>> i need a little more time. >> it's not fair. >> i will give it up before the end of the week. >> that's how it works around here. all right, thanks for joining us, "happening now" starts right now. >> jon: and we start with a fox news alert on the race to stop a government shutdown with three days less than to hammer out a deal. good morning to you, i'm jon scott. >> julie: i'm julie banderas. deadline drama on capitol hill working to get the votes they need to pass a stopgap measure facing opposition not only from democrats who want a deal for the dreamers but also from members of their very own party. >> it is clear we're not yet ready to move ahead with a major agreement on long-term funding for our armed forces, nor on our immigration policy. compromise solutions are not out of reach. but for now congress needs to keep the government running.

there is no cause whatsoever for manufacturing a crisis and holding up funding for the vital services of the federal government. >> julie: chief white house correspondent john roberts is live with the story and has the latest from the white house. >> jon: good morning. first of all let's zone in on the president's health report and the result of the physical he had at the walter reed military center on friday. by definition the white house physician, dr. ronny jackson is apolitical. also the physician for president barack obama and george w. bush. but the information that the president requested jackson reveal yesterday was a real finger in the eye to critics of the president who say that he is mentally unfit for office. jackson revealing yesterday that at the president's request -- this was a big surprise to many white house staffers -- that the president had requested a cognitive assessment. this in the wake of all of the allegations in the wolff book "fire and fury" he is mentally

unfit for the job. jackson says the president did very well in that test. listen here. >> any type of cognitive issues, alzheimer's and all those other things we screened for. the fact that the president got 30 out of 30 on that exam i think that there is no indication whatsoever he has any cognitive issues and i've never known him to repeat himself around me. he says what he has to say and he speaks his mind and i have found no reason whatsoever the think the president has -- i found no reason whatsoever to think that the president has any issues whatsoever with his thought process. >> today the white house working on coming up with a fix to the daca problem. no closer than we were last thursday when the president hosted the meeting in the oval office. graham saying he likes the president who chaired the meeting on tuesday rather than the one he argued with on thursday. >> what happened? i have no idea what happened

thursday in terms of what changed. but i do know how this movie ends and i want you to know how it ends. we are not going to leave 800,000 people with no place else to go out in the cold. >> sources tell fox news that graham and senator dick durbin had come to the president with a plan that didn't have agreement of the other principals who were trying to cut a deal and didn't come close to what the president had been asking for. the president basically felt they were trying to do an end run around the process and sell him a bad deal. i'm told by sources that lindsey graham may have really hurt his standing with the white house. legislative affairs director marc short said the white house is trying to get a deal on daca and trying to get a deal on spending telling fox business today he believes that they can get a continuing resolution that does not address the daca program and then leave the daca program for that period in between the time that the cr goes into effect and the time

it would likely expire on february 16th. listen here. >> we met at a staff level with the staff from leader mccarthy, leader hoyer, leader cornyn as well as senator durbin yesterday. i think there will be a principals meeting today where those members will be joined by john kelly and kirstjen nielsen to move forward. >> this is the day the president promised to hand out his fake news awards. there is rumblings around the white house that many people here hope the president doesn't do it. some folks don't think it is a particularly good idea and they also don't think that the timing is particularly politically he expedient. >> julie: john roberts at the white house. >> jon: republicans are now negotiating with themselves as they work to avert a government shutdown without any democratic help. but a key gop voting block, the house freedom caucus, could pose a problem when it comes to

passing a government funding bill. congressman mark meadows chairs that caucus. >> well, obviously we didn't have enough people tonight to take an official position but the general consensus tonight was that there is not support for the current leadership plan as proposed. >> jon: joining us now is the senior writer for politico and co-author of politico's playbook. so much of the discussion has been would democrats get on board with a daca fix and help pass a continuing resolution at least or at least a budget to keep the government up and running? now it seems to be a republican intraparty fight. >> it does. and that's probably appropriate according to republicans because they control the white house, the house and the senate. you could have an opinion and many people up here do that democrats should join along because a lot of their priorities are tied up in the government funding bill.

but the voters handed republicans the keys to the entire government. and that's the dynamic. i want to weigh in on the freedom caucus which as you rightly noted is a major and serious voting block on capitol hill. more than 30 votes if you ask mr. meadows who you just had on your screen. they have a choice right now and a lot of them are internally struggling with this. they are all close to the president, including mark meadows who the president speaks highly of. they have a choice, the government is going to shut down on friday and without their votes the government probably will shut down. if democrats vote for this package they'll only vote for it after republicans carry it over the finish line. the dynamic right now between the freedom caucus and the president of the united states is what to watch right now. i wouldn't be surprised if things go south and the freedom caucus doesn't get on board, i wouldn't be surprised to see the president weigh in more forcefully on behalf -- urging

the freedom caucus to get on board. more on that in playbook this afternoon. >> jon: what is it they want? primarily more funding for the military and more guaranteed funding for the military? >> good question. the dynamic is complicated. they actually don't disagree by and large with this package that funds the government for another 20 something days, 28 days and then extends child healthcare protection and delays a bunch of obamacare taxes. what they're worried about according to many of them i spoke to this morning and last night, they are worried that they are going to get hosed on the big spending deal next month and an immigration deal that they don't want. they say listen, we were elected to keep spending low and not to cut immigration deals with democrats and republicans are going to increase government spending by $100 billion and they are going to do an immigration deal with democrats and they believe this short-term deal might lay the ground work for that deal which they don't see as something they should be supporting. >> jon: it's a case where they

could win the battle but lose the war because these government shutdowns if the republicans get the blame for one again, that has always hurt them at the ballot box in the next election. at least the last two or three times it's happened. >> it actually has not. in 2014 republicans got their biggest majority in the house since herbert hoover and won back the senate right after a government shutdown. it was more politically complicated because barack obama was in the white house. here you have a clean set of circumstances where republicans control all three players here, house, senate and white house. it looks like republicans would get blamed but i actually don't believe based on conversations i've had over the last 12 hours, i don't believe the government is going to shut down. i do believe that the freedom caucus is going to get on board at some point or a big bulk of them and it might be with the president's urging if people in the white house are watching, they should probably quickly move to discuss this with the freedom caucus before this gets

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leaving hillsides stripped bare of vegetation which contributed to the deadly maoud slides. the lawsuit calling out montecito water district claiming a water main failure added millions of gallons to the mud. hundreds of homes there were damaged and destroyed. 20 people were killed. >> julie: north korea and south korea agreeing to form a joint women's ice hockey team for the olympics game and the athletes will march together at the opening ceremonies next month in south korea. yesterday the secretary warned america if america is at a fragile stage with north korea what happens as the regime continues to beef up its nuclear arsenal. here is secretary tillerson. >> with respect to whether americans should be concerned about a war with north korea, i think we all need to be very sober and clear eyed that that threat is growing and if north korea is not -- does not choose

to pathway of engagement, discussion, negotiation, then they themselves will trigger an option. >> julie: joining me now general jack keane chairman of the institute for the study of war. tillerson's remarks there not exactly reassuring when it comes to whether or not americans might be possibly someday at war with north korea. what do you make of his comments? >> i think the administration has all the intelligence they recognize we're getting much closer to some kind of showdown with north korea. he mentioned the situation is very tenuous. h.r. mcmaster the national security advisor at the same time tillerson was meeting with 20 countries or who provided humanitarian aid during the korean war. mcmaster said every day we're getting closer to war. on fox the guy that has all the

intelligence and provides it to the president on a daily basis said the chris wallace we're just months away from north korea having a full objective capability. that means nuclearized icbms. we're getting much closer to a situation that has potential for conflict. >> julie: you talk about how tillerson has called it tenuous. the crisis between north and south korea. there has been some improvement and we've seen talks. tillerson in 2017 said perhaps talks were on the horizon with north korea between the united states and north korea in 2018. is he dialing that back? >> no. i think the administration is absolutely prepared to talk to north korea. however, they're very clear eyed they know full well that north korea in the past has always used negotiations or talks to advance their technology. secondly, they know they are using these talks likely to promote some goodwill for

themselves because they are going to the olympics together with south korea and they also want to drive a wedge between ourselves and our allies particularly the southians. they have a healthy dose of skepticism where the talks will go. if north korea is willing to begin to talk about denuclearize. >> julie: if you look at the summit there are 20 different countries hosted between canadien and the united states. in canada one problem is missing and that's china. they aren't participating in this. the 20 countries are coming together to put on tougher sanctions. it is not just sanctions that need to happen. it is diplomatic pressure. can it be done without china? >> no, absolutely not. what tillerson and the state department is doing, i think

they are in the final phase to pull out all the stops to isolate north korea. diplomatic. it means stop trading with north korea. >> julie: china is doing that and they agreed to the sanctions and china began to start delivering oil to north korea once again. is this their way of thumbing their nose at the united states by not participating in the summit? >> they weren't invited. china was on the side of north korea as was russia during the war. the purpose of this summit was to gather the countries together who had fought against north korea during the korean war and reach out to countries they hadn't reached out in the past. maximum pressure on china is absolutely essential. we have to pull out all the stops. if they aren't abiding by what they say they are, then i think we should begin to sanction china heavily here. >> julie: you believe sanctions should be turned to china. >> yeah. only the administration knows, they're monitoring it. if they are back dooring fuel

we should hit them as heavy as we can and stop worrying about it. i don't think the administration does worry about it. the consequences are pretty awful. militarily we have to step up here. i think we should be hitting north korea with cyberattacks right now, taking down their information systems and their command and control. let's assume we're already doing it. stop sending military families to south korea. if war is on the horizon in a few months, get plans to get the families out of there. >> julie: pulling troops out of south korea? >> no, i'm saying we should not send our families to south korea with the troops. it should be an unaccompanied tours. we have several hundred thousand americans in south korea. start making plans how to deal with that. >> julie: get ready for the worst. >> jon: start thinking about a naval blockade of north korea and shut everything done.

this is stepping up. the way to prevent war in my judgment is to fully prepare for it an get inside the head and say these americans are dead serious here and that's what i mean by stepping up. >> julie: general jack keane great talking to you. >> jon: the russia investigation is not slowing down. what steve bannon just agreed to do after subpoenas from special counsel robert mueller and house intelligence committee. what happens next. judge napolitano joins us to walk us through it. plus the california parents accused of torturing their children scheduled for a court hearing tomorrow. did anyone else know what was going on in that house of horrors? >> i am immensely grateful for the young child being willing to make that call to 911, otherwise we would not have had the opportunity to intervene. and we want to highlight the

importance, the community plays in providing us with information about abuse and neglect.

>> julie: right now investigators are saying the california mother accused of torturing her 13 children and keeping them shackled and starved in a filthy home was quote perplexed that police arrested her and her husband. david and louise turpin are currently in custody facing torture and child endangerment charges after their 17-year-old daughter managed to escape and call police. >> if you can imagine being 17 years old and appearing to be a 10-year-old, being chained to a

bed, being malnourished and injuries associated with that, i would call that torture. i wish i could come to you today with information that would explain why this happened. but we do need to acknowledge the courage of the young girl who escaped from that residence to bring attention so they could get the help they so needed. >> julie: so sad. the parents of david turpin say they are stunned beyond belief by this news. they had no idea anything was wrong. they are being held on $9 million bail each. they're scheduled to make their first court appearance tomorrow. >> jon: just in, former white house strategist steve bannon has agreed to an interview with robert mueller. the subpoena issued last week would have required bannon to appear before a grand jury. he can avoid that by meeting with the special counsel's team

instead. yesterday he december filed before the house intelligence committee for 10 hours behind closed doors. here is california congressman adam schiff, the ranking democrat after that hearing. >> we had a long day with mr. bannon today. it began by being informed by his counsel that as he was attending on a voluntary basis he was going to decline to answer any questions concerning any discussions, meetings, conversations, that took place either during the transition or during his time in the administration. after we explored several attempts to try to elicit information that took place during those periods we convened on a bipartisan basis and agreed to the issuance of a subpoena to make his attendance at the hearing compulsory. >> jon: today corey lewandowski and aide rick deer born are both testifying before the house intelligence committee.

here to break it down is judge andrew napolitano. first of all in talking about steve bannon and what he told the committee yesterday, we're sort of dealing with hearsay and leaks, right? >> we are. i'm very frustrated as are most of us that watch this for a living because democracy dies in darkness and when we don't know what happened, we have leaks from democrats who say this happened and leaks from republicans who say that happened it's tough to piecemeal what did occur. it appears as though, very unusual what happened yesterday, steve bannon and his lawyers agreed that bannon would come voluntarily once he got there didn't answer any questions. why show up if you aren't going to answer any questions? then the house served him with a subpoena and tried to compel the testimony immediately. once you give the person a subpoena he has 10 days to prepare for the testimony or challenge the subpoena. he will be back in 10 days and

compelled to answer questions under oath. >> jon: he was advising the president of the united states. can he not claim executive privilege? >> in three narrow areas. i'm not sure. we don't know what happened. that the committee is interested in these areas. diplomatic secrets, military secrets, sensitive national security matters. the committee is asking him about conversations that occurred during the campaign and the transition when donald trump wasn't the president. so there is no privilege and they are also asking him questions about the firing of jim comey after trump was president and that's not covered by military diplomatic or sensitive national security. when there is a dispute it goes to a judge in secret again and the judge decides yeah, you invoke the privilege or no you didn't, answer the question. >> jon: he will testify to mueller's team rather than testify in front of a grand jury we understand, right? >> this is not formal testimony. there will be a record of what he says but he won't be under oath. the penalty for lying to f.b.i.

agents and federal prosecutors is the same penalty as perjury. a dangerous environment for steve bannon. his predecessors walked into a trap. the government knows a lot more about the case. >> jon: what if he says i don't recall? >> unlikely he could be charged with any crime if that's a true and accurate representation of his mind. if it's not there will be no way for the government to find out unless he says i do recall. >> jon: so who has the lead in this investigation right now? is it the house intel committee, mueller's team? >> that's a great question, jon. bob mueller subpoenaed steve bannon right at the time he was appearing before the house intelligence committee because a prosecutor does not want a

potential witness testifying in a forum that he doesn't control. so bob mueller is running the show and for some reason steve bannon's lawyers are negotiating with bob mueller and have agreed to produce against the learned advice, never talk to a guy who owns a grand jury. they'll trap you. >> jon: we'll keep watching. >> julie: all right, jon, the need for beefed up security along the southern border. why a revolving door is making a shortage of manpower on the border even worse. the battle of immigration goes on. with a government shutdown looming. why the attorney general is now doubling down on the administration's push for reform. >> what the american people want and have a right to and what's good for america is a lawful system of immigration. when we admit people to our

country, we should be like canada. we should evaluate them and make sure they'll be lawful and not threats to us.

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as it hired no ones. why the revolving door? we are on the arizona/mexico border with a look at that. >> john, it's money, competition for talent. not everyone wants to run around in the middle of the night and potentially get assaulted and remote opportunities it doesn't work for some. some it does. >> raised in a small indiana town steven joined the border patrol two years ago. >> stopping people from crossing the border and the secondary aspect of stopping narcotics all appealed to me. >> deadly force training at the academy the agency sent him to arizona. >> what they did was illegal and we're paid to uphold the law. >> finding the next border

patrol agent is a challenge. starting salary is $49,000. it's down 800 agents and the president wants 5,000 more. 65% fail the polygraph. hiring one agent takes 133 applicants and nine months. >> in many cases we are going after the same applicants that a lot of law enforcement agencies are. >> hiring new agents is one problem. keeping experienced ones is another. >> it is an employment crisis. we are losing more agents than we're hiring. >> we have to get better at looking at different retention initiatives. >> manpower, technology fencing. since 2001 homeland security doubled the agents and added 700 miles of fence. apprehensions fell by more than 90%. >> it reduced the amount of traffic, the flow of migration and drugs coming across the border. >> so that's the rule of thumb

out here. fencing, manpower, technology. you take one away the rest aren't going to work. you need the fence to stop people. you need the agents to apprehend people, you need the sensors and cameras to see people. so jon, all three of those things if congress gives border patrol money they'll spend it on all those, not just the wall. back to you. >> jon: let's hope they get the slots filled. william, thank you. >> julie: president trump pushing for immigration reform after a new report on foreign-born terrorists. tweeting this. new report from doj and dhs shows that nearly three in four individuals convicted of terrorism-related charges are foreign born. we have submitted to congress a list of resources and reforms. we need to keep america safe, including moving away from a random chain migration and lottery system to one that is merit-based. attorney general jeff sessions meanwhile doubling down on the administration's concern last night with tucker carlson. listen.

>> president trump has said we need -- we have immigration, we want immigration, but we want to vet these people. we want to know who they are and make sure they are going to be productive people, people who will flourish in america, who are going to not be terrorists, not be criminals, and that's exactly correct for america. >> julie: joining me now are david avila chairman of co-pack and cap ri cafaro. thank you for talking to us. the president's plan to keep out terrorists is an ideal one. no one wants to allow terrorists into the united states. but how hard is it going to be to execute? >> i think it's incredibly difficult. how do you really get into the minds of individuals? i think this is an instance where investing in human intelligence is critically important. chain migration, for example, i think in my view at least i think there is merit to chain

migration because if you already have family here i think it shows that there is a desire to be part of the american fabric and be a productive member of the american society. however, that being said i think the question becomes how far do you allow chain migration to occur? i think that while all of this sounds lovely on its face i think we really need to take a step back and look at what, for example, a merit-based system is defined as. attorney general sessions for example mentioned canada. they have very strict language. maybe those countries will focus on english skills. so there is a lot more here than what it appears. >> julie: by weeding out the good from the bad the president believes in selecting immigrants based on their status. how realistic is a merit-based system? >> what americans say they want

is a merit-based system. much has been talked about, julie, as far as pressure the president has put on democrats to come to the table. at the same time there is a message for republicans. 2018 is not for the weak-kneed or faint hearted. if we pass immigration reform and do infrastructure spending and keep the government open it is not going to be with democrat votes. they've made very clear they have no agenda, they have no message beyond let's do amateur ish moves to keep the president focused off legislative victories and make it about the elections and try to take back congress. the message the president is talking about is as much for democrats as republicans. >> julie: here is the deal. chain migration. there are people who have family ties here. there is a widespread debate, bipartisan debate after lindsey graham has stood up for the hundreds, thousands of immigrants that were brought

her illegally when they were children. when do you decide to break up families and you look at history. you have to look at some of the convicted terrorists in this country who have come over as young adults, if not children, okay, and their families brought them over here and they went ahead and killed americans. vetting. the vetting process. that is already put in place. is it enough? >> i think that the real question is what does that vetting look like and how do we build upon it? nothing is going to be 100% perfect and you only need one instance of failure for tragedy to occur and that's always the challenge of law enforcement, counter trims and vetting when it comes to immigration. again, there is no simple answer to this. i think that we've seen a number of instances just recently of families being broken apart there was a man in michigan who 39 years old and been here for over 30 years and being deported back. we have someone in ohio, for example, as well that is being

detained here that has been here for over 30 years. how do we make it objective? it will be very hard. >> julie: for those being deported who have been here since they were children. if you've been working for 30 years do you not have a chance? did this man she is mentioning in michigan have a chance to apply for citizenship to avert this? >> absolutely. a solution can be found just as the administration has made very clear to the daca folks that are here on the daca program. unless you commit a crime there is not going to be a police force out rounding people out and sending them out. ultimately what republicans and the trump administration are asking for is people to play by the rules. just the same thing that canada is doing and greece is now doing, just the same thing that countries all over this world are doing. we put in place a set of immigration rules and we want people to play by the rules.

we want people to come here who are going to be productive members of our society which most immigrants are to our nation. and yet at the same time we don't want criminals in here. we don't want to bring into this country people who are going to do harm. it is a simple concept and why democratic leaders can't get on board with that is mind-boggling. >> julie: we need to come to the table but it is not as simple as it looks. >> thank you both. >> jon: president trump's former campaign chairman expected to stand trial right before the 2018 mid-term elections. why one opinion writer says the timing could not be worse for republicans.

>> jon: breaking here on "happening now." a federal judge overseeing the trial of paul manafort and his deputy rick gates now says thei

in the fall. and one opinion writer for politico says it could have dire consequences for republicans in the mid-term elections. while many republicans insist the trump-russia saga is overblown they profile trials and potential blockbuster meeting between mueller and trump himself could obscure their message and threaten their house and senate majorities. joining me now matt gates of florida, a member of the house judiciary committee. so you heard the elements of that politico editorial, are you worried, congressman? >> not worried at all. in bill clinton taught us anything it's the economy stupid. the democrats can't run on that. we have growing gdp growth and we're winning on a lot of priorities. we have to maintain our focus

on the economic gains the american people are enjoying. the democrats are the ones that have to use russia and extend out the investigations because they can't run on a policy message. they will lose there every time. >> jon: you think all of this potential headlines about manafort and gates and russia and so forth all of that is just noise that voters are going to ignore? >> i would compare all of that to monica lewinsky and ken starr and the activities that surrounded bill clinton in 1998. petime dealing with a special counsel would bring down the democratic party. the reality was republicans didn't gain seats during that election because we had six straight quarters of economic growth. if we remain focus on the economy and things that help americans we'll be successful. the democrats have to distract and divide. republicans want to focus on the agenda we laid out in the election and executing every day if washington

>> jon: if democrats want to distract and divide they'll have a lot of help from the headlines, are they not? >> well, certainly the circumstances now are not ideal. you have a biased probe. you have the board of directors for the never trump movement essentially participating in the mueller probe from andrew wiseman who attended clinton's election night party and those defending the clinton foundation. i don't think it will result in major electoral wins for the democrats. in my district and others people are focus on pocketbook i shall aouls and not russia. >> jon: what about the politics of this. the judge has said this trial is going the take place in september or october. does she not run the risk of coming against the same kind of criticism that jim comey did when he got involved in the presidential election making rulings on hillary clinton and

her private server? >> it's entirely possible but again my premise when people go and vote i don't think they'll be more focused on a courtroom far away than they are about the decisions they have to make at their own kitchen table every month. while again i do believe there is a coordinated strategy on the part of democrats to try to time litigation events where they would have some relevance to the election, what i continue to hear from average americans all over this country is that they're excited about the prosperity that america is enjoying now during president trump's leadership and it will be their focus in picking their leaders going forward. we can defeat the democratic delay strategy with the russia investigations to continue to focus on issues that affect people's quality of life. >> jon: you are sure it will overwash concerns about paul manafort and his associate gates were doing. >> i think it all contributes

to the national discussion we'll have. and the oversight work of the judiciary committee is important to ensure when we see evidence of bias or prosecutorial misconduct or other events that call into question the legitimacy of those litigation events we have an obligation under the oversight responsibilities to point those out, to expose them. that's one of the reasons why in a recent harvard poll 54% of americans believed the mueller probe has conflicts of interest. at the end of the day it's the economy. the economy is growing and we have to continue to pass the reforms in washington that will continue to contribute to that economic success of all americans and i think that in 2018 we may win so much we'll be tired of winning under the great success of president trump. >> jon: congressman matt gates republican of florida. good to have you on. thanks for your optimism there. >> julie: tech giants of their day dominating the market as google, facebook and amazon do today. what happened to those companies? could these giants meet the same fate?

>> coming up, former white house strategist steve bannon is back before the house intelligence committee tomorrow after refusing to answer questions yesterday even with a subpoena. his attorney said the white house told steve bannon to stay quiet. a gop senator has slammed president trump attacking him on the floor. but a new study shows network news coverage of the president is 90% negative. so he have is just giving as good as he gets? that's the question. all that plus our "outnumbered" guest at the top of the hour. hump day, sizzle baby, see you then. >> julie: new information on

tech giants like facebook, google and amazon which dominate their markets in much the same way standard oil and at&t once did and we all know what happened with the two on the latter side. they got broken up and regulated. now some are making the antitrust case against the tech titans. brett larson is joining us and contributor. should we be worried about our privacy when it comes to facial recognition for all those that got the fancy new iphones? >> the new thing. looks at your face and knows everything about you. google has built into the app where they can look at your face and match you to famous paintings from around the world. there are concerns there and privacy concerns. people are always concerned about privacy when there is a new way to interact with technology. in this instance i don't think it's necessarily a problem but a good reminder that you have to read the privacy policies of these companies that you are interacting with. don't just click accept and scroll through the thing. how are they using this bit of

information that they're taking from you? google and apple not likely going to make a clone of you any time soon but make sure they're protecting it in a way that's safe. >> julie: they're not making a clone of me, thank god for that. when it comes to google and amazon and facebook, i use all three, these are giants. are they too big? >> it's easy to argue yes, they are too big. google has over 90% of the market when it comes to search. when you look at the other aspect of it they aren't harming the consumer. when you go to search you can type in any question and you get an answer. same for facebook. you can connect. should they have stricter policies in place, yes? >> julie: by the way, as far as facebook is concerned they own all your photographs. my sister was telling me this. you have to watch what you put out there. >> you have to read the privacy policy. >> julie: a little scary. okay. we'll be right back.

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julie is getting herself under control. >> julie: yes, i am. it's almost friday. hump day as they say. >> jon: thank you for joining us. >> julie: we are out of here. outnumbered starts now. >> sandra: a fox news alert for you. steve bannon is going to be called back for another interview before the house intelligence committee tomorrow. that's because after 10 hours of closed door testimony yesterday he refused to answer many of their questions about president trump. and his time working with the trump white house. even after he was subpoenaed. now a top democrat is accusing him of complying with what amounted to a white house gag order. this is outnumbered. i'm sandra smith. here today harris faulkner, the editor of town hall.com katie pavlich. co-host after the bell melissa francis and joining us today on the couch is the host of the next revolution and former chief strategist for british prime minister david cameron steve hilton is here all the way fro