a little while." what a concept, get your head u up. inks for joining us for "the story." tucker carlson in d.c. coming up next. look up from your phone. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." as you doubtless know, that the most controversial document in america remains totally mysterious. it is only focal pages long. it is classified. that means while many are talking about it, and they are, virtually nobody has read it. this memo prepared by the house intelligence committee apparently describes surveillance of american citizens in this country by our own intelligence and law enforcement agencies. some republicans who have seen the documents it exposes massive and terrifying abuses of our civil liberties presumably committed for political gain. they say the memo shows how the obama administration is the

foreign intelligence surveillance act not to protect this country from foreign threats like terror, which is its purpose, but to spy on rival campaigns. the trump campaign in particular. and to create a pretext for the current independent counsel investigation, one that has mesmerized our class and paralyzed our government, even today the person was responding to questions on edge. watch. >> one more quick one. >> i only repeat for the purposes of making sure you understand. >> one more quick one. do you think robert mueller would be fair to you? >> we're going to find out. here is what we'll say, and everyone says. no collusion. there is no collusion. now they are saying, oh, well, did you fight back. done. fight back? oh, it's obstruction. here's the thing, i hope so. >> how do you define collusion? >> you're going to define it for

me, okay? i can tell you. there's no collusion. i couldn't have cared less about russians having to do with my campaign. >> tucker: that's all we talk about in washington pretty much. if it turns out that this whole investigation is a politically motivated sham, that will be newsworthy. in the words of one sitting words of congress, "when this memo comes out, people will go to jail." is the memo that? we have no idea. pretty much every nelson washington, we haven't read it word of it. but we take the idea seriously and why wouldn't we? the most destabilizing thing any government can do is use law enforcement as a political weapon. that is when the police, the secret police. suddenly you are no longer living in a free country. it happens all the time and other places. our founders were right about that happening here. the rest of us ought to be worried too paid a rogue fbi is a far bigger threat to you and your family than any buffoonishm the oval office. it could wreck everything we've

built here. this is not a story we ought to ignore. the public deserves, no, it needs to know what is in that memo. this is our government. we have a right to know if it is representing us will find to our faces. if there is corruption, expose that corruption. transparency is the only antidote. you would think everyone would agree with that sentiment. it's pretty commonplace. when you think about it, what is the counterargument against that? secrecy is good? people should know if their government is corrupt? our darkness and corruption, please. even in washington, you can't say those things out loud, though many would like to, trust me. so instead, there are many handmaidens in the media could u not allowed to know what is in that is in that memo because russia. that is what they are making, dianne feinstein and adam schaffer warning that if you want to read that document, that memo, which, by the way, prepared by the u.s. government for all american lawmakers, you are somehow in league with the

vladimir putin regime. yesterday, those two sent a letter claiming that calls to release the memoir "an ongoing attack by the russian government to kremlin-linked social media actors directly acting to intervene and influence our democratic process." got that? anyone asking for more transparency from this government, and that would include elected members of government and the show, among others, is participating in a form propaganda campaign that hurts america. in other words, they are. the implication of the letter is that twitter and facebook ought to do something to help, by the way, quickly, like sense of the accounts of anyone who wants to see the memo. you would think the memo might have -- media might have a big problem with that. for centuries, the media has fight efforts by politicians and those in power to hide unflattering information about themselves. that was noble work. it is the reason the prices mentioned in the first amendment. they are not doing that anymore.

on television today you heard famous anchors make the opposite case. they suggested that calls to release the memo are simply tactics by right-wing crazies and vladimir putin to undermine america because they are unpatriotic. and that is when you knew it was over, the long end where the tradition of journalists as watchdogs holding the powerful to account. it turns out that journalists have switched teams. they are with the powerful now. they would like you to shut the hell up. this congressman represents nevada. thank you for coming on. >> good to be on, tucker. >> tucker: you have read this memo. it sure is that it is not being oversold. you think this memo will change the conversation about how surveillance is used against american citizens? >> two things the american citizens should evaluate when they read this peter got to evaluate the memo in the context of the five months of missing text messages between peter strzok and his mistress lisa page.

you can't evaluate those separately. they have to be evaluated together. second thing -- >> tucker: let me stop you there. how are those connected exactly? >> tucker, i can't get into the specifics precisely, i can only say that i don't think it is an accident that strzok and paige, who were volleying texts back more than a high school volleyball squad, suddenly had that more than -- a conspiracy to undermine the president ending in the appointment of robert mueller conspicuously the very day that the strzok and page text messages come back online. no coincidence. the second thing you got to evaluate is the manner in which evidence presented to the court was corroborated. the problem with lies is they've got to keep telling them. you can just tell one live. you have to use other lies to cooperate. it is my position that the mueller probe is -- that it

should end immediately so we can focus on the real challenge of reforming the fbi and the department of justice about this never happens again under a republican or democratic administration. >> tucker: that is right, it is a bipartisan concern. what you are suggesting is corruption so deep and menacing that every american ought to be really upset about it. can you pledge, as a member of congress, that you will do everything you can to expose this and let people make their own decisions about whether it is appalling or not? but don't you think it is important for our citizens to have faith in their government and, in order to have that faith, they need more information soon? >> well, absolutely. i haven't been in congress for a very long time, but i don't think you solve a lot of problems by having members of congress meet with each other behind closed doors and share their outrage with each other. i think we have got to have sunlight, transparency, so we can all have a national debate about what type of government we want to have, what type of surveillance system we want to have, what type of information we will have before people's

liberty is impaired. i think that is an important discussion to have, and i think the only way we are going to get there is by releasing this memo. the good news is, devin nunes and members of the committee on the republican side want to do that. the democrats are all over the place. i have a hard time keeping track of where they are. they vote against allowing members of congress to see it, then they now apparently have their own memo which is just a ludicrous proposition. >> tucker: it would be interesting. we can successfully get any democrat on the show to explain. the argument behind releasing it. my mistake and remembering that the fisa law was just released? wouldn't have been helpful to have this before that happened? >> would have preferred that, it is important to know that the reauthorization of fights was not a blanket reauthorization. there were additional due process reauthorization's that were included. that was the section of fisa that deals with overseas collection of intelligence and

will will release the memo we will see how that interacts or maybe he doesn't interact. can't confirm or deny those details. spend the rest of us are getting really anxious, not because of partisan reasons, but because you want to trust that your government law enforcement agencies aren't being used for political reasons, it is simple and important. when are we going to see the memo? >> i think we will see it within the next two weeks. the important thing is, now democrats are making a claim that the memo is conclusory. i think chairman nunes is breaker. what supporting information can be released along with the memo that validates it. that allows us to have a more robust fact-based discussion rather than just lobbing conclusions at one another. that is why the memo hasn't been released yet. i think the chairman and the committee are rightfully going through that process so that we don't disclose sources and methods or put americans who are downrange in any jeopardy but that we absolutely expose what i believe is a deep-seated corruption that has really

undermined this presidency, unfortunately. >> tucker: i think i despise. the intel community specializes in releasing conclusions without telling you how they got there. congressman, thank you very much for coming on tonight. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: and you thought digital was forever, that's what they tell you. turns out it's not true when it comes to the federal government in the middle of a scandal. the fbi now says it lost thousands, somehow, of text messages between peter strzok and lisa page relevant to the conversation we're having tonight. president trump just reacted to those missing messages just moments ago. here's part of what he said. >> i do worry when i look at all of the things that you people don't report about with what is happening if you take a look at, you know, the five months worth of missing texts. that's a lot of missing texts, and as i said yesterday, that's primetime. so you just sort of look at that and say, what's going on? you do sort of look at certain texts where they talk about insurance policies or insurance where they say they kind of

things they're saying, you've got to be concerned. >> tucker: not the first time they have a lot lost communications central to an investigation. you have to remember how 24,000 emails were accidentally deleted somehow, that hillary clinton's deleted emails. tom, my impression was, and our cyber security guys are always saying, if you write it down digitally, it never goes away. why is that not true for federal documents in these investigations? >> it is only true if it is convenient to withhold information from investigators and the american people. in the case of lois lerner, they told us, we can keep some of her emails. it turns out, there were backup tapes, we ended up getting a lot of those. with hillary clinton, they said, well, there's nothing to give you. turns out, she had them all, tried to delete half of them, and we now are getting emails

that she deleted or otherwise hated. this is just a matter of law enforcement going in and recovering this material that needs to be recovered are finding it where it is hidden. if i were the attorney general of the united states, it would be very concerned about what the fbi did here and i would send in independent law enforcement like the u.s. marshals to secure and recover this evidence. >> tucker: i am concerned. these are not favor is they are asking, if you are investigating something or filing under the freedom of information act, you have a legal right to these documents. if the government bureaucrat lis to her withhold some, what is the penalty? >> could be obstruction of justice, obstruction of congress, obstruction of government property -- >> tucker: are charges that are brought on these grounds? >> they are if you're not hillary clinton. >> tucker: are they where theye in the hillary clinton case are the lowest lerner case? >> no. >> tucker: i confess i'm not an expert in digital questions,

but five months from an agency that is famous for understanding digital questions work, what you think the truth is? >> i think maybe there was a technical glitch but little interest in resolving it and little interest in resolving it still. it is only going to be resolved with significant law-enforcement interest. i don't think the fbi can be trusted to investigate itself and this is why we need law enforcement and congress ought to started to an inquiry as well. these text messages about the activities of law enforcement agencies who have been implicated in massive abuses of power, have ruined the clinton investigation terms of its credibility, and this isn't -- this is about the miller investigation. peter strzok at the center of this, the key investigator in the russian conclusion investigation. who knows what evidence he has gathered as a result of this partisanship that has now been tainted. i think there is this race going

on at this point where mueller is trying to get donald trump interviewed before this memo comes out and before more text messages come out that further undermine his already really low quality investigation. >> tucker: the president could declassify it by the end of this show. >> clicked his heels three times, get a fisa warrant rather than relying on congress. >> tucker: we ought to. thank you. a radio show host, former aide to chuck schumer, chris, thanks for coming on. >> any time, tucker. >> tucker: i don't know what is in this memo, no one who has seen it, has described it, they said it is a big deal. does this make me an unwitting tool of vladimir putin as schiff and feinstein suggested yesterday? >> no, as long as you consider it a story in a mixed race. this was written by devin nunes for devin nunes in an attempt to distract from the mueller investigation. >> tucker: how do you know

that? before you make that charge, how do you know? >> come because we have known deborah nunez's motives from the very beginning when he changed from being followed to the white house so that he could corrupt this investigation. >> tucker: hold on a second. >> devin nunes is the reason my -- >> tucker: i'm not here to defend devin nunes or any member of congress, i'm just here as a citizen who is concerned that there may have been influenced. fill in the blanks. i don't care, democrat, republican, i don't care, that subverts our government. why wouldn't i have a legitimate claim on knowing what what thel happened? >> i don't disagree with you on that point, tucker, not at all. usually when the intelligence committee tries to get to the bottom of this thing, these kinds of things, they do it in a nonpartisan way. the fact that this was done in the dark by republican staffers for the congressman who has a

history of covering up for the president -- 's. wait a second, have you seen the memo? have you seen the memo? i guess -- the difference between us, i'm not speculating to its contents because i haven't seen it. you are. why don't we settle this debate by revealing it and we can make our own assessments. this is, after all, our country, democracy, our government. i don't understand how anyone could justify holding this back from the american people. what is the answer? >> i am not arguing to keep that hidden. i am just saying, when we see that memo, this is a memo like none other. usually the intelligence committee operates as a nonpartisan body. >> tucker: first of all, let's beat -- i have had that schiff character on the show who is totally untethered from reality who called me, to my face, an agent of vladimir putin, but it's congress, it is a political body. again, why are democrats against

releasing this to the public? what is the answer? it's really simple. why shouldn't we know? >> they go back and forth. the question the veracity of the intelligence used to create it again they think there should be some explanation behind that. that is what i can surmise. >> tucker: i'd like more information. i see the media figures being like, "oh, you are attacking the intel community." no, i'm not. these people are trying to keep this from the end i'm mad about that. wouldn't you be, if you were me. >> well, yeah. the congressman on before me, he was attacking the fbi, attacking their integrity. i think that is kind of crazy. >> tucker: i don't know, he's read the memo, let's see what's in it. i can make up my own mind, right? >> from what i've heard about this memo, a lot about strzok and page in their conversations. quite frankly, strzok was

attacking hillary, bernie, everybody in politics. >> tucker: i hope you will tell your friends on the hill, stop with the foot dragging, transparency is always the answer, the public can handle it, treat us like adults, and give us the documents and stop this partisan nonsense. i'm with you on that. chris hahn. >> if were bipartisan, we're good. >> tucker: i agree with you there. chris, thanks a lot. the doj stepping up its offense against sanctuary cities, threatening almost two dozen of them with subpoenas. got someone who helps her in a city in california who supports the sanctuary policy and joins us next. in today's world, in case you haven't noticed, everyone is required to lie all the time. professor jordan peterson refuses to lie ever, so, of course, the left hates him. he is here just ahead. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength

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♪ >> tucker: the department of justice threatened 23 sanctuary cities, counties, and states with subpoenas if they don't turn over certain records. in response, new york mayor bill defazio and several other city leaders boycotted the scheduled meeting with the president of the white house -- at the white house today. a former member of the san francisco builder supervisors joins us today. thanks for coming on. >> thank you very much. i am here as deputy county executive for the county of santa clara. spoon grade county. because you have that official role in california, let me ask you this. your attorney general, announced that employers in the state to cooperate with federal immigration authorities will be prosecuted by the state of california which, apparently, now its own country.

will you participate in this? if you find in your county employers collaborated with the u.s. government on immigration law, will you turn them into the state of california for prosecution? >> i think i'm good enough a layer to know that before i answer that, i would have to look at the specifics of that. what i can tell you is about the county of santa clara, we are proud to call ourselves a constitutional county that is going to follow the letter and the spirit of the u.s. constitution, and that is why when it comes to immigration that we are very clear that we are here to do the job that is outlined for us by the u.s. constitution. we actually have sued the trump administration twice and succeeded, and every time, where they have attempted to predicate federal funding to force counties like santa clara to be in the business of enforcing immigration law law and, with l due respect, we believe there is a role for the federal government and there is a role for jurisdictions like santa clara --

>> tucker: since you are a lawyer who helps run a big county and the biggest state, answer this. is it consistent with readings of the constitution ratified by the supreme court that a state would actively work to undermine federal law? i'll answer for you. no, actually. no. that has not happened since the civil war. so what is your take on that as a county official and a lawyer? >> well, you know, i don't think that i should be in the business of telling the state of the federal government how to do the job. likewise, i don't think they should tell us how to do our job. i have in order here that was issued in the northern district of northern captain america california where the district court basically told president trump in his department of justice, with all due respect, sir, you cannot force counties like santa clara to do their job. that is not your role. >> tucker: we are arguing parallel conversations. i'm not asking, do your duty to do your job. i'm asking you whether you are allowed, as an official of the state of california, to actively

undermine federal law and prosecute californians who follow it. really simple. and you know, because you are an attorney, i am asking you, would you do that if you are ordered by the attorney general address state to help prosecute somebody or aid in the prosecution of a california citizen, because he followed federal law, would you participate in that? >> well, look, again, under i don't know the specifics of this program -- >> tucker: yes, you do. you are a state official. this is something you should think about, because we are moving towards a constitutional crisis really fast, as you know, as a lawyer. you believe, obviously, that having more undocumented immigrants, illegal aliens, whatever, people who aren't supposed to be here, in your county is a good thing. have you done economic impact study on that and santa clara county? >> let me tell you, mr. carlson, and i thank you for the opportunity, it is a personal issue for me. my parents brought me here undocumented as a child. i was 14.

and what i can tell you is that, when i came here, it wasn't my choice, but i made a point of trying to be a productive member -- >> tucker: i don't want to be rude. i think you have done great. i think that's great. i'm not attacking you personally. there are a lot of immigrants like you who are impressive. but there are also 330 million americans who are already citizens, and i think it is fair to ask, what effect does this have on them. if you study the effect of immigration on your county, and if you haven't, and i know you haven't, i wanted to tell me why you haven't. >> we believe that the immigrants that are part of our county are an asset to our county. >> tucker: but do you know that? have you studied that? what would you study that? rather than just gas? -- guess? >> if you look at the contributions that immigrants make on a daily basis, businesses -- >> tucker: it looks like it --

>> status have been made for jurisdictions, forcing immigration law, actually safer, and we are -- >> tucker: you don't want to know. >> have to stop demonizing any one group. >> tucker: i could do with a little less moralizing and a little more care to the effect of these policies on actual people based on numbers and social science, which you could do but are choosing not to mr. campos, thank you. daca protesters aren't just blocking disneyland, now they are harassing protesters, wait till you see what happened yesterday. pretty over-the-top, watch. ♪

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[crowd chanting] >> no dream... >> no deal! >> [bleep]. [crowd chanting] >> we fight the fight for the dreamers. hey, stop eight. just stop it now. just stop it now. just stop it now. >> tucker: the congressman represents new jersey, signed an open letter for amnesty. thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> new mexico and presumably you just saw the tape replay paid by would you let any person like that into the country? why would you do that?

>> i think we need reform of daca, but we also need border security, ending chain migration and ending the lottery system we have for these programs. i think this has to be a packag package, and i think we should not have a situation where you only address daca, we have to address greater border security. >> tucker: but they're up in all of these demonstrations were people who are not here illegally jump up and down, make threats, calling people racist, block disneyland, show up at offices, show up in front of chuck schumer's house. why does no one love the country enough to find out who these people are and deport every last one of them like, by 10:00 tonight? why would when you do that? >> i don't think we should deport young people who came here as infants or children. >> tucker: what if they are horrible? >> regarding border security as well, i think that is the only legislation that will pass

congress. >> tucker: again, as i said 1,000 times, i feel sorry for a lot of the docket recipients. i don't think that anything to do this with this. the fact is, we are letting them stay because we are super nice, not because we are convinced they are going to help the country, but if they are actively hostile to the country and its traditions and its lawmakers, why in the world would we reward anyone like that with something as precious as citizenship? >> some have demonstrated in my office, and i try to indicate to those who have come into my office that this has to be part of a comprehensive package. i also think that the president is accurate and he will lay out in his perimeters on monday, and the president has said that he is willing to take heat on this so long, tucker, as it is part of a larger hole, including locking them at greater border security. i don't want to be in a situation 20 years from now we have to revisit this because of lack of border security. >> tucker: when they came to your office, did you think, wait a second, get the hell out of

here, a, you have no right to participate in our political system because you're here illegally, that is reserved for citizens, that privilege. did that occur? >> i welcome those who come into our office, but i explained to all who come into our office, on this issue, there has to be in agreement that includes border security. certainly reforming chain migration and the visa lottery program, these are major components of part of a larger hole. certainly i don't think we should have shut down government as the democrats did this past weekend on this issue. >> tucker: doesn't worry you, just as an american, that there are people here who have literally legally no right to be here who are so entitled and angry and hostile that they would scream at our lawmakers and demand citizenship which they don't deserve and they are not legally entitled to? does that bother you that they would have that attitude? >> i do not like anybody who believes in a sense of

entitlement, and that is not the way i conduct my responsibilities, and i certainly think there should be recognition that we have to secure our borders. >> tucker: okay, congressman, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: more than 1,000 private jets are assembling in davos switzerland. what is on the agenda? global warming, of course. your electricity goes up to offset their private jets. quite a deal. more on that next. i was tired and i was fed up. i wanted to try something different. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke. compared to the nicotine patch, chantix helped significantly more people quit smoking. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. some people had changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, or suicidal thoughts or actions with chantix. serious side effects may include seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems,

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>> tucker: president trump just boarded air force one, was headed to davos, resort town in switzerland, for the world economic forum. that happened about 60 seconds ago. one of the biggest topics as global warming, but that comes with a huge helping of irony dripping all over it. the climate cognoscenti of davos are arriving in more than 1,000 private jets but how could that be? thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me.

>> tucker: it is one of those stories i couldn't resist. it seems to me if you really believe that global warming is an existential threat to humanity, life on earth, you probably would be flying around on a private plane come up you? >> i'm glad we are in agreement that climate change is an existential threat to humanity. >> tucker: i'm not sure that it is, but the people in davos are sure of it, so where are they flying in these plans? >> if you want to put things in context, all of the air travel for everybody going to davos equals about one second of total annual global emissions. >> tucker: i guess it depends on how you look at it. i'm not insisting people don't travel because of global warming. so if you fly in a private plane for ten hours, you are using 3264 liters of fuel. if you fly commercial, you're using 346 liters of fuel. so 10x. how is that justifiable if you

believe that global warming is real and present danger? >> do you believe that global warming is real and present danger? if you don't, what is the point -- >> tucker: here is exactly the point. the people who are flying into davos make the policies that the rest of us live under, and those policies will have costs for ordinary people in the form of higher utility bills, for example, and it looks to me like the davos elite are basically using the rest of us as a carbon offset. you pay more in your electricity bill every month so i get a fly on a private plane to a swiss ski resort. you can see where that -- >> i'm not a fan of the elite. they are the biggest polluters, the richest people. i certainly agree with you that everybody needs to do their fair share. but the most important thing is that the governments of the world take action and at least the global elite in every single country but maybe this one is

committed to reducing global emissions. >> that is not true, having traveled around the world and seen countless tire fires and progress in downtowns around the world, you can talk -- and this is my point. you can talk all we want about global warming as a threat, but if you're the entire fires go burn in the middle of your city and your flying on a private plane to switzerland using two and half years worth of gas, you are not real, it's not serious, it's fake. >> if you're not serious when your united states and donald trump is the only world leader who has said, we are not going to join the rest of the world and reducing pollution. you understand that in 200 nations in paris back on december 15th, 2015, side climate change is something that we are going to have strong action, but only the united states -- >> tucker: it would have allowed the two biggest

polluters, china and india, to keep polluting and increase their admissions levels for years to come. you are ratifying my suspicion, this is about punishing america. why won't you look in the camera and say, any leader flying into davos on eight g5 ought to be ashamed? >> i think anybody who is flying in a private plane ought to be ashamed. i don't have a problem saying that. but i will also say the president of united states, should be a shame that unlike every other rich country in the world, we are the only ones -- >> tucker: are you matter at the u.s. or china? >> i would say right now i'm about equally mad. >> tucker: even though china is, of course, uninhabitable in its capital city because of pollution, but somehow the equal of the united states. its real pollution, kills peopl people. >> putting in place regulations that donald trump is trying to undo to deal with our air pollution. >> tucker: are air pollution and beijing's are pretty

similar, would you say? >> we have regulations because nixon, progressives, george bush, put in regulations because, you know -- >> tucker: i'm not against that. >> it sounds like you are. i'm very much in favor of holding people accountable, what should we should do is have a price on carbon pollution and everyone would be held accountable. >> tucker: rich people would love it. joe romm, thank you. professor jordan peterson has been compared to dictators like mao and hitler because he won't let others dictate what he says. a brave man. next. e the upstairs water running. (woman screams) or, you could just trust duracell. ♪

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>> tucker: everywhere in modern society, we are ordered to conform. if anything, it is getting more conformist from gender to immigration. pick your issue, there is increasingly only one acceptable view. you can be ostracized or fired for disagreeing. many are, in case you haven't noticed. university of toronto professor jordan peterson stands dramatically against this tide. he has become famous in large part because he refuses to be shamed from the public square. last week, he left an interviewer speechless when he explained that people do not have the right not to be offended. watch this. >> why should your right to freedom of speech trump a trans person's right not to be offended? >> because in order to be able to think, you have to be a risk being offensive. look at the conversation we're having right now. like, you are certainly willing to risk offending me and the pursuit of truth. why should you have the right to do that? it's been rather uncomfortable. that's fine.

more power to you, as far as i'm concerned. >> i'm just trying to work that out. i mean -- >> got you. >> you have got me. >> tucker: really one of the great interviews of all time. he's got a new book, "12 rules for life." that clip is everywhere. and honored to have you, professor. i've watched you for a while. i elbows thought you were a truth teller. one of the chapters is "tell the truth." that is one of your rules. what are some of the things you think we are forced to lie about in this moment. >> i don't know if we are forced. i think would make a choice. it is sometimes a better choice, but that is often the choice. you are sometimes in a situation where you are if you do and if you don't, midas will pick the poison you would rather you take, you have a moral

obligation. if you're going to say something unpopular and get a tactic for it, that is a risk, but to pretend you think something different is to warp your soul and there is a much bit to make bigger risk. >> tucker: yes, it is. i would think that even if they don't agree with you, people in the media would be thrilled by the way you comport yourself, the way you respond, clearly you are saying what you think, and that is supposed to be our charge as journalists, to say the truth. you get met with these hostile receptions. i do think that is? >> i would say that is not universal. there is a big battle in the press. stay with the kathy newman interview. there are people who are casting her as a victim because she has been vilified because of the interview. but there have been many people in the media who stood with it and said it is necessary to be able to say what you think. it is not yet, it is good. surprising but good. >> tucker: so if you, in the book, you have a number of these rules, and will 5 jumped out at me as a father.

here is the rule. "don't let your children do anything that makes you dislike them. what does that mean? >> it means you should understand that you are capable of disliking your children and that because you are larger and more powerful than them, if you put the misbehave in a way that makes you dislike them, you are going to take revenge on them in a bad way, sometimes over decades, i have seen that as a clinical psychologist. more important, if your children believe behave in ways that make you dislike them, assuming you are reasonable, and that might be something you want to discuss with your wife, than other people are going to dislike them too, other adults, then they won't teach them things, they won't pay attention to them, and they will only smile falsely at them, and other children will want to play with them and include them. that is a catastrophe for your child. it is very helpful to help your children behave in ways that make other people welcome them because then everywhere they go, they are welcome, and there is nothing better you can do for a child than that. >> tucker: very smart. in the minute we have left, if you could pass on one piece of life advice, and this really is

a book of life advice, to our viewers, what would it be? >> stop saying things that make you weak. >> tucker: what does that mean? >> if you pay attention to what you say, you will know that sometimes if you like you are standing on a rock. you are in a solid place, suppose you are speaking from your heart. other times you are saying things just to look good and just to buttress your particular status at the time, and that makes you feel weak. you sell yourself out. and if you pay attention to what you say, you can tell when you're making yourself stronger, you can tell when you're making yourself weaker. in the sea want to be weaker, than i would say it is best to say those things that make you . you can learn to do that. it is fairly useful. so i would recommend practicing that because it is good for you and good for everyone else too. >> tucker: there is a reason that people obsessively watch your youtube videos. professor, thank you very much for joining us. congrats on the book. >> thank you very much. >> tucker: a scandal is rocking the limited but vigorous

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>> lots of serious news in washington and want to close with news from the animal kingdom. first a man bites dog story literally. so weird we can't believe it didn't take place in florida but it didn't. police in new hampshire are investigating a shooting -- they were, when they found a man with an outstanding arrest warrant and strongly resisted arrest by biting the police dog. the dog thankfully bit back and the man was subdued by a taser and the dog is fine. in more strange animal news, in saudi arabia the country has camel beauty pageants but there's scandal in the world of camel beauty. 100 animals have been disqualified after judge found

they received botox and can make the head bigger and lips droopier appealing to camel aficionados. we'll stop there. "hannity" is live from new york. >> sean: great show as always. huge balance at this hour, we on the program can now report the department of justice has now started and is recovering some of the five months of missing text messages from trump-hating fbi agents peter strzok and lisa page and president trump is saying he'll speak to mueller under oath. is it the right legal decision in we'll explore and the corrupt liberal media are in a full-pledged panic and trying to change the narrative to hide the truth amid a new stunning wave of information about anti-trump bias, abuse of power at