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the resume. welcome to the couch. >> i goat have friendly territory here. north carolina history. going to be a great show. >> harris: yeah. you are here so we already know that. >> we have a lot to talk about. >> sandra: let's get started then president making new comments about the russia investigation. he made his remarks yesterday when he walked in unannounced on a meeting between reporters and senior officials u so, they started firing off questions. >> talk to mueller? >> i'm looking forward to it, actually. i would love to do that and like to do it as soon as possible. good luck, everybody. >> goo. >> i guess they're talking 2 or 3 weeks but i would love to do it. again, as i say, subject to my lawyers and all of that. >> you would do it under oath. >> i would do it under oath. absolutely. >> sandra: all right. let's go to chief white house correspondent john roberts who is traveling with the president in beautiful davos, switzerland
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and he joins us now. hey, john. >> sandra, good afternoon to you. i mean, it was a real surprise that the president came out as a background briefing with the senior administration official at about 5:35 last night. i got a frantic phone call from a white house official say rug in the white house? and i said no, i'm in davos. they said have you got somebody who can run up here because something is about to happen. the president came out and started talking about a number of different issues. including the mueller investigation. what he said yesterday, sandra, is really interesting because it stands in such contrast to what he told me when i asked him the question at a press availability with the prime minister of norway. in which the president insisted that there was no collusion and if there was no collusion, why would there be an interview with robert mueller anyway? yesterday he came out and said he is looking forward to it he would do it under oath. of course, all of this based on the advice of hiss. his attorneys. he chastised the press for
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focusing on the russia investigation almost to the exclusion of other big stories like the text message scandal between peter strzok and lisa page. listen here. >> no collusion whatsoever. there is no obstruction whatsoever. and i'm looking forward to it. i do worry when i look at all of the things that you people don't report now with what's happening. take a look at you know, the five months worth of missing texts. that's a lot of missing texts. and as i say, yesterday, that's prime time. >> so where do we stand with the idea the president sitting down with the special counsel for an interview? well ty cobb, who is the white house attorney who is representing the president on the russia investigation has been providing a lot of documents. said a little more than a week ago that the president is looking forward to it, that it would likely happen. they are making preparations for it. but i'm picking up some intelligence outside of the white house that there are concerns about the president sitting down with robert mueller. his legal team yesterday
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released a production sheet, if you will, which outlined the tens of thousands of documents that the white house and the trump transition have provided in special counsel's office which go to the issue of russian collusion. and then there's this idea, sandra, where if you produced everything, except for a schedule of when the president goes to sleep and when he uses the bathroom, to the special counsel, you believe fulfills your obligation, why would you take the risk of letting the president sit down with a special counsel and go through a line of questioning that could go down, you know a dozen different tangents. so there seems to be a little bit of a difference of opinion here inside the white house, this idea that the president sitting down with robert mueller is one that there seem to be accepting whereas outside you are getting a little bit of push back on that whole idea. >> sandra: all right. john roberts. we thank you for that just after the 6:00 p.m. hour in davos, switzerland. we will be talking about all of this, but, of course, let's listen to what judge
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napolitano had to say on the couch yesterday about this. >> should the president submit to this interview before bob mueller? the standard answer and i agree with it is no, never, not ever. because bob mueller and his investigators know far more about the case, even if there is no case, than donald trump could. and if you have a witness here, the president, who doesn't always use an economy of words, bob mueller trying to be diplomatic here. >> i'm going to steal that one. >> thank you. bob mueller and his interrogators know how to make the most of that. >> sandra: judge napolitano, congressman lee zeldin is on the couch right now making his point very clear that this is what he calls a perjury trap. >> well, the president -- if he decides he wants to have this interview and he knows that there's nothing to hide, and he has said how many times the president has said there is no collusion. did i not collude at all with russia, you know, it's
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about, i guess, maybe determining what the scope of the interview will be. but the interview is going to take place. and if the president is insisting on it, then allow him to do it. he is saying that he wants to do it, he is all for transparency. >> sandra: he also said it depends on what his lawyers have to say about this. we will see where this goes. for now, could you aleast agree, marie, tha that the optics sure i will sit down. yeah, i will do this under oath because i don't have anything to hide basically. plar plar he may not have a choice. they may not want to subpoena the president. bob muller may insist answer some questions form or fashion like they did with bill clinton. i think donald trump is trying to project confidence, that he has nothing to hide, that he wants to answer question. i said to you earlier on news room this morning that may be false confidence because judge napolitano is right. bob mueller's team is thorough. they have details and dates.
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donald trump's strength is not choosing his words carefully. paying attention to details. he cannot approach an interview with bob mueller the way i could, for example, with press. he has to be cautious and careful or there could be serious consequences. >> sandra: the white house response has been we are cooperating. high level white house people have already been interviewed. many inside of the house have already been questioned by mueller. >> melissa: oh though by judge napolitano's logic they should never talk to anybody. they could create a perjury trap for anyone that goes and talks to them. that's the truth. but, at the same time, you know, at some points you have to go forward and present your case. i don't think he is pretending to be confident. i think he is very confident. it looks like he does believe he has nothing that he has to hide. he could certainly trip on his own words. it seems like he is going to go do it and from there we will see where they are heading. >> sandra: here is the polling on this, harris. i will bring you in on this.
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when people were asked, fox news polling did the president coordinate with the russians? it's split 42% say yes, he did, 43%, slightly more say no he did no. >> harris: we have so many investigations trying to figure out how to answer that question. right? but what we don't have right now is any evidence that this has happened: i will point to another polling that i think maybe the white house is looking at. that is one that we talked about yesterday on the couch. 8 in 10 measures say that they are anxious for the president or eager for the president or support the president to sit down with robert mueller. they have confidence that that will, in fact, answer the questions and allow us to move on as a nation and allow that one of five or six investigations to move on as well to get to the answers. i don't think that it is mutually exclusive for the president to step out on that type of polling and politically answer back. i hear you american people. i'm fine with sitting down, too. and then for his attorneys
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to come behind him and say yeah, but we are going to set the parameters for that which is our job. basically what they said. that is not mutually exclusive that is politically aware. >> provide tens of thousands of documents the white house is the dwyer administration has been cooperating and providing all these introduce. the president has to and we want -- the american public want to see the investigation to come to a conclusion. the american public may be split on what they want to see that conclusion to be. whether or not you are supportive 67 the president or not or truly want to let the fax fall where they may. the dynamics going into this interview are a little bit different than hillary clinton going into the interview in the summer of 2016 where you already had basically the conclusion already richesd that she wasn't going to get prosecuted. in this particular case, i don't think by any stretch of the imagination bob mueller is going in that interview already determined that he wants to let president trump off the hook. it could actually be the exact opposite. we'll see.
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>> martha: march. >> maria: was co-collusion. was there obstruction of justice in the firing of james comey. those are the two big questions the special counsel is looking at. at the end of the day, everyone should want this -- us to get answers to that no matter what the answers are. >> sandra: melissa, we are also learning we are going to get the transcript from that trump tower meeting. long speculated about chuck grassley saying we are going to see the transcripts of it involving don jr., jared kushner. where does that take place? >> melissa: it's transcripts of the people that were at the meeting. it's not transcripts of the actual meeting which is actually how i read it the first time that would be amaze going we could actually just be the hearing you could admit it was bugged. to hear the interviews behind that it is important at this point because there wouldn't be any methods or anything that's been revealed, i don't think. it doesn't seem like a security situation. but it does seem like we need to seat words for
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ourselves. >> sandra: is that going to be a game changer, congressman? >> having the transcripts out in the open? >> sandra: depends what's in it. >> the american public are smarter than what you give them credit for. present them the facts they will form their own conclusions. you can try t beat so hard a narrative over and over again that the trump campaign colluded with russia. when you present them with the facts they want to be able to decide for themselves whether it happened. >> harris: real quickly, senator grassley who is releasing these. for the critics who collapsed back with well that's going to mean don jr. and others and we will know what they said and jared kushner and others won't want to testify. grassley said a little while ago that's not why they are not going to want to testify before the senate judiciary committee. it's because dianne feinstein released all that information before the investigation is over. now it's over and he said we can release all of it. >> it's not just dianne feinstein, too. when don jr. went for his interview with the house intelligence committee, he turns in his cell phone. he spends several hours inside of this interview. he comes out, and cnn and, you know, they are tweeting,
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all the details of what was going on inside of the meeting. that's not supposed to happen. there will be a transcript it, gets approved and there is a process. >> sandra: a lot more to learn there. meanwhile, president trump saying for the first time is he open to a pathway to citizenship for some dreamers. what this means in the battle over reaching a compromise u plus, the raising debate over a controversial memo that republicans say reveals deeply disturbing surveillance abuses. the warning shot from the doj and the democrats' plan for their own memo. but will the public ever get the truth? we debate. you won't believe how much is new at red lobster... ...that is, until you taste our new menu. discover more ways to enjoy seafood with new tasting plates
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♪ >> harris: fox news alert. the memo controversy heats up. house republicans say the still secret memo reveals jaw-dropping spying abuses by the obama fbi and justice department. the doj is warning house republicans do not make that memo public until it can be vetted. saying in a letter, quote: we believe it will be extraordinarily reckless for the committee to disclose such information publicly without giving the department and the fbi the opportunity to review it and
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to advise the house intelligence committee of the risk of harm to national security and to ongoing investigations that could come from public release, end quote. the leading democrat on house intel adam schiff accused the g.o.p. of carrying water for the president and trying to tarnish mueller's probe. schiff now is saying that democrats on the committee will release their own memo with the real facts and hopefully make it available to the whole house next week. meanwhile, another house democrat says the g.o.p.'s claim of surveillance abuses is a bunch of hot air. wisconsin's mark hogan tweeted this. republicans claim that the nunes memo will blow the lid off the russia investigation and expose the doj and fbi as someone who has read the memo. can i ensure you it is all smoke and no fire. we must release the memo and expose the g.o.p.'s lies. democrats want it out there for their own political pursuances. the doj says no, not until we take a look at it where are we? >> there are #s all over.
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release the memos. the american public as we talked about before are smarter than we give them credit for. let the american public read the memo. >> melissa: have you read it? >> i have read the memo. i'm all for releasing the moment mow and releasing the sourced in the memo. fight a is abecause that should be known by the american public. i'm calling for it to be released. >> melissa: does it give away our methods and practices. >> maria: sources and methods shouldn't this go through a review? >> sandra: hold on. >> harris: one question at a time. >> i would say there is nothing wrong with revealing bad sources and methods and where there is something that would come out that might make some people at the fbi and doj look bad towards the top that is no reason not to release the memo. the doj and fbi wanting to seat memo, i'm not surprised by that. >> melissa: can i reiterate that? he is saying if it showing
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things they shouldn't be doing they shouldn't be doing them. if we put it out there, we are not giving away anything we are doing because we are not supposed to be doing it. >> exactly. >> melissa: i like that. i haven't heard that yet. >> you are not compromising good sources and methods but you will be showing bad sources. >> melissa: things we shouldn't be doing and should stop doing. >> harris: why do democrats like this? why do they want to know? >> the democrats they don't want this out unfiltered all by itself. they are drafting their own memo that they want to put out their side of the story u this isn't our side versus their side. this is putting out the facts to the american public. that is why i'm saying beyond just this melt mow or beyond whatever adam schiff might draft to be releasing all the relevant material sourced now you are looking at the actual documents the american public is able to decide. >> harris: are new a position or is any lawmaker at this point able to talk about what we have been doing that is not something we should be doing or do we have to wait for the memo? >> well, i think this memo is coming out very soon.
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so i don't think. >> harris: you didn't answer my question. can you talk about it or do we have to wait? >> as far as what's in the memo? >> harris: of the particular part about where we may have made mistakes in the past? >> i'm looking forward to the memo getting out. in hopefully the next few days. like it needs to come out. >> harris: where is attorney general jeff sessions on this? >> this is so important. so the doj and the fbi, you have to ask yourself to what extent are they capable of investigating themselves? because there is going to be a need for an investigation into the highest levels of the doj and the fbi but when you have something come out that is dealing with folks at the highest level, there is going to be a decision made by jeff sessions. >> sandra: radio leasing the memo as you have just said you read would it be favorable to trump. >> the president should support this memo being released. anyone who believes that there is anything in there that would be damaging to the president, i don't see
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it. but jeff sessions is going to have to appoint a special counsel or figure out some other way to get the fbi and doj to investigate themselves. >> martha: there is also a lot of people that believe that memo is incomplete and talks about a fisa application only using some of the application. >> harris: that's why the democrats want to answer back with their own memo. >> maria: that's why questions here. >> harris: coming up on outnumbered overtime the justice department public affairs director sara isgur flores will join me a little less than an hour from now 1:30 eastern. be sure to watch for that president trump is gearing up to sell his america first agenda to the international elite in switzerland. will the world be receptive to his message? the white house says you bet. plus, the trump administration continuing to crack down on sanctuary cities an enraging some state and local officials. some big city mayor's shielding i will will legal immigrants and lashing out at the president.
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excellent. 32% say good. and only 14% rank it as poor. the majority of voters crediting the white house with the accomplishment, 40% saying the trump administration has made the economy better. lee zeldin, there you have it. i mean, that's what he said he was going to do. and apparently he is doing it. >> people are feeling good. over the course of 2017, there were 15 congressional review act bills that were passed through congress, signed by the president. rolling back different regulations. you have the tax bill towards the end of the year getting passed. people feeling good about their 401(k)s, consumer spending higher. unemployment down, g.o.p. numbers when it came out people feeling good about it you see the metrics where people are telling you this is how the economy looks nationally. but then individually people are saying how is the economy impacting me and my family? sap san at the same time slapping down tariffs on imports. is he over in davos and he is going to be pitching this america first message. taking it to the world stage.
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a big speech he is giving tomorrow morning around 8:00 a.m. eastern time. how is this going to go over at the world economic forum? >> melissa: i think it's going to go over very well. i think we have a president who speaks economic language. we all know what it is like when you have a leader that goes out there that is focused on other things as their foremost thought in their foremost language. this is somebody who came from business. i mean, you know, we have guests on the business channel they speak that different language than they do over here on fox news channel. and that's what he's doing. he is going to talk to business people about business. he understands the tariff situation. he knows higher tariffs are not good. that's his opening offer it still belows me away that people don't get that the idea of chinese tariffs are about controlling north korea. it is not lost on him that tariffs aren't good for consumers and not good for business. he is saying if you don't sit down at the table with me the last guy let you get away with murder. if you don't understand sit down at the table and negotiate i can shut you out
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and i'm crazy enough to do it. >> harris: just to dove tail on that in a minute. south korea solar panels. two countries involved in the north korea situation. in one way, shape or form. it would hurt their economies far more than it would hurt ours. they take in more than they put out. our soybean industry, for instance, that's something that goes into their country. we export that to them. yeah, it's a negotiating tactic. >> melissa: absolutely. >> martha: what i will be watching iwhat -- pla plawhat ig tomorrow is the trump economic piece. it can be fun, it can be exhausting it is focused on economics a lo. the piece i will be looking for is the rest of it american geopolitical. american leadership. in recent polling american leadership has taken a hit around the world down to about 30%. sap san so far so far he has held too major meetings today that i know of that
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appeared very positive, theresa may. theresa may. relationship there about the back in november. theresa may says our relationship is better than it's ever been. plmaria maria. nobody believes in polling anymore. >> except when we like it. he has some work to do. how will he address that tomorrow on the noneconomic front? >> as i was watching prime minister benjamin netanyahu sitting down next to president trump. thank god there were flowers in between the two of them. because they would have been hugging it out. there was no daylight between the two of them. >> melissa: boro fest. >> move the embassy to tel aviv. better leveraging the money to the palestinians because they are inciting violence and financially inciting
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terror. the u.n. when it was first created, essentially has become a force of exactly what it was. -- >> sandra: those monopoly economic pieces. maria maria looking for syria, more on north korea. a lot of his policies while they are popular in israel aren't popular in other places. not universally popular. >> harris: moving on to a very strong subject now because this caught some people by surprise. sanctuary city officials pushing back on the trump administration's latest crackdown effort. thought department of justice is threatening to subpoena state and local officials who fail to provide evidence. their jurisdictions have been cooperating with federal immigration authorities. this move is prompting some city mayors to skip a white house meeting with the president yesterday. the president went after their decision. >> my administration is committed to protecting innocent americans and the mayors who choose to boycott this event have put the needs of criminal illegal
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immigrants over law abiding americans. >> harris: whew. and then those mayors said this. >> on the very day where in principle they were telling us they wanted to have an honest dialogue. this proves there was no intention to have an honest dialogue. i came down here ready to have a serious meeting. what i gout was a publicity stunt from the trump administration. >> i can't ever recall a situation where someone who professes to want to work with other people punches them in the face first and says now i would like to talk to you. and the idea that the president of the united states and the justice department would arrest any one of us for believing in our ideals and carrying out the law of our city is wrong. fundamentally wrong. [applause] >> harris: let's just write this down. we are talking about places inside of america that harbor illegals, go. >> president trump wanting to work with these local municipalities because they cares about our nation's rule of law. he want to strengthen our immigration policy. and the american public
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wants to see a more effective, consistent immigration policy and wants to work together. now, these local mayors, they may totally -- they may be part of the resistance. they may be protesting the president. they may want him to fail. they may have been part of the group while the president's hand on the bible calling for his impeachment. go to the meeting. let's talk it out. >> sandra: that's my beef. why not just show up. i mean, you and i talked about this. mmaria maria in general i think people should go to meetings and have dialogue. the white house gets itself into trouble by having meetings on the books and saying something inflammatory before it's supposed to happen or changing the subject. they thought this was originally supposed to be about infrastructure, which they all wanted to talk about. and then all of a sudden there was this shot across the bough before the meeting. i think sometimes. >> harris: shot across the bough the way that you are putting it mari may mari.
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>> it wasn't supposed to been this issue. >> melissa: it can ignore federal law. the very basic principle at the bottom of this is amazing to me. i said it before but i will never forget the time i was in the back of a new york city cab and had you mayor de blasio used our tax dollars to put together a psa where it is saying on the television he is touting how he is going to ignore federal law not cooperate with ice and not turn over criminals that he has in his possession who are already in custody and are wanted on other warrants. and he thinks that this is something to brag about and use tax dollars to make an ad about. and it just -- you can't ignore federal law. i know i can't. >> harris: you know what's interesting about, this congressman, this actually is not the furthering of turn over who you have. this is just can you let us know that you are complying with the law? >> and if look at the numbers that have come out of ice since president trump has come in, almost 100% of the people who end up
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getting tee ported are people who either were removed from the country and then they came back or they committed another serious offense. these aren't -- all the people who are getting removed it's not that they're getting a traffic ticket right in front of the suedio here and get deported. work together because it's almost 100 percent. ice has made a point of it in their press releases. sex crimes. ms-13, human trafficking, drug trafficking. these are serious issues that the federal government wants to tackle. it turns out that you do have crimes getting committed by people who aren't here legally. >> maria: if people are scared to come to the police and report crimes because of their status that's not a good thing. we will see. >> harris: john kelly is headed to capitol hill today to lay out a framework for immigration plan. this after the president for the first time described what could be a pathway to citizenship for some dreamers amid the very heated debate over this matter. can a deal be reached on it? we'll talk. the best simple dishes ever?
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>> those missing text messages between those two fbi employees, peter strzok, lisa page, who were also having a relationship, they have been found. some of them were not told all of them, but this message, i'm sorry, it is a memo from the justice department to ron johnson and chuck grassley. it states that as a result of a technical glich the messages were found and, of course, this is the dated time period crucial because it was the transition period and beyond into the first month of the presidency. december 14th 2016 to may 17th, 2017. they have successfully recovered using forensic
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tools to recover these messages from fbi devices, including messages between those two individuals. that were sent or received through the those dates effort to retrieve any additional text messages is ongoing. that's why we don't know if they recovered all of those missing messages. they have certainly recovered some. they do intend to turn those over. lee zeldin, congressman from new york is on the couch here. what do you make of this breaking news. >> i didn't believe that they were lost in the first place. i could see them damning or damaging but not lost. whether it was forensic cell phone carrier or possession of the inspector general i really did believe these texts were not to be lost. i believe they are going to be very telling and as far as -- i mean strzok is also the person who interviewed michael flynn. there is just a lot to learn. >> sandra: here is what else we want to know what they are going to do with it i want to be clear also in this letter ron johnson and chuck grassley, we will provide copies of those text
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messages that we recovered from these devices to the department so that the department's leadership can take any leadership action it deems appropriate. melissa? >> melissa: interesting. now we are all dying to see what's in there. although what we have seen already has been so damning. you know, i don't know. i guess i want to see the rest. i do want to know what happened. i'm still among the group that is suspicious that these disappeared and then cropped up again. >> sandra: they explain that again in the first paragraph responding to the request for these he is missing messages. this is how they explain it, the justice department. the fbi's technical system for retaining those text messages sent to or from local fbi devices failed to capture those text messages during that time period. so it was a technical glitch that they are standing by. >> harris: the office of the inspector general has been task with the forensic work on this and there is more to come. what do you make of it? >> it's very difficult -- the inspector general can come out with information that's new information, new conclusions, new recommendations of how to
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maybe have more accountability at the dod, fbi, how to improve best practices. i know people at the department of justice and the fbi who are great americans doing it for all of the right reasons. they love our country. we have some amazing people at the doj and the fbi. what the american public is being able to learn more and more about as you connect dots of exactly how and why the clinton probe ended and how and why the trump-russia probe began as more and more dots are connected, people are becoming very upset that at the highest levels that -- when you heard -- when everyone heard that lynch had a meeting on the tarmac with bill clinton and for james comey to unilaterally be exonerating hillary clinton and then turns out when lynch said that she was just going to take the recommendations of comey. >> sandra: she already knew. >> that she already knew. this is information thought public wants to know more and more about. and because we care about the doj and fbi. because we want them to be larger than life and have a great reputation.
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it's possible and people who have been closed minded need to be a little more open-minded, it's possible that there were people at the top who had political biases as trey gowdy would say political biases that were overcoming their better judgment. >> melissa: this so so important. this is the bailiffs of our whole entire did you know country. this is law and order. if you can't trust the fbi and doj to do their job independently and fairly of politics, we are completely lost also possible that fbi made. once bob mueller townsd found out about the text messages he took peter strzok off the investigation. it is possible these two agents were stupid and mueller investigation is still credible. >> sandra: they were elevated to extremely high level. they are not low level
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employees. >> maria: both things are possible, aren't they? >> harris: i'm laughing at that what you are talking about is incompetence. >> maria: you are saying it's totally corrupted at the core. >> harris: i'm not saying that. two agents flies in the face that they might have had a motive to do something to keep the president out of the white house. those two things are not necessarily exclusive. >> maria: drawing so many conclusions from a complete set of text messages. >> harris: by the way i didn't mention mueller's name. >> maria: hearing from them and putting them in context. >> sandra: we are hearing from them. we are reading their text messages. >> harris: if they had 50,000 of mine it would be a pretty complete picture. >> maria: what i don't like harris and sandra because you are both looking at me like i'm crazy at the moment. >> harris: that's not true. >> maria: because peter strzok made bad decisions and played a key role the mueller investigation. >> sandra: nobody is saying that. >> maria: some people do say that. >> harris: put it on them
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don't put it on me. >> maria: i'm putting it publicly. insinuation being made a lot of places. >> sandra: we do know he had integral part in this investigation and he was changing the language. >> maria: which investigation? hillary clinton. >> sandra: high level at the fbi is my point. >> maria: need to see the evidence if the political bias impacted the outcome. >> you know what? that's why i can't wait until the american public learns more about what congress has learned on the facts and get out there. i will guarantee that you there was misconduct committed at the highest levels of the doj and the fbi with regards to how the clinton probe ended and the way in which the trump-russia probe began. we are investigating this trump russia probe and trying to find collusion that didn't really take place. all the misconduct the accurately that we have located is at the highest levels of these organizations and needs to get flushed out there. needs to be accountability. we need people in charge of these agencies do the right thing without allowing their biases.
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>> melissa: as chairman goodlatte put it to me yesterday you can't keep having coincidence after coincidence. >> maria: i would say the same thing about russia and trump. >> sandra: senator joe march be putting it all out there first telling colleagues that the senate sucks. now he says the leadership has created a political paralysis and he is not gonna take it anymore. we debate. >> the place has never worked. two people should not have this kind of power. now, i'm not blaming mitch or chuck. it happens to be what it is. but we as senators have got to take it back. ♪ we're not going to take it ♪ no, we ain't going to take it ♪ we're not going to take it ♪ anymore ♪
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goes further says the senate is broken. >> i have been here for, what, since november of 2011. the place has never worked the way people told me it did. not the way bob byrd told me it did. the place has never worked. two people should not have this kind of power. now, i'm not blaming mitch or chuck, it happens to be what it is. but we as senators have got to take it back and make the senate work. they shouldn't decide what goes on and when it goes on and the majority leader has that discretion and the minority leader says we are going to stop and slow this down. let's work together. we're going to continue to push 25 or 30 of us in, listen, you are not going it lead us around like sheep. that's not who we are. >> maria: he is not the only one expressing that opinion john kennedy with this, an instant classic. >> think ardent republicans, probably think the republicans are winning and ardent democrats think the democrats are winning. and everybody else in america is kind of wondering how some folks up here made it through the birth canal.
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[laughter] >> maria: when it comes to leadership in both chambers new fox poll none of them with favorables higher than 30%. respond so some of your colleagues and how they see your place of business and work. >> i have told colleagues this that i guarantee that you there is someone willing to do your job in your district, your state without complaining. >> sandra: that's true. >> when you walk in that statuary hall house chamber 1807 to 1857. abraham lincoln. the mark on the ground where abraham lincoln's desk once was and all the people walked in that chambers not just heads of our state but heads of foreign countries coming. there are ways to make the place operate better. if you don't like what you do, get out of way. senator manchin is up for re-election this year. if he thinks the place is that bad, if he is that miserable, move on and let someone else take your job.
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that applies to any of my colleagues. >> sandra: what grade would you give congress right now? >> are we doing like a bell curve? >> maria: no, no curve here. >> i would say looking at 2017 i would say a b, which was an improvement over a c plus, you know, in the session before. so, when i ask people in my district how many bills would you guess have been -- this applied to last year president obama's time in office. how many bills would you guess were passed by a republican congress signed by democratic president in the answer i get most often is zero. the answer is well over 300. ask about 2017. how many bills would you guess were signed by congress and signed. almost 100 bills. these are important bills to move our country forward. but what it doesn't sell. >> maria: why do we think it doesn't in the poll numbers for congress are always pretty low. why do we think they are stuck in low favorability ratings? >> melissa: they don't have
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a budget. we hear all of the sudden they have run out of our money to spend. that is what is so frustrating but it warms my heart to hear you are inspired when you walk. in i hope you really do feel that way because i know i wouldn't be able to stand it i mean, the way that i watch. you have to really love it and you to want to do it and feel like what you are doing is really important. but it looks very frustrating when it feels like, you know, how people look gets in the way of what they really want to get done. i mean, for example, i feel like everybody is so much closer on immigration and, you know, the border than they let on. >> maria: i agree. >> melissa: posturing that goes on in front of the camera versus what i feel would be honest conversations that part is frustrating for people to watch. >> harris: one last question because we don't have a lot of time. when you hear joe manchin and others to say they want four people to decide everything for them. what do you say? >> i agree. you need to empower the rank and file as much as possible. filled with great ideas, great passion. you always need to have new blood. new energy. and i think that while the
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>> sandra: it was nice to have you, thanks to both of you. we will be back tomorrow as we are weekdays live noon eastern time. here's harris. >> harris: brand-new developments in the controversy over the missing text messages between two fbi agents accused of anti-trumped bias inside the fbi. i'm harris faulkner, let's go "outnumbered overtime." the justice department inspector general now says the agency has recovered some of the text messages that were exchanged between peter strzok and attorney lisa page. they were having an affair. the missing messages were from a critical time period last year yesterday, president trump suggested it's worse than watergate. >> i am very disturbed, as is the general, as is everybody else
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