>> thanks for joining us today. >> be 22 starts right now. we'll see you back here tomorrow, maybe for a full hour. >> harris: fox news alert, we are awaiting the arrival of the president of connex on at the white house now. president trump expected to welcome him shortly. this is the point where we normally see that moment, that photo op. they will make joint remarks before they head to a working lunch. we are watching and bring you the latest developments as they happen. and this, lawmakers and the white house say they will continue to try to hammer out a deal to protect dreamers from deportation after a very contentious past week as you know. fox news alert on this, a lot of work to do on capitol hill, but time is running short as you know to reach a deal on immigration and to avoid a government shutdown. democrats are threatening to withhold support for a budget

bill if there is no plan in place to protect from deportation hundreds of thousands of immigrants who brought through illegally as children. a suspending deal is not reached on friday, the government shuts down. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, sandra smith. cohost of after the bell on fox business, melissa francis. republican strategist and fox news contributor lisa boothe. and joining us also from a f began, also from after the bell, also usually next to melissa francis, david has been is here. >> melissa: my television husband is joining us. it is lovely to see you. >> lisa: i feel like we need to switch seats. >> harris: you are outnumbered outnumbered. >> david: always. we love working together. i know you hear that from everybody on tv but in this case, it's true. >> harris: my heart is so warm. let's chill it off, shall we?

lawmakers in the white house say they will continue to try to get a deal to protect dreamers from deportation after that meeting and all the things that have happened in the past week. all this as homeland security secretary kiersten nielsen is on capitol hill testifying before the senate judiciary committee. lawmakers are asking her a lot of questions including about the border wall and dreamers. >> it is our position to find a permanent solution. we are not interested in addressing this through piecemeal, year after year renewals, anything less than a permanent solution. >> would you be willing to work with us in that regard? >> absolutely. >> harris: an agreement on the way to protect dreamers from being deported. still front and center. democratic senator dick durbin pointing a finger at the president for not making a deal. >> the president challenged us in his cabinet meeting to come up with a bipartisan agreement to solve the problem, and we had four major elements in it. we did everything he asked. we presented it to him on thursday.

it is the only bipartisan agreement that has been brought forward and we spent four months putting it together. so we met the president's criteria. remember at one point when he said whenever you send me, i'll sign. i'll take the political heat on this. we showed up thursday with a bipartisan bill and presented to him and it was a much different story. >> harris: white house press secretary sarah sanders says the president does not want to sign a bad deal and she says democrats just want to hand him no victory. >> i think democrats don't want to see this president be successful. you have win after win after win with this present and they don't want to hand him another one. he doesn't want to just sign something with the sake of signing something for it he wants to sign something that actually makes our country better, makes our country stronger and makes our country safer. >> harris: sanders also sang white house chief of staff john kelly is going to the hill today or tomorrow to meet with lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle to talk about immigration. it's so interesting, david, that you got senator durbin they were

saying the president won't give us a deal but then you have things being repeated from a private meeting that have become the distraction. >> david: the point of that distraction i think is the democrats point. i really honestly do not think they want a deal on daca, on the budget, and a whole range of things. what they are focused on right now is what happens nine months from now which is the election in november. and the key to winning back the house which is what they desperately want is to focus on this president as a liar, as a man who is dangerous to the country, as a racist, whatever church you want, that's their single focus. that strategy was derailed on tuesday one week ago today with that open door meeting at the president had that showed him as a very reasonable, understanding president who is willing to negotiate with everybody in public. it belied the image of him that has been put forth by democrats that they want to present as the reason why this country is going

down the hole. >> sandra: how have we come so far so fast? the president is not to blame for that himself, right? he changes the conversation a lot by what he tweets and says in sort of derails the optimism may be that that meeting did create. so why are we so far from that moment early part of last week? >> david: i think it's because the democrats have a single focus and that's to win back the next election. they care more about winning that election. in their mind, they think if they control the house, the senate, and possibly in 2020 the white house as well, the country would be a better place. i'm sure they believe that deep in their hearts but the point is right now, these protestations by senator durbin and all the rest of them that they really want to be -- the president is the obstacle. we saw week ago that the president wasn't an obstacle and as he was totally doing that just for the cameras, i think what has changed is their perception and their attempt to

present to the public an image of the president is a crazy man, which we saw he wasn't. >> harris: so the comp locating factor now is you have the secretary of dhs, homeland security now and some of her questions that have come from the lawmakers particularly democrats have been about what the president did or didn't say. underlying all of it and above all of it like a sandwich is the fact that we have real issues to work through the next 72 hours or beyond. >> lisa: absolutely. i think as democrats particularly senator durbin were focused on addressing the real issues, the focus of this hearing wouldn't be on what comments were allegedly made by the president. i also think if dick durbin was really that concerned about striking a deal when president trump met with him in good faith and bringing a bipartisan group of members together to address this very issue, he wouldn't have gone public with these alleged comments either. there are some real issues that they need to deal with both the daca program itself which is inherently flawed in the sense

that it's self reporting. i can say i've been here since a child. we don't know someone's been here from a child or not with the program. and if we don't address the illegality at the border, the court have to continue to deal with more daca recipients and people who were brought here illegally. there are some real issues that we need to address. >> harris: in the hearing was interesting because it wasn't just about daca and the illegality, i was about cyber security and so on. melissa, before i come to you, going is what the screen right now because as i mentioned, the leader of kazakhstan is in the united states and moments ago entered the white house with the president. this is the point that photo op that is so traditional before leaders will meet, so this video has come into us we just want to show you the president greeting the president of kazakhstan as he walks in. there will be a lot of issues that they will talk about with regard to national security. some of those are boilerplate issues that you have with a good relationship with and of course, so do a joint meeting and we

will report those news nuggets as we get them from that meeting as they enter the white house. so melissa, on this idea and we've all been watching this hearing today with the homeland secretary. on this idea of trying to revisit what happened last week, some of the things that can come up or what happened in that public 55 minute meeting because those of the deal points that i would think would carry you forward outside of that private meeting. >> melissa: i'm glad you brought that up because it's frustrating me to think back and i would but it's very frustrating to our audience that they are not that far apart. they had gotten so much closer and is difficult for me to believe that there very far apart now. for example, you heard the president's off into that border wall system. and he said repeatedly at least seven times when we were listening and counting, of course, i'm not talking about a wall that is the distance of the country from end to end. there's plenty of places where you don't actually need it, where you have natural barriers, talking about a border wall

system. that something that democrats have embraced as well that we just need more border security. if they really care about the security of keeping people here who have been because they say brought against their will, they'd be willing to spend money on border security, and i think that republicans are willing to come to the table on some sort of deal that maybe doesn't give daca children. >> harris: i think it was senator lahey who was making this point that he remembered what was sent back on the campaign trail. >> melissa: he went back. >> harris: we artie had the president's words in the last 48 hours or so. which if you look at the border of the united states, it's much longer than 722 miles. so the president has already said which is going to fence line. >> lisa: you can go back to who thousand six with the secure fence act. democrats voted for the physical border along with southern border.

this is something that senator dianne feinstein has, senator chuck schumer. >> harris: that talk has gotten shorter as you just said. >> melissa: there closer. >> harris: so why not just -- speaker can i mention one other thing that i think is so important i got a personal experience with this because my wife is from one of those helpful countries that lindsey graham which talked about south of the border, she's from nicaragua. they come here, they work hard but the system that they have there is hellish. it's a terrible system, it keeps people repressed, under developed. my sister-in-law has managed to create about 12 businesses in nicaragua where she speaks perfect english, has an mba, cpa. she's been trying to get a green card into this country for ten years and has been unable to. if we had a merit based system, people like her who could come here and add to her economy, great businesses, hire people, improve our entire nation both economically and socially,

people like that would be given a better chance. i hope we don't lose sight of how important it is to go to a merit based immigration system. >> sandra: just goes to whether or not democrats want to get a deal done and to go back to your original point, there are roadblocks set up everywhere that they just do not want to give this president another victory. >> harris: we will move on. steve bannon is on the hot seat. have you heard? what we can expect as a former trump confit out and top white house advisor for the first time answers lawmakers qua investigation. when president trump who announces his awards for the so-called fake news happens tomorrow he says. as one of his top are public and critics in the senate is expected to issue a sharp rebuke. this is a fight the president wants? does he need it? will talk about it.

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>> sandra: fox news alert, steve bannon on the hot seat. the former white house chief strategist meeting with the house intelligence committee behind closed doors on the russian investigation. this is the first time steve bennett will be answering lawmakers questions about possible collusion between russia and the trump

presidential campaign. he will face questions over his comments in that explosive white house tell-all. bennett described donald trump juniors tower meeting today with russians is treasonous. attending that meeting, forward campaign chair paul manafort. lawmakers also expected to question steve bannon when his relationship with former campaign manager george papadopoulos. they want to know if you wore a wire during private conversations in order to help you lose probe. also house until this week, khoi lewandowski and hope hicks. and demented justice department divisional raid meanwhile, fox news has confirmed a subpoena was issued last week for steve bannon to appear before a grand jury. they expect that in the end, there was a possibility been and will simply be interviewed by robert mueller's office rather than appear before a grand jury. to david as been on all of that.

>> david: there is a lot. first of all, you have two separate investigations. the special counsel going about things its own way. clearly, doesn't seem as least as far as we know to be interested in russian influence in the trump dossier, that's a whole line of questioning that frankly is a greater interest to me than what hasn't been proven that is collusion between the trump white house and russia. but then you have the congressional investigations and those are pretty open-ended because you have both democrats and republicans bring in witnesses whether it's been in or matter for it, whatever happens to be. it's true that mueller has four charges that he's been able to enter so far. two have been implied to be general flynn and papadopoulos. the other two, paul manafort and his former aide are still pleading not guilty. but there do seem to be some possibilities of whether papadopoulos had a wire and whether he got more was able to tickle out any more information

from trump people on russia but my focus is really on the congressional investigation because i think that's far more open-ended, it's more bipartisan, and we are going to hear about both the influence of russia and the democratic and republican committee. we do there's a lot we want to learn about any meddling by the russians in our election. you just wonder how close is all of this going to get to the midterms? how much is is going to dominate the headlines in the conversation? >> lisa: you will see. i think certain congressional candidates and members can try to talk about the issues that voters actually care about but you mention the russian meddling. when the last time we heard anything about what congress is doing to try to address the issue? what changes we want to make to try to prevent that from happening? all that is being discussed in the allegations, things to deal with president trump, the meeting that don jr. had got so much scrutiny attention and then we find out that the dnc and

hillary clinton were playing forces for information. so i'm really curious in finding out what role the dossier had in shaping the special counsel investigation as well as the public narrative that we have had about the russia-trump allegations of collusion. >> melissa: we are never going to find out any of that. i know you need a flow chart and it then diagram in order to separate all the people and everything that's going on. we do want answers, but at the same time when you get answers, it seems like there's no consequences. and like you said, they are talking about the president's son potentially sitting down because he wanted information. at the same time, there is a firm with russia ties who was paid to invent information. things seem like they're not even comparable. each site is focusing on what they like and not the same time, feels like no one is paying any sort of a price, and it's all getting muddled. >> sandra: will be learn anything from steve bannon?

>> harris: i do think this will be the first time that we hear him ask about on the record that were treasonous that he learned that trump tower. it will be important to get his response to that on record because they have been certain things that he has denied from the salacious book that came out by michael wolf and certain things that he has not. to become an it's one of the only reasons why he talked to him that has anything to do with the russian investigation. >> david: is not necessarily russian involved with the election. the uranium when investigation was a very important indictment this week of a man who was involved in transporting nuclear material from the united states. he's a u.s. citizen, 11 count indictment. remember the whole thing with uranium one was that there was a deal. when the deal was made, you get 20%. the russia company gets 20% of our uranium but you can't transport it out of the u.s.

there are signs now that he did. the guy was indicted for the transport company apparently moving some of this uranium out of the country. >> harris: steve bannon can give you a lot of information, he also was not at that meeting with donald trump jr. i don't know how much will get from him on this count but you can understand why that's what they want him in the room for. >> sandra: got to leave it there and we are going to get more honest when the president's former campaign manager cory lewandowski who is it fair to talk to the house intelligence committee today. he will be sitting down with harris during overtime coming up next hour. he will not want to miss that. president trump and slamming the mainstream media yet again one day before he is set to announce the winners of his fake news awards. how has the ongoing feud affected americans? plus, mr. trump at odds with emma craddock senator dick durbin over the president's language and at immigration meeting last week. even has a new nickname for him. whether his argument is worth winning or just a distraction from the issues that really matter. >> i will tell you this, i stand

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and is clinically proven to help >> harris: our first chance now to see president trump with the president of kazakhstan as they sit down with questions from reporters and a quick statement. we can tell you as extent is important just kind of globally to us. they share a border with china and russia, 17 million people there. the president by the way because we know this is a tape play out was asked about his comments about norway this week. let's watch. >> we need to have the highly respected president of kazakhstan with us. we have a tremendous relationship in terms of economics, a lot of goods meaning and jobs, tremendous amounts of money, kazakhstan doing very well, trying to turn things around, a lot of advantages over the nations frankly. some tough situations.

but the president is highly respected and has done a great, great job and it's an honor to be with you. we were together in saudi arabia developed an immediate relationship and it's really terrific what you've done, thank you for being here.

>> thank you very much for the invitation. we are honored to be here and i'd like to congratulate you for the first anniversary in the office. it's been very productive and you've achieved a lot. for my part of the world the white house, a great honor and kazakhstan has always enjoyed a very good political relation and we appreciate american support for independence and territorial integrity, and for the 26 years

of our independence, very strong partition here. we appreciate that very much. today's visit is a witness that friendship and partnership. and i'm looking to the truthful discussion with you on the topics of mutual interest to our whole countries. and i do believe that after this visit, the operations between the two countries will grow even further. and once again, thank you for your hospitality and i wish you success. >> president trump: thank you very much. we've been talking a little bit about the economies and our economy as the president has already said and has said again and will say again. we have broken a lot of records, breaking another one today. the stock market is way up, jobs

are back. black on employment is the best it's ever been in recorded history. it's been fantastic. it's the best number we've had respect to black unemployment. we've never seen anything even close, so we are very honored by that. in our country is doing very well. economically, we've never had anything like it. i don't think we've ever been in a position in the president was so saying we've never been in a position like this. many countries, many companies are moving back from other countries when they left the united states and are now moving back into the united states and we had some big announcement recently with chrysler going back to michigan, had toyota coming in, going to build a massive plant. we have many, many companies coming in and building in the united states. and that means jobs. we appreciate all the nice things you've said and i look forward to our luncheon and our discussions and with that, i just want to thank everybody for

being here. thank you very much. thank you very much. i want him to come in from everywhere. thank you very much, everybody. no idea. really, no idea. >> harris: 's are used on the shouted question there about the president's previous comments about norway and of course, that meeting last week with senders talking about immigration about wanting people coming from norway. now he's saying i want them to come from everywhere. more shouted questions but he

did answer that one, making it very clear irrespective of anything that's been said or reported, i want them to come from everywhere. every country we would think that they can mean by that. a lot covered there. they talk a little bit about the economy there. he is meeting with the president of kazakhstan and i pointed out right before we went there that the importance of where kazakhstan is located fits into a lot of different scenarios right now with borders along china and russia as you can imagine. the cabinet room will be no cameras allowed. you are the president saying okay, out. they go into that working lunch in the cabinet room and then of course -- okay, statements before the lunch i'm hearing. so we will get statements before the lunch i am being told in my ear a little earpiece where the producer can talk to me. we wanted to catch you up and show you that as it was happening and coming to us here at fox news then then we'll move

on now with more news. continuing fallout over president drums reported vulgar comments during immigration last week. the one that he was just asked about an norway coming up. this time on capitol hill. homeland security secretary kiersten nielsen responded to questions from the senate judiciary committee just a short time ago that time going including from democrat dick durbin who was also present in that previous meeting. on whether or not she heard the president actually say that specific derogatory term in question. watch. >> i did not hear that word used. >> did he use what would be considered vulgar language referring to certain countries? >> the president used tough language in general as that other congressmen in the room, yes, sir. >> what was that strong language? >> let's see. strong language. apologies, i don't remember specific awards. what i was struck with as i'm sure you are as well was just the general profanity that was used in the room by almost

everyone. >> harris: meanwhile, president trump fired back at senator durbin after the democrats confirmed reports the language was used for treating this. senator dickie durbin totally misrepresented what was said at the daca meeting. deals can't get made when there is no touch. it is hurting our military. senator durbin doubling down in his initial account of the president's comments and had this say yesterday. >> i know what happened. i stand behind every word that i said. i don't know if there were some other recording device that was being used within the oval office great if there was, i want to just call the white house right now release whatever you have. >> harris: david, i'm going to come to you first and i'm also going to look for. >> david: give me the bombshell. >> harris: is a little bit more on what houston nielsen has had. it's possible that those words may have been used. >> david: the question is, i think the more important is in what way, there is clear there was a lot of foul language that was used in that room.

she said it was by both sides. i didn't hear durbin dispute that, specifically who said it. but the point is tuesday last week, we could go today, we have a perfect model of the way they think should be negotiated. open the door, record everythin everything. a closed door. the one thing that president trump agree on is that everything should be recorded now. so let's do it. all of these doors open. the president said from now on, going to record it. what can we do it? >> but i think absolutely should do it. >> lisa: behind closed doors, there is because you also are going to complain about the same thing that happened at these hearings where people grandstan grandstand. they choose to make comments for the tv cameras.

we were talking about major political discussions and major deals trying to be hashed out. is that really a good idea? >> david: with all of the animosity, and all of the tenacity. >> melissa: i gotta talk to her last week and i would describe her as a straight shooter. there's a lot of talking going on in that room as dick durbin pointed out. so sweetly of him that she revved a couple of minutes late and asked for apologies for that. i think she sat down and what she is describing is a room full of very colorful language, some rough talk. but rightly so, this is a major discussion it is being had by republicans and democrats who differ in a lot of ways and agree in a lot of ways. it got really rough and what happened was one might choose to speculate the president's words were cherry picked out of that conversation. >> harris: why were they looked at all when it supposed to be private? >> lisa: we have senator lindsey graham who was criticized the president but his comments has called mexico hellhole in the past.

kristen gillibrand when she was dropping f-bombs in public speeches, it was edgy and cool. so spare me about all of this indignation. >> harris: the leader of the dnc can cost like his life is in danger. >> lisa: looks good to the issues of a reality as congress is facing a potential shutdown s friday. come has given congress until march to deal with daca because obama put forward a policy that he himself said he didn't have the legal authority to do. and now congress has to do with it. >> melissa: can we talk about the sentiment behind it a little bit? the sentiment behind what he said is that he is racist. she said today the sentiment behind what he was saying was that they were talking about favoring nations based on the nation and how many people are coming from there. that was a bit of new contact information. why are we favoring these particular nations and having an imbalance when we are getting more from what we are doing when

they come to this country. maybe that's the point that's worth debating. >> david: you guys asked the question which i think is very important which is why it was released. i think the reason why it was released is because durbin realized he could make political points and realize the president look terrific in a tuesday meeting before because it opened the doors. >> harris: he refused. >> david: i think the democrats were afraid that there's an error that this president is a racist not was conflicting with what the public saw in that open doors meeting and they wanted to change the conversation, which they did. >> lisa: you ever noticed any time is a little bit of good news with president trump that would be perceived positively by the public, they have a leak like this that comes forward to try to damage the president and clearly, it was senator durbin who raise this. >> sandra: anything this team could have done a better job of trying to explain and describe what happened in that room the

best they could without revealing private conversations? >> lisa: that is fair and i think the president and the team could do a better job explaining things. >> harris: in all fairness. so then the next thing you see is that statement that comes. so then the question is before the tweet, before any of that because this is so incendiary, but there have been a better conversation about you say you didn't say it in a tweet how do you get the information out there such that the public also doesn't lose trust and what sandor was saying? you can have private meeting. >> sandra: you can't do it but it's like office places right now where they say don't have somebody in your office with the door closed anymore. it's sad, he just can't do business. >> david: not only that but when you have the closed-door meeting, what's getting out to the media and the media gets it. >> sandra: it would be the exact same of the tv cameras were not on. >> harris: are you asking me if i would be cussing?

i could make the same argument without having to cause. >> lisa: do you think the viewers at home or americans care about this war of words or do you think they care about these actual policy issues that are actually going to shape and affect their lives? >> harris: they only care for the point that we've been talking about in terms of trust. if these people can get together in a room and do what they've got to do, that it matters. the president is getting ready to announce his fake news awards. it happens tomorrow. it was on a senator jeff flake is planning to give a speech announcing the presence right dark when it comes to the media. what to expect. who's right about this?

>> sandra: the dhs secretary kirstjen nielsen appearing before the house judiciary committee. let's listen in. >> he said thursday, are you aware that senator durbin and the president talked at 10:00 around that time thursday morning? >> only three news reporting after the fact. >> are you aware of the fact that dick durbin called me and said i had the best conversation ever with the president, we should follow up on it? >> i am now. >> so is everybody else. are you aware of the fact that i said great, i'll call the white house and see if we can set up a meeting. you are now. so what happened between ten and

12? >> i don't know. >> i don't either. i'm going to find out and i'm not going to ask you because between 10:00 and 12:00, we went from having conversations between senator durbin which i believe every word and the president that was very helpful and by the time we got there, something happened. so tuesday, we had a president that i was proud to call my friend, who understood immigration had to be bipartisa bipartisan, border security is essential, but also understood how to do it with compassion. i don't know where that guy went, i want him back. as we go forward, how does this movie and? what's going to happen? >> i hope that we can find a

legislative package that addresses those four pillars that it appeared to me. >> border security. do you expect that the democrats will get the president everything he wants from border security in phase one? >> no, sir. that's why we had the priorities issued in the fall and call them down. >> merit-based immigration, do you believe that we will move to a merit based immigration system in phase one? >> completely and fully, no. >> do you agree with me that the reason they want is to give us everything they want on border and merit-based immigration and go to nuclear family in terms of future immigration flow, they won't have any leverage when it comes to the rest of the 11? >> i have not seen any proposal where they give us everything we need. >> just trust me on that. i do with them a lot, they're not. i'm going to tell you all guys. i'm not going to give the 11 legal status and you wold deal with us on merit-based

immigration. do you understand leverage? >> yes, sir. >> do you think the president understands leverage? >> yes, sir. >> here's what i would suggest to you. in phase one to expect my friends on the other side to go comprehensive for us and daca for them is not going to happen. i'm telling my friends on the other side. daca and nothing else is not going to happen. the sweet spot is daca plus more than the daca kids and making down payments on border security, moving slowly but surely towards a merit based immigration system. to be followed by phase two. can i describe phase two as i've seen it? >> yes, sir, please. >> phase two as i see it is we move further towards border security in the full sense. that we begin to find a pathway towards the 11 not included in

phase one or not crooks, drug dealers, felons, which is the overwhelming majority of them. once we get a path for them, i expect in return that when they are through the system, will have a merit based immigration system based on the economic needs of the country. they will have a secure border and will increase legal immigration so people in the future don't have to cheat. does that sound pretty reasonable? >> sounds like a phase two. >> okay. so i'm going to try get you through phase one of the president watching, i'm still on the phone book, don't get my number out, but call me. this is turned into a s-show. we need to get that to being a great company wow country were democrats and republicans work together to do something that we should have done years ago. to the 700,000 young people,

some young, some older, we are not going to leave you behind. i don't know how this movie ends, but you're going to be taken care of. for those who want to fix a broken immigration system, you're going to get something too. i don't know how we write this check. dr. king said something pretty poignant about us. he said we came on different ships, we are all the same boat now. so here is my hope. that we can find through phase one one i reasonable down payment on border security, begin to correct some of the problems when it comes to chain migration, deal with the taco population fairly and with a sense of compassion and set up phase two and madam secretary, we need your help. >> i've been ready. i'd offer to anybody who would like to further this discussion,

i would like to do it. >> i'm going to take you up on that offer. and to the at large. things are going to get better. it's not going to end this way. the president ran hot, i think i know why. something happened between tuesday and thursday, and we look at the bottom of that. and quite frankly, i ran a little hot too. somebody needs to fix this problem. obama couldn't do it, bush couldn't do it, both of them there great credit tried. do you think president trump can do this? >> i think he wants to do it, yes, sir. >> i think dick durbin has been one of the best people you could ever hope to work with, that he's a decent, honest man, a liberal democrat, and i'm a conservative republican but on this and other things, we can find a way forward. so mr. president, i'm going to

end today where it ended tuesday. close this deal. thank you, madam secretary. >> thank you for your fair leadership on this. >> secretary harris, i would hope senator graham. >> i don't know if that's a demotion or promotion. >> i'm sorry. before i do that, you don't have to answer this, senator graham, but it seems to me that in phase one, we ought to at least be able to agree that we should make it easier to remove dangerous criminals in phase one instead of waiting for that. that just kind of a simple thing. that's a common sense thing. you asked the daily american, they would say yes. >> i think that's a good idea among other good ideas and i'm glad we are talking about phase one rather than s-holes. >> thank you, mr. chairman.

there is so much that has taken place over the last week and during the course of this hearing. >> sandra: clearly some contentious exchanges happening there. the senate judiciary committee hearing involving the homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen. she has not been on the job along but she's answering a tough line of questioning their as you just saw. as senator lindsey graham asking her what happened last thursday morning with the use of the president's language in that meeting, on immigration reform. she adamantly said she does not remember earlier in his testimony. she said it's possible he said what dick durbin says he said. but that was in response, anything is possible. she does not remember. she does rumor senator lindsey graham lindsey graham using strong language. senator lindsey graham then went into an interesting line of questioning basically asking kirstjen nielsen where was the tuesday donald trump?

the thursday donald trump. she said i don't know where that guy went he said but i want him back talking about tuesday, the president in that bipartisan, bicameral meeting. david has been on the couch right now saying he was talking about a bill of love. and what happened he was asking between tuesday and thursday, what is senator lindsey graham trying to say here? >> david: that's a good question. i don't exactly know. i think part of it is lindsey graham is trying to find a way of dancing around the fact that he used the same kind of -- he used hellhole is we were talking about before to describe those countries south of the border from which we should try to limit the number of immigrants coming here. so he essentially, lindsey graham, the guy who was just chastising president trump for changing his rhetoric, just kind of used a little dance step in order to move away from basically saying the same thing. >> sandra: i'm going to jump back in here because this is obviously ongoing and we are going to get back in. he stepped up to a microphone.

senator lindsey graham. >> i will say i don't think the president was well served by his staff. i think the president that we saw tuesday, that that donald trump exists and somehow by 12:00 on thursday, something happened and i don't think he was well served by his staff. but he is responsible for the way he conducts himself and so my. i can't blame that on the staff. i do believe his staff. >> would that be general kelly? >> pretty much missed the mark here. i think general kelley is a fine man, but he's also part of his staff. now were to be go? i think there's a chance to reconstruct this, to find a way to get phase one done. senator grassley asked me about deporting people who are criminals. fine. i think we are doing that as we speak. that's something to consider. the young man who got deported

yesterday, 39 years old apparently is something we need to look at. to the 700,000 plus daca kids, we are not going to leave you behind. we are not going to let this and like it is and to those have been desirous of a more superior border, you're going to get something too because it has to be done together. i don't think you can do daca without border security. i don't think you should. i think we should be making a down payment on merit based immigration. i think somebody on his staff gave him really bad advice between 10:00 to 12:00 on thursday. i think the president i saw on tuesday is the guy i played golf with. i actually like the guy, he's actually funny. i thought he commanded the room. the conversation at 10:00 on thursday was pretty consistent with a guy i saw tuesday. something happened between ten

and 12, and she's a nice person. we will get to the bottom of this. here's what's going to matter. how does it end? how does it end? does it end with the government shutting down? we should all be kicked out if that happens. does it end with the 700,000 kids being thrown to the wolves? no. does it end without any effort to secure the border? know. so was not going to end poorly, it is going to end well. and let me tell you why it will. the public is demanding for us to get our act together here. 80% of the people would like to see these kids have a better life. 80% of the people would like to fix a broken immigration system. they're going to demand we do better and what we need to do better as a reliable partner at the white house, somebody like the president who showed up on tuesday. we cannot do this with people in charge at the white house who have been there rational view of how to fix immigration.

>> sandra: what a day. a senator lindsey graham just stepping out of that senate judiciary hearing burke kirstjen nielsen, the homeland security secretary was just being question. his conclusion as to what change because this is what he brought up to kristin nelson, what changed between the donald trump last tuesday to the donald trump thursday morning when he allegedly used so that certain language, he said he believes he was not well served, the president by staff. >> melissa: he clarified if you listen really carefully, he said what changed between 10:00 a.m. thursday and 12:00 p.m. thursday in those two hours. he said he was in a meeting with his staff, and they told him something that changed his mind. you heard him asked that question before, and she said, i think both sarah sanders and secretary nielsen said that he was repeating information that he had learned in a meeting right before about which immigrants contributed to society, that sort of thing,

clarifying that he saying he was given bad information. >> sandra: he also reiterated that he had gotten a phone call from dick durbin at 10:00 a.m. thursday saying how great everything were moving along. >> david: lindsey graham has been a politician for a long time. he knows the democrats were not happy with the fact that the president was seen as so sane, so sober, so accommodating in the tuesday meeting. remember, their focus is november of this year in the midterm elections. they do not want to present to have any more successes. they tried to badmouth the tax plan and that didn't work out well. they are really not happy when president trump does extremely well. they're not. that's just the way politics works. forgive me for being cynical. >> lisa: president trump is also not asking for anything that is crazy or unreasonable. he is asking for increased border security via wall or some sort of physical barrier to stop

the illegality that we are seeing to avoid future problems like the one that we are currently facing. chain migration he has mentioned which has a clear multiplying effect on immigration, and also he wants to get rid of the visa lottery which we know is riddled with fraud and many people who have supported it can't explain why we need the visa lottery system anyway. i don't understand what he's asking for that is so contentious for the people can't get on board with. >> david: he's not. the point is lindsey graham is suggesting that dick durbin on the other democrats were there for the open camera meeting, we are very happy with the fact that it went so well. their job right now is to make americans think that donald trump is the worst president we've ever had, and that's why americans should vote for democrats in the midterm elections. so for lindsey graham to suggest that dick durbin was happy the meeting went so well i think is a little disingenuous. again, that the cynical view, grew up in d.c., a little cynical about these politicians so forgive me, i may be wrong

but that's the way i see it. >> sandra: what we also did just hear from senator graham, he reiterated about the upcoming friday deadline read i do not think that we can do daca and have a fix for daca without funding the border wall. he said here's what's going to matter, how it ends. i think we can all agree on thi this. >> lisa: and about the shut down -- the deadline on friday, what to watch. nancy pelosi has it we are not going to support a spending bill that doesn't include a daca fix. the person to watch because democrats can still do denim without her is chuck schumer. what he's decided to do in the senate because mitch mcconnell needs of democrat votes to avoid a shutdown. that's the person to watch. what does senator chuck schumer instruct his senate democrats to do in regards to friday? >> david: don't you think they want to shut down, the democrats politically? >> lisa: i don't. >> sandra: do think they're going to come to a deal? >> lisa: i don't know but i don't think anyone wants a shutdown to happen and democrats are in the minority.

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