there's no legislation that's available right now to tack on. >> jon: it will be interesting to see who gets the blame, if it happens, or if one side might blank. we will be watching it for you throughout the day. thank you for joining us. >> melissa: "outnumbered" starts right now. >> sandra: we are waiting for marx and president trump it he is going to address march for life participants via satellite from the rose garden. the activists are gathering at the mall to walk to the nation's capital to net capital approach is about legalized abortion. mr. trump's speech will march the first time in the event 45 year history, that a sitting president addresses the crowd to a live video feed. back to your advice come up vice president mike pence spoke last year. we will bring you to live when he began speaking. fox news alert on a major showdown in the senate. with a government shutdown at stake, a source telling fox news to expect a shutdown. they say it will happen this

weekend. because of senate rules, it doesn't look like a boat is going to happen in time to keep the government running. now the blame game is on. this is "outnumbered," i'm sandra smith. here today, there she is, harris faulkner. kennedy, marie harf, and on "outnumbered" today, there he is conservative commentator, lawrence jones is here. we always love to have you. what a day this is shaping up to be. >> lawrence: everyone must be on good behavior today. >> harris: i got to give up one. >> sandra: good to have you. let's get right to it. a senior source telling fox news to expect a government shutdown this weekend. we are told to come last maybe two maybe three days. congress is divided over a temporary spending bill to keep the government running. if the past in the house, the rules make it impossible in the senate to meet the deadline of midnight tonight.

now each side is blaming each other. they are holding the government hostage over their demands to protect dreamers from deportation. those were the hundreds of thousands of immigrants that came here illegally as kids. paul ryan says if the government shuts down, it is all in democrats. >> if we do have a government shutdown that the democrats insist on, they don't get paid. they are holding our military hostage. senator schumer said this very strategy a few years ago was governmental chaos. nancy pelosi called it legislative arson. this is exactly what they are doing, and it's completely unnecessary to hold the government hostage for something that's completely unrelated. >> sandra: they need 13 democrats to break the filibuster, but they are standing their ground. here's chuck schumer. speak of the bottom line is very simple, our leader, our republican leader has said that he will not negotiate until he

knows where president trump stands. that's why negotiations haven't gotten anywhere. i'm not trying to play for political points. even false ones. i am trying to get us to come together on a bipartisan nature. to get something done. >> sandra: president trump 20, "the government spending bill passed last night in the house of representatives. now democrats are needing it is to pass in the senate, but they want illegal immigration and weak order. shutdown coming? winning more republican victories in 2018." the president is delaying his planned trip to florida for the weekend until after he signs a temporary spending bill. marc short is driving paul ryan's point home. >> appears senate democrats are going to force a shutdown. i think there's honestly a lot of hypocrisy in this town.

>> sandra: still getting choked up there. there is the chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel in the middle of it all. >> the house did its job last night passing a four week government spending extension, a package that would also postpone some unpopular obamacare taxes. the problem for senate republican leadership is their site is not entirely reunified with senators jeff flake, lindsey graham, and a rand paul to varying degrees, saying they are opposed to this continuing resolution. flake says he's not inclined to support it, and graham has been pushing for his own bipartisan plan. joe manchin says he supports this funding extension in part because it would provide a six-year extension of children's health insurance, and he said he's a "yes" after his concerns were addressed. mitch mcconnell called on senate democrats to reconsider blocking this bill. >> this is completely unfair.

and uncompassionate for my democratic colleagues to filibuster government funding on our troops and jeopardize health coverage for children because extreme elements of their base want illegal immigration to crowd out every other priority. >> homeland security kirstjen nielsen is back on capitol hill to discuss the daca issue. there are ongoing bipartisan talks on this issue with democrats pressing for a deal now. the key players trying to find an agreement our house leader is kevin mccarthy and debbie hoyer and john cornyn and dick durbin. german explained wide democrats are out of patience on this issue. >> when you look across the spectrum of three branches of government, the republicans are in control. what are they are offering us? the fourth cr. if that is the new norm around here, shame on us and a shame on

the majority party that, the republicans, for saying that's the best they can do. we can do better. >> pressure is on a lot of senate democrats up for reelection this year. already, republicans are noting the number of children who could potentially lose their health insurance benefits by blocking this bill. >> sandra: thank you. you have set it up for us. maurice jones you are on the couch, and you had some choice words to say throughout. share with us first your thoughts at the noon hour eastern time on this important day. >> lawrence: if democrats were saying, like rand paul, we want to get spending under control, i would be able to give them the benefit because we have to get that under control. if we keep spending like that -- like teenagers with a parent's credit card. it needs to be under control, but that's meant what they are saying. they are saying the issues of noncitizens are more important than funding our government. for me, that's problematic, especially when i look at the

democratic party right now and they have a block of black voters. they won't shutdown the the government on issues that affect us. it looks political to me. it looks like they are trying to pander right now. honestly, i don't think it's going to go very well for them when you have a president that's very successful when it comes to stimulating the economy. people in february that will see more money in their paychecks. i think it's a bad strategy. >> harris: some of them are government workers, so they are missing out on an opportunity there to have them open up their paychecks. for a republican side. the sticking point is for the dems. can i say, i never got the credit card as a teenager, so i'm impressed that they gave you one. democrats last night, i was watching social media closely because you had a lot of people online with their videos. bernie sanders and cory booker did a little two by two that walked up to a camera together.

this is what they were talking about. they had just come out of a meeting to find out how our militaries would be affected by all this. there was a deep concern. that's where bernie sanders spoke for a couple minutes on a long social media video about, we are hearing that, let's get to the point we can go forward. if you think democrats are sensitive to that issue, watch that live view because it was really interesting. it's a problem. >> lawrence: it is a problem. i'm interested to see the action. there's been a lot of talk. >> harris: that indicated to me that they will vote for something going forward, even if it might not be today or tomorrow, it might take them a few days. >> lawrence: one day is too much. my problem is, are the republicans going to cave? i think, let them shut it down over this. >> marie: i have three big thoughts, but the first one is, mitch mcconnell doesn't have his own caucus. while there are no democrats for joe manchin who said they might vote yes, there are republicans in the senate for different reasons, but it's still a

notebook. mitch mcconnell doesn't even have control of his own caucus. i think that's important to say. i actually think democrats should consider voting for this. a six year exception of chip is a good move. i will counter and say are republicans going to compromise? let me finish, as going to say both sides have to compromise. neither can do it on their own. the republican base pass our bill or nothing. >> lawrence: democrats agree on the people legislation that has been proposed. >> harris: it's bipartisan. >> kennedy: it's a simple question, if there's a shut off like him who do you blame? >> marie: i blame republicans. democrats are not in charge of any government right now. majority of people in every shutout in history have blamed the party in the house. >> sandra: i understand that, but this is not any other time

in history. your people that are more into with the political process that i can they have ever been. people pay attention to the final point. to this point, if you have a child insurance program that's going to benefit places like maine and oregon, where you have largely democratic electorate and you're going to say, we are not going to find that and help these people out because we are more concerned about the dreamers. all congress does is wait till the very last second. we are not at the very last second. >> sandra: we are showing the senate floor right now, it's a live look at the massachusetts senator speaking right now. the senate just got back to work at about 11:00 this morning. we are going to keep our eye on that. marie, i know you're dying to get back in here. >> marie: i just set it and i'll say it again, i actually think democrats should consider voting for this. if chuck schumer came out that we will vote for this if we have an ironclad commitment for mitch

mcconnell to negotiate in good faith over daca between now and march, then democrats should vote for it. this is the problem with the complete breakdown of trust on both sides right now. mitch mcconnell broke a promise to susan collins, a member of his own caucus. they're so little trust. i knew that was coming, but that's one thing. i think it's the republicans would commit to negotiating over daca in good faith. i think they should they should. >> harris: i think the democrats have already gone so far -- >> kennedy: >> marie: what if ty compromise? >> harris: they note, as kennedy pointed out, they don't have to do that. >> kennedy: >> marie: that's nor job. >> harris: the lesson congress didn't do its job? >> kennedy: the conversation shouldn't be about daca and spending. it's two separate things. it's one thing to have a conversation about the individual mandate and a tax bill because that was ruled to be together. >> lawrence: they are actually hurting the argument. there's a lot of americans and

libertarians that are actually compassionate on the issue. >> marie: daca pulls very well. >> lawrence: when they put this together, it really ticked me off. they are saying put noncitizens before the american people. >> sandra: with the deadline for dreamers not for march and the deadline to fund the government tonight, why can't democrats come to the table here? >> marie: democrats feel like they are at the table, and i just said, i think they should vote for this under the right conditions, but you're also forgetting forgetting that a lot of republicans aren't at the table saying yes to this. it doesn't matter what the reason is. mitch mcconnell cannot get yes votes his own republican senators right now. that is a bigger problem for the republican party. >> kennedy: they are not mutually exclusive. i agree, mitch mcconnell is an ineffective leader. if i was a republican senator, i would be up in arms right now. >> harris: i said this to joe

crowley of new york. it you walk away from six years extensions, six years on chip, the entrance program for poor kids, what are you going to do if you don't get that back in a deal? how do you go to your voters, your constituents and say to them, we could have had that, but i wanted something different? they can get a deal in writing this as they could talk about this later. that seems a very simple to me. i don't think republicans are pushing it back. >> sandra: this to continue modulating longer than that. as we noted at the top of the hour, we are awaiting the president to address of the march for life. activists are gathering at the national mall as we speak, and the president is expected to deliver comments via satellite from the rose garden. as you can see, people gathering in the rose garden there. he's going to be the first president to do so in its 45 year history of this event. president trump expected to make

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>> sandra: fox news alert, we are awaiting the president to address the march for life. activists are gathering at the white house right now. the president is expected to address march for life participants and pro-life leaders of that are gathering their via satellite from the rose garden. and of course, the march for life activists are gathering at

the national mall as we speak. they will walk through the nation's capital and protest against legalized abortion. vice president has addressed this last year. this will be the first time that a sitting president will address this event in a 45 year history. we will take the president's remarks live as soon as they begin. >> harris: it's a good thing you mentioned the vice president. we will show those remarks too. anyway, now we are going to stretch because there's more coming up. let's talk more about that. last year when president spoke, you had that group there. part of the reason was just prior to that, kennedy may remember, there was the huge march on washington, and conservative women were not necessarily welcome. it was all women. >> marie: all women from every end of the spectrum. i'm sure i saw some. >> harris: we know because we've heard from some of those women.

this is a slightly different take on the platform. everybody's welcome. it will have conservative women there especially. you will have the vice president again back from last year. he will introduce the president in all of this. >> sandra: 45 years this event has been going on and never has a sitting president addressed at this crowd. the president is about to do just that. >> lawrence: it is a big statement to have the commander in chief addressed this issue. it's near and dear to me to the heart, my mom had me at 16 because i could have easily been one of those children, as well as a lot of these abortion clinics are in my community. there is some in texas and black and hispanic neighborhoods. the president bringing this to the forefront, i really hope that they touch on that, the targeting of those communities, not even educating the women that there may be another option for them. when i talk about those issues, i talk about it from a personal standpoint.

>> sandra: thank you for sharing your story on that. >> kennedy: >> marie: it's integ because during the primary, many question president trump's feelings on this because he had taken another position on the past. this solidifies his issue on the issue of abortion because he hadn't been in the political left for a long time. being the first president to address this group in this way, i think it should show people that that's where he is on it. >> kennedy: i think lawrence is exactly right. when you take a more positive approach and you talk about alternatives and you talk about compassion of a very close family who also had a baby of 16 and had to put her up for adoption, and the great thing about oregon hippies is that they are so open that now both families are very close to this day. that was about 24 years ago. there are remarkable alternatives, and i think the issue has gone from something that is so prolific and negative and so hate filled to something

where both sides, i feel, listen with a lot more compassion. >> sandra: clearly, you can see the crowd has gathered at the white house and the rose garden area or the president will be addressing this group by a satellite. on the right-hand side of your screen, you can see the actual march happening at the national mall in washington, d.c. they are out there sharing their message. >> harris: and as kennedy just pointed out, it puts it into the vernacular of the american people, especially among women, so they can talk about things and not a get so acrimonious. they can see everybody's perspectives. that's what march is supposed to be about. >> sandra: we will cover that life as it happens. republican lawmakers are not demanding the lease of a classified memo. they say a detail shocking and alarming abuses of government surveillance. a source close to the matter says the memo details the house intelligence committee's oversight work for the fbi and justice department, including a controversial controversy over fisa surveillance in the masking of

trump campaign officials. fox news has been told 115 house republicans have already seen the memo. no democrats outside the house have seen it. now g.o.p. congressmen, while not revealing what's exactly in it, says that it's important for the public to see it. >> is a very sustained, straightforward memo, and there were a couple times, as i'm writing this thing, where i'm just like shaking my head. you got to be kidding me. i can't believe they did that. i think it's something that ths really significant. i think the the american peopld to see it. there is growing support in the house to make this public. >> harris: is my understanding, kennedy, i know this is an issue you and i bothh senator rand paul and others. this is an issue that particularly for democrats is touchy because a lot of this would've happened under the last administration. >> kennedy: that's exactly right.

there was through executive order, intelligence community, and various agencies were able to share and unmask information that was collected warrant illicitly. that's the big issue that democrats and republicans like rand paul come together on, is this massive surveillance unit surprise anyone. that this level of concentration and a technological pool that the government has, that there can be abuses of power and it's so easy. it happens without warrants. number two, there is almost zero transparency. this is not edward snowden. this is a republican congressman who is outraged and his outrage is shared by the did members of his party. >> harris: i'm curious because we saw fisa evan zero two, which allows what kennedy is talking about, to pass this week. this is not going to the president's desk. why allow this? you do scoop up americans and you know who made that point,

the president was forced into a pit he came back and said, go ahead and pass it, but was he right on the first one? >> lawrence: i wonder if this would've came out before that vote would've taken place. >> sandra: i i had to come out after? >> marie: i've heard from my sources on the hill that devin nunez put this together after that vote that he basically is putting together a lot of facts as he sees them, but it misconstrues a lot of things and it leaves out important details. he's taking the case he's been making publicly about unmasking. >> kennedy: you're saying is based on your sources. >> marie: none of us have seen the memo, so we are all just reporting on it. adam schiff is on record last night saying that this is gross misrepresentation, this is talking points. >> lawrence: he doesn't have any credibility. >> marie: devin nunez is not a fashion of credibility either. >> sandra: i'm very disappointed in devin nunez and his leadership on this because i think you miss a lot a lot of people.

he said there were important reforms and legislation, which there are not, and they railroaded the amendment in the house and they shut down the filibuster in the senate. these voices for liberty were absolutely silenced. >> harris: they went on loan on this because the house speaker got up and said that it was imperative that this path in order to keep americans safe. the question is, are you keeping fewer of a state if you get a warrant? there are a whole lot of people besides rand paul on both sides of the political uncle who will say you can do both. >> kennedy: it's called the constitution. you cannot violate the fourth amendment. >> lawrence: the republicans past of the blame for this as well. the speaker would've gotten involved with this and he was never with this direction. he wasn't there. >> marie: he believes, when he hears from the intel's community, even the civil liberty folk that they can do both, they believe that section 702 is reauthorized can do both. i know you disagree, but this is

the argument people make. >> harris: the vice president right now about to introduce the united states president donald trump at that march for life rally in washington, d.c. this portion of it at the white house, the people out marching will be able to see on monitors, so we are told. you can watch it here live here let's watch it together. [applause] >> vice president pence: more than 240 years ago, our founders wrote something that went through the ages pit they declared these truths to be self-evident, that we are each r with certain unalienable rights. that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. 45 years ago, the supreme court of the united states turned its back on the inalienable right to life. in that moment, our movement

began. a movement that continues to win hearts and minds, a movement defined by generosity, compassion and love. and a movement that one year ago tomorrow inaugurated the most pro-life president in american history, president donald trump. [applause] from preventing taxpayer dollars from funding a portion overseas empowering states to respect life and title x, nominating judges who will uphold our god-given liberties and upholding the constitution of the united states. this president has been a tireless defender of life and conscience in america. today, president trump will do even more to defend the most vulnerable in our society. my friends life is winning in america because love saves live lives. and no as you march for life, that you are compassionate, your

persistence, your activism, and your prayers are saving lives. this pro-life generation should never doubt, we are with you. this president stands with you. and he who said before i formed you in the wound, i knew, is with you as well. i believe with all of my heart with your continued dedication and compassion with pro-life majorities in the congress come up with president donald trump in this white house, and with god's help, we we will restoree sanctity of life to the center of american law. [applause] and if so, with a grateful hear heart, on this 45th annual march for life, it is now my high honor and distinct privilege to introduce to you the 45th

president of the united states of america, president donald trump. [applause] [applause] >> president trump: thank you very much. that's so nice. we have tens of thousands of people right down the road, tens of thousand, so i congratulate you and at least we picked a beautiful day. you can't get a more beautiful day. i want to thank our vice president, mike pence, for that wonderful introduction. i also want to think you and karen for being true champions for life. thank you and thank karen. [applause] today, i'm honored and really

proud to be the first president to stand with you here at the white house to address just the 45th march for life. that's a very, very special. 45th march for life. this is a truly remarkable group. today tens of thousands of families, students and patriots, and really just great citizens, and gather here and our nation capital. we come from many backgrounds, many places, but you all, for one beautiful cause, to build a society where life is celebrated, protected and cherished. the march for life is a movement born out of love. you love your families, you love your neighbors, you love our nation, and you love every child born and unborn because you believe that every life is sacred, that every child is a

precious gift from god. [applause] we know that life is the greatest miracle of all. we see it in the eyes of every new mother who cradled that wonderful, innocent, and glorious newborn child and her loving arms. i want to thank every person here today and all across our country who works with such big hearts and tireless devotion to make sure that parents have the care and support they need to choose life. because of you, tens of thousands of americans have been born and reached their full god-given potential. because of you, your living witnesses of this year's march for life seem, and that theme is: love saves lives.

[applause] as you all know, roe vs. wade has resulted in some of the most permissive abortion laws in the world. for example, in the united states, it's one of only seven countries to allow elective late-term abortions, along with china, north korea, and others. right now in a number of states, the laws allow a baby to be born from his or her mother's womb in the ninth month. it is wrong. it has to change. americans are more and more pro-life. we see that all the time. in fact, only 12% of americans support abortion on demand at any time. under my administration, we will always defend the very first

right in the declaration of independence, and that is the right to life. [applause] tomorrow will mark exactly one year since i took the oath of office. and i will say, our country is doing really well. our economy is perhaps the best it's ever been. you look at the job numbers, you look at the companies pouring back into our country. you look at the stock market at an all-time high. unemployment, 17 year low. unemployment for african-american workers at the lowest mark in the history of our country. unemployment for hispanic at a record low in history. unemployment for women think of this at an 18 year low we are really proud of what we are

doing. during my first week in office, i reinstated a policy first put in place by president ronald reagan, the mexico city policy. [applause] i strongly supported the house of representatives paying capable bill, which would and painful, late-term abortions nationwide. i called upon the senate to pass this important law and send it to my desk for signing. [applause] on the national day of prayer, i signed an executive order to protect religious liberty. [applause] very proud of that. today, i'm announcing that we have just issued a new proposal

to protect consciousness rights and religious freedoms of doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals, so important. i've also just reversed the previous administration's policy that restricted states efforts to direct medicaid funding away from abortion facilities that violate the law. [applause] we are protecting the sanctity of life and the family as the foundation of our society. but this movement can only succeed with the heart and the soul and the prayer of the people. here with us today is mary anna from greensboro, north carolina. where is mary anna? come on up here, marianna. nice to see you.

marianna was 17 when she found out she was pregnant. at first, she felt like she had no place to turn, but when she told her parents, they responded with total love, total affection, total support. a great parents right? i had to be careful. marianna bravely chose life and soon gave birth to her son. she named him benedict, which means blessing. marianna was so grateful for her parents love and support that she felt called to serve those who are not as fortunate as her. she joined with others in her community to start a maternity home to care for homeless women who were pregnant. that's great. they named it "room at the end." today, marianna and her husband

don are the parents of six beautiful children, and her eldest son benedict, and her daughter maria, join us here today. where are they? come on over. [applause] that's great. over the last 15 years, a room at the inn has provided housing, child care, counseling, education, and job training to more than more than 400 women. even more importantly, it has given them hope. it has shown each woman that she is not forgotten, that she is not alone, and you now have a whole family of people who will help her succeed. that hope is the true gift of this incredible movement that brings us together today. it is the gift of friendship. the gift of mentorship, and the

gift of encouragement, love and support. those are beautiful words, and those are beautiful gifts. and most importantly of all, it is the gift of life itself. that is why we march. that is why we pray. and that is why we declare that america's future will be filled with goodness, peace, joy, dignity and a life for every child of god. thank you to the march for life special, special people, and we are with you all the way. may god bless you, and may god bless america. thank you. thank you. thank you very much. [applause] >> harris: the president there has just wrapped up his remarks

at the march for life. he speaking from the rose garden, and he had next to him a woman woman named marianna. she was someone who bravely chose life when she was 17 years old and pregnant. that person now has six children, married, and helps fund and organization at room at the end. the president began his remarks in the first in his position to ever come in all of his years of existence, addressed this march. you were part of the largest rights in the world. abortion has claimed millions of lives. we breathe those lives together. your life now is saving lives. the president was introduced by last year's guest speaker, the vice president, who made similar remarks last year. the president changing the course of history never changed addressing this group outside the white house. tens of thousands of people are watching down the road, and we have that shot too. look at that. that's of the road in

washington, d.c., at the washington mall where they were able to watch the remarks at the monitor. he's honored to be the first president to address that group. he gave a statistic, as we come out to the couch now, the only 12% of americans support abortion on demand at any time. he talked about it substantively, the conversation a nation can have, he applauded individually, as you saw with his guest there in the rose garden. he wanted to set a tone that the family and sanctity of life are at the center, at the core value system of the united states as a nation. lawrence. >> lawrence: the one thing i like with the president did was, he focused on that room at the inn. that organization is not helping other women. i think that's where conservatives fall short. we talk about life, but we don't talk about those other organizations that provide

services for women when they are faced with a tough decision. that was a light for me because i believe that's a message that we've been eating for a while on our side of the aisle. >> kennedy: there so many good homes, and many couples who face reproductive challenges who have tried through traditional means and desperately want to adopt children. there are so -- it is very difficult and it's an incredibly difficult process if you know people who have ever undertaken and gone the route of adoption. framing it positively definitely elevates the conversation. >> harris: just a couple things that are happening. while this march is still going on and we are continuing this conversation, we also want to draw our attention to the speaker of the house, paul ryan is talking right now. the thing that is going on right now, obviously, the movement forward with whether we can avoid a government shutdown in the hands of the senate. the house speaker has come out, and as he makes news with fresh

comments, we will bring them to you live. we just want you to know that it is being talked about right now. there is a deal a foot, we hope. we will see what happens. >> sandra: pulverize addressing the march for life, so it will be interesting to see how it is up. midnight tonight is the deadline. we want to get this in because we are just getting word that chuck schumer has by invitation of the president been invited to the white house to meet with the president. as this deadline looms, president trump has invited senate democratic leader chuck schumer to come sit down at the white house to try and hash out a deal to avert a shutdown. lawrence jones, what does this tell you? >> lawrence: we were talking about this a little off air. it depends. if they are going there to actually talk about it, it's good. if they are still bringing daca into the conversation, then nothing is going to be done. the question is, and i don't think the president will do it,

will the president's cave on? democrats have said, this is a sward that they are willing to fall down on because they feel like it's important to the voters. >> marie: it is a good sign though. we didn't know about this meeting until a few minutes ago. think about if the president hadn't invited chuck schumer. we were all just going to stay in our corners and what the shutdown happened at midnight tonight. >> harris: are you giving the president credit for something marie harf? >> marie: i might not admit that, but i am. i think it was smart of president trump, who has canceled his trip to mar-a-lago, he was supposed to go and postponed it. let me give him credit. he postponed a trip that i thought would have looked bad. he's inviting chuck schumer over. he looks like he's trying to avert this. i actually think that's good. >> harris: all we know that the invitation is out there. we don't know if chuck schumer will go. >> marie: he should absolutely go. >> sandra: he's been invited

by the president before crucial times and said no. >> marie: they do have a relationship and have known each other for years. >> kennedy: this is a time that you put the politicization aside and talk about something. you talk about it in a number of ways. they don't have a lot of time. with these two people, it is absolutely 100% possible. they want to see them come together. >> harris: not only because of the prior relationship, which is important, but look at what happened two tuesdays ago. that long televised meeting with the president there. he can remind chuck schumer come at you guys as leadership, the top four, or not at that table. i wanted to top back talk directly to the people you lead and look at the goodwill that wt up there. he can come from a place of knowing and understanding what democrats want because he is the president of united states. he reached out a week ago and make sure they knew what he wanted. >> lawrence: to me, this is nothing new for the president inviting people to the

white house. he likes doing that, even if it's members of different parties. to me, that's not really anything big come of present extending an invitation. what we see with the democrats, as conversations go down the line, they start getting very scared of their base, and they start getting very political and seeing if their base is going to freak out on them. >> marie: that's not what happened last week. last week about lindsey graham and republicans and dick durbin and democrats thought they had a deal the president would say yes to our tuesday. when they got there on thursday, lindsey graham had said this publicly, it was a different donald trump. mitch mcconnell even said, we don't know what donald trump's position is. >> kennedy: they showed up with a deal or a plan to the president that did not look anything like they discussed. that's what changed. >> marie: it was based on the discussion on monday.

speaker it's inconsistent. >> harris: the president talking openly here and transparently, and i think that's where you're going. he said he would sign anything. >> lawrence: which was obviously done. >> harris: the president has these what we need to get to. i would imagine the white house staff reminded him of that too. all that matters, the two sides are talking, and it's the top of the food chain. >> marie: we don't know yet. mitch mcconnell isn't there. >> harris: schumer may say he might not be there. they've got 11 hours. there's a possibility that the invitation is out there. >> sandra: that is surely out there and being confirmed by fox at this point. the president has invited chuck schumer to join him at the white house for a discussion. our sister network fox business is confirming that this should be happening shortly to take that a step further. we will see where all this goes. 47 minutes, what it has been.

we will be right back.

>> sandra: fox news alert. fox news has confirmed that the president has invited chuck schumer, the top democrat, to the white house to discuss

this looming deadline come at midnight tonight, to fund the government. the two sides are very far apart. it has been looking very much like there will be a government shutdown, but the president has extended an invitation that chuck schumer says "come on over, let chassis out, have a conversation." we are told us will be happening shortly. >> harris: not at the table, mitch mcconnell. he said, i need to know from a president what he will sign. the president figures, i will just talk to the democrats. >> lawrence: we talked about this. he can't even control his own caucus. he really doesn't really need to be at the table. the president will run and talk to those senators personally, especially those by that we talked about that are still on the republican side and concerned about the budget. >> sandra: it seems like a little bit of a spanking against the senate majority leader pete he saying, you guys have screwed this up, i don't need you, i'm going to go ahead and talk to your opposition. >> lawrence: i don't blame the

president. if you can't be the leader of your own caucus, i'm sorry, in the president can get them to come to the white house and talk to them personally, i think the president will say you're irrelevant. >> harris: you asked an interesting question during the break, does this mean the president is looking at the landscape and trying to null and void those five or so republicans? b5 they have come out against it for different reasons, many of them spending, budget, deficit, other issues. if it's donald trump's play to try and get democrats on board by cutting some sort of deal with chuck schumer and saying to mitch mcconnell, thanks but no thanks. you can't get you all in the suitcase. we don't know appeared >> lawrence: of the legislation that is presented, democrats agree with. >> marie: maybe it's a deal like i said earlier where the president make some sort of ironclad commitment to tackle daca next. it may not be -- >> harris: he said it in the

65 minute televised meeting. why don't you believe? >> marie: he said that so many conflicting things. even his friends and allies don't know where he stands. he's been very unclear on what his bottom lines are and how he wants to approach this. >> kennedy: instead of getting caught up in the specifics right now, i think you have to go to the spirit of what they are trying to do and trying to get a deal done. my biggest concern is that whatever they do, stop spending money like you have it because we don't. at least offer a little bit of responsibility and stewardship here. it's not -- >> harris: what about freezing the levels of spending for one to five years and tackling it at a later time when you don't have to tackle issues like daca and immigration reform? the president said he wanted to do comprehensive immigration next. why not do it that way? it seems like there are a lot of ways to get at this, and at least now, potentially, the two

sides are talking. >> marie: that's a good idea because you need a system in place. if this is how you going to legislate and move things up very last minute, then you have to have a mechanism that allows for that so the government doesn't shut down. freespending, so you're not tempting to go back and raise the debt ceiling every time you've maxed out your credit card. >> sandra: just to bring everybody back up to speed with what is happening right now. chuck schumer has been invited to the white house by the president to have a conversation about this looming government shutdown. i just wonder, lawrence jones, with the president sitting in the white house, chuck schumer walks in, sits down, you know where everybody stands. how does that conversation began? >> lawrence: let me say, these guys are buddies. don't get caught up in the political theater. that's what i would tell the audience. a lot of the stuff is for the cameras. behind closed doors, they will really talk. >> harris: i wonder if we might see some because the president said closed doors hasn't treated him so well recently.

he might want to televise everything. >> marie: i think he comes in and says how can we fix this, chuck? >> sandra: we know that he's a ride he's at the white house. we will have more on the other side of this break. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. from a lighting strike give me the same rush as being golfball-sized hail? of course not. but if you can stick to your new year's resolution, then i can stick to mine and be the best road flare i can... what? you couldn't even last two weeks? in that case, consider mayhem officially back. so get allstate. and be better protected in 2018 from mayhem. like me. it'sanyone ever haveady! occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas or bloating? she does. help defend against those digestive issues. take phillips' colon health probiotic caps daily... ...with three types of good bacteria. try phillips' colon health probiotic for free. see sunday's paper!

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>> sandra: many thanks to lawrence jones, it is always good to have you. i always say, commercial breaks. don't reveal too much. great to have you.

happy friday, everybody. we are back on monday at noon eastern time. now here's harris. >> harris: this continues. just the last few moments you know, fox has confirmed that senate minority leader chuck schumer has arrived at the white house. at the president's invitation. they are set to talk in a last-ditch effort to avoid a government shutdown. just a few hours away. we go "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. fewer than 11 hours remaining for congress to approve a budget to prevent a government shutdown. yesterday you know from our reporting, the house passed a bill that extends sunday through february 16th. now it is time for the senate to act, can it do the same thing? republicans need a significant number of democrats to get on board to get to the vote of 60, especially if they are losing some republicans on the back end who are now saying they may vote no on this continued resolution.