never would have found as many tv cameras without you. >> martha: high first internship in college was in bob dole's office, he is a good man. thanks for being here. tucker up next.college was in b office, he is a good man. thanks for being here. tucker up next.in college was i office, he is a good man. thanks for being here. tucker up next. ♪ note. ♪ >> monica: good evening, welcome to tucker carlson tonight. if you've been paying i tension lately, you may have noticed president trump doesn't like the media. the media fervently don't like him back. it is a hate-hate relationship that seems to be getting more contentious. cnn this morning, the president got a strikingly positive health evaluation yesterday. here was cnn's take on it. overweight and doesn't exercise. in other words doctors say he's fine, cnn calls him fat. this has been going on since the beginnings. except for the day that he lobbed cruise missiles into syria which delighted official washington as it always does,

virtually all of trump's press coverage has been negative. reporters don't simply disagree with the administration on policy, though they do. they feel personal contempt and loathing for the president and their bosses have encouraged them to express it. in return, the president has struck back, dismissing the media as fake news. many cases he's been right others he just attacks news he doesn't like like all politicians. under normal circumstances, part of the remedy is a responsible media establishment, reporters would raise their standards and run fewer false stories. these are not normal circumstances. suddenly there's a massive and eager audience for conspiracy they aries, exact lig why they're going 24/7 with this russia nonsense on some of the other networks. it is very lucrative for them. there's another reason, too. in the america of 2018, victimhood is power. instead of improving their journalism, ikts oh easier for reporters to complain about how their voices are somehow being suppressed.

the irony, of course, free expression really is under attack in this country at the moment. most journalists don't care or notice it. views are shot off, twitter routinely bans accounts for showing viewpoints they oppose, google tam percent with search results and fires employees who express those ideas. yet weirdly the media applaud all of this. they're not defenders of free expression, they are guardians of orthodoxy, elite orthodoxy. today, republican senator jeff flake of arizona took their side. in a speech on the senate floor, flake compared trump's criticism to the soviet dictator joseph stall learn, one of histry's most prolific mass murderers. barking at jim acosta during a press conference is like building death camps or staging a famine in ukraine. no one accused jeff flake of being a genius. he is right on one point, government often is the opponent

of free expression. remember for example when president obama kicked newspaper reporters off the campaign plain, their coverage wasn't favorable enough. you don't tlaeb? it happened. then there was the time the owe bam administration threatened to ban fox from the white house press corps we didn't suck up hard enough. the obama administration subpoenaed the phone records from the associated press or named fox news reporter james rosen in a criminal complaint. . obama described this news organization, fox, as, quote, destructive for the long term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class. fox news causes poverty. these attacks on press freedom won't for years. where was jeff flake then? we don't remember him comparing president obama to joseph stalin or bothering to defend us. jeff flake didn't hate obama the way he hates donald trump, obama didn't threaten the comfortable thing flake had carved out for himself. if you're jeff flake or lindsay graham or a dozen other

republican senators who secretly despise their own voters, oat poom a years were a perfect time for you. you could complain about democratic control of government, give a knew floor speeches, tv hits, then go home. you didn't have to do anything or change anything. with the political equivalent of a no-show job it was nice work if you could get it. there's a reason republicans haven't delivered a single major conservative law since welfare reform. that was more than 20 years ago. no wonder guys like jeff flake loathe trump. he called their bluff. suddenly republicans have all of the power for the first time in decades, that could actually do what voters have consistently asked them to do for years. secure the borders. this time for real. slow the flood of immigration that is making america poorer, more crowded, and dangerousry unstable. they don't want to do it, their donors don't want them on do it. they can't admit it so they call

trump stalin. it all makes sense. davidson is a senior correspondent from the federalist, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: trump hates reporters, i see why they don't like that, i don't always like the criticism of the press. they strike me as less dangerous as an actual stalinist dynamic where the press sucks up to people in power. i'm struck how common that was for the eight years preceding this administration and no one stead anything about it. why? >> well, you are absolutely right. reporters from mainstream joument lets routinely take private meetings with president obama, be fed stories and narratives as the obama administration likes to say, then come back and regurgitate them point bay point in support of obaba administration policy that was being sold that day. this was the standard operating procedure for major news outlets for eight years.

and now, they have the trump administration which offends them and their sensibilities, and they're offended by the policies that the trump administration is trying to push. so they engage in the sort of hysterical overblown criticism that we saw jeff flake join in on today on the senate floor. >> tucker: jeff flake is mediocrity, and retiring. i'm interested in the reporters that shape our understanding of what is going in the world. it seems weird they're ignoring the actual crisis in free expression, which is real. i've been in the workforce 26 years, never a time in my lifetime where more people were fired more quickly for expressing their opinions in the workplace. this is an epidemic i don't see coverage of that, why? >> well, like you said before, the oppressed choose -- press chooses not to see that. all of the people getting fired have the wrong views. you know, you look back to the firing of brendan ike at mow sil a as a canary in the coal mine,

that seems like a long time ago, but that was a harbinger much things on come, that are widespread with organizations like facebook and twitter that are media organizations now that function like media organizations. that have these draconian policies where they're obviously censoring view these don't like. they're obviously don't really care about free expression. you saw the undercover videos of twitter, saying we cooperate with the chinese government in banning peep from twitter all the time. they're not really interested in free expression. and it's troubling to see just how disinterested they are, uninterested in the issue at all. >> tucker: but they're the guardsians, the opposite of what they ought to be, they're the guardians of orthodoxic rather than protectors, the journalist should take the place of the guy who stood up and got one opinion. pretty benign e-mail about

diversity and the whole staff of "business insider" said he's a threat to the republic. what are those people posing as journalists? >> the one thing jeff flake gets wrong and the mainstream media gets wrong, the number one threat if there's a main threat to our democracy, when it comes to the media, it's that the media has totally thrown away its credibility with the american people. there was this gallop poll that showed more americans have a negligence if i have view of the media than have a positive view of the media. that isn't good for a democracy. we need to have a robust, credible media to hold power accountable, and to to the citizenry. we don't have that. the media does not see itself as the guardians of free speech, the guardians of common americans, holding power accountable. they see themselves as, as you say, protectors of the status quo. >> tucker: if they were half as skeptical of big business as

they are of donald trump we would be a lot safer. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: a new presidential conspiracy theory, the girtseser movement, that's merged yesterday after president trump's doctor discussed his physical results and described his health as pretty good. >> age 71 years 7 months at the time of the exam. 75 inches, weight 239 pounds. i think the president he and i talked, he would like to lose over the next, i think a reasonable goal over the next yearer on so, lose 10 to 15 pounds. >> tucker: pretty good report but immediately brushed aside by the press corps. they speculated what hidden ailments the president might have. >> if that's what 6'3", 239 pounds looks like, that's a shot shock to me. >> seemed like a trump fan boy. >> he said 239 pounds, whatever. i'm being a girther. >> we mention the president has high cholesterol, he has

evidence of heart disese, he's border line obese. >> on his drivers license new york he was 6'2", and he suddenly grew with age. >> most old people shrink. >> exactly. the thing that's burning this girther movement, if he did, in fact, grow that's part of the reason he's not being considered obese. if he had been one inch shorter he would have matched the standards for obese. >> tucker: shows you how physically cut off the press corps is. nbc producer ken dilanian, demanded trump submit to a public weigh-in, seeing skepticism over the fact trump weighs only 239 pounds. would he step on a scale in public to prove that? brian is a host at "fox & friends," author of the fantastic book andrew jackson and the miracle of new orleans. joins us tonight. so, ryan, the one thing i learned from watching the coverage, most reporters live in neighborhoods without a single

person who doesn't go to soul cycle at least four times a week. they've never seen fat person. they think trump is obese. >> well, listen, he had a doctor, a real admiral, come out who impressed the bush family and obama family and their staffs, didn't know donald trump at all before he ran for president, and won the white house, he said here's a they are owe example the same media corps that missed the wheelchair, back problems of jfk, got a full exam and a 55 minute presser to follow where every question was answered. and they zero in on his height which revealed too much weight. americans sometimes should lose 10 to 15 pounds. he is sadly healthy. this is the bad news for the press corps as i understand it. this morning, tucker, i thought the big story was the crazy questions asked of that doctor. later on when the show ends, i find out everyone doubts the

validity and the sanctity of the doctor's comments and want a public way. if hillary clinton had won in the age of equality, would we have done the pinch test on her? would we have asked for her weight and demand a second source? this is incredible. in the age of political correctness, we are fat shaming a president who simply has to lose 10 to 15 pounds. were they rooting for disease, rooting for something to stop him from being president? >> tucker: tells you everything about their world, where being 10 pounds overweight really is a sin, though. i actually think a lot of reporters are upset by this, the idea that, you know, a 71-year-old man might be mildly overweight. that's like worse than a war crime to them. i mean it. >> i'll take it up a notch. from this group of people that wanted jill stein to contest the election because it was fraud, wrong. then they wanted delegates to flip, never happened. then the russia investigation ongoing hasn't yielded anything. then the 25th amendment fell

flat on its face, the president is sane. then it turns of the he might live through his term and not die of an illness. they're demanding a recount. incredible. you can't have it every stengel way. i've never seen people so disappointed he wasn't riddled with disease. at some point he is watching your show and laughing outloud as he was the entire press conference. >> tucker: i hope he's eating a cheeseburger and chasing it with a three muss ke tiers bar. there's something so transgressive about his eating habits in the age of macro by on theic orthodoxy. good for him. great to see you. >> i don't know if you read the "new york times" but page 8 had the increase the tax plan, economic values, and unemployment numbers, all good news. they might want to focus on that not his weight. but i don't want to tell anyone what to focus on. >> tucker: that's the spirit. thank you, brian, great to see

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>> tucker: fox news alert, the trump administration announced the winners of hotly anticipated fake news awards. chief national correspondent ed henry has the results on the red carpet. >> good to see you. there's been anticipation what the president do.

he's been teasing this out for a couple of weeks he's now listed about a dozen fake news stories in his words that, he wants to highlight. we'll run through the top five starting with number 5, the president calling out the "washington post" for in his words falsely reporting a massive soldout rally in pensacola, florida as being empty. he said the dishonest reporter showed a picture hours before it vent started and it was much, much bigger. number four, "time" magazine, falsely reporting that the president removed a bust of dr. martin luther king jr. from the oval office. this was something that "time" reported kay one, day would of the administration. it was a fake story. number three, cnn in the words of the president, falsely reporting candidate donald trump and his john donald trump jr. had access to hacked documents from wikileaks before the public did. that was not true. had to be retracted as well. number two, the president going after abc news's brian ross, in the president's words, in this

thing just tweeted out, brian ross, quote, chokes and sends markets in a downward spiral with false report. about retired general michael flynn and pleading guilty to the charge of lying to the fbi, brian ross saying it dated back to collusion in the campaign. that had to be walked back, that was not true. the stock market crashed on that initial fake news. the president calling that out. finally, number one in the president's estimation, for the 2017 fake news awards, i have ben waiting, talker, "new york times" paul krugman claiming on the day of the historic landslide victory in the president's words, the economy would never recover. as you see from the market activity, announcements like apple saying they're pouring a lot more money into the economy, bringing repatriated money back into the united states, something the white house is crowing about tonight. >> tucker: thank you, ed, great to see you.

republican senators are pushing a daca deal to provide amnesty to about two million illegal imgrantses. proposing a which is being promoted by 7 republicans, including lindsay graham of south carolina, would offer a path to citizenship for all so-called dreamers, even those not part of daca, eligible for welfare after five years. . diversity lottery would be, quote, abolished, visas would be reallocated to other perhaps with the same purpose. slight of hand. allows the parents of dockca recipients who illegally entered america as adults and caused this problem, to get renewable work permits to say in the country. do you care about bore deshs, it is aer -- borders, it is a par on di. -- parody. congresswoman, thanks for being on. not only a member of congress, spent years in uniform. >> yes. >> tucker: over 20, i think. how do you feel about the

democrats saying, basically, outloud provide amnesty or we'll stop paying our troops. >> it's infuriating, i brought this up in a white house meeting last week, i was moved when i heard dick durbin say there's lives hanging in the balance or something like. that i was like moved to jump in and say the only lives hanging in the balance right now are those of our military. the men and women serving overseas, putsing their lives in harm's way, there's a fake deadline created by the democrats holding them hostage. while our troops are over there risking their lives for us? they're picking around, trying to come up with some issue that's not in the top 20 priority of the american people. we need to look to more legislation like the bill i introduced last week that addresses the priorities of the american people. border security, ending chain migration, endtion the visa lottery, unaccompany ied minor. this addresses the root causes of daca, we can work on.

there is no crisis here. they're holding our troops hostage for this issue that has nothing to do with funding our military. infuriating. >> tucker: the bill that you are backing is literally main stream in that its major components are in the middle of the polling on the question. >> exactly. >> tucker: but the senate version which is being supported really driven by lindsay graham and jeff flake, lindsay graham said jeff flake will do whatever i tell him to do. a bench of republican senators. it's very far from what you propose. >> it is. >> tucker: can you win them to your side? >> we have to. this is a priority of the american people. we worked for 4 1/2 months on this bill f you look at the white house put out a document with 70 requests. we worked thu them all. not all of them, this is a very reasonable prioritized proposal that focuses on security, first and foremost, of the american people. address as loophole in our system, some of them are creating threats like we've seen with the terrorist attacks in new york city. they have to be closed.

with the chain migration and the visa lottery system. if we're willing to do something on daca, that we are not finding ourselves in the situation again in another one, five, ten years. this is a very reasonable approach. should be the starting point. that's what we need to sit down and negotiate in good faith. >> tucker: march that mcsally of arizona, thanks for coming on, appreciate it. trump administration investigate whether it can bring charges against the leaders of sanctuary cities, we're ask a chicago alderman whether that makes him consider support for sanctuary in his city. with advil's fast relief, you'll ask, "what pulled muscle?" "what headache?" nothing works faster to make pain a distant memory. advil liqui-gels and advil liqui-gels minis. what pain?

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so-called rights of people in chicago, protect the american citizens who live there? >> let me say tucker, first, incorrect, we are not near insolvency. that's wholly not true. we just passed a budget couple of months ago. >> tucker: tell me about the retirement liabilities that the city of chicago has, and which remain unfunneleded to this day. i mean that's a separate segment. [laughing] anybody that lives in chicago is laughing what you just said. >> no, we're paying our pension liabilities, we have problem with just like many other cities, we're not the only ones facing looming pension liabilities. >> tucker: no you're not. you're not the only -- are you one of the biggest problems in the country. not the only problem. chicago is a great city, i love chicago, but halgs has a lot of real problems. >> >> it is a great city. >> tucker: how is this helping. >> i know -- i'm trying to correct you, we aren't

insolvent, we just passed a property tax that helped, balanced the budget. paying pension liabilities. >> tucker: good for you for trying and i hope it works out. >> it is true, credit rating has gone up. >> tucker: let's get back to the question of how all of the energy you're putting in to helping people who shouldn't be here in the first place is benefitting the citizens, the american citizens of chicago, why should they be happy about this? >> you know what, here, tucker, we help, i'm derman, my constituents are varied, there's chinese, lithuanian, polish, mexican, various parts of the world. i don't check their stat us when they come and ask me for help. it's unamerican. it's not what i do, i wouldn't do it to anyone. >> tucker: what is american is to help -- your job, i want to be clear this, your job is to help any citizen of the world who asks for your help?

>> look, people come to my office for help, on various sorts of things, services, and my office helps those people that come through the door. >> tucker: you don't think you have a special obligation to the stenls of this country, your obligation is the same for the citizens of bangladesh as the citizen of america? >> i don't have any citizens from bangladesh. >> tucker: name a country, you don't have a special obligation to americans? >> i'm not checking citizenship status. >> tucker: you are protecting -- yes, you are. >> i'm not. >> tucker: this whole policy protects -- >> i'm not checking at the door whether they're citizens or not. most of the people that i represent are citizens. what it means, i'm not checking at the door their i.d.s to see if they're citizens. >> tucker: let's play a game where you answer one question that i ask you. do you think -- >> i'm answering. >> tucker: do you think, here's the question, see if you can answer it, do you think that you have an obligation to represent

american citizens first above people who are here illegally? >> i represent my citizens very well, thank you, tucker, of one that comes through that door. >> tucker: you aren't going to answer it. let's try a second one. >> you want me to equate that with -- let me answer it. you want me to guess, just guess, what, they have to be blue eyed and blonde, you're american? >> tucker: it is ridiculous that you say something like that. >> i'm just saying -- >> tucker: you know what, what a loathsome dem on going you are to -- kemogogue you are, mr. cardness. >> i want to say something. >> tucker: i want you to answer my question simply, do you have an obligation to american citizens of any color over people who are here illegally. it is simple. >> i look at all of my obligations, i meet all of my obligations to the people from

the entire city, people i meet on the street as well. >> tucker: how do american citizens benefit from protecting illegal aliens in chicago? >> here, can i tell you, everybody here in this city knows that we are here and we're protecting everyone, we're here for their security, here for their benefit, i don't check -- >> tucker: if i live on the south side, highest murder rates in america and people getting killed on my block, this is real, why should i be happy you're spending your time, including on this show, defending the rights of people who don't have a right to be here in the first place? why should i be happy about that, simple question. >> i don't, listen, again, you're throwing words out as if they mean anything. they don't. people that come through the door, live in the community, they look for services, looking for help. again, we're not immigration. we're not -- >> tucker: you are going to lose this debate, you don't have a real answer. when pressed, none of you guys have an answer. >> that's the answer.

>> tucker: the person, you accuse them of racism, you don't have the answer. you will lose this debate. >> what am i supposed to be asking you? >> tucker: american citizens, american citizens have a right to have their interests first. you don't agree with that. you can't tell me how this benefits american citizens. you call me a racist. >> tuck tucker, americans black americans, there's asian-americans -- >> tucker: it's not about race, it's about citizenship. >> you asking me to know whether that person, you know, is a citizen or not. i don't have that in front of me. >> tucker: i'm asking you to care, i'm asking you to care about american citizens. >> why would i not care -- >> tucker: i'm asking you as an american citizen, there's a finite amount of money in chicago, a finite amount of time, why should i as a citizen be happy you're spending your time and my money protecting people who don't have a right to be here. you can't answer that question. >> how do you know we're not protecting those people, how do you know that? >> tucker: getting into the circular part of the debate. thanks for joining us, appreciate it.

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who thinks about these issues and joins us tonight. christy, without getting into how unbelievably unbelievable every white straight man is, goes without saying, as an electoral strategy this is really common on the left even from elected officials in the democratic party dismissing white men as bad. is it kind of bad politics to, like, tell tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people you hate them for who you are? they're never going to vote for you. >> hah ohio state professor was not tapped to write policy the last time i checked. >> tucker: right. >> i don't see any policies coming out of the democratic party meant to demonize white men. >> tucker: really? just all of them, beginning with affirmative action, hiring set-asides and all that. you're right, not just ohio state, the senior elected democrat in the house of representatives last week

attacked the negotiations over daca only because they were being led by, quote, five white men, if that was inherently discrediting. >> that is something different, something that i think brings up for a lot of people, he has in his one year in office already, mailed the least diverse cabinet in a generation. his court appointments almost exclusively white males. if you look at that as a would woman you think, hmm. women aren't the only people on the planet, shouldn't be the only people in positions of power, president trump seems to feel this way. >> tucker: you aren't supposed to attack people on things they can't control, sex, race. then you have elected officials openly attacking people not because of what they said or they've done, on the basis of sex and race, that's profoundly

alienating to peep. same race and sex, maybe people of other good conscience. >> maybe saying people from certain african countries are probably, could all be seen the same way, not in a positive way? >> tucker: he didn't say that, he attacked the country. whatever. if you don't like that talk don't engage in it. saying naughty things isn't an answer. this is everywhere in the democratic party. i have a whole list of democratic officials attacking white men for being white men. what is the idea here, what are you getting at? >> they're not attacking white men for being white men, they are attack the idea things aren't diverse, if you want to have sincere conversations in america about the way things are and the way we can improve our country we actually to have listen to more voices than just those. >> tucker: here's sally boynton brown, running for dnc chair, runs the democratic party in idaho, she said my job is to shut on up on they are white

people, shut them down. >> i remember that comment and it was kind of stupid. what she meant by that, sometimes the people in power need to just sit back and do listening as opposed to all the talking. >> tucker: she's saying not every white man is in power, in fact the life expectancy for a lot of white men is going down. not true for any other group. no power at all. they're dying younger than other people. i guess it's the assumption that because of your race and sex you have power, is it self, the definition of racist. we both agree. why say that crap in public, what is the point? >> that was a pretty dumb statement she made. but the sentiment behind it is one we can agree with, which is that sometimes the people in power need to be doing the listening instead talking. >> tucker: i dpleetly agree, i feel that way with nancy pelosi, she can shut up and listen. it's not about race and sex. how can a party that attacks

people on the basis of their rasht expect to win any votes from those people? >> i don't believe that the democratic party does attack people on the basis of their race. that's something that we have seen a lot from the republican party. >> tucker: wow. we may be living in different countries, i see it a lot. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: bill deblasio's regime is suing oil companies over climate change. an activist that says it's okay to break the law to fight climate change. hey, need fast heartburn relief? try cool mint zantac. it releases a cooling sensation in your mouth and throat. zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. nexium can take 24 hours. try cool mint zantac. no pill relieves heartburn faster. exin the 2018xus lexus es and es hybrid. lease the 2018 es 350 for

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climate. you can tell because he's using taxpayer money to sue oil companies over climate change. putting other people's money where his mouth is. ken says it's okay to break the law for the sake of climate change. thanks for being on. >> thanks for having me. i heard you call somebody, what was it, demagogue, little -- >> tucker: that was then, this is now, ken. totally different segment, different guest, glad to see you. >> wonder what i got myself into. >> tucker: no, no, no. let me ask you this, i won't call that you or hopefully anyone else that ever again. >> thank you. >> tucker: why can the mayor of new york call himself a warrior against climate change if he uses a helicopter to get around the city? when he could take public transportation? >> well, you know, key get those questions all the time.

it is a very fair question. i just think we're trying to change an entire system here, partly can you do that by your own behaviors. that's exemplary. i would think anybody who's concerned about climate change ought to be very concerned about their own carbon impact. at the same time, we're trying to achieve political change in america as it is. and it's hard to do that without burn something fossil fuels. >> tucker: i understand that. there are practical limits to people's ability to live out their beliefs. but do i think it calls into question the sincerity of a person whoo's frame little debate in moral terms if he falls so far short f i'm a shoexman for peta but operate a slaughter house on the side i'm less believable. >> that makes sense. i don't think climate change is framed in moral terms. it's put in practical, pragmatic terms.

we're facing the cataclysmic climate change. that has moral implications but practical living implications. >> tucker: right. so how is it that in pursuit of living out your opinions on climate change you believe you ought to be allowed to violate the law? >> i'm not sure i'd say i want to be allowed to violate the law. what i believe, is that in taking the actions, such as we recently did, when we face charges and when we go to court, it is appropriate for us to be able to sman to the jury why we did, what we did. and to be able to call some expert with its that would testify to the facts as we understand them. >> tucker: but that's not, i mean, that's not really an act of conscience. typically when people protest what they think is an unjust

system and are punished for it, they say part of the action, part of the reason it's a noble action, is because they accept the consequences. yes, i know it's against the law, i did it anyway. why don't do you that? >> i'm not trying to get off here, certainly anybody engages in direct action, if you're going to stand there and get arrested, with the expectation that you may well be punished for it. in the action that i did, after two trials, i was convicted of burglary. i'm not protesting burglary, i have had my house broken into, burglary laws are good. all i'm saying, i'd like to be able to explain to the jury why i did what i did and call some experts then it's up to them. the jury can decide. i've now said -- >> tucker: i understand that. but does this, do you think, apply to others, do you think the guy who shot george tiller, abortionist, anyone shot by

anti-abortionists, ought to explain their position to the jury and that would be exculpatory? >> i do not think it should be an easy process by any means. it is a difficult one. rarely do judges allow presenting a necessity defense. if you do present a necessity defense, there are really high hurdles that you have to -- i think that is appropriate. >> tucker: do you think anti-abortion activists should abe loued to do that? >> well, first of all the example that you mention was violent. i'm committed to nonviolence. >> tucker: how about blocking a clinic? >> blocking a clinic, i think if people believe this is what -- actually, i think the pro-life movement is pretty comparable in a lot of ways to the political situation that climate activists face, insoluble problem that mainstream politics, both

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>> the device you said is sitting by our bedside. these companies wants to be with us and in conversation us with. we know this with the the phone. when the phone is in the other room it feels like the arm is severed from us. we've become addicted to these devices and they amasked incredible power over our personal lives and over our society they control public fear in a lot of ways and direction of democracy. and exert incredible influence over our destiny as a species. technology is a good things and it's enabled us to do incredible things and define us as a species. we're merging with these machines and in unpress dentd sort of way and when we merge with these machines which we were wear on wrist, google class on the bridge of our nose and sure gate brand founder of google will talk about the day google will be implanted in your brain.

we're not just mothering with machines we're merging with companies that operate those machines and run those machines and so, they're able to impose their values on to us through that i thought i was terrified before and more ter tied now in 45 seconds tell me why so few people in political class are concerned about this? >> well, look, in a lot of ways these platforms are free or low cost. and we don't see the long term damage these companies do to capitalism and democracy and into our individualalty and individualism. >> i hope this book sells as many books as michael wolff's book did work without mind. franklin foer is the author. >> that's it for us. tune in every night.

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