hope you join us. tucker carlson is next. ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the rush investigation, if you can remember that far back, was createdio to expose collusion between american politicians and operatives from foreign governments. since sost far the investigation has exposed itself is corrupt and must manages to must manage. newly released text messages suggest high-level fbi operatives were not on the level about the investigation from the very beginning. fox chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge joins us now. >> the text messages are a window into the fbi's highly charged internal politics under then directorre james comey. it suggests at least one senior

investigator was skeptical the russian probe would uncover wrongdoing. to go days after special counsel robert mueller took over the pope in may, now demoted fbi agent peter strzok enter now reassigned fbi lawyer lisa page discussed the merits of joining mueller's team. strzok tells page, you and i botha know the odds are nothin, if i thought it was likely, i'll be there no question. i hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there is no big they are they are." in another cryptic text, strzok writes... that stands for the fbi's code nament the the dash the fbi ofs talk about a secret society wits of president trump's victory. >> there was a society of at least two people to include peter strzok and lisa page but had a desire to keep donald trump from becoming president and an expressed

intent to work against him after he was elected president. >> the fbi blames a technical problem for a five month gap in the strzok-page text and would not, to fox news and martha vibrio has taken physical custody of their phones for a forensic review that could recover those texts.e >> tucker: thank you. a former u.s. attorney in d.c. joins us tonight. joe, thank you for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: on "special report," ron johnson, the head senator, head of the homeland security committee, suggested that the secret society referenced in these texts may have been an actual thing and i may have meant off-site comeie away from the fbi secretly. we don't know more than that. what does it suggest? >> it suggests that there was a brazen plot to legally exonerate hillary clinton and if she didn't win the election to then frame donald trump with a

falsely created crime. everythingls that we have seen from these texts and from all the facts developing shows that the fbi and senior doj officials conspired to violate the law and to deny donald trump his civil rights. >> tucker: >> tucker: what woula motive for that? >> the motive would be that they did not like donald trump, they didn't think he was fit to be president and they would do everything within their power to exonerate hillary clinton and if she lost, to frame donald trump with a false crime because they didn't think he should be president. >> tucker: what do you make of the claims that five months of text messages between strzok and lisa page have disappeared, as lois lerner's emails did? >> as an old united states attorney who has watched obstruction of justice is over the years, that explanation from the bureau is ludicrous. those texts were either purposely destroyed, period. they were purposely destroyed. moreover, they exist somewhere, i can assure you the nsa has

them. other companies have them, verizon has them, at&t. if there be can't figure out how to get them, they are in worse shape than i thought they were. >> tucker: so you don't buy it at all. >> no, no. absolutely not. those texts exist and that they don't exist, they were destroyed. >> tucker: you call this obstruction of justice. how do we proceed of the country's chief law enforcement is guilty of that? >> the attorney general needs to appoint a special counsel and if he doesn't want to do that, he needs to make sure the justice department and panels a grand journey immediately putting in that grand jury under oath, comey, strzok, baker, mccabe, everybody, senior secret --dash john carlin, the head of the national security division, all these people need to be in front of a federal grand jury. we have long since passed the time when we need to have just congressional investigations for

this. make no mistake about it. a group of fbi and doj people were trying to frame donald trump of a falsely created crime. >> tucker: is there any possibility the justice department has already impaneled that? >> h i certainly hope so. wepa are long past the time when that should've been done. i hope they have. if we haven't, i can't imagine that they are not about to do so shortly. >> tucker: why is it so hard for the fbi to respond to legitimate and lawful requests for information from congress, which provides oversight? >> it shouldn't be. i don't understand it. i i must say, christopher wray's performance has been extremely unimpressive with how to lead an agency at a time of crisis, how to respond publicly,'s how to respond to congress, how to carry out your duties. it has been an abysmal performance by director wray. >> tucker: strzok and page apparently still working at the fbi headquarters in washington. does that strike you as odd? >> it strikes me as very odd. i cannot conceive of circumstances under with agents in these conditions, with a kind

of text messages that they exchanged, knowing what we know now about the criminal activity involving the compromising of national security agency intercepts of 70 702 -- involvg private american citizens, i can't to imagine how they can b. >> tucker:r: can they be cleared to be classified information? >> i don't see how they could. >> tucker: they have access to their former colleagues? > members of of a secret soy continue to talk to one another. >> tucker: how can that be at this point? >> i'm afraid only christopher wray knows why they are being allowed to stay in that building. >> tucker: last question,. since you have been here for a long time and worked in this world for a long time, i rewrite to have reales questions about e integrity of the justice system watching most? >> regrettably,, we are at a point now where the fbi has lost almost all of its credibility and regrettably, his integrity is a result of the conduct of

james comey, who remains america's most dirty cop. >> tucker: terrifying. joe digenova, thank you. richard goodstein advised hillary clinton during both of her presidential campaigns and he joins us now. thanks a lot for coming on. the way its typically involves between you and me, i say, can you believe this happened, and you say, hillary clinton did nothing wrong, right-wing crazies making up stories. let's try something new. we'll do what we call the revulsion test. i will redo a series of statements which are true and you tell me if they bother of you. does it bother you that justice department decided not to charge hillary clinton and they have a email before completing the investigation or interviewing her personally?y? does that bother you? >> what doesn't bother me is the fact that every good lawyer, b every good prosecutor, every good judge before the decision is handedat down, pretty much decides what the facts of the case and the law would be and basically, because they have a deadline, they are not going to write it the morning of. they want to write a scholarly

document that is well received. so of course, they know what the evidence is goingen to be, they knew what hillary was going to say. this was no surprise. the suggestion that somehow or other, what she was going to tell them what's going to be different when they had all the evidence -- >> tucker: this is striking. they knew, as you said, with the evidence was going to be before they gathered it all -- >> that's not what i was saying. >> tucker: why have an investigation at all? if we know, why don't we charge people we believe are guilty and exonerate those are innocent? >> they had access to tens of thousands of emails and they had testimony of plenty of people. you have the big fish last. you pretty much know by that point what that person is going to say because you have all the documentaryy evidence to support it. it's not the case -- >> tucker: how did they know what she was going to say? unless they are clairvoyant. this is a specific person. i interview people for a living and i don't know what they are going to say. >> she had the evidence, she

prepared for it. can i say one thing? donald trump said he wants the hillary clinton test. when he is questioned, he wants to have it, the hillary test should be 11 and a powers come under cameras, under the heat, just like she had for benghazi. >> tucker: benghazi is different. 11 and a half hours. >> tucker: i'm not arguing that n hillary should go to jai. i am arguing about this o integrity, if we are deciding that people are innocent or guilty before completing an investigation or even interviewing them, i have concerns, don't you? >> the suggestion that the fbi would somehow -- was somehow in her pocket is so twisted, that most people would say, no, comey broke the rules on july 5th -- >> tucker: that's a separate thing -- >> comey is bad, i'm just talkig with the process. you are not bothered by that? the second question. are you bothered by this? this comes run fbi agent who was investigating donald trump. i'm quoting.

"i want to believe he can't get elected but i can't take that risk." does it bother you that peter strzok, the fbi agent official who wrote that was investigating trump at the time? >> he said awfully bad things about bernie sanders -- >> tucker: does not bother you you? i can't take that risk? what does thatwh mean? >>hi he said equally unkind this about -- >> tucker: hold on. let's be clear. it's not about his political views, which is entitled to, and like most federal employees,re he's liberal, i get it, i live here. he is involved with the highest level of the investigation. >> tucker: no, he's not. robert mueller, lifelong republican, is at the highest level. peter strzok was at every interview with someone else from the fbi. >> tucker: you're making my point. at the level below the guy running it, mueller, you have peter strzok. he saying i want to believe he can't get elected but i don't want to take that risk. if that was written by someone investigating hillary clinton, i would join you in denouncing

that as terrifying. >> i guarantee you, if the facts where the russians were offering help, the clinton campaign said "lubbock," the russians offered help, and hillary clinton used that 1n trail, we would have impeachment proceedings, no question. >> tucker: i want to believe he can get elected but i can't take that risk. this is not a person in a position to influence the outcome, the full force behind , influence the outcome of the presidency. yes, he is. he is one of the officials running it -- >> robert mueller -- >> tucker: it doesn't bother you that the guy said "i can't take the risk that trump is going to get elected" he said the guy in guy investigating trump onha behalf of the fbi. >> he sent 50,000 text messages, 10,000 a month, how was he getting worked on? >> tucker: my third question. we've been told by the federal government that they've lost

five months of text messages between lisa page and peter strzok. do you believe that? does it bother you that they could have -- i'm not sure a, how you lose a text messages, my impression was they endure forever. if you try to cheat irs, you'll find outat they are there. they lost them and we are supposed to nod, does not bother you? >> i hope they find them. >> tucker: what do you think? >> there are all these addled conspiracy theories as a distraction from what it is that we are finding out with each passing day, each passing plea of guilt. that is what this is about. >> tucker: no, i think we can have multiple conversations simultaneously. as i've said from day one, when they find the texts from vladimir putin to donald trump saying i pledge to get you elected -- >> it may be a conversation between paul manafort -- >> tucker: at the same time, you would hate to thinkam that p by product of this investigation is the corruption of our justice system. i'm beginning to think, based on a lot of data points, whose accuracy you have not, contested,t we have a real

problem with thehe way we investigate political crimes. both hillary and donald trump. >> in the run-up to the election when rudy giuliani was talking about fbi agents of brooklyn, these were not people who were family to hillary clinton. he was getting inside information that was information helpful to donald trump. i agree there's a problem. notha a problem that cuts in trump's favor. >> tucker: 1 out of 3 bothers you. you are very tolerant man, richard goodstein. thank you for joining us. illegal immigrants blockadeded disneyland to demand citizenship. why aren't they being deported immediately? details next. ♪ stay at la quinta. where we're changing with stylish make-overs. then at your next meeting, set your seat height to its maximum level. bravo, tall meeting man. start winning today. book now at lq.com

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♪ >> tucker: a small mob of daca beneficiaries showed up outside disneyland in anaheim, california, and blocked an entrance to. they chanted slogans that prevented families mentoring until law enforcement remove them. watch.h. [chanting] >>an can you tell me why you gus chose disneyland? >> this is where dreams come true. this is where your dreams come true and we want our dreams to come true. >> tucker: so at least one group of illegal aliens isn't hiding in the shadows. instead, they are streaming at -- screaming at tourists and an amusement park. you show up at a country that is far better than the one you left, wouldn't you be grateful? these people are not. they are angry, they are entitled, they literally have no right to be in america but they are full of menacing demands and not just a disneyland. we saw parts of demonstrations

like this all around the country in the last year. the people demanding immediate citizenship in the free stuff that goes with it, some of them waiting for and flags. the question is, what any other country on earth put up with this? even sensitive candid i would probably draw the line at this? try snaking a over their borders illegally and blocking access to niagara falls. they would deport you. they probably apologized but they would deport you. it's worth remembering that a lot of our immigrants are not at all like these people you see on the screen. they are grateful to be here, they work hard, they mind their own business, they had a lot of their country. let's find more people like that where the people that use on the tape, we should track every one of them down and blew them out of thehe country, for good. they are the people we don't want here. the protesters won't bero deported, no one ever as per the democratic party believes that enforcing borders is a human rights violation. they have been savaging chuck schumer for allowing the government to reopen without amnesty for people here illegally. >> senate democrats are getting

their butts kicked on the daca debate, et cetera? speak of the fact that we did a poor job and messaging is true. >> the solutions, i think they are caving. you know, democrats are pretty good at articulating values but a little weak on defending them. >> tucker: the mayor of albany, capital invested, a sanctuary city, joins us tonight. nice to see you. >> i can't resist asking about e disneyland protest, what country would put up with that? >> this is a country that values free speech and the right to protest and these are young people who feel that they were given a promise and that daca was a way for them, these are young people who were brought over here as children, not by their choice, as a way for them

to have a pathway to citizenship. it's a great country and that we allow people the freedom. >> tucker: why would you want someone in your country who's not grateful to be here, who's demanding of american citizens the rightt to vote and get benefits? 21 people who are grateful to be her and want to add? >> you know, every immigrant that i have met is grateful to be here. that doesn't mean that they are not going to stand up for their rights. i joined thousands of people across this country and protests that happened on saturday from people who were born and raised in this country and who have been here for generations. that is one of the hallmarks of our great society. >> tucker: but they are not americans, these people. >> but they have a voice, they have a right to a voice. just because they were not from here doesn't mean the constitution doesn't apply to you. that is well, well settled. >> tucker: know, if you broke our love to get here, you don't have the rights of american citizens. word of the rights come from? >> when you were here, you have

a constitutionally protected rights. i think that when we look to polarize this conversation by pointing these people who are here, brought here by their parents, without their choice, and demonizing them, we really -- >> tucker: they blocked the entrance to disneyland. slow down. they blocked the entrance to disneyland, okay? i didn't do that. they did that. do they bear any responsibility? >> there are americans using their right to block entrances, shut down roads, and to protest things in this country. you have that right. >> it's a matter of citizenship. citizenship is meaningful to most americans. you are different if you are citizen -- >> and they want to be in a path to citizenship. these are young people who are working hard and -- >> tucker: know, these are the people who were blocking disneyland.

they are not working hard. a new poll, a harvard poll, showsrd that 4 out of 5 america, 81% of americans, want less legal immigration. a lot less. where were their interests? where are their interests in the modern democratic party? 4 out of 5 americans come of all political parties, want to less legal immigration. are you aware of that? >> i think it is a stunning number and it demonstrates that we need to do a better job of communicating how importanton immigration is to our cities into our country. you look at a city like albany, new york. we have an aging population. a lot of the growth that is happening in our city is happening because of immigration. the number one complaint i get from employers is that they can't find people to work. so we've got a real workforce development challenge in the city of albany in the capital region and immigration is helping to fuel that workforce. >> tucker: i wonder, though, for example, i was just looking at stats provided by the albany

school district. i think you have said before that yourr city is about 40% foreign-born. >> no, it's about 11% -- we have about 40 languages spoken. >> tucker: my mistake. a pretty high number. in 2017, of eighth graders and albany schools, 0% qualified -- 0% -- according to your stats -- qualified in math. so that seems to me like a crisis much larger than anything you are describing. >> the challenges in our school district existed before we had the immigration that we have now. >> i'm notr: saying that, i'm jt saying, i wonder why i've never heard you as outraged about that as you are about, i don't know, enforcing federal immigration law. do you agree that's a crisis? 0%? >> that is absolutely right and that is why -- that's another whole conversation we can have about the work that we are doing

to partner with our school district and to ensure that we are turning that around. by bringing together our institutions of higher education, the business community, health care, so that we -- and we are addressing this. >> tucker: you think bringing in more students who don't have english as a first language helps or hurts that? >> when you look at what we're doing with our new language learners, we are having interventions that are helping them to succeed in the school. >> tucker: you conceded it's a problem. you are trying to make the problem better. but it is a problem when you import people who don't speak english as a first language. why would you add that bird into schools where 0% of eighth graders are proficient in math? 0%? >> first of all, that number is misleading because of how the testing is done. >> tucker: that's your number. >> if you pass to the region exam, you didn't have to take the test you are talking about. in any event, when you look at the challenges that exist in any

school district, any urban school district, it's incumbent upon the school district and the stakeholders in that community to ensure that we are doing what we can so that these children are successful.hi we are seeing incredible success. >> tucker: i haven't -- i'm sure you are seeing success. it's really simple. i'm not arguing against all immigrants, or your schools. saying there is a crisis in your schools obviously. is importing more immigrants make it better? you conceded that it doesn't. my question is -- >> it's not making it better or worse. i see it as an asset to the city to see that we have the opportunity to continue w to gr, continue to have economic development -- >> tucker: was the right number? if bringing in more people from third world countries makes albany a better city is good for your schools, good for your economy, what is the right number? how many people do you think need to come from foreign countries to albany for you to get really rich?

>> this is where the federal government needs to step up and decide what immigration policy is going to be. that happens at the federal level. >> tucker: as the mayor, you are saying that they make your city prosperous. what is the number? >> i will aggregate to ensure that we haven enough people in each 1b visas. we have one of the larger semiconductor manufacturing facilities in the capital region.li g.e.'s r&d center is there. i work for a medical device center. we used h1b visas -- >> tucker: we are not talking about that. we are talking about poor people like daca, they are people with lower than average educational attainment, and my simple question was, if more poor people makes your city richer, what is the number of poor people to bring in? >> look, i'm not talking about statistics and numbers. i'm talking about the people who are there and talking about ensuring that we continue to be a welcoming community for everyone. >> tucker: t that's a different goal. i thought you were saying it made the city richer.

>> i think it is helping us -- it's definitely helping us to grow and to fill a workforce need that exists. >> tucker: thank you, mayor, nice to see you. russia, mueller, it's been a very confusing week. brit hume joined us next to tell us what it all adds up to, if everything anything. stay tuned. whoooo.

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only to realize that most americans aren't on their side. they don't think illegal immigrants are worth closing the government for. meanwhile, robert mueller's investigation models ahead, more more evidence suggesting the fbi is to ideological compromised, possibly to incompetent, to reach trustworthy conclusions. are we in reaching the right conclusions from these new stories? to check, we are inviting brit hume to add clarity to this chaotic picture. brit, thank you for coming on. >> think it must be three. >> tucker: but i find so striking -- >> try to add some clarity? [laughs] >> tucker: i know that you well. i was shocked by the schumer story this week because i think schumer is smart and he pays close attention to poll numbers, politicians ought to. yet, they went way out on the limb, shut thehe government down over an issue that most americans don't consider a top priority. how did they do that?

>> my guess is that schumer did not think this is a good idea. he probably resisted it but there is a strength of the left branch of his caucus as such that itsu reminded me very muchf what happened in 2013 with ted cruz and that group of house republicans h who were insufficient numbers, as they forced john boehner, clearly reluctant, he was in speaker, of course, to let them go forward with a strategy to shut the government down, to love our president obama into on doing a big piece of obamacare. it failed utterly. the measures the house passed went nowhere in the senate, the government shutdown, the public did not like it, and the history of the public's liking government shutdowns is pretty thin, and in the end, they all had to back down. this was sort of a mirror image of that. i don't think the leader elected but he was a good soldier, parts that they didn't, and in the end, they got there butts handed to them. the members of our caucus who

were up for reelection this year could sense that in a handful of them voted no on the whole idea of the first go around last week. by the end of the weekend, i think it was clear to them at least that they were losing and it was hurting it could hurt them back home. they caved in and schumer and the filibustering democrats got practically nothing. >> tucker: is just remarkable. republicans seem a little out of touch with the public sentiment on this, too. the harvard poll asked people, do you think we need less or more immigration? overwhelmingly less. the number of americans who want more, people that come from foreign countries, that is the consensus in d.c. we need more. 12% want more. i wonder why they are not aware of that. none of them seem aware of that. >> well, it depends on which piece of the immigration issue you are looking at. the idea that you want more immigrants than we are now getting i think is -- that's not popular, as you suggest.

but when you break out and say this daca piece of it, and of course, these are people -- did you hear that voice behind me? that was alexa. he woke up alexa. [laughs]zo >> tucker: amazon is monitoring this conversation? >> i ask her all the time, i say, "alexa, are you spying on me" -- she didn't answer. i can understand that. anyway -- [laughs] you look at daca, this is a subset of the immigrants in this country illegally, who came here as we have all heard said through no fault ofal their own when they were young, when they were minors. and there's a case to be made b that these people are worthy of sympathy, have never known any other place than america as home, and to send them to some place they have never been seems unfair and i think most americans, that issue pulls pretty well and it seems to get support.n then there's the question of what to do about the illegals who are already here and to

their presence here is not popular, as you have suggested for them a question becomes, is it practical to round the ball up and send them home? and that is a bridge too far. once you get past the idea of the general idea that people don't want more immigration, and they certainly don't want more illegal immigration, it gets complicated. the president is standing on fairly solid ground from his point of view and wanting serious border security measures, to go with any measue to relieve this daca people of their situation here, their potential to be deported. that is where we are a mess. got another negotiation coming up soon and we'll see how much the democrats are willing to give in order to get the daca repeal undone. >> tucker: i, for one, am looking forward to it. brit hume, thank you. good luck with alexa. >> you bet, thanks. >> tucker: an academic in california says it's time to put

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>> tucker: so abortion comedy. what would you say is the funny part about abortion?n? >> i don't think they are using it as a funny thing. i think they are using it just to bring it out, basically to make itf more of a real thing, more of a -- i'm sorry, i can't hear. >> tucker: can you hear me, doctor? >> one second. i don't think they are using it as comedy, i think they are trying to destigmatize it with women. >> tucker: i think that sounds right. why do you think there is a stigma around abortion? >> in the world, they are so much stigma around it. it's a very hard decision to make for a woman. it's a "no" won situation. >> tucker: - but why the stigma? why is it considered bad do you think? >> why is it considered a stigm stigma? because it's ending a life for some people. >> okay.

but ifyo you don't think it's ending a life, then there shouldn't be a stigma at all, right? >> it's not one way or the other. i think it is a traumatic thing that women can go through. i think in a way it's absolutely endingng a life went another wa, you are put in a "no" win situations because sometimes people don't have aer choice. >> tucker: you are probably in the mainstream view on that. then why the impulse to make light of it or as you said destigmatize it and comedy or put a billboard up encouraging people to have abortions, isn't that making light of it? isn't that minimizing it? when as you said, it's a very serious thing. >> i don't think it is making light of it.k i think it is bringing up the issue of abortion that is it an option. >> tucker: is there anything about abortion that makes you personally uncomfortable? >> absolutely. it's ay very hard thing for womn to go through. i think it's an absolute no win

situation for women. >> tucker: what does that mean, no win situation? >> it means that woman who has an unwanted pregnancy has to make a decision and the decision is a "no" win situation. she has to end the life of an unborn baby. >> tucker: i think you're right. so why do you hear people say, we should celebrate it, we should convince others that there is nothing wrongth with that, it's not a big deal, it's a positive thing -- >> it's not. it's a huge deal and it's not a positive thing. i don't agree with that. i think it's a a traumatic thing that sometimes there is another option. that is why i keep saying it's a "no" win situation because it really is. >> tucker: but i never hear -- i disagree with your last point about there is no other option but i respect you for saying that it is a big deal but i keep hearing planned parenthood leaders, for example, say, you should wear a t-shirt announcing it and that it's a form of

liberation and not acknowledging that there is a downside. >> that is their opinion. i can't speak for other people. personally, i see so much trauma are grounded in my office and it's a hard decision. on the other hand, it's a hard decision to keep a baby that her mother doesn't -- or can't take care of psychologically or physically. >> tucker: is a tough situation. i think it's a first step to acknowledge that. thank you, doctor, for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: the nfl had an ugly year but it doesn't seem to have learned much from it. we will tell you about their latest national anthem related blunder and then the making of what may be a scandal -- sounds like one, around bob costas and his apparent firing. details about next. ♪ you loved brad. and then you totaled him.

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♪ >> tucker: it's been a pretty tough year for the nfl. wearily, the commissioner seems to making more than ever. otherwise, it's bad. ratings are falling, games have seen tens of thousands of empty seats. it is the league learning anything from this? not so far. the nfl just rejected an ad from a veterans group that would have asked people to stand for the national anthem during the super bowl. meanwhile, bob costas, one of the most famous sports announcers in the world, appears to have been kicked off the super bowl. pregame show. this comes a few months after he protecteded grim future for football due to concussions. is there a connection? jason whitlock hosts "speak for yourself." do you think -- i don't want to be a conspiracy nut -- but do you think there is a connection between costas connecting the

cte and getting kicked off the show? >> i have a great deal of respect for bob costas. i think he is one of the great broadcasters of my lifetime. but i think he stated that football basically kills your brain and i think nbc has made the absolute right decision right here and removing him from the super bowl. listen -- i think bob is a great broadcaster. but that platform, the super bowl, is for a celebration of the game that i think is great. it is high risk. it is a combat sport, no different than boxing, no different than ufc or mixed martial arts. there is some risk to edward --dash risk to it. it's a great game and not platform for a guy who is clearly anti-football. >> tucker: you can to be pro football and concerned about the brain damage? >> you can absolutely be concerned. i'm a former college football

player. i'm concerned about the brain damage. but i do not think football kills your brain. i do not think that football is so dangerous that we need to be movingm away from football. look, man, life is a game of risk. football has done many, many things for many, many people, like myself. football isba responsible, partially responsible, for moving me from harvard povertya successful life. i think we are so caught up in concussions and we are judging football in an way we are not judging other sports. you. can go to a boxing match ad when someone gets knocked out, you can stand and cheer. we turned football, someone gets hit hard, we are supposed to go, oh, my god, let's have a prayer vigil, let's quit enjoying the game. listen, football is what it is, it has nothing to be ashamed of. again, i have a great deal of

respect for bob kostas. >> tucker: it's funny, you are changing my opinion -- >> i think it's unfair to football. >> tucker: i came in so totally different view and you have won me over. let's see if you do it on the second topic. the ad, the veterans ad, encouraging people to stand during the national anthem. down.o has turned itc.s should they have? >> yeah. i think the nfl has worked very hard to get the protests in the kneeling out of the nfl and away from a discussion as opposed to discussing football. again, i i think everyone should stand for the national anthem. i think the nfl should pass a rule requiring their players to do that. but i also think the nfl made the right decision here. by running this ad, you risk making this a talking point, rather than the game. you have worked very hard to calm the handful of players, the 1% of players that were

protesting, you fought all season to get that out of people's faces so we can get back to enjoying football, and now these guys want to come back in and reignite that controversy. i think the nfl is smart here for moving away from it. >> tucker: t i think you are 2 for too. i am shocked. that never happens. do you think that controversy is in fact over? >> not over. but it's simmering down and moving the right direction for football. the owners and players have come to an agreement. they are going to try to help the players that are legitimately concerned abouteg social issues. they felt a platform and have financed some things that have seemed to have calm some of the players down. that is the right thing to do. protesting the police during the middle of the national anthem and football stadiums is not the right thing. that does not promote a healthy discussion. it does not promote healthy change. it has t to be moved away from that arena and moved to a more appropriate place and they've

done that and should not risk reigniting the controversy. >> tucker: for the patriots would mark the super bowl? >> yes. >> tucker: [laughs] i agree with everything you say. >> i will not bet against tom brady anymore. thank you, jason. talk show host conan o'brien says he understands haiti, he is a deep feeling for the people of haiti. he spent some time as an exclusive -- at an exclusive resort. we will check out some parts f haiti he may have missed. stay tuned. we had nothing to do with that tie. voya. helping you to and through retirement.

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♪ >> tucker: talk show host conan o'brien wants you to ignore the preconceptions,en everything you heard, haiti, he suggested, is awesome. he suggested the president's comment about haiti and el salvador were of course racist. watch.o >> president trump refer to haiti and african countries as [bleep] hole countries.

people say this is borderline racist, if not racist.rl >> tucker: he went further though. over the weekend he tweeted, country," and where he was it was beautiful. here's a picture of him relaxing at a plush resort. the places in haiti where, most people actually live are less than beautiful, despite a lot of international aid. there's still not proper garbage disposal on the island. the biggest city has no sewer system. sewage is hauled away by hand. drinking water obviouslyer contaminated. mass deforestation has devastated the environment, and you can see it from space it's so bad. o'brien didn't see any of that. the resort where he was will never be visited by any actual haitians, unless they are working a service they are, or maybe perhaps his part is the revolutionary mob, which will show up at some point and burn the place down. we hope that won't happen. that's about it for us. tune in every night at 8:00 to

a show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and especially groupthink. dvr it if you know how it works. more than anything, stay tuned. buckle your seat belt, ladies and gentlemen. sean hannity is live from new york next. >> sean: great show as always. welcome to "hannity." we have massive new breaking developments tonight. the fbi agent peter strzok makes a stunning admission about the russia investigation in these latest newly released text messages.he before even joining robert mueller's team, strzok said there was "no big there there" proving that president trump has been right about the entire russian investigation from the start.t. it is a complete hoax, it is planning to shut down mueller's partisan and very corruptt witch hunt, and also tonight, i suspect what we are seeing v happening is the special counsel and his team that are leaking information to "the new york times" and "washington post." why they want to distract the media and you, the american people, because the heat is now on. i will explain. also congressman trey gowdy isis revealing that the day after