tucker up next. ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." if you have been paying attention lately, you may have noticed that president trump doesn't like the media and it may be media fervently don't like him back. it is a hate-hate relationship and it seems to be getting more contact us by the day. consider cnn's headline this morning by the president, you saw yesterday got a strikingly positive health evaluation. here was cnn's take on it. "overweight and doesn't exercise." in other words, doctors say he is mine, cnn because i'm fat. this has been going on since the very beginning, except for the day that the botched cruise missiles into syria, which delighted official washington,

as it always does, virtually all of trump's press coverage has been negative. reporters don't simply disagree with the administration onn policy, though they do, they feel personal contempt and loathing for the president, and theird bosses have encouraged them to express edge. in return, the president has struck back, dismissing the media as a fake news. in many cases, he's been right, and others, he is just attacked news he doesn't like to suck up like our politicians do. no and other circumstances, reporters would raise their standards, but these are not normal circumstances. there is a massive and eager audience for conspiracy theories, and that is why they are going 24/7 with this russia nonsense on some of the other networks. it is very lucrative for them. but there is another reason, too. in the american 2018, victim at his power. instead of improving their journalism, it is easier for reporters to complain about

their voices being suppressed. the irony, of course, is that free expression really is under attack in this country at the moment but most journalists don't seem to care or even notice it. twitter routinely bans accounts from expressing viewpoints its executives oppose. google tampers with its search results secretly to hide ideas and doesn't like and then fires employees who express those ideas. yet, weirdly, the media applaud all of us. they are not defenders of free expression. they are guardians of orthodoxy, elite orthodoxy. today, republican senator jeff flake of arizona took their side. in a speech on the senate floor, flake compared trump's criticism of the media to the soviet dictator joseph stalin. one of history's most prolific mass murderers, because of course, barking at jim acosta during a press conference is a lot like building death camps staging a famine in ukraine. no one ever accused jeff flake of being a genius. though he is right on one point,

government is the opponent of free expression. remember when president obama kicked newspaper reporters off of their campaign plan because his coverage was not favorable enough. that happened. the obama administration vox from the ban white house press corps because we didn't suck up hard enough. or the time the obama administration's appeal of the phone records from "the associated press" or the term they named fox news reporter james rosen in a criminal complaint back in 2010 presidena actually describes this news organization as "destructive for the long-term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class." in other words, fox news causes poverty. these attacks on press freedom have been on for years. where was jeff flake then? would not or member barack obama to joseph stalin or defending u. jeff flake did not hate obama the way he hates donald trump because't obama didn't threaten flake. if you are jeff flake or lindsey

graham or a dozen other republican senators who secretly despise their own voters, the obama years were a perfect time for you. you could complain about democratic control of government in a low-grade way, play the role of a principled opposition, give a few floor speeches come into a few tv hits and go home. he didn't have to do anything or change anything. it was the political equivalent of a no-show job. nice work if you could get it. there is a reason republicans haven't delivered a single major conservative law since welfare reform and that was more than 20 years ago. no wonder guys like jeff flake loathe trump. he called their bluff. suddenly republicans have all the power for the first time in decades, they could actually do what voters have consistently asked them to do for years. secure the borders, this time, for real. slow the flood of immigration that is making america poorer, more crowded, and dangerously unstable. but they don't want to do that, they are donors don't want them to do that. they can't admit that of course

with a call trump stalin. suddenly it all makes sense. john daniel davidson is a senior correspondent at "the federalists" and he joins us tonight. john, thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: trump page reporters, i can see why reporters don't like that, i don't always like his criticisms of the press. they strike me, though, as less dangerousus than an actual stalinist dynamic for the press sucks up to people in power and i'm struck by how, and that was forfo the eight years preceding this administration and nobody evert. said anything about it. why? >> you are absolutely right. you had reporters from mainstream outlets routinely take private meetings with president obama and be fed stories and narratives as the obama administration liked to say, and come back and regurgitate them point by point in support of whatever obama administration policy was being sold to them that day. this was the standard operating procedure for major news outlets

for eight years and now, they have the trump administration, which offends them and their sensibilities, and they are offended by the policies that the trump administration is trying to push. so they engage in a sort of hysterical overblown criticism that we saw jeff flake join in on today on the senate floor. >> tucker: i mean, jeff flake's mediocrity. he is irrelevant, he's retiring. i'm interested more in the reporters who really do shape our understanding of what is going on in the world. to me that they are ignoring the actual crisis and free expression, which is real. i've been in the workforce 26 years. there's never been a time in my lifetime andnd more people were fired more quickly for expressing their opinions in the workplace. this is an epidemic. i don't ever see coverage of that. why? >> like you said before, the press chooses not to see that, because all the people who are getting fired have the wrong views. you know, he looked back to the firing of brandon ike as the canary in the coal mine.

that seems like a long time agoh but that was a harbinger of things to come. they are very widespread with organizations like facebook and twitter that are essentially media organizations now, that function like media organizations, that have these draconian policies where they are obviously censoring news that they don't like, they are obviously censoring -- they don't care about free expression. you saw these undercover videos of twitter executives saying, oh, yeah, we cooperate with the chinese government in expelling and banning people from twitter all the time. they are not really interested in free expression. it's troubling to see just how disinterested they are and uninterested they are in the issue at all. >> tucker: but they are the guardians -- they are the opposite of what they ought to be. they are the guardians of orthodoxy rather than the defenders of paradox e. a journalist should take the side of the one guy who stands up with their own opinion. he saw james get fired at

google. damore and you saw the whole staff of business insider. basically piling on and sing i'm glad he's gone. he's a threat to the republican. what happened? who are these people posing as journalists? >> the one thing jeff flake gets wrong in the mainstream media gets wrong is that the number one threat, if there is a main threat toea our democracy, whent comes to the media, it's that the media has totally thrown away itss credibility with the american people. there was this gallup poll that showed more americans have a negative view of the media that have a positive view of the media. that is not good for a democracy. we need to have a robust, credible media to hold power accountable, and to inform the citizenry. we don't have that right now becauseth the media does not see itself as the guardians of free speech, the guardians of common americans, holding power accountable. they see themselves, as you say, protectors of the status quo status quo. >> tucker: if they were half

as comfortable as big business as they are of donald trump, we would be safer. john, thank you. out of the way, birth years, there is a new presidential conspiracy theory. it is called the girther movement after president trump's doctor discussed the physical results and he described his health is pretty good. >> age, 71 euros and seven months of the time of the exam.5 height, 71 inches.i wait, 239 pounds. i think the president, he had i talk, and he would like to lose, a reasonable goal over the next year,os 10-15 pounds. >> tucker: a pretty good report but it was immediately brushed aside by a lot of press corps. they speculated about what hidden ailments the president might have. watch. >> but if that is what, 6'3", 239 pounds looks like, that's a shock to me. [laughs] >> it seems like a trump fan boy. >> he said 239 pounds, whatever. >> i know i'm being a girther. >> as you mentioned, the

president has high cholesterol, heart disease, he's borderline obese. speak of his driver's license ie suddenly grew with age. >> old people shrink. >> the thing that is burning the girther movement is that he did in fact grow, that is part of the reason he is not being considereded obese. h if he was 1 inch shorter, he would have been obese. >> tucker: it shows you how physically cut off the press corps is from the rest of the country. here is nbc producer can, we'll call him that, he demanded that trump submit to a public way in. brian kilmeade is a host at "fox & friends,"& author of "andrew jackson and the miracle of new orleans" and he joins us tonight. [laughs] brian, the one thing i learned from watching the coverage is most reporters live

in neighborhoods without a single person who doesn't go to soulcycle at least four times a week. they have never seen a fat person. they think trump is obese! >> listen, he had a doctor, a real admiral come out, who impressed the bush family and the obama family and their respective staffs, and didn't know donald trump at all before he ran for president and won the white house. he came out and said, here's a thorough exam. the same media corps that missed fdr's wheelchair and woodrow wilson's stroke, and the back problems of o jfk, finally got a full exam, and a 55 minute presser to follow, where every question was answered, and they zero in on his height, which revealed too much weight. americans sometimes she'd lose 10-15 pounds. he is sadly healthy. this is the bad news for the press corps, as i understand it. this morning, tucker, i thought the big story was the crazy questions asked of that dr. later on when the show endsi find out, everyone doubts the ve

doctors comments and they want a public way in.on if hillary clinton had won, in this age of equality, would wen have done this pinch test on her?r? would we have asked for her weight and demand a second source? this is incredible. in the age of political correctness, we are fact chaining a president who simply has to lose 10-15 pounds. were they rooting for disease? something to stop them from being president. >> tucker: it tells you everything about their world, where being 10 pounds overweight really is a sin, though. i actually think a lot of reporters are upset by this, the idea that i-70 1-year-old man might be mildly overweight. that is worse than a war crime to them. i mean it. >> i will take it up a notch. from the group of people that wanted jules stein to contest the election because it was fraud, then they wanted delegatesthen to flip, that nevr happened, than the russian investigation hasn't yielded

anything, than the 25th amendment fell flat on his face because the president is sane, and then it turns out he might live through his term and not die of anm illness, and they are so upset, they are demanding a recount. this is incredible! i mean, this is -- you can't have it every single way. i have never seen people so disappointed that he wasn't riddled with disease. and he, for some reason, i think, at some point, is watching your i show and laughig out loud as he was that entire press conference. >> tucker: [laughs] i hope he is leading to a cheeseburger and chasing it with a three musketeers bar. i do! [laughs] there is something so transgressive about his eating habits in this h age of macrobiotic orthodoxy. i just love it. good for him. brian kilmeade, it is great to see you. >> i don't know if you read "the new york times," but paige 8 had the increased attack plan, the economic values, and the unemployment numbers, all good news. they might want to focus on that, not his weight, but i don't want to tell anyone what to focus on, but that is what

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the anticipation, what will the president too. he's been teasing this for a couple of weeks. he's listed about a dozen fake news stories in his words that he wants to highlight. we will run through the top five, starting with number five, theut president calling at "the washington post" for in his words, falsely reporting a massive sold-out rally in pensacola, florida, asem being empty. he saysai a dishonest reporter showed a picture hours before the event started and it was much, much bigger. number four: "time" magazine falsely reporting that a president removed the bust of dr. martin luther king jr. from the oval office, reporting that day one or date two of the administration. number three:n cnn, in the words of the president, falsely reporting that candidate donald trump but has not had access to hacked documents from wikileaks before the president did. that was not true. had to be retracted, as well. number two: the president coming after abc news' brian ross.

the president's words, brian ross "jokes and says markets in a downward spiral with false reports." remember, that was about retired general michael flynn and pleading guilty to the charge of lying to the fbi. brian ross suggesting that this dated back to actual collusion in the campaign, that had to be walked back. that was not true. the stock market crashed on that initial fake news. the president calling that out. finally, number one, the president's estimation for the 2017 fake news awards, i know you been waiting for this, tucker, "the new york times" paul krugman, the columnist claiming on the day of the president's landslide victory, and the president's words, the economy would never recover. as you can see from the market activity, today, announcements like apple saying they are pouring a lot more money into this economy, bringing repatriated money back into thec united states, that is something of the white house is crowing about tonight, tucker. >> tucker: paul krugman. unbelievable. great to see you.

a group of republican senators are pushing a daca deal that would give amnesty, the proposal, which is being promoted by seven republicans including disney graham, would offer a path as it for all the so-called dreamers, even those who are not part of daca. yeey would be eligible for welfare after five years. the diversity lottery would be "abolished." it would be reallocated to other programs with a another purpose. it even allows the parents of daca recipients who entered america as adults to get renewable work permits to stay in this country. if you care about borders, it is a terrible deal, really a parody of a bill. apparently decide to win over democrats who are threatening a government shutdown over daca. congresswoman martha mcsallyly is running to replace jeff flake in the senate and she joins us tonight. congresswoman, thanks for coming on. you spent many years in uniform, many years, over 20, i think.

how do you feel about the democrats saying basically out loud, provide amnesty or we will our troops? >> it's infuriating, tucker. this is a point i brought up in a white house meeting last week. i was moved when i heard dick durbinn say, there's lives hanging in the balance or something like that and i was like, the only lives that are hanging in the balance right now are those of the military. the men and women serving overseas, putting their lives in harm's way, there is a fake deadline created by the democrats holding them hostage. while our troops are over there risking their lives for us, these guys are messing around, trying to come up with some issue that is not even in the top 20 priority of the american people. p we need to look to morbid legislation like the bell i introduced last week that address of the priorities of the american people. the border security, and a chain migration, ending the visa lottery, addressing sanctuary cities, silent reform, on a -- unaccompanied minor reform, we

can continue to work on this over the next few weeks and months, there is no crisis here. they are holding the troops hostage for this issue that has nothing to do with funding the military. it'sri infuriating. >> tucker: the bill that you are backing is literally mainstream and that its major components are right in the of the polling on the question. >> exactly. >> tucker: to the senate version, which is being support, driven by lindsey graham and jeff flake, lindsey graham said that jeff flake will do whatever i tell him to do, , and a bunchf otherca republican senators, its very far from what you are proposing. can you win them to your side? >> we have to. this is a priority to the american people and we work for four and a half months on the spill. if you look at the white house but on a document with 70 requests on it. we work through them all, this is a very reasonable, prioritized proposal that focuses on security first and foremost of the american people, addresses the loopholes in our system, some of them are creating threats like we have seen with the terrorist attacks in new york city. they have to be closed.

the chain migration, the visa lottery system. it also ensures that if we are willing to do something on daca, if we get to that place, that we are not finding ourselves in a situation again and another one, five, ten years. this is a very reasonable approach. it should be the starting point andha this is where we need to t down and negotiate. >> tucker: congresswoman martha mcsally of arizona. thanks a lot for coming on. the trump administration investigating whether they can bring charges against the leaders of sanctuary cities. we'll ask a chicago alderman weather that makes him reconsider his support for sanctuary in his city. stay tuned. ♪

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>> tucker: there could shoon be a showdown in the c >> tucker: there could soon be a showdown in the city of chicago over sanctuary city policies. chicago has been one of the most aggressive places in the country in resisting the trump administration's efforts against illegal immigration and its political leaders could potentially pay the price for that by the department of homeland security has been asking federal prosecutors to ie bringing charges against sanctuary city c leaders across the country, including chicago. george is an alderman in chicago and he joins us tonight. thank you a lot for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: i asked this question to everybody who supports the policies that you support what i think it's particularly poignant since you are an alderman and chicago, which has a famously high murder rate and is teetering on the edge of insolvency. how would protecting the rights, so calledcy rights, of illegal immigrants in your city, help

the citizens of chicago? the citizens, american citizens, who live there? >> let me say, tucker, we are not near insolvency. that is wholly not true. we just -- >> tucker: tell me about their retirement liabilities that the city of chicago has, and which are made unfunded to day. [laughs] everybody who lives in chicago is laughing at what you just said. >> we are paying our pension liabilities, we have a problem, just like many other cities, by the way, we are not the only ones, facing looming pension liabilities. >> tucker: he will have one of the biggest problems in the cou. my only point is, i love chicago, but it's got a lot of real problems. >> it's a great city, tucker. >> tucker: how is this helping? that's the question. >> i know -- i'm just trying to correct you. we are not insolvent.

we have at, property tax, it helped, balance the budget, paying the pension liabilities. >> tucker: good for you for trying. i hope it works. let's get back to the question of how all the energy you are putting into helping people who shouldn't be here in the first place is benefiting the citizens, the american citizens of chicago. why should they be happy about this? > you know what, tucker, loo, i'm an alderman. my constituents are varied. there is chinese, lithuanian, polish, mexican, from varied parts of the world. i don't check their status when they come and ask me for help. it's un-american. it's not what i do. i wouldn't do it to anyone. >> tucker: your job -- i want to be clear -- your job iss to help any citizen of the world who asks for your help?

>> look, people come to my office for help, on various sors of things, services, and my office helps those people that come through the door. >> tucker: you don't think you have a special obligation to the citizens of this country? your obligation is the same for a citizen of bangladesh as it is for the citizen of america? >> i don't have any citizens of bangladesh. >> tucker: name a country. you said you don't have a special obligation to americans. >> i'm not checking citizenship status. >> tucker: yes, you are. you are protecting them. this whole policy w catastrophe- >> i'm not checking out the door whether they are citizens or not. most of the people i represent are citizens but what does it mean? i'm not checking at the door their ids to see if they are citizens or not. >> tucker: let's play a game where you answer at least one question that i ask you.'m >> i'm answering! >> tucker: do you think -- here's a a question -- let's see if you can answer. do you think that you have an obligation to represent american

citizens first above people who are here illegally? >> i represent my citizens very well, thank you, tucker. everyone that comes through my door -- >> tucker: [laughs] let's try a second one. >> you want me somehow to get us, just guess, they have to be blue-eyed and blonde to be american? >> tucker: it's ridiculous that you would even say something like that. >> is that your position? i t don't know. i can't tell. >> tucker: what a loathsome little demagogue you are to say something like that. what a loathsome little demagogue you are, to say something like that. just answer my question simply. >> i'm answering at the. >> tucker: do you have an obligation to american citizens of any color over people who are here illegally? it's really simple. can you answer that? >> i meet all my obligations,

tucker, i meet all my obligations from people i meet on the streets, everyone in the city the city. >> tucker: how do americans benefit from protecting illegal aliens in chicago? >> here, i can tell you, everybody here in this city knows that we are here and we will protect everyone, we are here for the security, we are for the benefit, and i don't -- >> tucker: so if i live in the south side, the highest murder rates in america, people are getting hold of my block, this is real, as you know, why should i be happy that you are spending your time, on the show, defending the rights of people who don't have a right to be here in the first place? why should i be happy about that? simple question. >> listen, you are throwing words outyo as if they mean anything, they don't. people that come to the door, it's because they live in themm community, they are looking for services, looking for help. again, we are not immigration. >> tucker: you are guys going to lose this debate because you don't have a real answer. when pressed, none of you guys have an answer.n >> that is the answer!

ask nicely when you accuse the person asking you of racism like you just did with me. >> what am i supposed to say? >> tucker: it'ski really simple. american citizens have a right to have their interests first. you don't agree with that. you accused me of racism. >> tucker, americans, there are black americans, there are -- >> tucker: it's not about race, it's about citizenship. >> you are asking me somehow to know whether that person is a citizen or not. i don't -- >> tucker: i'm not asking you to know. i'm asking you to care. i'm asking you to care. >> tucker: of course i care! why would i not care? >> tucker: i'm asking you as an american citizen, there's a finite amount of money in chicago, a fire in an amount of time. why should i as a citizen be happy that you are spending my time and money to protect people who don't have a right to be here. you're not answering that question. >> how do you know we are not protecting these people? >> tucker: we are getting into the circular part of the debate.

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>> tucker: a class this spring at ohio >> tucker: a class this spring at ohio state university is dedicated to what it clearly regards as the biggest problem it the country, with a lot of problems. of course, straight white men. bmn, masculinity's race and nation is the name of the class ended will attack white men for their. privilege and a bunch of ways. readings have titles like "advertising in the construction of violent white masculinity." white men have victimized everyone since the beginning of the time.

the president of new heights communication, a longtimes democrat who thinks deeply about these issues joins us tonight. here's my question, without getting into how unbelievably awful every straight white men is, i think that goes without mike's income as an electoral strategy, this has become really common, dismissing white men as bad, prima facie bad. isn't it kind of bad politics to tell tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands people, you hate themem for who they are? why would you do that? >> so that ohio state professor was not tapped to write policy the last time i checked. i don't see any policies coming out of the democratic party that are meant to demonize white men. >> tucker: oh oh, really? [laughs] i guess all of their beginning with affirmative action, and hiring set aside, it's not just ohio state. the senior elected democrat in the house of representatives last week attacked the

negotiations over daca only because they were being led by "five white men" as if that was inherently discrediting. >> that is something different. that is something i think that trump brings up for a lot of people, which is that he has in his one year in office already made the least cabinet -- the least diverse cabinet edna generation. his court appointments have been 91% white male. if you look at that as a woman, you think -- obviously women are not the only people on the planet, i don't believe they should been p the only people in positions of power but president trump doesn't seem to feel this way. >> tucker: i don't know. you are not supposed to attack people on things they can control, like gender and race. if. if all of a. sudden you could have elected officials openly attacking people, not just because the things they said or thinks they have done, believes they have come up with the basis of their t gender and race, that

is profoundly alienating to people of the same race and gender or other people of good conscience. >> may be saying that people frm certain african countries could all be the same way and not in a positive way? >> tucker: he attacked the country, whatever. if you don't like that kind of talk, then why engage in it? that is my question. >> no, no, look -- >> tucker: trump saying naughty thingst is not the answer. this is everywhere in the democratic party. i have a whole list of democratic officials attacking white men for being white men. what is the idea? >> they are not attacking white men for being white men. they are attacking the idea that things are not diverse and if we want to actually have sincere conversations in america about the way things are at the way we can improve our country, then we actually have to listen to more voices than just those of white men. >> tucker: here sally boynton brown, running for dnc chair, she runs the democratic party in idaho. she said my job is to be someone who shouts up other white people.

shuts them down. really? >> i remember that comment and that was a stupid comment but what she meant by that that sometimes the people in power need to sit back and do some listening as opposed to all the talking. >> tucker: she saying not every white man is in power, in fact some of the life expectancy for white men is coming down, that is not true for any other group. a lot of white menor with no por at all, in fact they are dying younger than other people. i guess is the assumption that because of your race and gender you somehow have power is itself a definition of racist? i think we both agree. why say that in public? what is the point of it? >> again, i think that is a pretty dumb statement she made bed again, the sentiment behind it i think it's one that can agree with, is that sometimes the people in power need to be doingg the listening is head of the talking. >> tucker: i completely agree with that. i feel that way about nancy pelosi, whose held power for too long and she can listen but it's u not about her race or sex. bottom line, how can a party

that attacks people on the basis of their race expect race expected win any votes? >> again, i don't believe that the democratic party does attack basis of their race. i think that is something that we've seen a lot from the republican party. >> tucker: wow. we may be living in different worlds. christy, thank you for joining us. bill de blasio's regime and new york is suing oil companies over climate change. we'll talk to an activist who says it is okay to break the law to fight climate change. he will join us next with a new understanding of the law. stay tuned. ♪ so you can break away from everyone else. the bold lexus is. experience amazing. and i know that we havethe phone accident forgiveness.nt, so the incredibly minor accident that i had tonight- four weeks without the car. okay, yup. good night.

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makehe no mistake, he is a true warrior for the climate and you can tell because he's using tax made money to sue oil companies over climateve change. he puts other people's money where his mouth is. pretty clever. a climate activist said he would go further, it's okay to break the law for the sake of climate change. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> hey, thanks for having me. i just heard you call somebody a -- what was it? demagogue? >> tucker: yougo know, that was then, this is now. totally different segment, different guest, i'm glad to see you. > i'm wondering what i got myself into. >> tucker: come on. i don't do that unless -- this. ask you i won't call you that are hopefully anyone else that ever againha. why can the o mayor of new york call himself a warrior against climate change if he uses a helicopter to get around his city when you could take public transportation? >> you know, you ask these kind of questions all the time.

i think it is a very fair question. i think we are trying to change an entire system here. partly you can do that by your own behaviors and i think that is exemplary. so yeah, i i think anybody whos concerned about climate change out to be very concerned about their own carbon impact, and at the same time, we are trying to achieve political change in america as it is, and it's very hard to do that without burning fossil fuels. >> tucker: i understand that. there are practical limits to people's ability to live out theirr beliefs but i do think it calls into question the sincerity of a person who is framing the debate in moral terms if you fall so far short. in other words, if i am a spokeswoman for peta but i operate a slaughterhouse homicide, that makes me less believable. >> a totally does. i don't think climate change is being framed in moral terms, it is being put into practical, pragmatic terms. we are facing a cataclysmic

climate change. it has moral implications but it's got, you know, practical living implications. >> tucker: right. so how is it that, in pursuit of living out your opinions on climate change, you believe you ought to be allowed to violate the law? >> i'm not sure i would say i would want to be allowed to violate the t law, what i beliee is that in taking the actions such as we recently did, when we face charges and when we go to court, it is appropriate for us to be able to explain to the jury why we did what we did. to be able to call some expert witnesses that were testify to the facts as we understand them. >> tucker:r: but that's not really an act of conscience, then.

typically, when people protest what they think is an unjust system and are punished for it, they say part of the action, part of the reason it's a noblec action, is because they accept the consequences and say, it's against thela law, i did it anyway. why don't you do that? >> i'm not trying to get off here, certainly, anybody who engages in direct action, if you are going to stand there and get arrested, it's with the expectation that you may well be punished for it. anyct action that i did after to trials, i was convicted of burglary. i am not protesting burglary. i had my house broken into. i think burglary laws are good. all i am saying is i would like to explain to the jury why i did what i did and call some experts and then it's up to them. the jury can decide. >> tucker: i-- understand. does this right apply to others? do you think the guy who shot abortionists that were -- ought

to be able to explain their positions to a jury and that will be will be exculpatory? >> they should not be an easy process by any means. it is a difficult one, rarely do judges allow presenting the defense, if you do presented, there are some really high hurdles, that you have to -- and i think it's appropriate. >> tucker: do you think antiabortion activists should be allowed to do that, though? >> first of all, the example you mentioned was violent. nvm committed to nonviolence. >> tucker: how about blocking a clinic? >> blocking a clinic, i think that if people believe that is -- i think that the pro-life movement is pretty comparable in a lot of ways to the political situation the climate activists face. it's an insoluble problem that the mainstream politics, in this case, both parties are not

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. check is big and getting >> tucker: tech is big, getting bigger. amazon's eco device can hear everything you say and many have cameras that can see everything, as well. instead of fleeingic in terror, americans are buying them in huge quantities, putting those cameras in theirir bedrooms. what could go wrong? the author of the brilliant and insightful new book called "world without mind," . he joins us tonight. i should note, you are one of then relatively few people on te left to take a thoughtful position on that, thank you for that. the subtitle, "the existential threat of big tech."

why that? speak of the device you describe visiting by the bedside. these companies want to be with us all the time and be in conversation with us. we know this with our phone, where when our phone is in the other room, it feels like our arm has been severed from us. we have become addicted to these devices at these companies have amassed incredible power over our personal lives but also come over our society. they control the public sphere and a lot of ways. therefore, the direction of democracy. they also exert incredible influence over our destiny as a species. technology is a good thing and it's unable to do as incredible things, a even define us as a s, but we are emerging with these machines in an unprecedented sort of way, and when we merge with these things, the cofounder of google talks about the day google is going to

be implanted in your brain, we are not just merging with machines, we are merging with the companies that operate those machines and that run those machines. so they are able to impose their values onto us through that. >> tucker: i thought it was terrified before. i'm more terrified now. in 45 seconds, tell me why so few people in the political class are concerned about this. >> looked, and a lot of ways, these devices, these platforms are free, low cost, they make life incredibly efficient and so we are shortsighted and thinking about them. we can only say that we get a package delivered to us in a couple of hours, our email is free, we don't see the long-term damage that these companies do to capitalism, democracy, to our individuality and individual freedom. >> sean: i >> tucker: i hope thk sells as many as michael wolff stood. take you so much.

that is it for us. tutor and every night to the show that is the enemy of lying, verbosity, smugness, and groupthink. good night fromk washington. sean hannity from new york. >> sean: line, the boss verbosity, smugness and groupthink. always great to see you. welcome to "hannity." we have breaking news this hour. president trump has released his highly anticipated fake news awards. it crashed the g.o.p..com sites in seconds, the most traffic they ever had. also, the trump-hating liberal media, they are refusing to us accept the fact that your president is in excellent health and more than fit to serve, may be for two terms. the partisan press is going to on the conspiratorial rabbit hole and they are now trump health troopers. i'll explain that entry have all the video proving this insanity. cnn used the words [bleep]hole hundreds of words last week.