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we'll see you on the radio tomorrow and remember, keep it locked right here because shannon bream is up next. another phenomenal show on tap and remember, twitter, facebook, we'll have a poll up later tonight. i want you to participate. remember, that this is your country and this means we are all invested in the results of all these debates. shannon bream is up next. >> shannon: laura, thank you so much. here is what is coming up tonight. this search for a definitive answer about what sparked the russia investigation intensifies, as the debate over government spying heats up in congress. speak up when you are talking on fbi phone and you are at work conspiring with other workers to bring a president down, that is a real problem. >> shannon: tonight the president wants to know whether the fbi relied on unverified dossier in order to justify spying on his campaign. he is joined by influential republicans asking tough questions. >> why would the fbi use a democrat paid for dossier to
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actually see her veil another campaign? >> shannon: we'll dig deeper on the porch for answers as we wait to see how soon the details behind the dossier will be made public. as president trump gets slain for making an allegedly racist comment at med immigration talks, democrats slam their own house leader for "offensive leaders" about negotiators. plus, congressional firebrand responds to the latest wheeling and dealing on daca and he's got a warning about impeachment. and megan alexander and hollywood a-lister james franco facing a bombshell sexual misconduct report. ♪ >> shannon: hello and welcome to "fox news @ night." i'm shannon bream in washington. just end, we are getting new information on the battle between the g.o.p. and the fbi.
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the president all but accusing the bearer of aligning itself with the obama administration io undermine his campaign last year. that comes in the form of a presidential suite ahead of a vote on the foreign intelligence surveillance act. ed henry is working his sources on that front. meanwhile, white house sources attempting to clarify the president's comments tonight about immigrants seeking special temporary protected status. we have team coverage. leland vittert covering the presidents controversial comments. first, we begin with ed henry. >> good to see you. breaking tonight, president trump told "the wall street journal" that pro-clinton texts exchange between top fbi officials before the last election amounted to treason, an apparent reference to those messages about fbi officials wanting a so-called insurance policy in case hillary clinton lost. those were messages that went back and forth between peter strzok and lisa page. fox news is now hearing from two separate sources tonight that more text messages between these fbi officials are going to be
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released soon, meaning this case is heating up just as sources familiar with the various investigations are also telling us that top lawmakers in congress have now privately gotten a look at the warrants that fbi officials submitted to the secretive fisa court to justify the obama administration surveillance of trump officials. this fits with a report from byron york of the "washington examiner" yesterdaye lawmakers are using the documents to answering "the question of whether the fbi used unverified material from the dossier, a clinton campaign opposition research product, to apply for permission to spy on americans." this is why several republicans in the house or in now urging speaker paul ryan and the trump administration to declassify the information so the public can see it's. >> there is a growing body of members who believe that this dossier was a significant factor in terms of the fisa warrant. i think there is a broader
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question here. why would the fbi use a democrat paid for dossier to actually surveilled another campaign? >> some of these reports may have impacted the president's thinking this morning, as he lashed out at the so-called section 702 of the foreign intelligence surveillance act, which his own administration wanted reauthorized today so they could use a lock to chase down terrorists. after watching a segment today on "fox & friends," the president lashed out... that was the president. democrats tried to jump all over that shift in position to delay the vote. almost two hours later, the president clarified, tweeting... white house press secretary
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sarah sanders was asked about this today. she insisted that the speech the president made was not confusing for her and she said that she ws sorry it may have confused the media and apparently some lawmakers in both parties. the house, ended up passing it after that clarification. it still faces an uncertain fate in the senate where rand paul is threatening a filibuster because of privacy concerns. >> shannon: ed henry life for us tonight. thank you very much. outrage and condemnation pouring into night. president trump appeared headed toward a deal on immigration and now he is getting thumped across the board. leland vittert is here to break down what was said as the administration attempts to clarify his comments. first of all, what was the president talking about? >> they are burning the midnight oil at the white house. a person familiar with the president's thinking tells fox news his comments was about an extraordinarily nuanced view of u.s. immigration policy. his detractors say it is proof of the president's racist tendencies. you be the judge. the colorful language came as
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lawmakers presented in the immigration deal to the president. no one in the room is denying the president said this: "why are we having all these people from -- insert expletive -- countries come here? "lawmakers at the meeting said they were taken aback by the locker room talk that set the twitter reverse a blaze and cable tv into a full on inferno. >> we are going to send people back from the richest nation in the world? shame on donald trump! this was a racist remark and we need to call it for what it was. >> i don't understand what decision is. you're not allowed to point out that other countries aren't as good places to live is america? what is the problem? >> there is definitely an issue here because what is happening here is of the president's connecting and articulating the same vision we saw in charlottesville. >> all right, now for the context of said bombshell remark. a meeting a bipartisan lawmakers talking about this comprehensive
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immigration deal with the white house. more on that deal in just a minute. the president's remarks spoke specifically to a part of the proposal providing special relief to immigrants from the poorest, most crime-ridden countries in the western hemisphere. haiti, as an example. a country where the state department notes violent crime, such as armed robbery, is common. it is the poorest country in the western hemisphere, where less than four in ten people have electricity, and one of the lowest per capita gdp in the world. on the record, the white house has certain washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries but president trump will always fight for the american people. on background, a person who tells fox news they are familiar with the president's thinking, offering a far more refined view of the policy, telling that the president really meant that if the u.s. is going to have special provisions for immigrants, why have them from countries with a lower skill set and who may be more of a stress
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on benefits and the american system. as my grandmother would say, not necessarily what you say, but how you say it. clearly, shannon, how the president said this and addressed this policy, soaking up if not all the tweets in the world, all the trees in washington. >> shannon: we will talk about this because there were calls, not just from the left, but plenty of republicans, he's going to have to step up, take responsibility for this, explain it, and apologize. we'll have more on that coming up. not to the substance of what they were talking about. will there be a deal? >> that's a great question. big questions as to whether or not this comment will affect the deal and how it will affect the deal. democrats continue to threaten a government shutdown until republicans agree on legal status for the so-called dreamers, that's kids brought here illegally. this afternoon, a small bipartisan group of senators said they have an agreement in principle on tying legal status to funding for border security as part of a broader immigration
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reform. senators graham, durbin, flake, bennett, gardener, and menendez might have a deal among themselves, but those six must get a total of 60 senators and a majority of the house, along with the president, to agree with them. >> the president is willing to grant legal protections for this population of illegal immigrants in return for adequate security and ending extended family chain migration and ending the diversity lottery. there is no change to those parameters. >> i spent the day on capitol hill and both republicans or democrats will tell you they are open to a deal with those parameters. but no one has managed to find the magic formula so far. while the president set a march deadline for congress to deal with the dreamers, the government runs out of money and shuts down next week. house speaker nancy pelosi tonight issued a lightly veiled threat of forcing the republicans into an embarrassing corner. >> there is no point in having
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it it unless we have an agreement on daca and funding. >> it's unclear if that is a bluff where democrats will really make a stand. shannon, they are certainly trying to use the president's remarks too tight and the thumbscrews on republicans, as you noted. >> shannon: it is not helpful for him in this debate. leland vittert, thank you so much. tonight the democrats saying president trump isn't "trying to hide the racism anymore." following the colorful language used it to describe countries, but house minority leader nancy pelosi also under attack for members of her own party for saying this about partisan immigration talks, which included her number two. >> five white guys i call them. the hamburger stand next to her about? >> shannon: five white guys. he responded telling "politico" that comment is offensive.
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the spokesperson for pelosi said her comments were not a question of who was there but rather, who is not there. chris stirewalt's fox news politics editor. chris, welcome. >> i don't know if i should be talking about number twos tonight. >> shannon: that's not where you want to go. >> [laughs] >> shannon: what would that we are going to be talking about is the substance of whether they are inching closer to a deal and i we have this controversial comment from the president. it's taking up all the oxygen. today, you were saying that maybe he was starting to learn how to get things right. >> first, from a point to be of substance, what the president said is going to make a government shutdown more likely. democrats are going to be more out for blood. we knew that there was going to be a certain point for the democratic base had a backlash against these negotiations at all. getting caught negotiating with trump and other republicans is not a good look for a party whose base basically wants trump unprecedented as soon as possible. so this comment will intensify
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that as possible, and make it less palatable for democrats to be negotiating this. so this pushes us closer to a show zone on the 19th in that way. is the president learning? i think we have an example today. watching television this morning, he tweets out the treat, and he nails it, two hours later, he takes it back. two hours later, he says, never mind, i did that. and the measure passes and he gets what he wants. i think that is a concrete demonstration. compared to a year ago, in march, when the phones were tapped, 12 12 tweets and the republicans try to make it sound true and running after ths thing, it doesn't matter -- it matters in the larger sense who was tapped, where it was tapped, what's a dossier, i'm not saying those things don't matter. i'm saying from a political point if you come at the drop
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is, past your agenda, get the t. the president could have gone down the wormhole into phones tapped and all that stuff, but he didn't. he pulled back and he said, that tweet didn't read like his own hand but he took a smart course and he said, let's focus on getting stuff passed, not making myself sound right. >> shannon: we have the comments tonight, taking up all the oxygen. this comes in from representative, a republican out of utah, her parents came from haiti. "my parents came from one of those countries, but probably took an oath of allegiance to the united states and took on the responsibilities of everything that being a citizen comes with. the president must apologize to both the american people and in the nations he still wantonly maligned." will he do that? >> it depends how much time he wants to waste on this. the truth is, this is a comment, people say things in meetings and behind closed doors all the
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time that if they were taken out and put into a different context would be totally appalling. i'm sure nancy pelosi has said plenty of things behind closed doors in meetings that if it hit the airwaves, it would be a scandal. what you get caught, you get burned, you get things, how long do you want to live there? remember, the president has a lot of able and ardent defenders who will waste a lot of time in the coming days explaining why it was correct and prayed for him to do. this will also be counterproductive. this will also take them further away from the goal of capitalizing -- just think of it this way. on wednesday, we were talking -- or on tuesday, we were saying that was a , successful meeting. >> shannon: even folks on the left were praising him. >> now we are in thursday, and we are in "covfefe-ville" ." base versus base, whipped up. how long he want to stay in that space? one of those ways out is to say,
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i'm sorry, i used salty language behind closed doors, that doesn't reflect our appreciation for the great immigrants who come from countries like haiti and i used the wrong term and i apologize. that is the way that you get out of it. >> shannon: will it happen? >> probably not going to happen. but you know what? i wouldn't have said six weeks ago that the president would have taken back his tweet this morning. again, this is a learning person. we watched him learn how to run for president when he was doing it, we are watching him learn about being in office as he's there. i can't take anything off the table. who knows. >> shannon: every 12 hours, there is a new scandal. what >> it's a good thing we hear late at night. >> shannon: yes, it is. good to see you. tomorrow, the white house is expected to announce a decision on whether or not the president will continue to waive nuclear deal related sanctions against iran. french president emmanuel macron and a phone call with the president reportedly stressed the importance of abiding by the iran nuclear deal.
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reuters reported yesterday that the presidential advisors were recommending at the president not re-impose sanctions on iran. wheeling and dealing continues on capitol hill tonight over an agreement on immigration and daca. congressman louie gohmert is here to fill us in on what is happening behind the scenes and respond to the outrage over the president's controversial comments and we get inside an interview room with a member of an all salvadoran gang who outlined their terrible crimes in chilling detail. and five lumens women accuse js franco of sexual harassment just after he wore a times of pain at hollywood. the golden globes. they came out of nowhere, sir! how many of 'em? we don't know. dozens. all right! let's teach these freaks some manners! good luck out there, captain! thanks! but i don't need luck, i have skills... i don't have my keys. (on intercom) all hands.
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>> shannon: is a debate about ending special status for salvadoran immigrants continues, and ms-13 admits to stabbing a 13-year-old girl more than a dozen times, making the video -- trace gallagher has the latest. >> in january of last year, 13-year-old was taken from maryland to virginia by a large group of ms-13 members and several of those members are accused of attacking her. but it was then 17-year-old who,
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in an effort to avenge the deate 13-year-old that she would "see her in hell" before stabbing the girl 13 times and slicing up one of her tattoos. here is she confessing to the crime. >> you need to tell me what you did to her. >> i killed her. >> how did you kill her? >> with a knife. 12, and then the 13th was here. speak up when police asked her if the murder bothered her, she said no, and when they ask why it doesn't bother her, she responded, i don't know. she's now facing life plus 20 years for the killing. investigators say the murder of the 13-year-old was all captured on cell phone video with the intent of sending the footage to ms-13 leaders in el salvador, which is where the gang originated. now as part of immigration enforcement and the ongoing daca negotiations in congress, president trump is threatening
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to end the protected status of some 200,000 salvadoran immigrants living in the u.s. these are immigrants who were allowed to stay here following a devastating earthquake that hit el salvador in 2001. now home i'm securities as "the substantial disruption of living conditions caused by the earthquake no longer exist." democrats accuse the administration of tearing families apart but now there is where this could be a bargaining chip for the president. "the washington post" says democrats could insist on extending the extended status of the immigrants in exchange for giving the president what he wants. president trump hasn't mentioned backing off a decision to revoke the production of salvadoran immigrants but mr. trump does have several items on his wish list, including money for a border wall, or at least a good chunk of a wall. shannon. >> shannon: trace gallagher, thank you very much. around-the-clock negotiations
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about immigration and government spending continued tonight what are they being overshadowed by the president's comments? republican congressman from texas louie gohmert joins us tonight. >> great to be with you. thank you. >> shannon: you know what the president said, i want to repeat it here. does it help or hurt your effort to get something done? i know you have mixed emotions about what has been floating around capitol hill as a potential solution. >> i'm not going to defend his language but i will defend his frustration. here we've got people, the only people they want to talk about being dreamers are people that came into the country illegally. many of them, the people picture a young, precious people and most of them, a lot of them are middle-aged and then we see statistics that a huge percentage don't speak english, even though they were getting free education and all kinds of free things, and you've got these same people that are pushing to keep ms-13-ers even
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more than they are to help make sure our dreamers who were born in america have that chance for the future. it is so frustrating and every time, every time anybody in washington talks about legalization of anyone here illegally, the border patrol says they get these surgeries and they've been getting them since august, and it is a frustrating time and the economy should be taken off after the gt tax bill we got done and yet, when you keep overwhelming america with people coming in illegally, it is difficult to get things done. let me note one other thing, shannon. isn't it interesting, the people they that keep a demanding some immediate amnesty, legalization, they also demand that there be no wall. they don't want border security. they want to keep doing this, and of course, it's pretty transparent, they don't care
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about the peoples whose wages have been stagnant, or have been unable to find jobs. they care about getting people in who don't speak the language who they can manipulate into voting for their party. speed went okay, there's a lot there to unpack, congressman. but let's do this. it sounds like that there are plenty of people on both sides of the aisle that want to see some kind of solution for these 800,000 people who were brought here and they are not children now but they were brought here as kids and many of them are in schools or in the military or in other service -- >> many of them say they were brought here as kids -- >> shannon: there are those cases, for sure. now as they move forward to some kind of solution, there is talk of some special legal status for them. some are even talking about citizenship. i want to play something from congressman hurt, from your state. here's what he said. >> ultimately, it's a daca fix
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plus smart border security. >> are you concerned that offering the green card and pathway to citizenship might drive away some republicans from wanting to sign onto the bill? >> no, i don't think it is. >> shannon: he says no. are you going to get to the magic number in the house if there is a path to citizenship in this package? >> let's be clear. anybody that says that we are going to be able to give some kind of legal status without giving citizenship is crazy. as soon as there is any legal status at all, then the people will come rushing in who are willing to agree to a legal status but not citizenship and say, oh, now you want to have a three fifths of a person? he will be condemning -- let's be clear, anybody that gets legal status will be made a citizen. whatever time we talk about this kind of process without securing the border, more people come in. the border really, shannon, the border has got to be secured -- >> shannon: but doesn't have
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to be done with a physical wall or can you use a combination of other -- >> yet, there are places. there's got to be a wall. it doesn't have to be 202,100 miles but there are places, hundreds of miles, we redo needed and that needs to be done, and we saw in '86, if you put border security and amnesty legalization in the same bill, you will get the amnesty every time and you will never get the border security. so we have got to not put the cart before the horse or we are going to run this cart and for us right off the cliff. >> shannon: we know that you're not alone. there were many on the right and left unhappy with what they are hearing proposed so far. >> like the people that elected donald trump. >> shannon: a lot of those folks, you are right. we'll see what continues to bubble up on capitol hill. keep us up updated. >> thank you for caring, shannon. >> shannon: you hurt him
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first. derek maltz, the dea agent who blew the whistle on the obama administration's slow rolling of hezbollah drug investigation. tonight, the justice department is making a huge announcement. he will be here to reveal what he thinks should happen next. meanwhile, rumors about sexual misconduct by actor james franco will become on the record testimonial. we'll discuss the story of the latest harassment in hollywood. plus, natural disaster hits southern california. a report from a community that's been rocked by those devastating, deadly mudslides. >> terrifying noises. it sounded like 100 people with huge logs slamming into the house every three seconds. ♪ your insurance company won't
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♪ >> shannon: hundreds of rescue workers are slogging through knee-deep mud as they look for survivors and bodies and read devastating mudslides in
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southern california. the death toll stands at 17, many others still missing. william la jeunesse reports for montecito california. >> at 3:30 it sounded like a freight train was driving. i came to investigate, i found a man on the street. >> roberts neighbor need help evacuating when the mudslide hit. >> his father, uncle, , and come out of houses that were sliding off of foundations, knee-deep in mud, it was scary. >> houses cut in half, trees uprooted, cars tossed like toys. this is just 1 of 6 areas and montecito change forever. this is a neighborhood that no longer exists. the mudslide literally wiped a dozen homes right off the map. there foundations are now covered in mud. three days into this disaster, the fire chief says search and rescue crews are running out of time. >> several factors that go into determining how long a victim will be viable. >> crews are busy restoring power, cleaning streets, hauling dirt, but there will be no water for up to a month.
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residents near areas that burned it last month's wildfires were under mandatory evacuation orders. those further away were not. >> some people that initially asked to be a evacuated elected to stay and of course, they were left in place but those who wanted to be moved out were moved out. speak of the counties and 200,000 200,000 emails warning of a possible mudslide and knocked on 700,000 doors in the mandatory exactly evacuation zone the night before but it's being criticized for not using the emergency cell phone alerts us to mental after the mudslide started. >> they didn't tell us that something bad was going to happen, they knew. there was something there. >> i don't think people didn't sin. i think people listen to. i don't think his people's fault. i don't think people -- i think this is a natural disaster of biblical proportions. >> it may not look like it but montecito is the most exclusive neighborhood in one of california's wealthiest areas. will people rebuild? the land is too valuable not to.
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but it could be weeks before many residents return. shannon? >> shannon: william la jeunesse. thank you for the latest from california. actor james franco were a time's up pinned to the golden globes on sunday night. in support of the effort to fight workplace sexual harassment and that spurred five women to tell the "los angeles times" that they experienced inappropriate or sexually exploited behavior by franco. megan alexander of "inside edition" joins us with more about this story. good evening, what we know about it? >> actor james franco best known for movies like "pineapple express" and "127 hours" is the latest accused of sexual misconduct. what triggered all this? you said it. it appears the pin for the golden globes with the times up pin on his tuxedo. five women have come out to "l.a. times" and revealed their stories. they range from professional and personal stories of how james franco pressured them to do things they did not want to do.
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several of the women say they were students at james franco's acting school in hollywood, now closed. while working with him, they were pressured to either post topless, post nude. if they refuse, they say james turner got very upset. if they agreed to do so, sometimes the video would turn up on a pornographty site. he was not someone you could say no to end if you did, you risked damaging your career. james franco has responded. tuesday night he went on "the colbert show" then he said this. "the things that i heard that were on twitter are not accurate, but i completely support people coming out and being able to have a voice because they didn't have a voice for so long. if i have done something wrong, i will fix it. i have to." >> shannon: i mean, this is a bored season. he is up for other big awards in addition to what we saw from sunday night. >> he is. just tonight, thursday night, he was a no-show at the critics
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choice awards where he did take on the award for best actor for his role in "the disaster artist." wednesday night, he was supposed to appear in new york city and lead a discussion on that film and that event was canceled. in terms of the larger conversation, what does this mean for him? i think being a no-show at both of these events reveals the pressure that he may be feeling this week. >> shannon: absolutely. we know that every day it seems there is a "no" story, new allegations, and he does say, that he doesn't want to discourage people from coming forward. but at least he doesn't see himself in accusations that are out there. we'll follow the story. megan, thank you very much. coming up, you saw the story first here on "fox news @ night." the obama administration accused of turning a blind eye to hezbollah's drug trafficking activities while over is presuming the iran nuclear deal. up next, the former official at the center of the case response to a major new development. ♪
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.. >> shannon: a follow-up on story use our first right here on "fox news @ night." the justice department announcing today it is creating a tax force to take a fresh look at drug trafficking and money laundering related to hezbollah. it comes following a bombshell report that claims the obama administration went easy on pursuing these hezbollah drug peddling cases, as it went to walk in a nuclear deal with iran. we want to welcome back derek
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maltz, a former top dea special agent who was involved in investigating and overseeing this hezbollah money laundering case. it's good to have you back. >> thank you, shannon. >> shannon: there was his allegation in the "politico" report that this may have been, some people thought linked to the administration previously wanting to go easy on iran, or hezbollah, while they were working on the iran nuclear deal. today, jeff sessions says... .. how did you react when you heard that? >> very excited and very thankful for the attorney general's leadership. he's done more in a week on this issue then has been dead for years. i am very excited. i look forward to seeing the results. the most beneficial thing for the u.s. national security is
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john cronan leading the effort. he's a former prosecutor from the southern district of new york. i know a lot about him, he's very intelligent, very smart, and he understands law enforcement culture, he understands that you have to work together. most importantly, in 2010, the southern district of new york broke down the walls between drugs and terrorism. that is what. bharara, as the u.s. attorney, he did. he wanted the best prosecutors in the world to work on the actual biggest threats to this country. so john will have the experience to come in and actually go after these people really hard. >> shannon: you had spent years doing this and uncovered in many cases in which there were people indicted. you put together cases of people who were funneling money and drugs in a way that was then giving millions of dollars to some of our worst enemies who were coming after us and many other free countries and individuals with sheer terrorism. that's what it was, it was being funded, and many of these cases,
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you didn't get movement or resolve even though people had been indicted. >> one of the best examples was a man sitting in czech republic waiting to be extradited to the united states of america, just like previously when there was an extradition when the government rallied around, the leadership got involved, went to the thailand government, we need him back here, he's a national security threat. he was in a hotel room in 2014 when i was still in charge, talking about how exciting it will be to hold up and americans had. also talking about using surface-to-air missiles to take up helicopters down in columbia. these people are the people we need back here to go to jail. and this particular guy, he was released, he went back to lebanon. they had a kidnapping. they kidnapped five czechs in lebanon. >> shannon: despite his work, he was not brought to justice.
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i want to give you a chance to respond -- within the obama administration, you weren't happy about the story in "politico," a spokesman for the nsc said... you being one of those sources. >> okay, i don't want to know tommy but he was a spokesperson. he's a screenwriter, like he's a speechwriter. he's not an operator. he doesn't know the details of these law enforcement investigations. again, jack kelly, the lead dea agent attacked by operation and david asher and a bunch of other folks, very, very high level contractors involved in following the money around the world, we know what happened. we were in the cases. these people that like to talk in the beltway just because they have nothing better to do, they want to do tweets to be popular out there.
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you know what? they didn't do the cases. they don't know the details are. >> shannon: he would do. it appears that many other people will know, as well because the attorney general is launching this, and if you have a lot of confidence. we'll see where these cases go. we hope it will bring resolution to all the work you did. >> i am very confident in the current leadership that is out there involved with these cases. the key to this whole thing for success is what is the objective of the task force, what are the resources, who is going to be involved, is there going to be directives from the top about cooperating and sharing between crime and terror cases? >> shannon: we know the coordination is something very important. we will watch it, we know you will, as well. thanks for coming back. >> i appreciate it. >> shannon: a christmas tree getting a whole new life in rome, tossed up for souvenirs and more. plus, the major policy shift in the trump administration you may not of heard about today. why it is sparking so much controversy. the political panel is back nex next. ♪
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>> shannon: this is a fox news alert. we've been reporting on the firestorm over president trump's criticism over immigration from blaine cole countries, apparently in response to the outrage, the president tweeting about 8 minutes ago...
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meanwhile, the trump administration announcing it has secured $55 million of aid money for those who have been victims of isis atrocities. during a trip to iraq last month, vice president mike pence meant directly with 100 iraqi christian leaders and even attended the rededication of the third century church destroyed by isis. the trump administration announcing plans to allow states to test a work requirement for healthy medicaid beneficiaries. a number of exemptions. we'll talk about those. states are helpful that it would bring down the portion of medicaid costs that they bear. joining us, larry elder and
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larry eizenstat. great to see you tonight. we know that there will be some extensions at exemptions, primary caretaker for someone, alex, a lot of exemptions, but there's also a lot of pushback from the left not happy about this. representative colon says the trump administration's action is cruel and a clear violation of both medicaid statutes and long-standing congressional intent for waivers. they are not allowed to expand access, they are meant to allow to expand access, not to restrict it. >> look, this is one of the interesting things that happen today, there was all of this attention on -- >> shannon: everything else! >> this is a major story. this is a major policy change. what you are seeing is, the trump administration is pursuing some long-held conservative goals, changing america's health care kissed him, chipping away at the affordable care act
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of misses a big deal that is going to have a real impact on the lives of the lives of people that rely on medicaid going forward. >> there are things that will count. you can be volunteering, looking for a job, be in job training. all kinds of other things that will count toward this work requirement. >> i don't know why it is controversial. it is so typical of the left to move the goalpost as to what is acceptable behavior and what our social safety net is supposed to be that, it is supposed to be a safety net for those who can't help themselves. the american people are generous and kind and loving what we don't wanted to become a hammock where people hang out and rest. when we first set up these programs and were supposed to be for the people getting the exemptions, the elderly and the young and pregnant and things like that. not for people who are making up to four times the poverty level. when obamacare came in and expanding these benefits for people at that level, that was the rewriting of the original intent of medicaid. this is not the president mandating that states do this. he's allowing states to do this.
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let states do that, let's see if it works. i think most americans would like people who are getting a benefit to attempt to get a job. >> shannon: the administration says that this came to them from ten states who requested and said we want to have a chance to do this. the federal government has to sign off, they can't go willy-nilly. the administrator of the federal center for medicaid and medicare said this, "believing that community engagement requirements do not promote the requirements of medicaid is a tragic example of the soft bigotry espoused by the prior administration. those days are over." that is just not well received on the left. >> it's not. here's the thing, president trump campaigned on undoing large amounts of obamacare and that is exactly what he is doing as he's governing. it's interesting to watch and see how this year will continue to play up because as you get closer to the midterms, you will see the president come under a lot of pressure from those on
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the right to hold him to account and say, did you follow through on the campaign promises? is trying to do that right now. >> by the way, i am so confused, i try to remember the rhetoric from the left, when medicaid was expanded, we were told these were good, hardworking american people, they all had jobs but they don't get health benefits because of the corporations they work for that one provide them. why is this a problem? if they all have jobs but not health care, they will continue to get their medicaid, they just have to have have a job. >> shannon: we'll see how it plays out. if he does well, we'll imagine other states will get in on. if it doesn't, maybe not. gentlemen, good to see you both.
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>> shannon: you remember we told you about rome's charlie brown looking christmas tree. the the tree will be chopped down for souvenirs and also be turned into a hardware others
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can breast-feed their babies. most-watched, most grateful that you spent the evening with us. >> according to a source the president said, quote, why are we having all these people from blackhole countries come in here. >> other countries are not as good to live in as america? >> >> we thought it would be great

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