♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." it is now clear that for many of our elected leaders, it is not even worth having a country if that country comes with real borders. the federal government menu may have heard is on the brink of shutting down tomorrow. if congress can come to funded. the main stumbling block is daca, president obama's program. almost all democrats and many republicans are pushing for an amnesty for daca recipients as well as for millions of other illegal immigrants. there is a striking fanaticism to their position. illegal immigrants must be kept in this country at all costs in a matter what.

for democrats, it's understandable because the calculus is simple. having a band of my concerns of the middle-class year, they'd need millions of new voters and they need them fast. otherwise their party risks becoming m a permanent minority, replacing ungrateful citizens with obedient immigrants as their only hope. every democrat who thought i threw for a minute knows this well. they can't say it in public because it's horrible. so instead they are trying a new talking points. illegal immigrants are terrific people, every single one of them, far more noble and law-abiding then you are. how do you complain about their presence? you must be a bigot. the one problem with this line of argument is that is vulnerable to facts. until recently there really were few reliable numbers on crimes committed by illegalis immigrans and this allowed democrats to pretend that every person who sneaks up across our border becomes a heart surgeon or member of seal team six. we have the data, and it turns out, surprise, surprise, they have been lying to you.

in arizona, illegal immigrants commit to and a half as many martyrs as american citizens do. almost 50% more likely to be in gangs. they commit more armed robbery and sex crimes against children. overall, they are twice as likely to be convicted of crimes of all crimes, not immigration related. that is just one state. in california, an illegal alien murdered two police officers. hete had been deported from this country multiple times. in each case, he came back thanks to politicians who have zero interest in people keepine like him out. in court this tuesday, he bragged about his plans to escape from prison and murder more. >> tucker: is so illegal immigration divides the country, it lowers wages for those who cn least affordho it, and in somee cases, it literally costs americans their lives. so why are we doing this?

because it's our moral duty, that's what our leaders are telling us, we have to, that is who we are. just days ago, the senate's most celebrated moral philosopher, lindsey graham of south carolina, spoke for the country's entire ruling class when he explained the rationale for his views on immigration. diversity is our strength. you for that phrase before, you hear it every day. in effect, it's our new national motto, soon to replace the outdated and polar opposite sentiment, e pluribus unum. diversity is our strength. it will be on our courtesy before long. what is exactly does it mean? you may have noticed that nobody bothers to explain what it means and is it true? the less we have in common, the stronger we are? is a marriage stronger when spouses have radically different beliefs? are you closer to your kids when you share no common points of reference? do you speak the same language as your best friend? could you be best friends if you didn't? these are important questions given that our leaders are

radically and permanently changing our country, wholly on thes, basis of their faith that diversity is in fact our strength. maybe we should have talk this through t ahead of time. sometime we didn't. house majority leader kevin mccarthy tried to start the conversation today. >> we did not survive, grow, and become the most powerful civilization in human history because we were focused on our diversity. it is not our differences that makes us stronger. it is our unity despite our diversity. unity in past of principles and of the purpose that brought us out ofy money into one. >> tucker: in other words, diversity isn't our strength. unity l is our strength. don't let the left lieie to you, that doesn't mean we have to look alike, we don't have to come from the same places, it does mean we have to share common beliefs. otherwise we will hate each other and the whole enterprise of fall apart.

that is true of families, friendships, and countries come too. you already do that because it's obvious. our leaders spend most of their time denying it. they are lying to us. a phoenix city council member who is running for mayor inr tht city and supports the continuation of daca joins us tonight. thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much for having me. >> tucker: i'm trying to think about how legalizing people who are here illegally helps american citizens. in arizona we have some data on this because the state passed one of the top anti-immigration laws in 2010 on the effects of that have been studied. there was a short term labor shortage. people here to work, they can't work, there was a labor shortage. overtime, automation made up for it and wages went up for american workers, costs, meanwhile, went down. prison costs, education costs, dramatically, hundreds of millions of dollars. why does it help the economy to

legalize people here illegally? >> right now the city of phoenix is the fastest growing city in the entire country. we added more people in 2016 than any other city. we arere constrained for our workforce right now. we just had some folks from the homebuilding industry come into the city of phoenix and say we could do so much more if we had a larger construction workforce. we could be creating jobs, we coulde be building new affordabe homes for people to live in, but we don't have the workforce weth need. they said the point that they really feel like it's changed was i not having enough through immigration. >> tucker: i bet they feel that way. a lot of employers make that case, they want cheaper labor. i think all employers do. why i wouldn't they? if that's true, if more illegal immigrants make a place richer, then how many, specifically, do you think arizona or phoenix need? how many illegals do you need to

make it richer? what were we better? 10 million? with that make it richer? >> right now we are concerned about the daca recipients in our city. arizona has 28,000 dr. recipients who have been grt members of our community, who wentdu to our high schools, were educated here, we've been investing in them for years. now they are ready to give back and we are worried about their future right now. our republican governor has stepped up and said they are an important part of our economy, we want them to stay. >> tucker: you just said -- i want to get to the nub of it. ii think it's a big deal. we knew legalize people, they bring their relatives, it changes a place, may be for the better, maybe for the worse. i think we should be clear about the effects. if bringing in more people illegally and making them citizens makes you more prosperous, why wouldn't you 1 bringll in 10 million and become really, really rich? with edward? >> immigrantsaz have been an amazing attribute years to our

community. if you look atf some of the data from mark zuckerberg's organization, so many of the entrepreneursan who have built r tech economy came here through immigration and we in phoenix are desperate for more -- >> tucker: how many big tech companies were started byy peope from central and south america, latin america? >> right now i'm sitting in phoenix, arizona, very close to a company that was started by a gentleman from panama. it's one of the top engineering companies in this community and they actually are one of our largest employers of at-risk veterans. a wonderful -- >> tucker: i bet he's a great guy but how many big tech companies were started by the immigrants that are talking about, since you brought it up? how many? >> s we have so many success stories in this community. some of them have gotten national attention.

>> tucker: with respect, i'm not attacking immigrants, i like immigrants, i'm sure they're great people, but people who live here, born here, citizens, have a right to know the effect of this. how many is the optimal number, if bringing in people illegally and giving them citizenship makes them more prosperous, what's the ideal number of people we should give citizenship to? >> our country and community was built by immigration and we have so many stories in this community -- >> tucker: i'm looking for facts and i think it's fair to ask for facts. a researcher, a social scientist, got a hold of of the conviction numbers, which the state of arizona has hidden from the population, lying to the population about the effects of immigration. he found that illegal immigrann the state of arizona were more than twice as likely to commit murder and more likely to commit crimes of all kinds, violent and property crimes. given that, those are facts, how can you reassure the legal

residents of arizona of all backgrounds that this is good for them? i don't understand. >> we and cities throughout our community have seen great success stories and people feel work through with the police department and there is trust. we've had folks who did not have legal immigration status but were willing to work with the police department and have been very important in helping us particularly with drug-related crimes. >> tucker: but do you acknowledge the reality of what i just said? the study, which got a hold of arizona state numbers, which are legitimate, said that people illegally in arizona are far more likely to commit serious crime. do you not believe that? are you ignoring it? what's your response to that? >> i just received the arrest on crime data from the last calendar year, 2017, for the city of phoenix, and that wasn't what we found in the city of phoenix. unfortunately, violent crime was led by people who live here and who were born here.

>> tucker: that's not the question. people who were there illegally more likely or less likely to commit serious crimes in in the city of phoenix? are you really saying they were less likely? i don't think that's what the numbers show. >> the 2017 numbers tell a very different story than the story that that researcher is telling you. >> tucker: are you saying, to clear, are you saying that you see numbers that in the city of phoenix, people here illegally were less likely to commit serious crimes then citizens? just want to get you on the record. >> we need comprehensive immigration reform. it is to one oh, oh, you are slipping out of the question.im i'm asking a very simple question and you're not giving me a real answer and i think that house the whole story.re thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thanks for having replayed >> tucker: democrats realizeic that cutting off paychecks for military service men on behalf of people here illegally bind be a hard sell to voters. for months we been hearing that the government could shut down if republicans refused to

continue daca. in november, congressman luis gutierrez it says we want a clean dream act in return for funding the government, just give them amnesty. a week ago, "the washington post" was totallybi unambiguous on this question. "the thorniest issue holding up funding agreements with democrats demanding that daca recipients be protected." everyone knew that, no one denied it, yet, oddly, with the shots onnt eminent, democrats ae abruptly changing their story. the issue now they say is health care, somehow, today democratic leader nancy pelosi said the real issue is that republicans want to permanently extend the chip program, the federal help in insurance. "this isn't about dreamers, this is about what is in there to help meet the health needs of the american people." does anyone believe that? no one believes that because it's not true. america isn't the only country with a major political split over the question of who comes in and under what circumstance. it's not the only country where

its leaders baldly lie to its own people about the effects of that immigration. yesterdayon in sweden a police station was hit by a grenade attack. that is more common than it has been, explosive attacks have exploded in the past few years as sweden has welcomed a massive number of immigrants into its once famously placid society. this is caused a lot of effects, some of the political. we recently spoke to a man who is an iranian immigrant to sweden who unlikely as it is has become a leader, i celebrated one, and the push for tougher immigration laws. watch. >> tucker: what is the problem with sweden's immigration system now? >> there are many problems. it's very hard to define one. the biggest problem is the amount of immigrants that are coming in. in the last couple of years, we have taken in about 260,000 asylum-seekersd, for comparison, that could be like america

taking in about eight or 9 million asylum-seekers.e this is people that sweden provides housing, health care, schooling, and all these expensive services that the swedish welfare system gives to people and this has created, of course, a lot of huge costs in the short run for the swedish system but also, when we look at long-term, what we are seeing now with crime and poverty, is the effects of having a very lax migration system for ten, 15 years ago. what we are seeing now, basically ghettos and street gangs, it's a phenomenon that we have never even heard of in sweden, and also, jihadists traveling abroad. these are problems that are new to sweden.

sweden's system is not capable of -- it's not designed to handle these problems. for example, in unemployment, in 2006, about 20% of people unemployed were immigrants and foreign born. today, that number is up to 60%. >> tucker: you are an emigrant from a muslim family and yet you've taken a hard line against muslim immigration, mass immigration from muslimtr countries. what is the response been to you? >> if we want to help people, and that is truly what we want to do, we cannot put so much pressure to the system that the system collapses under its own weight. and the response i have been having, because i am merely putting this statement out, saying, there is a limit to how many people you can take in, has been to call me basically uncle

tom,ar house [bleep], these is t from random people on the street, these are people who have prominent posts in parties, on the left, in newspapers, and this is, of course, because i don't tell them that which wisl thinking they want to hear. >> tucker: were very familiar in this country. you're a brave man. thank you for joining us. > thank you. >> tucker: that man could be the next prime minister of sweden. nancy pelosi says the republican party wants to foist something repulsive on america, so repulsive we probably won't describe it on america tonight. mark steyn here to clear the air on the question. ♪ i switched to geico and got more. more savings on car insurance?

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>> tucker: congressman is on the brink of a shut down literally >> tucker: congress is on the brink of a shutdown tomorrow. nancy pelosi wanted meant that becausedm that would be admittig the democrats are shutting the government down because republicans refused to legalize people here illegally. she's claiming democrats want to shut the government down because the republican party is trying to do something repulsive. here's her explanation. >> this is like giving you a bowl of doggy do come put a cherry on top and call it a chocolate sundae. this is nothing. >> tucker: meanwhile, over at cnn, crisco almost as republican party is guilty of the horrifying sin of vilifying

people who snuck into our country and our demanding rights and money. here he is. >> you guys have a pretty intentional effort to make illegal immigrants, as you call them, monsters. you put out this dhs report today that fictionalize is the risk of terror that is represented by people who come into this country illegally. we understand it's against the law, we understand it has to stop,ll but why make them all io villains? >> tucker: mark steyn is an author and columnist and an actual thinker and he joins us tonight. mark, when people like the guy wewe just showed put air quotes around the phrase illegal immigrant, what does that mean? are you not allowed to admit that they are immigratingg illegally? >> yeah, i think he doesn't recognize that category. what's interesting is that both he and nancy pelosi and others are on that side of the aisle, they are getting ever more

explicit in their preference for illegal immigrants, so-called, as he would say, over american citizens. crisco almost went on to say that the real problem is white supremacists in america. they are the real monsters, not these nice, hardworking, illegal immigrants. that may be well entry. i mean, for the purposes of argument, let's say he's right. it's irrelevant. but white supremacists are american citizens. the illegal immigrants are people that shouldn't be here. the organizing principle of nation-states is that they organize on behalf of their citizens, whether they are citizens or cheerleaders are white supremacists or whatever. you're stuck with them. this preference that nancy pelosi and crisco omo and increasing people have for actually importing a class of

citizen they prefer to the ones they are stuck with this very revealing. >> tucker: how can you lead a country's population you despise? would you be a good parent if you hated your kids? e would you be an effective officer if he didn't care about the safety of your mind? prima facie, doesn't that show that you are not ready to lead if you don't love the people you are leading? >> you said about parents and kids, every family, i think it was malcolm who said that friends are god's apology for relatives. in other words, you pick your friends, you're stuck with the relatives. the democrats are getting very close to saying that foreigners are god's apology for americans. nancy pelosi has explicitly said that we should think the parents of these so-called dreamers, the daca people, for bringing them here illegally. in fact, to go back to what your swedish guest was saying, you

know, whatever the economic benefits, which are minimal and not evenly distributed, the cultural transformation, which is what is happening in sweden, other parts of europe, and is what is happening in arizona, too, that is forever. in arizona, a majority of the grade school children now are hispanic. that means arizona's future is as a hispanic society. that means in effect the border has moved north. the cultural transformation outweighs any economic benefit that lady was talking about. >> tucker: is at the very least bewildering for people who grew up here and that's real. i don't think you have to be animated by hate to say maybe i should have some say in how my country evolves. mark, thank you very much. >> thanks a lot, sean. >> tucker: more evidence that the las vegas shooter stephen paddock may not have acted alone. not a conspiracy f theory.t

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>> tucker: almost four months since the las vegas shooting, the worst in modern american history, still many mysteries and developments in this case. two days ago, a lawyer for the las vegas police indicated new charges could be forthcoming. odd since the only suspect is dead. detectives, though, saying very little. catherine lombardo was the

attorney representing the victims of las vegas. first, catherine, what do you know? >> we had court two days ago. it was the hearing for the press, where they have asked the court to release the search warrants, the affidavits, and all of the returns, which means the evidence. we heard was quite shocking and surprising. you have to remember that sheriff lombardo with the las vegas metro police has told us at the briefings that stephen paddock was the lone shooter. he was the only shooter. however, at the hearing, we heard two things. one, there will be no indictments coming for any murder or shooting, however, they are investigating other charges and crimes. they wouldn't say who. they wouldn't say what. the entire courtroom took a gasp and looked up and went silent,

and even the judge reacted, and the judge said, okay, without telling me who are what, are you saying to me that there will be other charges forthcoming? and the lawyer for the police said, yes, there are other charges being investigated. the judge pressed him on that when he said within 60 days. what the judge did, she asked him for further supplemental briefings to explain to her what that contains, who it is, what it's about. you see, we are asking, the press is asking for the documents, the evidence, to be released, since there is no ongoing criminal investigation. >> tucker: that would be nice. to answer basic questions such as how and an interior door locked inside the hotel suite. congressman, you're the only member of congress who has taken a public position asking questions. what are your questions? >> i smell a rat like a lot of americans,th nothing is adding , it's been four months. the man is dead, they said he's

a lone gunman, lone shooter, yet we can get the autopsy results. even more troubling, recently, i've been made aware of what i believe to be credible evidence, possible terrorist infiltration regarding list incident. >> tucker: terrorists connection? >> let's face it. isis before the attack warned the united states that they would attack las vegas, in june and august, and then after the attack, claimed responsibility four times. meanwhile, the local law enforcement investigative services are telling us there is no terrorist connection, lone gunman. again, something's not adding up. >> tucker: that is part of my confusion. catherine, can you confirm that this is being overseen by state and local authorities rather thanau r federal? >> that's right. the fbi and las vegas metro police department have been conducting investigation.

we see no evidence of a terrorist attack. i will ask with all new due re, unless you haver evidence, if yu do have any evidence of that, i'm asking you right now to share it with us and tell us what that is. my client, the victims, all 22,000in people are waiting and waiting and waiting -- >> tucker: left of the congressman respond. >> we've all been waiting. i'm waiting, too. nothing adds up. i'm telling you, i have received what i failed to be for credible evidence of aen possible terrort nexus. >> what is it? what is it? >> tucker: hold on. i'm not taking a position but i want to dig down a little bit. if that is your belief, does congress havee a role to play? >> i don't know that congress has a role but the national counterterrorism center.

if isis claims, if isis warns about an attack and then an attack occurs in claims responsibility after the fact, it seems to me that at a minimum, they should have some portion of the investigation to clearly debunk that claim and yet, it hasn't happened. >> tucker: tomorrow, we are out of time, but we'll be taking a press conference tomorrow out of las vegas by the investigators, hopefully we'll learn more. i hope we speak to both of you. thank you both very much. a powerful lobbying group wants tol roll back a lot of the republican party's recent tax cuts to the middle class. we invited them on and they refused. we'll discuss it anyway. that's w next. ♪go your own way copd tries to say, "go this way." i say, "i'll go my own way" with anoro. ♪go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators,

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♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: time now for "final exam" where we put two heartedness professionals against each other in a gladiator style match to see who has been paying more attention. last week, you'll remember that leland vittert and end shannon bream's legendary nine match winning streak. kenny started to give his aunt tonight? that's a question.n. his challenger, carley shimkus. they join us tonight on set. >> not even close to nervous. >> tucker: [laughs] l i love it. >> feeling confident. >> tucker: are you?

do you know the rules? >> let's refresh. >> tucker: . >> tucker: hands-on browsers. i will ask questions. the first one to pause and it's to answer. each correct answer is worth a point. if you get it wrong, you lose a point. best of five wins. ready? question one. north and south korea will join forces and they the winter olympics next month, the two countries have agreed to come together to create a single tear which women sport? carley. >> figure skating. >> tucker: figure s skating. to the tape we go. >> what will be a very rare sites during next month's winter olympics, north and south korea agreeing to form a joint team and marge under one flag. >> they will play together in the united women's ice hockey team. >> tucker: other judges have ruled that just because it's on ice skates, it's not the same.

>> i think we should do a half point. cannot be a new rule? [laughter] >> tucker: we have a room full of accountants. unfortunately, we can't count that. nice try, though. question two. you are about to see an image of a car dangling off the second floor of a dental office. crazyid dashcam footage of that image went viral on the internet this week. how did the car get there? carley. >> a little bit of a back story. as i was arrested, he received , he flew over the median, and because of the trajectory, ended up in the second story of the dental office. >> tucker: quite an answer. [laughs] let's see if the tape reflects that. to the tape. >> this happened in santa ana. look at that. they hit that median and the car, as he saw, went airborne. itd landed right on the secondar floor of a dental office. the car, there you see it,

dangling right off that buildin building. >> isn't that unbelievable footage? >> tucker: he walked away? >> there was nobody in the dental office i believe and he was arrested but he's okay. minor injuries. >> tucker: amazing. so you are back to even. we are at stasis, status quo, park, 0-0. question three. a medical briefing, i televised one from a real that the president is healthy but that did not stop reporters from fat shaming him. one nbc producer asked trump to prove his weight with a very strange request. what was that? carley. >> step on a scale. >> tucker: i don't believe that. >> let's see. we went to the tape. >> a member of nbc's investigative unit tweeted out of this jam. >> seeing a lot of skepticism over the idea that donald trump weighs only 239 pounds. what a step on a scale in public to prove it?

>> he'll do that when reporters and anchors agreed to public lie detector tests during their broadcasts or after their broadcasts. >> the prize match! >> tucker: okay. step on a scale. i would not have guessed that. question four, the temperature rises on the site. google, a large search engine company, just released a new app that has become popular. the app takes your selfie, a picture of you, and compares it to what? >> portraits. museum, famous museum pictures, paintings, and portraits. founded museums. >> tucker: that's bizarre. does the tape reflect portraits, famous portraits? >> your image could resemble a work of art on the walls of a museum somewhere. this is located in indonesia and it is a famous, very famous painting. i like it.,

>> this is such b.s. i did mine on a my own. thish. is what i came up with. you are so lonely and needy that you will let google use your face. >> the reason i knew that is because i did it this weekend the portrait i received, i got a 60% match, that of a bald man. >> tucker: let's see, i think we did it, too. let see what we came up with. >> is that me? i don't know how i feel about that. >> tucker: we also did to leland. this is the poet robert burns. >> did they do you, tucker? >> tucker: i'm a -- yes. >> he does have very nice hair. >> tucker: i think they took our fox i.d. badge pictures. [laughs] >> tucker: all right, last question from a multiple choice. actress and comedienne betty white had a birthday yesterday. she credits her longevity too hr love of hotdogs an end vodka,

naturally. how old is betty white? ishi 86? 90? 96? >> she's 8086 years old. > wow >> tucker: she is 86 years old so carley. to the tape. >> very, very happy birthday for a golden girl. betty white, everybody. >> did i get that right? >> tucker: no, i think you are wrong. she's 96. off by ten years. >> no! >> tucker: that doesn't prevent you from winning 1-0. the lowest score ever recorded but still an impressive shelving. >> congratulations. >> tucker: i will say to you what shannon said to me in the n roomhe a couple of minutes ago. she said you only have eight more championships to win before she will come back for a challenge. >> tucker: rising like lazarus. win the coveted mouth breather mug. you are the most popular person

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she explained things, it was like a complete -- it was crazy town. it was nuts. she told me that if it was real, she would probably die, and i said i would never marry again, i might live with a model but i wouldn't marry. >> tucker: isn't your wife already a model? >> she's ao, designer. i said i would visit her wherever she was laid to rest, provided it was nearst the surfe of decent restaurants. >> tucker: those would be her last words to her? and they were sardonic? >> i'm joking. i got to tell you, she was so lucky i wasn't there because she's pretty calm. i'm a kind ofst person and a disaster movie that theer hero slaps. "get yourself together." o i'm the guy that eats the rations on the first day and i'm not even that hungry. she was very calm. it was not a fun experience.pi she watched mothers weeping over the phone about -- they won't see their kids again, and she saw families dragging their

children's, crying. it was absolute chaos. s >> sean: a sincere question. that's a profound experience. most people don't face imminent death in their lifetime, and the people who do are changed by it. was she changed by it? i'm not joking. >> do you think the state is different or she? >> tucker: the people who went through this? >>ro here's the big problem. i said this on "the five." we don't care enough about these events because nothing happened. a close call is almost no different than actually happening but as human beings we don't see it that way so it'st almost like a distant memory, and the same way we don't talk about vegas anymore, vegas didn't have a part two so we parted ways with that story, and this story has no part two. we don't know what's going on right now, so we've moved on and plus there's a lot of news going on but i think this is a really, really important story. the emergency management,he they put -- you don't put a missile notification menu next year d

playlist. this is serious business. you don't just reassign somebody. you got a look at the whole system. if we don't put pressure on this, it will go away and nothing will change and i -- they have to take this seriousl seriously. i l talk to people, a lot of people who were there afterward, and they had changed. when you go through an event like that, you never forget that you thought your family was going to die. youor never forget that. >> tucker: there's upset and that, actually pray to put things in perspective. i'm not making light of this, it's horrifying, but i think there is a blessing in there. >> i'm glad i wasn't there. i would have embarrassed myself beyond belief. >> tucker: [laughs] i don't't know about that. >> i panic when i have gas. my wife would've left me if we had lived. >> tucker: i'm sure she will be greatly improved.lr elena was pretty great already. greg gutfeld, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> tucker: we are out of time,

sadly. tune in tomorrow night at 8:00 to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying come up and positively, smugness, and groupthink. you can dvr it. good night from washington. sean hannity is right now. >> sean: tucker come a great show always. tonight, in this hour, we will corroborate so much of what we have been telling you, i promise you, you don't want to miss a minute. breaking, the house passes a short-term spending bill that will go to the scented we are following the latest developments as the deadline nears the government shutdown. by the way, the government shutdown is not a big deal. the president also takes a huge victory lap today in pennsylvania on the economy. we will play for you what he had to say. first, based on today's events, i have a message tonight for the special counsel robert moeller. your witch hunt is now over. time to close the doors. that is thes focus of a very important news breaking opening