bannon. when you lose the breitbart

audience. if you go and look at the comments that were left on the website after this blew up in bannon's face, it's very clear which side people are on. i'm not so sure they will go back to bannon as someone who is going to be the leader of the grassroots movement. >> harris: what does it mean for the party though? >> i don't know what it means to the party. bannon was supposed to be a grassroots activist kind of guy. he rode in on the tea party wave of 2010, was heavily involved in the turn joseph of the house of representatives, involved in tea party movements all over the country. i don't know if they are really going to take him back on this. it's going to take someone else to get in there and get that job done. >> harris: you have got a president now who he doesn't need steve bannon according to katie and chris, so what do you do in the meantime as democrats? >> maria: we will see in the republican party what if any role steve bannon plays in 2018. we have a senate race in arizona that has kelli ward, joe arpaio that has lot of bannon supporters and trump supporters playing in that primary space. will it play a role? will it matter?

you have the dean heller primary that he has played a role in. will it matter? we don't know the answers to these questions, but donald trump isn't on the ballot this november. and republicans are. and steve bannon attests for his staying power will be if he plays a role and if it matters because so far this year he has a losing streak. >> katie: who else is going to play a role? steve bannon is not the only person involved in this movement. >> maria: we will see. >> katie: carried republicans to power. there were a lot of other people involved at the grassroots level and quite frankly the establishment level. when it comes to the record so far of the losses here, candidates are having to look at steve bannon's record and say do i want to be another losing queargt on his background. >> chris: exclamation point. >> harris: columnist admits is he no fan of the president. accusing the nancaccusing the mf getting dumber.

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>> katie: "new york times" columnist david brooks explaining why he believes the anti-trump movement quote seems to be getting dumber and becoming less effective. brooks writing quote the anti-trump movement seems to be settling into a smug fairy tale version of reality that filters out discore can't information more anti-trumpers seem to be telling themselves a madness of king george narrative trump is a semi literate mad man surrounded by sycophants who are psychologically inferior to people like us. chris stirewalt the column anti-trumpism which he says suffer from low browism.

>> chris: fire emojy, fire emoneyy, fire emoneyy, fire emogi. david brooks is 100 percent right. we don't want to pretend like this is only a phenomenon of the anti-trump left. this was by the way fair to point out about the staple point in barack obama's presidency that birtherrism cropped up and got real hot. because part of it is this isn't happening. this just isn't happening. this can't be real. this guy isn't really president. we started out with trump not my president. #not my president. this isn't happening. unprecedented by the russians. comey is going to make him unpresident. then maybe mueller is going to make minimum unpresident. as they go through. now very much they bought into this wolff book which is i don't want to call it trash, but it's a gossip book. it's a kitty kelley book. it's a hushed whispers in hallway at the white house loosely sourced. this is supposed to be

popcorn not steak. and they are clinging to this and they are clinging to these notions because they just don't want what's happening to be real. that's bad for them but also bad for the country because it keeps them out of the kinds of discussions that you saw yesterday where you get them around the people and people can actually talk. >> katie: marie, what about that point though? we have to many down to substance. what do you think americans think accusations may or may not be true. salacious and dramatic rather than talking about policies which effect everyday people's lives. >lives. >> maria: we have to do both. so accusations about president trump's behavior that he is erratic and emotional those are been backed up by mainstream reporters and behavior. that's not enough to run on. you see democratic candidates on the campaign trail who are not focusing, necessarily on donald trump. they are focusing on a democratic policy message. and you saw that yesterday with the folks that were at the white house. so you have to be able to do both, but i don't think we should discount everything

in the wolfe book because he is not like the world's best -- >> sandra: i too thought this was incredibly important piece and obviously making even more important and relevant is that he is anti-trump himself. he talked about the insula insularity book goes into. most of the people detest trump don't know anybody who works with him or supports him. if they do have friends or family members who admire trump they have learned to not even talk about the subject. they get most of their information about trumpism from others who also detest trumpism. i think those are really relevant things that were relevant during the campaign. kind of saying they are blossoming into full bloom now. >> harris: i would certainly say misery loves company. that's why you are seeing the low brow attack. >> katie: low browism as he said. moving along why free speech advocates very upset over a move to police the internet and reports that this effort is predominantly targeting one viewpoint. guess which one? ♪ ♪

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>> sandra: more outnumbered in just a moment. touch base on harris what is coming up on outnumbered overtime in a few minutes, harris? >> harris: sandra, thank you so much. what a lineup we have logan gidley on a federal judge blocking the president on daca. house majority leader kevin

mccarthy on immigration reform after that remarkable televised white house meeting yesterday you saw it here live. congressman jim jordan on senator dianne feinstein releasing those transcripts of interviews with the co-founder of the firm behind the anti-trump dossier. could that compromise the investigation? and senator rand paul will be on board on surveillance authority the president calls vital to protect us from terror. all that and more overtime atop the hour. sandra, back to you. >> sandra: we look forward to it back to you. new allegations that silicon valley are policing political views. google someplace so-called fact checks when users are checking for website. according to the daily caller the new tool is predominantly applied to conservative news sites. prominent liberal sites don't get the same treatment. big plucks like the "new york times" are not fact checked at all. here is a frame grab of the quote fact check of the daily caller website. the report finds the google's claims tool is partisan and inaccurate.

one case the claim suggests conservative site makes a claim that they actually never made. chris, can we all agree that fact check something a good thing? >> chris: no. >> maria: no? >> chris: fact checking is not journalism. >> maria: go on. >> chris: so we have fallen into the trap of fact checking. fact checking is just as subjective as any other kind of journalism. >> maria: okay. >> chris: if we are talking about an degree -- did i say that right man made global warming, how much of a factor it is actually a subject of some disagreement. there is no substantive disagreement that there is climate change. how many man's role goes into climate change is a matter of some dispute. when google gets into saying you're wronger than she is or he is writer than you are, you are 70% wronger -- google is way out of its lane. that's not the job -- i will just to make one more sniffy sniff about this if i may sniff. i am tired of these companies telling me that they're not content

providers. >> maria: i wholeheartedly agree with you. >> chris: i'm tired of google and facebook and all of these other people. >> maria: i agree. >> chris: we are a platform we are providing content that we police and say what's on it and what it is. huey and horse feathers on that. >> maria: amen. katie, whose lane is it then? lo allot of us look at the internet and like to know if it's true or not. >> katie: up to the individual person to do the topic. >> maria: or individual news organization. >> katie: or individual news organization. conservative organizations and news outlets conservative leaning being targeted here which is always the case when it comes to fact-checking or going after them like the irs did. this isn't something that really ever happens to the left. we see it on college campuses. and it's really just saying you're wrong because i disagree with you and it actually doesn't have a factual basis at all. i would be highly skeptical of the fact-checking. >> sandra: docile con valley then have a big problem when it comes to bias? >> chris: well, yes, of

course, of course, we were talking about bubbles before. >> right. >> chris: very few bubbles in the world thicker than the ones that surround that part of the world. they live in that space. of course, just as david brooks before was talking about how the people who are anti-trump don't know anybody who voted for trump, don't know anybody who works for these things or believes in these things. the idea that there are this many dispirit viewpoints out there and i agree with you to the substantial point, katie, that there are mostly -- most of the time this stuff seems to fall to the right rather than the left, but everybody on both sides ought to be concerned when fact-check is weaponized and used to discredit otherwise legitimate points of view. >> maria: do you think that's happened? >> chris: unpopular ideas are the ones that need protected the most in a free society. >> katie: not just discrediting ideas but saying they are factually wrong and they're nobody else. >> chris: you might think or know this. >> maria: might encourage people to do that more.

>> chris: it did have that effect. >> maria: want those russian ads. all $100,000 of them. >> sandra: we will leave it right there. more outnumbered in just a moment. ♪

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>> sandra: leave it on my note. we appreciate you being here, chris. we will see you tomorrow live at noon eastern. here is harris. ♪ ♪ >> harris: let's get this hour started. a move by a top democrat aimed at putting pressure on president trump's plans on immigration as we go outnumbered overtime. i'm harris faulkner. the white house is calling it outrageous that a federal judge has temporarily blocked president trump's decision to end the obama era dreamers program. the ruling by the san francisco based judge coming just hours after president trump hosted a bipartisan group of lawmakers to hammer out an immigration deal. the president insists that any deal must include his border wall. homeland security chief kirstjen nielsen was in the room yesterday. >> the president has a passion for the daca recipients. he has been clear on that. he wants to find a permanent fix. but he is also very clear that the way to do that is we must increase border security and close the loopholes so that we don't end up here again in two or three years with another population that we are