to kelly in new york, but thank you so much. mike: breaking news from washington, now for continuing coverage we go to colleagues in new york. gillian: thanks. kelly: fox news alert, frightening false alarm for people in hawaii, thousands of people receiving an emergency alert on their phones just a short time ago, the warning heading, quote, ballistic missile threat inbound to hawaii, seek immediate shelter, this is not a drill. about ten minutes after the alert was sent out, hawaii congresswoman tulsi gabbard confirming it was fake. hello, everybody, i'm kelly wright. >> i'm laura ingel. hawaii has been beefing up

security measures. the state tested its warning sirens last year for the first time since the cold war. kelly: and we are joined now on the phone by foreign affairs journalist gordon chang, author of the book nuclear showdown u north korea takes over the world. gordon, good of you to join us today but a very bad and time for people that received warning on cell phones to take shelter, what do you make of this. >> this is a real concern. the reason is first of all the warning system obviously failed and the question that people are going to have to ask is whether it was hacked, if it was hacked but it hack bid foreign power. there are all sorts of issues that we are going to have to deal with. but this highlight the fact that the north koreans at this particular time can actually land a missile in the united states, the one thing they haven't been able to do is master heat shielding and guidance necessary to land a

weapon but, nonetheless, they are getting close, this a necessary wake-up for americans about what the north koreans can do should they want to. kelly: gordon, point of interest here, you had mentioned that it's possible that the system was hacked and oddly before we went on air, i asked producer, what would cause this kind of false alarm, could it be that there was cybersecurity and hack that took place. if that's the place, we can't cast dispersions to them but they would be a likely character in this. >> well, they certainly would be and they have very developed cyber capabilities. thort koreans against south koreans and tony pictures entertainment. they attacked sony and they

infill -- infiltrated data and north korea has improved capability since then. if this was, indeed, the north koreans, we have some big questions to ask, not only them but also the two countries that carry north korea's internet traffic that would be china and russia. kelly: we are getting record that this was an act of human error. if that is the case and it's one of human error, what does the united states have to do in order to protect our systems from human error like this that sends people fleeing in panic and albeit this be a false alarm which is a good thing but what do we do people who are operating at the fullest capacity with most accuracy and integrity? >> the important thing is systems haven't been used for a long time. obviously at this point, you know, they probably haven't had the practice, training and procedures for all of this. this is going to be an issue not

just for hawaii but for other american fatalities to have warning systems. kelly: i don't mean to interrupt, the base on that, based on what we have seen here today and what you've mentioned about, you know, we are out of practice, a little bit rusty on this, do you foresee a time based on the -- the apprehensions that we have about north korea that we could be going into a situation where we start having drills and having testings? >> well, you know, that's always possible. you know, for many americans including me that almost seems unconceivable right now. we have lived, of course, with a threat of chinese and russian equipment but they are stable states, the thing about north korea is we are not entirely sure the validity and whether kim jong un, the ruler has earned grip of full elements of the regime. so this is going to be something that we are going to face

because in the not too distant future he will be able to land nuke on the city of choice so we have to make sure that we can deter the north koreans and we have not had those deterrence discussions with north korea that we have had, of course, with the soviets and the chinese. kelly: so one of the things i want to bring up here as point of clarification, u.s. military and i'm quoting here, has detected no ballistic missile test to hawaii, earlier message was sent in error and state of hawaii will send out a correction message as soon as possible and that was from commander dave bennam, spokesperson for the u.s. command, lucas tomlison, producer and reporter there and chad from our capitol hill explained that members of congress who are from hawaii have also tweeted out information like representative

tulsi gabbard that this was false alarm. you can imagine the panic was going through hearts and minds of people that were living there in hawaii and people who visit there, this is one of the premier destinations in the united states as well as throughout the world and one can only imagine from what we understand might have been as much as 30 minutes. >> yes, and also the japanese have been receiving alerts as the north koreans have embarked missiles over the japanese islands. so we get to a point where this is going to become more and more an occurrence where alerts are sent out as north korea launches missiles. at some point they are going to have to perfect system, get much better at this, we haven't done this since cold war for good reason but nonetheless, we have to understand that it's not just north korea but other countries.

kelly: exactly, the question i was going to ask you since you're talking about north korea, yeah, we are aware of what's going on with north korea and kim jong un and his pension for developing and testing nuclear weapons, he has done it and testing before. the president has been tough with him, we do know that north korea and south korea have begun to have talks, albeit, they have not talked about this issue, we know that china has a role to play in quailing the appetite of north korea but the other country that one has to be concerned is and the other country to be brought up is iran. >> absolutely. iranians have paid north koreans 2 and a half billion dollars a year for forms of cooperation, we know that cooperation includes ballistic missiles because if you scrape the paint off of many of iran's missiles, they're basically north korea. whatever north korea can do, we

can be preyit sure within two years, three years, iranians will be able to do as well. kelly: for those tuning in and you play be wondering what gordon chang and our guest have been talking about, laura ingel, she's here as well. we started the top of the show with an alert that hawaii had received some sort of alert about a ballistic missile that was incoming, meaning that it's coming and going to approach and the alert stated that they needed to take cover and shelter immediately, we want to stress, we have to stress that this was a false alarm. our pentagon or members of military urging us that it was a human error, we are talking to gordon chang who is an expert of these types of situations as it relates to north korea, we do not know if it came from there. we do not know if it came from iran. gordon has been trying to, if you will, extrappulate and

things we could encounter in weeks and months ahead. gordon, we could see this happening again where we have more false alarms? >> yeah, it could very well occur. we need to do a lot more practicing and drilling. we have not -- we have been out of that business since the end of the cold war, but we know that the north koreans are threatening the united states because the north koreans actually said that they were going to land missiles within 30 to 40 nautical miles of guam, which is american territory. kelly: that's disturbing and you're talking about testing. i want to bring in my colleague laura ingel who is sitting beside me, laura, as gordon is talking, i'm reminded when i was a child, we had to go hide under the tables, under the school desks, remember those days? i'm thinking, are we getting back to that type of stage? >> we are going to that video, we are hearing those sirens

coming out and you can only imagine, hawaii is one thing and we have been talking about hawaii for a long time, imagine wherever you are watching us right now, new york, california or middle of the united states, this could have happen with anybody getting those alerts on your phone, you have weather system coming your way, same sort of thing and it said on the original and again we want to stress this was a false alarm, the original text message said, this is not a drill, imagine the fear, imagine 35 minutes of waiting to get that clarification and thinking about your children, the people that are around you, your elderly, getting them to safe location, that is what the people of hawaii and visitors of hawaii just went through, kelly. kelly: gordon, what laura just explained and you've explained it as well, but let's look at the bigger picture here. people in hawaii are conducting their normal lives, people in america conducting their normal lives, do we want to go back to a time, dark period of the cold

war era where we are also think ing thinking that we have to be more vigilant, if we see anything, we have to report anything. this could be leading to another dimension as you've stated where we have to start being aware of not only surroundings but what could be coming in from the outside? >> well, yes. the north koreans have threatened that. as i mentioned, they have threatened to put missiles near the shores of guam which is u.s. territory in the pacific. they now actually have a missile that can reach any part of the american homeland, they haven't perfected some of the other techniques that they would need to detonate nuclear device on american soil. kelly: last question, our military which is always practicing readiness and has capability has to be more ready than ever before and more

vigilant than ever before and quick to point out, gordon, that this was a false alarm. gordon chang thank you for joining us and sharing perspective on this false alarm that took place in hawaii, nonetheless u -- caused a lot of panic and a lot of afraid nerves for people receiving the first information of a terror alert and then hearing the sirens as laura and i were just talking about. we will continue to follow the story, gordon, thank you. >> what incredible afternoon. kelly: it never stops. >> we are following the information and incredible interview there as well and as we continue to follow this breaking news situation, again, we want to reiterate that this was a false alarm in hawaii when residents there and visitors, anybody who had a smartphone, a cell phone got this alert that there was an incoming missile and to seek shelter, the original message said, this is not a drill. so just let that sit with you

and imagine what that felt to look at. we want to bring in captain ben collins, u.s. army special forces, veteran, green beret. thank you for being with us and thank you for your service. >> thank you very much. >> you're on the phone with us now. i want to ask you, captain, your initial thoughts when you heard about this false alarm. >> so i actually was stationed in hawaii for a good number of years and i can say that i think people in hawaii certainly feel a lot more vulnerable, you know, there is still the history that goes back to, you know, the japanese attack and pearl harbor, in fact, you know, just for historical sake but many build that is we had on base actually still had bullet holes in the walls from that attack. so it speaks to the feeling you've got over million people there, they do have the sense of

vulnerability and the sense, you know, and i think it just points to the reality of the threat that, you know, this even though it was sent in as a mistake that so many probably at first read didn't think it was a mistake. >> sure. it was definitely put out there that this is not a drill and seek shelter. as we talk about and think about what's happening behind the scenes, obviously a lot of people are working to figure out exactly what happened, if this was a human error, somebody hit a button accidentally that sent it to phones or if somebody was able to hack into the emergency alert system and get this type of message out, you know, what are your thoughts on that because obviously there are a lot of people looking at the right now saying, look, the system has pob -- to be full problem, we have to make sure if this was human error this never happens again although you want people to be prepared and ready to act if something like this

were to ever happen. >> i think that's true. i think hawaii deals -- i remember the sirens that used to go out for tsunami warnings. at the end of the day, i think that this was a terrifying probably hard lesson to learn. this was a human error. it was a mistake, it was a human error, but as you said, we need to make sure that this does not happen again, but we are far from the days of duck and cover, right? staying underneath your desk. it's rehearsals for this kind of thing. on the one hand, i'm glad to see that they they are -- ability to send these types of alerts. the missile that is we have seen north korea test are different than the missile that is we have seen on parade.

somewhere 15 to 20 minutes a missile being detected and citizens able to get to safety. it's what comes after that as well. if there is an attack, you have to have hospitals and trauma centers and, et cetera, et cetera, and they have to drill. there's a need to drill, there's a need to be ready, you want to be prepared but you do need to make sure that you don't have something like this ever happening again, what a terrifying, terrifying experience for 15 minutes wondering what's about to happen to your loved ones. >> absolutely, we are getting reports, captain that there was a 35-minute, possibly a 35-minute gap in between the first alarm and then the correction that went out to let people know that it was a false alarm, that there was a mistake that was made. i want to get back to what you said about drilling and about the need for that and as we move forward in the story we will move forward rapidly, what would the people in hawaii and the people of america really need to know about being prepared and doing these types of drills,

kelly referenced that with gordon chang, we used to do it as children, that something that we see in the future and how often should the drills take place? >> well, so the -- again, preparation is key. i think that -- that, you know, certainly the government has a responsibility and, you know, so do we as citizens have a responsibility to be prepared, you know, i'm not suggesting that we all need to go out and start digging the old cold war bunkers in the the backyard but this is a serious threat and if they do it with the same severity that they do with tsunami warnings where everybody understands what the drill is, it's probably similar on what actions we ask the citizens to take in terms of finding cover, getting inside, getting indoors,

getting to a place of safety, but i think it's also, you know, the distinction here is there would be a tremendous amount of civil military coordination that would have to work in terms of hospitals and medical care and emergency teams and how they deploy and we have seen some of that for chemical and biological stuff, if you go back a few years, post 9/11, big uptick in rehearsals being done. and so i certainly assume and certainly hope that the civilian officials as well, hospital staff, you know, in terms of food, emergency, red cross, all that stuff has to ironed out and actually gone through a drill to make sure that if this actually happens, so if there is silver lining in this, it'll be interesting to be able to look through what occurred in that

35-minute time span so really understand, you know, if what did actually happen. >> right. >> did people take the alert seriously, i think that would be an indicater of how prepared we really is because we just had a a live drill-nondrill so to speak. >> right. interesting to see videos, i'm sure we will get images of people in the street, what it looked like in hawaii on the big island when this occurred. again, if you're just joining us, the people of hawaii received a false alarm a short while ago indicating there was an incoming missile to seek shelter, it was not a drill. it turned out to be a false alarm, thankfully, thank god and there was a correction send out, we are trying to digest it now and figure out exactly how it happened and what will be done next. captain collins, i want to thank you for your time in joining us at fox news. kelly: laura, as you were

talking i was following what's going on in twitter, this was my phone when i woke up just now explaining what they saw and that was ballistic missile threat, i'm in honolulu, hawaii and my family in north shore, they were hiding in the garage. my mom and sister were crying. it was a false alarm but bolting -- i'm sorry, i misread that, betting a lot of people are shaken and u.s. pacific command tweeted as well. u.s. pacific command has detect nod ballistic missile threat to #hawaii, alert message was sent in error and false alarm and congresswoman tulsi who represents hawaii wanted to say, this is false alarm, there is no incoming missile with hawaii. i have confirmed with officials,

there's no incoming missile. getting back to mom and sister hiding in the garage crying, that's a nightmare situation for that family and other families, so on the phone right now, i was just talking about her and we have been allude to go her and her tweet is hawaii congresswoman tulsi gabbard. good of you for joining us today, bad time, what happens next to allay the fears and make sure we don't have a situation like this occurring again where it's a false alarm? >> aloha, we are still working to try to get the word out and making sure that everybody in hawaii has gotten the message that this was, indeed, a false alarm. as soon as i was able to -- as soon as i heard of the alert, i immediately called hawaii's state officials confirmed that there was actually no incoming ballistic missile to hawaii, that it was a false alarm and

started getting on the phone, tweeting it out, getting the message out to hawaii local media as quickly as possible and i was able to reach them before they had gotten any other word in many cases. so we are still trying to make sure that people actually know what happened and we are starting to get to the bottom -- working to get to the bottom of what actually happened and why the message went out mistakenly. >> well, you know this probably caused fear, a young lady talking about mother and daughter actually crying and hiding in the garage, so as you move forward there's, yes, there's the relief of knowing that this is a false alarm but how you prepare people to overcome this and move on and put it behind them and yet be prepared and be vigilant for the possibility in this crazy world that something like this could,

in fact, happened. >> well, this is the stark reality that the people of hawaii face and what it's going to be like if that nuclear strike, that missile comes to hawaii. you know, cell phones all across the state, over a million people of hawaii got alert saying a ballistic missile is heading your way, take shelter, this is not a drill. so what they have just gone through is the immediate reality of knowing that they've got 15 minutes to take shelter, where, where can they take shelter where it would protect them and their families from a nuclear bomb coming their way. this comes to the failure of the country's leaders for decades that have put hawaii and this country in this position today that the people of hawaii just went through today, the stark reality. kelly: given what you have just said and given the facts of what

just happened, in my mind and a lot of people that are in defense and in congress and even the president of the united states, it makes one think how tough do you need to be with north korea, how tough should one be with iran who these are countries that pose a nuclear threat to the united states and we've heard kim jong un say many times that he is developing missile that will have capability of reaching the united states, so at this juncture based on what happened here, albeit a false alarm which is a great thing, what do you say in terms of moving us forward in the posture of readiness and vigilance and having to resolve and say to north korea, stop it, end it, let's get this done. >> well, first of all, one thing that i've been calling for for a very long time is those for direct talks to actually happen

between the united states and north korea, between president trump and kim jong un so that we can -- we can deescalate and ultimately reach that objective of eliminating the nuclear threat from north korea. iran doesn't have north korea weapon, north korea does. this is the reality that people of hawaii faced for quite some time. this is not far off potential possibility in the future. this is a very real thing. there's no time to waste. previous administrations both democrat and republican have failed to take this rising threat seriously bringing us to the position that we are in today and these administrations said time and again, well, we won't talk to north korea because, you know, we won't talk to them until they get rid of nuclear weapons, they have all the precondition thats that aret realistic and it's continuing with this administration today, president trump is not taking the threat seriously as the

people of hawaii have just gone through, the reality of what this really is. he needs to engage directly, talk directly with north korea so that we can remove this nuclear threat, so that we can achieve and make it so that my family and families in hawaii and families across the country are not going to have to go through what the people of hawaii just went through, not have to live with the reality of this nuclear threat. kelly: congresswoman, have you had the occasion to speak directly to president trump as you know he's been extremely tough with regard to rhetoric about kim jong un and north korea, he's been extremely tough and south korea leadership even thanked him for his toughness because it led, they believe, to talks, the first talks in two years between the north and the south in terms of preparing for the winter olympics, but have

you been able -- haddockation to talk to -- had the occasion to stress to the president what you stated here? >> i met with president trump a couple of weeks after he won election back in 2016, talked about a number of different threats to the country including this threat to the people of hawaii and this country from north korea, i have not spoken to him directly since, however, i've made it clear time and again to members of his administration and speaking out publicly about the need for direct talks without preconditions with north korea to find a peaceful negotiated outcome to remove this iran nuclear threat, the time for posturing and maneuvering and all the other things, this has been going on for far too long, they have to sit across the table from each other and figure this thing out to remove this threat.

>> have you been able to speak to hawaii governor and what response has the state of hawaii had in terms of this human error that took place to put out the false alarm, you stated earlier at the top of interview that an investigation was going on, that you would find out what happened, so while we can talk about north korea and cybersecurity and hacks and all of that, there's still responsibility that we ourselves have to make sure that we are acting fit and proper in terms of how we handle our nuclear prep -- preparedness, have you received response from the state and the governor? >> it's been an hour since the alert went out and i have spent all of that time getting the word out to the people of hawaii that this is not a real threat, that this is a false alarm, i will be reaching out to the governor and to civil defense officials in hawaii to figure

out exactly what happened, what went wrong, how this occurred and make sure this never happens again. kelly: congresswoman, you're a human being, these are your constituents, the constituents are your people -- >> this is my family. kelly: this is your family. >> this is my constituents, this is my home, this is -- yeah. to say that this has been -- anyway. this isn't about me. it's about making sure the people of hawaii are safe. kelly: i'm not trying to make it about you, i'm trying to get to the core, you representing your family, you representing the people of your state and let'sing us -- letting us know what it feels like to go through this, wake up and see on your cell phone the initial alert saying, an incoming ballistic missile, take cover, find shelter, i'm a father, and i'm a husband. my first reaction would be, oh, my god, what do i do with my family and as i read from one

tweet, that's exactly what happened to one woman who woke up to tweet and found mother and daughter hidden the garage. >> that's exactly the reality of the people of hawaii just went through. that is the stark reality of saying, how do i keep my family safe, where do we go, where do we find shelter, where do we find shelter that will protect us from a nuclear bomb, from this incoming missile and the answers to those questions just is they aren't there, and so again, this is the stark reality, if you want to talk about readiness and all the other things, this is the reality that for people of hawaii face. if the people of this country had gotten through what they just went through, they would be just as angry as i am. kelly: yeah, i want to bring in my colleague laura ingel, congresswoman, i'm appreciative that you have been able to talk to us on the phone and our hearts go out to people there,

the great thing that this is a false alarm, we must stress this, this is a false alarm. nonetheless it has a serious false alarm in the fact that it caused panic and caused people to run for cover and we are on the phone for those of you just joining congresswoman tulsi gabbard and laura ingel. >> that people were panicking, cars were screeching, no one knew what to do, there was real fear and real terror, another person writing, 35 agonizing minutes, 37 minutes, somebody else -- kelly: doesn't really matter. >> you just know it was over 30 minutes and somebody also wrote on twitter, imagine if it happened in weekday in say, new york, or california, like imagine what that would look

like wherever you are watching us right now, what that would feel like, what you would do, where you would go, who would you call, how would you react, that is what is starting to sink in as we start to wrap our heads what the people in hawaii and the visitors of hawaii have been dealing with today, kelly. kelly: congresswoman, are you still with us? >> yeah. kelly: what's the population of hawaii? >> just over 1.3 million. kelly: 1.3 million people and all of that you -- the fact that so many people have cell phones you would imagine that the majority of those people received this text only to -- well, we still don't know the time, 30, 35 minutes later to find out it was a false alarm. one could certainly understand as laura was talking about the tweet that is came in describing for us just how much a panic there was and you yourself saying that you're angry. i have to ask you, why are you angry. >> i'm angry that the people of hawaii went through this today in the first place.

i'm angry that we are as people, as country sitting in the position due to failure of past leaders where a false alarm, a mistaken alert like this is not something that can be brushed off because the reality of the threat exists. this very well could have been a real alert. and the people of my home state of hawaii would have been left freaking out wondering where could they possibly find shelter from incoming nuclear attack from north korea. this is something that leaders in the country have not taken seriously for far too long as disservice to people of my home state and people of the country. there is no more time to waste. that is the bottom line and i hope the rest of the people in this country can understand what our families in hawaii just went through today, what they are still reeling from and urge leaders in this country, urge president trump to take action,

to engage with north korea directly, talk to him, find a way to denuclearize so that we don't have to deal with the reality of this threat, so that no one else has to go through what the people of hawaii went through this morning. kelly: congresswoman tulsi gabbard, very sobering thoughts from you congresswoman and understandable and from laura and myself, we are comforted in knowing that this was a false alarm but we certainly hear you loud and clear and we this the rest of the nation understands your concern and your anger and your plea for getting it together and dealing with north korea. thank you. >> thank you. kelly: all right. >> all right, kelly, we want to bring jonathan, former communications director at the u.s. mission to the un, friend of ours at fox news. thank you for being here today. >> pleasure being here.

>> i want to get your first initial reaction to when you saw just what we all saw on our phones mere on the mainland that there was a false alarm in hawaii and you could imagine right away what people were going through, what were your initial thoughts, jonathan? >> it's sad to say, but sort of a thought of it's a matter of time until you would have something like this happen, i mean, obviously a false alarm like this is completely unacceptable and we have to get to the bottom of what transpired here and make sure that our systems are tight and capable of pulling off what they're supposed to do for the public. there's obviously a major problem here. but what it is is a stark reminder as the congress was saying that we have a couple of crises happening right now that are utterly dangerous. we have a north korea that is perfecting getting nuclear weapons on into intercontinental ballistic missiles and hawaii just like japan and the japanese, by the way, for months now have been dealing with air

raids, they have been dealing with the fear of having a north korean missile fall out of the sky and hit them, hit one of shipping vessels out of sea where missiles have come down. >> absolutely. what do you foresee happening in the coming weeks or coming days, reactions to this, as the congresswoman said the reality of the threat is real and no time to waste, what do you expect in next few weeks and days? >> hopefully this will cause more impetus to move things along to try to get a settlement with the north koreans is at all possible.

other parts of the world because of erratic behavior. development of nuclear weapons to ensure survival of regime. hopefully we will get more traction in the united nations d problem between our two nations time to resolve this. there are positive signs that we have seen with the south koreans and talking about the olympics but that's small potatoes in terms of what we are dealing with in terms of threat to citizens. >> thank you so much for being with us today to discuss these matters, we will talk to you soon. >> thank you.

kelly: as we continue to follow the developments of breaking story out of hawaii and that's the fact that they received a false alarm about an attack, ballistic missile coming in to strike and people to take shelter. we want to hear from resident alex michaels, alex, where do you live in hawaii? >> i'm on the west side, so we are over in hawaii. kelly: tell me what you encountered this morning. >> it was probably about 8:00 o'clock, early morning, and was laying in bed and my wife frantically comes running showing me the phone saying that there's a ballistic inbound and there was not a false -- not a false alarm but drill. so we kind of let it sink in for a moment and started texting all of our friends because we are in

an area where a couple of months ago when the hawaiian newspaper here knew it was area and started texting friends and got scary when a particular friend of ours, a few of them who live on base didn't have any clear-cut notice or understanding of the situation and when they, you know, didn't really have any answers for us either other than they were told to go west as well. we sat back and waited for directions. kelly: you waited for direction, so was there a sense of not knowing you turn to left or seek cover somewhere and was there any sense at all and how long did it go on before you found answers? >> probably -- from the get-go,

i think try to stay calm because obviously something like that you can't do anything other than hide and cover so it was try to get our thoughts gathered in a way that we could go about it. it was probably about an hour until we finally got the okay to say that this is just a drill and even yet, there's still a little bit of speculation, well, is it, was it a glitch, it's uncertainty of -- it doesn't really feel very comfortable right now for a beautiful someday it is. kelly: yeah, even now i sense that you're still nervous and there's some sense of unease there. the governor who has been meeting with the state department of defense as well as the hawaii emergency management agency to determine what caused this morning's false alarm and

prevent it from happening again. here is governor, i'm thankful this morning's alert was a false alarm, the public must have confidence in our emergency alert system. i am working to get to the bottom of this so we can prevent an error of this type in the future. you know, if you do in places like israel, false alarm, human error, it could be punishable by law. they take this very seriously because they live in area where they are constantly in possibility of war or strikes from missiles. what do -- what type of protivity would you like to see your state government take resulting from today's false alarm? >> well, i think first and foremost the important thing is to restore the relationship with the public and restore that trust because, you know, it's the old story of the boy who cried wolf, what's going to

happen when it does go off and it's not a drill and you have population saying, maybe it is, it was last time and then, you know, that's just something that god forbid never ever happens, but i think they have to restore -- they are going to have to restore the trust in the public and then implement any type of -- they have to cut down on the system, something has to go on because it's not something to be taken lightly especially just in recent weeks and months of the tensions that are going on. it's something that we live in. we have that sense, i guess, it's always there with us, living in hawaii, the closest state technically to all the tension that's going on, when something like this kind of goes on, it's hard, unsettling because we live in a constant fear but we still go on with our lives. kelly: alex, i think you've

stated it very well. we go on with our lives and that's what all americans do, we go on with our lives. the threat is real and we go through the whole complete pandamoniam but what you stated was clearly, have the restoration of trust. thank you, sir. >> and as we move on we want to bring you up to speed, we are continuing to monitor the situation in hawaii today with a false alaw firm that -- a false alarm that went out to residents, any visitors or anyone who had a phone that could receive saying that there was inbound missile to take cover, it was not a drill, 30-minutes plus past before people were told that it was not a false alarm, now as people are trying to get to the bottom of it, we are also trying to talk

to some lawmakers and figure out exactly what has gone on, kelly, as we move forward with the afternoon trying to get more information and looking back, you know, november 2017, hawaii did in fact, bring back the cold war era nuclear sirens and trying to get some of that tape in and will bring that to you shortly after the break. you hear the sirens, you can imagine running out in the street as many people are reporting they did. a lot of people didn't know what to do, what does take shelter mean exactly to you. that's something that people are trying to figure out. we will be right back after this. and the wolf huffed and puffed...

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white house official, the president has been briefed on the state of hawaii's emergency management exercise, this was purely a state exercise. let's bring in jonathan, former communications director at the u.s. mission to do un. jonathan, what do you make of that? >> it's oo early to make judgment calls, we have to really figure out what's groining on here because speculation can cause a lot of disruption and confusion and we need to really, really get to the bottom. this is not a trivial matter. you have to get this right, we have to figure out what went wrong here and figure out whether that, indeed, was a message prepped by the government in terms of circumstances like this and what gets sent out and whether there was a hack, a lot of conspiracy out there, really don't want to rush any conclusions here. kelly: but the fact that the white house is stating that it was an exercise, at least that's

what's being told and we heard from people on the ground right there in hawaii, including the congresswoman tulsi gabbard who was outraged that this happened in the first place, we have to get to the bottom of this. >> yes, we do. look, you don't do a test on the general public of hawaii, 1.3 million people. kelly: alerting them. >> it should have been internal thing. somehow the system has run into some sort of problem here and it cannot happen like that and, of course, the government is not going to do something irresponsible to run a test on the entire hawaiian population in a way that would cause chaos, all of this has to be worked out, perhaps, indeed, as you're hearing, the intent was to do a test but obviously this has been completely mismanaged. kelly: okay. grant you that and we will -- obviously we will get more details as we follow the

developments of this breaking story but now we are getting caught in the fog or the information that's coming from official perspective and so we the people, particularly the people living there in hawaii, their hands are tied. they don't know what's going on. they know that this has been a false drill, but again, getting to the point of what the congresswoman talked about, it's still makes her angry with the fact that this took place in the first place because of what's going on in the larger picture with the threat and tensions with north korea. >> kelly, it's multiple problems here. one is you want to have a full safe system in which the public can feel confident that if there is, indeed, a crisis, that they will be alerted and there's a system in place to help them. they don't want to be in a position in which you do have a false alarm like this, the sky is falling and everybody panics, that serves no purpose.

what we can learn -- there are a lot of things we can learn from this. you know, i'm optimist by nature and we will figure out what happened here, obviously there's going to be tremendous scrutiny on trying to figure out what went wrong, how the mechanism fell apart, whether there was outside interference or not or stupid human glitch or an electronic glitch that caused this, all of this has to be fixed. we are going to get to the bottom of what went wrong here and thankfully it wasn't a missile fired so we can deal with this and allow saner minds and rational minds come together and grapple with the problem and safeguard us in a better way. so that's all the positive stuff, dealing with the immediate of how to deal with this, i can understand the dismay of the hawaiian people, i can understand the dismay of the representatives who are out there to protect their very people, again, there's a

reminder that's overriding threat hanging over our heads, icbm capabilities of north korea as they themselves have boasted and are capable of hitting anywhere in the united states and if they can get a nuclear payload on one of the icbm's, we, we, meaning all americans, no matter where we are, are potentially within range of what could be the catastrophic situation. kelly: again, i go back to congresswoman tulsi gu abbard who went onto say that the president has to be tough and firm and he's been that way in terms of rhetoric with kim jong un, but she went onto say that he must seek direct talks with north korea and get this resolved. what do you say? >> direct talks would be wonderful, if we could sit down and have rational discussions with north carolina -- north

korea. obviously it's not so easy, you have a country that's terrified of the united states and threatening the united states and capable of doing things, i mean, kim jong un has been absolutely horrific to his own people let alone threatening the american people. he's all about his own survival and the survival of his support team and cronies and ensuring longgevity of north korean team. we have to obviously cautiously be prepared to take whatever action we need to take as a country to defend ourselves and our citizens and at the same time try as best as we can to figure out a diplomatic way to get through this whether it's back-channel discussions, whether it's trying to coach them into something beyond what's going to happen with the warming of relations with south korea over trying to get into

the olympics. kelly: the discouraging element would be the fact that russia' leader, vladimir putin, has praised kim jong un, and so that pussed him up and cause him to do more in provocative actions. >> the more that he thinks kim jong un he has someone covering his back he will pull up antics, try to get concessions out of the americans or frighten the american people and put pressure on president trump. yes, it's unhelpful to have vladimir putin saying anything uncomplementary of kim jong un. this is not a person that you hold up in greatest steam. this is a murderrist regime that

is starving people to run this nuclear program. there's nothing positive to say about the man. kelly: it's a saturday afternoon and we are talking about north korea stemming from a false alarm underscoring how much tension there is. >> that's right, kelly. >> all right, we have got to go, we will be right back after the break, stay with us as we continue to bring you the latest on the false alarm of hawaii's situation, we will be right back. stay confident for over 80 years. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence.

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a frightening false alarm for people in hawaii. thousands of people receiving an emergency alert on their phones a short time ago. the warning reading quote - ballistic missile threat inbound to hawaii. seek immediate shelter. this is not a drill. about 35 minutes after the alert was sent out, white congresswomen confirmed the warning was faith. >> hawaii emergency official said that the alert was in fact an error but it is unclear how or why it was sent out. hawaii has been beefing up security measures and advising nuclear threats with north korea. the state tested its warning sirens last year for the first time since the cold war. the white