that over a car driven by jonas though. >> [laughter] i might be able to back up his scooter after 18 years i still have no idea what he says in predictions. dagen: i love you all we love our viewers charles is now. charles: unprecedented, remarkable, extraordinary, to some of the words used by the mainstream media to describe president trump's televised immigration meeting earlier this week. and despite some controversial comments at another meeting, deirdre bolton says this is public relations on immigration and this is what everybody should be talking about hello i'm charles p in for neil cavuto , to charlie gasparino, and adam lashinsky, deirdre it was remarkable something many people have never seen before. >> it was indeed and listen president trump understands the media. i mean, it's not a thing he had a very successful tv career and that was a great visual. it did get people talking and the problem is less than 24

hours later, we had some very vulgar language from him on a completely different topic, but even if we just want to look at that immigration issue, it was a very good visual by brass tax nothing got decided. charles: 55 minutes and here is what i liked about it charlie. everyone was able to speak their mind. it wasn't one of those meetings like the cabinet where everyone is flexing, you had folks like dick durbin saying this is what i like and don't like and president trump was listening. >> 55 minutes and he didn't say anything stupid which is maybe a record. charles: [laughter] listen it was a good meaning. >> i wouldn't go as far to say this was like watching hayley's comet go by but it was a good meeting. it showed the mainstream media was obsessed with the sort of notion or the i believe the lie that president trump is insane right after the michael wolff book came out. this just showed this and a couple other things showed he's not insane.

i don't agree with his comments. >> he's a little obsessed with it too. >> yeah, he says some outrageously dumb things, i'm there, but he is not insane. he handled himself really well in this meeting and it shows that if he puts his mind to it he can govern. charles: adam? >> so i don't think it shows anything. what we already knew about donald trump as charlie pointed out that he's a pretty good television performer and he was a very good television performer during this session. he in fact stuck to the script the whole time which was to appear presidential. once upon a time he promised that he would be presidential all the time and he needs to do it for more than 55 minutes. charles: i think, you know maybe president's idea of presidential is different than adams and he thinks he is the president so whatever he does by default is presidential and by the way, i'm not sure that that was scripted okay? it felt like to me more of a business meeting not a reality tv show where you bounce ideas off of each other and you try to come to some sort of conclusion and agreements.

ben: well i think everything that a tv personality has on tv take it from a person that's been a tv personality for a long time is scripted and to some extent at least it's scripted in your hand and you know what you want to say you know the impression you want to give and that's what mr. trump did, he knew the impression he wanted to contradict that mr. wolf's book and give the impression he was a thoughtful solid genius although i have the idea of a person describing himself as a solid genius is comical. i don't think he was einstein would describe himself that way. charles: very stable. ben: solid, stable, genius i don't think solid, stable, genius will go around. charles: but the fact of the matter is though, deirdre is that we have fun with this but it was a moment that i had not seen personally. i haven't really seen anything like that. >> no it was one of a kind. charles: i thought it helped president trump. i thought it helped the idea that maybe we'll get through

some of this bipartisan ship maybe we'll breakthrough that resistance barrier that the democrats have put up. >> i was right there with you charles i really was. okay this is impressive it did kind of calm the chatter about this michael wolff book and it did seem most people say like we hate congress because they're always fighting and not doing anything for the american people and it showed okay listen we have both parties sitting here around this table we're talking about this event that is very important to all of us which is with this looming deadline, how do we solve these immigration issues and spending issues i thought it was very strong. i think where i was personally disappointed was the 24 hours that followed with this kind of comments against some of the countries and the lottery programs that we're having and the name calling that again seem to just yank back to like a third grade school yard. charles: although ironically maybe that argues even more for the idea maybe all these meetings should be transparent. >> but they are. ben: that was what he did the

next 24 hours was terrifying it was not just upsetting but terrifying and we've got to really get mr. trump get his head around the idea he has to not only think he's president but act lick a president, he's got to think about f did are and think about eisenhower. >> his defenders are saying well , as ben brings up fdr and ronald reagan his defenders are saying well how about lvj and nixon? give me a break they're defend ing donald trump and lbj at nixon? >> even today haiti was loyal to the u.s. when we went in front of the u.n. but haiti actually, well norway voted against us so i just -- charles: i mean, but getting back to tuesday, because again, listen, we know we'll never get the sort of credibility that i think we should get in the mainstream media but the president trump did do the things you wanted him to do adam he did act the way you wanted

him to act and maybe he will do it again. ben: and he did it was a break, it was a giant breakthrough in many ways. i'm sorry adam for taking your time. sorry for taking your time adam. adam: clearly, president trump is capable of conducting a you know a mature adult responsible conversation and that's exactly what he did and yes, charles i think it's a wonderful thing. we should have more of it and the american people should get to see our leaders. charles: hold on a second you know, charlie, it always feels like when we have these conversations it's the exact reason of what the folks who voted for president trump want. they want the president trump that you guys seem to like. >> but they represent 35% of the population. charles: they represent enough of the population. >> wait a second a lot of people held their nose i know this for a fact and voted for trump because they couldn't deal with a criminal. charles: bottom line is he is in the white house. >> i understand that but don't tell me that the world loves

this stuff because most people -- charles: listen i'll articulate one more time and say that the people who voted for president trump the core voters love him. >> that's 30% of the population. charles: anyway, listen, donald trump is the president of the united states. that means somebody has to vote for him and those people who voted for him they still love him and they don't want him to hold the meeting adam the way you want him to hold it. they like the way he speaks, they think it's plain speak and they love it. it's not politically correct and they think those that behind behind that language for a long time. adam: i agree with you 100% charles which makes it so interesting that this guy whose, you know again i don't say this, but he is a performer and that's the performance that he chose to give. he gave a performance that i like you're right and you're 100 % right that the next day he goes and he performs the way his voters want him to perform and that's disturbing to me. >> by the way most people, i don't know what poll you're talking about, tell me polls

don't matter. most people don't like them. charles: guys guys i'm not talking about polls. i'm talking about the results of the election. that's all i'm talking about what cannot be disputed president trump won. >> that doesn't mean acting like a more on is like good. charles: no, listen. if you want to call him that that's fine but he is the president of the united states. >> i said he's acting like it sometimes. charles: i've got 30 seconds ben and i want to give you the final word on this. how do you see president trump being able to make his way through d.c. and is tuesday the right way in your mind to do it? ben: i think he did very well and unfortunate before i follow-up but i think he's doing it very well and i think he's a pioneer and i think we're going to remember him very very fondly charles: gentlemen and of course deirdre. you can bet that neil will be all over how the media covers next saturday when he launches hi new show cavuto live kicking it off live from our nation's

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given that they're physically able to, kentucky becoming the first state to make this happen. several other states already submitting proposals to implement the new requirements but critics say it's cruel but charlie you say this could actually help people? >> well it's called welfare reform we tried it back in the 1990s some great american mayors like rudy guiliani and a few others, it worked then. people who are getting government assistance working for that is not a bad thing. medicaid is government assistance and i don't think government should be in the business of just handing checks to people. i think that is, you know, earning a check goes a long way to helping you get back in to the private sector. i think it worked then and it works now. charles: deirdre the critics are saying someone is on medicaid receiving this they have a medical problem stopping them from working so you'll have someone whose medically unfit forcing them to work. this is what critics are saying.

>> yeah, indeed there are a lot of critics saying society has a responsibility which is more vulnerable which does include the ill, the injured, people who are pregnant, students, children so you have that and of course on the other side the fact that this is $400 billion every year as a part of our budget. i think at the end of the day what is being suggested and what is going to come to pass is probably not going to move the needle because i think something like 59% of medicaid recipients who can work are already working , so we're talking about a smaller group. that came from kaiser family foundation which is non-partisan charles: ben 10 states did request this kentucky is already implementing it and we know this medicaid is busting a lot of state budgets. ben: i think that its a wonderful idea to allow people to work if they are physically able. work makes people feel better about themselves and work makes people feel physically healthy

and mentally healthy and the idea of allowing people to do it not compelling them to do it but allowing the states to say give it a try and if it doesn't work out and makes you sicker then you don't have to do it any more but i think you'll find a lot of people are getting healthier not less healthy from doing it. charles: adam? adam: no one disputes any of that but that's the problem is it's not a question of saying this will be a good idea let's give it a whirl. the question is what do you do when they can't and are you going to make sure if they get care because that's what this is really all about. it's about a social safety net, so we have to have an honest political conversation you either want a social safety net or you don't. charles: would you agree adam people have abused the system? adam: of course. of course. all of these programs get abused >> adam i don't think anybody is saying people in wheelchairs need medicaid should be going outdoing construction work. there's a medium here. i mean this is a freebie. adam: what are they saying though?

>> maybe they can do something but this is a something okay? but this is epheboi. adam: let's encourage them to do something i totally agree. >> most people in wheelchairs want to do something. adam: i agree. >> it should be some sort of way that the person kicks into getting this. charles: deirdre we do know also that the trump administration is looking at even larger welfare reform as well. we know there's going to be a great pushback, even though bill clinton was famous for implement ing welfare, work to welfare worked out pretty well. >> i just want to underline even with what's being discussed now there are very clear exempted categories just so that doesn't get lost in translation so if somebody is actually ill, no one in theory is going to come knock ing on their door saying you should be working construction. if you're ill you're ill. charles: you know, ben, but there are a lot of people out there now who for lack of a better word have gotten so accustomed to this sort of aid, it's difficult for them to get off of and in fact, you know listen we've brought to welfare

some people are born cradle to grave. is there a responsibility of the government to break that cycle? ben: i think there is a responsibility. i mean, whose going to do it if not the person as a caretaker and it will be so good for people to start working. i'm not just concerned about the taxpayer although i am but i'm concerned about the mental health and stability, stable solid genius capabilities of people who are working, they're not working and getting handouts it's really bad for them. charles: adam i know you want to say something. adam: yeah, just that i wish that this weren't being linked to healthcare. i'm totally in favor of encouraging all people to work. i agree with everything everybody said about work being a good thing but we also need to make sure that everyone gets healthcare, period. charles: okay, let's leave it there. ben: absolutely right. charles: football fans may not have seen these images in a while but nbc says they will change during the super bowl. they're going to highlight any protests during the anthem on

the big day, is that the right move or the wrong move? we'll debate it, you decide.

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charles: you know its been a while since network televised those anthem protests but nbc says that's going to change if anyone takes a knee during the

super bowl. charlie is this a play to increase ratings? what's going on here? >> you know, i think that it's absurd and here is why. i've done some reporting on this the average nfl viewer is almost , it's almost the identical of the average trump voter. it's excused largely white male, skews largely with an income under $100,000 a year, it skews highly more military than the rest of the population and they also hate this one knee controverse chi is why and the nfl knows it they've crunched the numbers they know that part of the reason why viewership -- charles: why are they doing it? >> i don't know. the only thing i could think of is they're doing counter programming. they say they're going to show this, it's for the same reason why our ratings go up when people are cursing me out criticizing donald trump. charles: [laughter] clearly in this particular case because we know the ratings have come down we've seen photos of

the empty seats but in this case -- >> the super bowl is a unique kind of event i mean a hundred million people more or less watch so to me this goes even beyond football and may be less but it goes beyond the typical football fan. people watch because they want to see the advertisements. i mean, 100 million people and the anthem rightly or wrongly will be played, pink is going to sing it and it's before the game so if people really don't want to see this they can just wait a little longer. charles: people will be watching like popcorn the beginning of an old mike tyson fight looking for an early knockout, but ben why should nbc be this provocative, so -- ben: well because you just answered your own question, kind sir. provocative means controversy and controversy means people watch it and people are going to watch it and say those sob's will watch it then we'll turn it off and the nfl ratings are going down down down down down and maybe this is a system for

down down down. adam: i have a different perspective charles. charles: all right adam. adam: no i think it would be completely unamerican for them to not show it. i mean this would be something that the chinese or the old soviets would do. there's something meaningful happening on our program but we're not showing it to you because we don't want to upset you. charles: they haven't showed it in a while. >> the nfl is a business and long term this is a bad business decision and here is the irony here. lick i said i've done a lot of research on this the nfl in the past before 9/11 never showed players in the national anthem. players stayed in the locker rooms. roger goodell thought it would be a great marketing idea if he showed just how patriotic the nfl is by bringing him out. then, this thing backfired on him so it's really, listen the nfl is a huge marketing machine. it's a huge business, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

charles: quickly, dead re? is it good or bad move? >> well as far as the super bowl ratings is good more controversy equals more viewers. charles: guys thank you very much. adam: it's good for the country. charles: special thanks to deirdre and charlie up next nearly four in 10 gen x'ers don't think they can afford retirement but our guys have the stocks to help them and everyone retire early. from a lighting strike give me the same rush as being golfball-sized hail? of course not. but if you can stick to your new year's resolution, then i can stick to mine and be the best road flare i can... what? you couldn't even last two weeks? in that case, consider mayhem officially back. so get allstate. and be better protected in 2018 from mayhem. like me. ... started searching for her words.

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