today. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. see you soon. speed when we begin with the fox news alert. president trump is going after the media calling it fake news as a bombshell report that he ordered the firing of special counsel robert. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today with sandra smith. melissa francis, host of kennedy also on fbm, kennedy herself and in center seat, "outnumbered" today we welcome back the cohost of the bernie and said show on wabc radio. >> bernard: thank you for having me. the end of another slow news week. >> harris: what do you mean the end? they never end. >> bernard: is very exciting. >> sandra: i don't know of our audience can see your timberland boots with your suit coat. quite a combination. you're working and you're serious. >> bernard: i'm not playing. >> harris: he can save us from anything that happens like bears

or anything. president trump is blasting reports that he wanted to fire the special counsel. as other media outlets including fox news are confirming the president was thinking about firing mueller until the white house counsel and other aids talked him out of it. according to sources telling the president in no uncertain terms that firing him would be a horrible idea. of the president dismissed the explosive reports earlier from bannon. >> fake news, folks. fake news. it's a fake story. >> harris: lets go straight to chief white house correspondent john roberts traveling with the president in davos. >> good evening from davos where just turned 6:00. let's get you up to speed here on the tick-tock of all of this. this story is not new. the story started on about

june 12 through 13th when the ceo went on pbs to say that he had heard that president trump was weighing whether or not to fire robert mueller but he still stands by those statements. when we ran some traps out of that, he was told the president was kind of talking about it in and what if terms, like what if i was to fire robert mueller? i have the authority to do it, but then was told it was a bad idea. ran some more traps this morning and what it appears likely happened during that meeting according to sources is the president said i could fire him if i want to. i have the authority to do that. what do you think? should you go and talk to rod rosenstein who was the deputy attorney general who's in charge of the special counsel about it, take his temperature on and see what his feelings are. at that point, began to shut the whole thing down and as you pointed out, it's a terrible idea. this will blow up in your face if you do it. there are reports that he threatened to resign if the president forced him to do it.

we are told that that didn't happen. at some point later on, over a number of grievances apparently told colleagues i might not be here much longer. the best that we can ascertain is that there was never any direct order given by the president to go ahead and do it. it was a more of what if situation thinking about it thing and could we possibly do this? but in the president was told no, you can't do that, gave up the idea has been a question several times about it since and has no plans whatsoever to fire robert mueller but democrats jumped all over this when the report hit this morning. listen to senator jeff merkley of morgan. >> it really reflects the fact of the president has been obstructing justice all throughout his first year in office. he took on manipulation of three fbi directors, now we find out that he ordered his special counsel to fire the special prosecutor. what we see is on every piece of

information grade the president is absolutely panicked over the truth coming out about his team's collaboration with the russians. >> of course, one other thing hanging out there to is whether or not present jump over down for an interview as we reported on fox news that the cheap outside counsel told fox news that he will be the one to make the decision whether the president sit down and interview with mueller and at this point, he is not decided whether or not that's going to happen. >> harris: thank you very much much. >> you have more fbi corruption and bias about to be exposed. you have trouble killing it over in davos and then say listen, was hannah new york time some talking points. "new york times" and csm, dutifully taken and they obsess over this. while they have these other

revelations coming up, nonstory. this mueller guy is a desperate investigation in a desperate search for a crime is what it i is. it's tainted, it's it corrupt. >> harris: doesn't matter at all that there is reporting that there were discussions with rod rosenstein and others about whether or not this was an option? >> kennedy: you have to be able to pull apart was happening in his presidency. they were phenomenal successes. they continue to flourish as the president's economic agenda really takes hold. that's really something that he can sell in davos good he's a political novice and sometimes it is also the victim of his own like to fancy. he was trying to do the same thing with mueller. there was a very different special for firing those two individuals.

and now for his nonbusiness, he didn't realize how serious it would be if he tried to unseat mueller. >> sandra: i'm nodding because of the three reasons that we were citing saying that he should be fired over whatever it is. he hadn't paid his fees at the club or there was some dispute of fees at the golf club so his membership there is one thing. they tie this together with what they heard congressman peter king tell you this morning for he said when we do finally see that memo about how this investigation started, we would be appalled that there wasn't a reason to start in the first place and that that is going to be something if we ever do get to see that memo is going to shock a lot of people. i can imagine that if that's true, then the frustration over the investigation would make him feel like he wants to fire this guy.

>> harris: what you're saying is some of this may fall into place. >> melissa: in terms of his level of frustration and saying why i want to fire this guy, this investigation is nonsense. >> bernard: is consistent with an innocent man wanting to do it. and is a nonstory because he didn't fire him. that's the point. this is the difference in the reporting that's happening right now regardless, the conversation moves forward to does he set down in an interview with robert mueller and that is the question, he's saying he's going to do so but subject to his lawyers deciding. >> kennedy: he's putting himself into a corner because his lawyers are saying one thing to try to give him cover but his president came out and that spontaneous press conference and said not only do i want to talk to him, i want to talk to him under oath. the clinton didn't do that. the investigation so far has been so meticulous and laid out so many traps for those who sat

before the investigators that if the president himself falls into one of those traps, he really could be in trouble. but this adds another layer and it's interesting, how to these investigators, how does he ask did you really try to fire me? >> harris: i do want to get your thoughts on this. if mueller were to be fired, legal experts have said that won't stop the investigation. you have to let the new guy get caught up. >> bernard: he said repeatedly in the recent past that he's not going to fire him. all of that stuff is to give oxygen to these cable news network's, these deranged people with their hair on fire. ask anything you want. >> harris: it is interesting, and we spent a week after week talking about something the president may or may not have said on a friday. just pointing it out. and coming up next hour, we are going to talk more about this story with congressman darrell isaac, california republican member of the house judiciary committee.

we'll be on with me for outnumbered over time to make sure to watch for that. there's a lot more to ask about. the questions on bias at the fbi, they found some of them. they seem to show fbi officials having an affair at the time were worried about being too tough on hillary clinton being on the email investigation. what's up with that? will talk about it, and also that secret memo drafted by house intel care devon nunez. alleging surveillance abuses. the three officials reportedly named in the memo and the potential effect all this could have on the investigation. stay close. patrick woke up with a sore back.

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more doj than fbi? he then responds agreed, i called bill and relayed what we discussed. he agrees. i will email you as redacted thing. in another exchange from october of that year, text or just the officials believed the deputy director andrew mccabe should be recused from the clinton investigation after his wife campaign received donations from a top clinton ally page writes "vicky just called to check in. he very quickly 100% believe that andy should be recused because of the perception. then responds god. it don't understand your email, if it's a matter similar to those we've been talking about today, why no recusal before? something different? strzok says assume he picked up, heading into private practice. in a letter to the fbi director

says the text messages raised serious impartiality concerns. do they? >> bernard: it so obvious, so conspicuous that these two deranged trump hating lovers is what they are. essentially, though the morning joe and mika of the fbi and their investing hitting trump. how is that fair? they are dirty cops, dirty swamp cops. and that's what it is. >> harris: every time you talk, the producer comes in our inner and tells us how much time we have left. like you are so clear speaking on this from your perspective. he was a lead investigator. and why hasn't he been fired? he's working for the hr department. >> sandra: we all make moral judgments about everything whether it's political, the people we hang out with, how we assess them when we meet for the first time, the person sitting next you want to plan, we all do

it in our own personal life. the question is how does that affect the larger picture? and if you are worried that hillary clinton is going to be your boss, therefore you go easy on her in an investigation were have impartiality and follow the letter of the law, that can be very problematic. that's where bias becomes a real issue. >> harris: we had 50,000 before we had the ones that we were missing. >> kennedy: we haven't seen all of those. but those should be questioned. >> harris: wondered about this. and every kind of drop that term, that representative trey county called her a paramore because they were in an affair. this is also part of the complicating factor when you have employees getting together and texting will be of the work devices or the server work or whatever it is. this is a complicating factor because it can't just be my opinion are you with your

opinion and after hours and talking. you're not really technically after hours if you're fbi agents. talking about work. i thought that part was really interesting because she might be our boss. and that sort of takes it in a different direction. and you wonder. that was inevitable. anyone who went in and interviewed her would be concerned about the same exact thing and that's just sort of the nature of what they're doing and what they're investigating. they obviously had a strong dislike for president trump, they obviously were trying to shake things one way or the other to impact the election but the idea that they're worried about going in and interviewing their future boss is something he's worried about. >> bernard: he's the guy that change the language from gross negligence to extreme talent, just have to connect all of the dots collectively points to corruption. >> melissa: that the argument to say how high ranking of an fbi official this was that he was in there with that investigation changing the level

for hillary clinton. >> kennedy: i think bernie is absolutely right. that's where you kind of see these manifestations, and a lot of times people call some of the issues and some of the alarms that have been raised over these text messages in particular conspiracy theories. but at some point, it isn't so vast and desperate. these things tend to get pretty close. and if he really is worried that this woman is going to be his boss and that he could be a professional jeopardy if she remember that he was a guy who really put the screws to work and go from gross negligence which is criminal to extremely careless which is a phrase you might hear. >> harris: it's embarrassing for the fbi at this point. there could have a whole other situation. i'm not even trying to be funny. we never see it in government really. >> bernard: this guy peter strzok, interviewed, they lied to him. they were not charged with anything. he interviewed plan also.

when was charged with perjury. the whole thing just stinks. it's probably criminal i would say. but at the very least, terribly unethical. >> harris: meanwhile, new developments when it comes in that memo drafted by house intelligence chair devon nunez which alleges spying abuses by the obama justice department. "the daily beast" is now reporting specifically named fired fbi director james comey, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. the report also quotes a source who says morale at the fbi is sagging and that republicans would be alienating the agencies otherwise synthetic agents. >> bernard: i believe that most of the agents that the morale is sagging it's because of what the agent said. a few bad apples, not the aggregate of the fbi agents themselves. patriotic guys obviously. but mentioned before, when

you're reading the prompter, mentioned a lot of things. chuck grassley said about some of these text back and forth, it's just obvious. this memo thing, bought and paid for by the hillary campaign and the dnc and took it to a judge to have them spy on you political opposition and then tell the judge that was paid for. the fbi did that, paid for by the hillary campaign. that's criminal in itself. that's collusion between the fbi and the doj and the democrats, the obama administration and the hillary clinton campaign against the trump campaign. >> harris: i want to see the memo more than ever now because telling us just yesterday that there is nothing that even really needs to be touched on them. releasing it to the public, there's a whole lot in there. he things it's been determined whether or not it would actually hurt us to put that information out as a country. he thinks not. yet you've got the doj

spokesperson saying yesterday they want to review this. that's why they sent a block letter keeping unions from releasing it. so how could it be so different and have people look at it and see this? >> sandra: back to that conversation talking to him this morning, he said there is legitimate reasons why this needs to be completely picked over. he said nothing stood out to him and something that would endanger others. as far as the timing of this, ten to 12 days going to see this memo. he was one of the first to say get this out there. the public needs to see it. it's looking more and more like they will. >> melissa: i thought the interview that you date it was really compelling because congressman peter king is very level. he's not someone who comes out with his hair on fire as you mentioned before. and he really said that you'd be shocked to see there was really no reason to start this investigation and that's what's so appalling. and that's scary to us average citizens. this idea that an investigation

could be cooked up, your life could be turned upside down and it was nothing really there with the impetus to start with. if that's true, i want to know about it and what the congressman said yesterday was the only thing that would be revealed in their will or really poor practices that we shouldn't be doing. that was a compelling point. the practices in there should not be going on. >> kennedy: here's my issue with that though because that's a really good point. the practices in there and the abuses of power in this surveillance power, of course they should be curtailed. but why do people only stand up and squawk about it when the opposition is abusing the power? we should always be vigilant of that and devon nunez was one of the people who was really pushing the reauthorization of section 702 of the fight back. then there were civil libertarians from both parties saying fbi, cia, the nsa, they have way too much surveillance power. we need to tighten it.

and devon nunez had known about this memo for months when he was still pushing that reauthorization. and it's very frustrating because if there are abuses of power, we have to know about them. release the memo, release the text. i don't buy this adam schiff notion that this is just something hyper politicized. maybe it is. however, we can constrain them. >> harris: i said is there any penalty that's coming? and she said that's why we want to see the memo first and see those bad practices and with the congressman reported and see how to fix them and if there's penalty or accountability before it goes out. ten or 12 days, i don't know what you can really fix in that time but we'll see. can you do it simultaneously? can you fix and release it? no. will move on. the president is delivering a big speech on the world stage and davos delivering his america first message. he said that it doesn't mean

america alone. how it's playing at home and abroad is what he said and the white house plans to lay out an immigration plan ahead liberals and conservatives up in arms, is that a sure sign of a good compromise that some are happy, most are not? however that works? will talk about it. stay close.

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>> sandra: president from delivering in america first message in davos switzerland today telling of the economic form that the u.s. is open for business making a sales pitch to new business in america it floats all boats, listen. >> i will always put america first just like the leaders of other countries should put their country first also. but america first does not mean

america alone. >> sandra: talking about a signature theme that helped him win the white house. trade. here's what he said. >> as i have said, the united states is prepared to negotiate mutually beneficial bilateral trade agreements with all countries. this will include the countries in tpp which are very important. we have agreements with several of them already. we would consider negotiating with the rest either individually or perhaps as a group if it is in the interest of all. >> sandra: what morning it was because the speech started about 8:00 eastern time time local this morning. and it was a moment for this president to take his america first message to the world stage

and he did. >> bernard: the reception and davos, you were hearing the horror stories about how people are going to walk out and shot him, he was going to be like the beer drinker at a wine tasting festival. o.j. at a feminist rally. it wasn't like that at all. i think they were first mortified to his success and then chastened by it. and they said listen, this vulgar buffoon knows what he's doing so they're going to get on board with him and they should because you can't argue with results. yesterday, had a couple of companies, starbucks, home depot, bonuses, raises. >> sandra: it's tough to keep track of them all at this point. i know you follow this closely in the president this morning also use the opportunity to mention in that speech last night and davos, he sat down with 15 international ceos and said invest in america, bring your companies to america. >> melissa: it so ironic,

everyone likes making money at the end of the day, he has making money for a lot of people. as our economy expands, we come better customers to other parts of the world. bring your manufacturing to our country. everything he says makes no logical sense and people try to attack him for being a xena phobic or whatever it is that he's saying things that are very logical. i'm going to put my country first the same way that you put your country first and you should because you you here represent in that country. that means i'm going to make the best deal possible. regular people understand. in the globalist international media goes bananas. we went to make sure that regular people understand. the president did the same thing with that 15 ceo/cfo dinner that he did with that 55 minute meeting on capitol hill a couple of weeks ago to let us inside the immigration conversation.

he took us inside, letting the camera they pretty went around the table and didn't just let them speak, had a back and fort forth. i think $2 billion over the next two years they're going to put into the american economy. we got to hear him questioning these people, which was taking us right back into the boardroom, the first president since bill clinton to even appear at that form. they talk about protesters but i think people have a basis. >> sandra: didn't know that he's the first sitting president to attend davos since bill clinton bill clinton in 2000, this is the first time that donald trump has ever attended the form as well. >> harris: the first invitation. >> sandra: so he was clearly thrilled to be there. and he mentioned the stock market a few times. >> kennedy: that's just another indicator of how the economy is flourishing in this country and is also a counterpunch to china because china has their own nationalistic economic policy where they want global hegemony by 2050. in the president is saying this is happening right now. look at what we're doing, it's

enticing for companies people like apple who has done so much manufacturing overseas to bring customer support centers and some factories here. in the united states and that's what he's selling. people thought that a populace wouldn't be able to go to a globalist place. he needs to be more free-trade than ever to combine with his domestic success. >> harris: i dislike the fact we get to see it. fair trade. >> melissa: the white house releasing a new immigration proposal and that offers citizenship for nearly 2 million dreamers, $25 billion for the border wall, and into the diversity visa lottery system, significant curbs to chain migration. here is the president and davos earlier. >> we are going to try to make a deal on daca. we have a good chance of making it. we are going to solve the problem. but we also want to solve a tremendous problem on the southern border which is crime.

we need a wall, we need the drugs to stop flowing in. it's much better. but we need a strong border and to do that, you need a wall. >> sandra: but the plane is starting to face opposition from the right including the conservative heritage foundation which cause the proposal a nonstarter. the plan is also expected to face backlash in the house, the g.o.p. senator tom cotton immigration hard-liner applauding it saying the president's framework is generous and humane while also being responsible. while democrats are already blasting it, senator dick durbin singing the proposal holds dreamers hostage and house minority leader nancy pelosi suggesting it's racist. >> that plan is a campaign to make america white again. it's a plan that says over 50% of the current legal immigration will be cut back. that many people will be sent out of the country.

>> sandra: very smart for her to wear red because it hides the chardonnay stains. it such a base and insulting argument immediately cry racism. how are you possibly going to negotiate on something when you undermine it from the beginning? if dick durbin and tom cotton are both upset, i think that's where we are getting. but both sides have to give a little bit if were actually going to stay positive immigration reform. >> melissa: this is getting blasted from the right because it's bigger. if it offers amnesty. >> bernard: the point is that they need 60 votes in the house. if you get that 25 billion for the wall and they change the chain migration and the diversity of the be something which by the way were terrorist that came in and killed 11 people down in lower manhattan, that's how he came in.

when he came in, he brought in 23 people under chain migration. everyone back then said this is terrible and they forget that. >> kennedy: is one of the things that they were trying to do. >> harris: lamar alexander told me yesterday that he thinks it should be more like 70 or 80. but this issue is so incredibly important that they really need a lot of bipartisan buy-in. and that's what makes these negotiations lengthy and difficult. but he was really feeling good about it yesterday. we'll see what happens. they said no day without talk is a something happened. >> sandra: mitch mcconnell saying february 8. it's been made increasingly difficult by the fact that crying chuck schumer took such a beating over the shutdown that he is unable to act on immigration.

there was a democrat in the white house and they had a chance and had promised to fix this issue i did absolutely nothing on it. >> harris: 's has been one of those third rail issues that nobody has wanted to touch because the truth of the matter is, you do have to do all those other things on the border. even democrats know this. they may not be a fan of the wall as they say because it's 14th century or whatever but when i corrected some i've interviewed, it's a wall system, border security, other things. we talk about chain migration and visa lottery system. we know that india's reform comprehensively. our legal immigration system here. so democrats know that. but they weren't able to come up with an answer because they weren't dealing with all those other pieces of apollo in this way. >> kennedy: if they would just force with the vote that they made in 2006, when they voted for border security and did the exact same thing, it's pretty wall like. >> melissa: when we come back, these companies are giving their

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>> sandra: welcome back. republican lawmakers gearing up for a fight now being or should sell the tax reform law while campaigning in the midterm election. but in the republican majority on the line and they have a good selling point with many companies giving out thousand dollar bonuses as result of the new tax cut. but senate democrats, that's not good news. house minority leader nancy pelosi slamming the company calling the bonuses

breadcrumbs. let them eat breadcrumbs. here's what she said yesterday in florida. apparently, they held a meeting after happy hour. congresswoman debbie watson and schultz echoing the same sentiment at the same event. >> i'm not sure that $1,000 which is half taxable goes very far for almost anyone. >> harris: what did you say, melissa? they don't tax it. >> melissa: she's complaining there taxing. stop taxing stuff, then.

>> kennedy: so here you go. we've seen study after study that a majority of americans don't have $1,000 in savings. they don't have $1,000 in emergency cash on hand. so you're telling those people most americans that this is nothing, this is breadcrumbs. >> melissa: you can't talk down money. it's not good, you don't want it, you don't want more money. >> harris: it's not breadcrumbs. you can't talk it down. money is money and people like more of it. this is not groundbreaking. >> bernard: they come off like these obscene spoiled housewives, so out of touch. that live in a mansion on a bluff. i had a collar on my radio show saying that if obama did this tape of this, they got $40 back in taxes on the democrats including nancy pelosi went out and hyped that. you're getting dollars back, this is great.

and now they're saying $1,000 is crumbs. same with immigration ten years ago. now it's different. hypocrites, liars. out of touch. >> kennedy: do you know why they were upset? the government didn't force these companies to do it. this is free-market success. >> sandra: they would be reluctant to admit that it's been so good for those who are doing it and it's talking a lot of people. >> harris: the president called that love. how do you argue against dollars and love? i'm serious. the democrats are struggling with a message against dollars and love and that's going to be tough for them. they're going to have to embrace talking about the economy, they're going to have to look at what "the new york times" did. had they list all the things that are working for people? they didn't op-ed for pro trump supporters so that way he gets on the record with the paper but they didn't have to put it on the front page that there actually have been accomplishing in the economy. >> sandra: i look at $1,000 and think how many meals for the

average american household could that provide? used $1,000 to pay off debt, how much money that actually is over a period of time, putting in your 401(k), after putting $1,000 in your 401(k) 12 months ago, how much would that be today? where republicans with that message? i don't think you even need to say because i don't think you can talk this down. as people get money, they feel good about it. >> harris: where are they on that? >> bernard: again, just having the money itself sells itself as melissa was saying. that's the sales pitch right there. if you don't to go out and actually overtly. >> kennedy: this is not government coercion, it's not forced. it's not getting a social security check. these are companies giving bonuses at the minimum wage hikes are awesome. horrible for small businesses.

and minority teenagers who are trying to get in the workforce for the first time who have a record unemployment rates. we can't solve everything but we do try. any reports as former secretary of state john kerry told a palestinian leader to resist president trump when it comes to peace negotiations and that he may run for president again. the former secretary of state actually do this? doesn't that sound very un-american? >> i'd be very, very surprised if the secretary of state senator john kerry would've said anything that was that overtly anti-american. okay folks!

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>> sandra: more "outnumbered" in just a moment the first, was go to harris as he was coming up on outnumbered over time. >> harris: i'd ran up during the commercial. let's get going. republican congressman darrell issa joins me on president trump's denial that he tried to hire special counsel robert mueller. it is that a big deal? would only matter if he actually went through with it? we will talk with conservatives union chairman about the president's immigration and work which we are going to get to see you next week. can they both get on board. as the white house says yes. all of that and more, over time of the hour. >> sandra: happy friday, thank you.

former secretary of state john kerry reportedly tried to meddle in middle east peace talks when he met in london with a close associate of palestinian leader. he told him to tell him to resist president trump's demands and that he may challenge comp in 2020. a portly saying president trump may not be in office much longe longer. the republican jewish coalition responding "john kerry field for four years the secretary of state to achieve his really pill is achieve israeli-palestinian peace. he is no longer representative of the american people and his action conducting a shadow foreign policy is reckless and undermines the possibility of achieving peace. and former house speaker newt gingrich of the incredulous at the report. >> that would surprise me. kerry knows his former secretary of state, former u.s. senator that that kind of advice would be stunningly unpatriotic. i don't think that john kerry would do something like that. i hope you wouldn't. i'd be very, very surprised if

secretary of state senator john kerry would've said anything that was that overtly anti-american. >> sandra: is not publicly responded yet at least. >> bernard: doesn't he have her catch up empire to or something like that? is this not a violation of the logan act that we heard so much about where you conduct negotiations or unauthorized with foreign entities that are especially enemies technically. but anyways, this guy is a disaster and it's all about israel and trump strengthening our friendship with israel. a lot of people thought that he had a cabal. obama carries, they were very anti-israel and pro-iran and pro-palestinian. though the mall and in there. and he is just if he did that. >> sandra: i hope it's not true. >> melissa: when i read the story, i said this can't possibly be true. it would be exactly as newt gingrich said, it would be

so un-american, so anti-u.s. it does seem like it would violate the logan act. i can't imagine he would actually do it. >> kennedy: and regardless of party. every president, every administration, every one of the country wants peace in the middle east. they want to bring these two sides together. resistance is one thing. if it's a political tool here domestically and it's a way of bolstering your site, i get that. so much as fair and forgiven of politics here within our shores. however, when you go overseas and you're putting a wedge and the peace process because somehow you think you're magically going to be the democratic nominee in the next president in 2020, that shows that if this is true, it's incredibly self-serving for john kerry in incredibly problematic for the process. that should be the aim. >> bernard: i would say oprah wants to run, you had your shot. stay out there. let the new blood get in there.

you don't have anybody in there on the other side so why not. all of these things come all of these anti-american things that he's done in the past. i know he served his country but he came back and he did some things and now he's doing this. it is not a very nice, not good, not cool, might be illegal as well. >> sandra: there is a lot of upset about the way on the left they think that president trump is handling the situation. it was interesting to hear him talk about it in davos's say the fact that he talked about moving to jerusalem and took that off the table, that that has been one of the issues that was keeping the whole thing from being involved so sing up front were going to do that separates it from the whole entire negotiation and helps get people to the table. that's no longer an issue. it's an interesting point of view. i can certainly see that. i don't know if anyone agrees with that. >> bernard: the alliance between israel and united states now more important against a koran and more important to the

palestinian issue. >> sandra: it's been a big week for the president and a big week for us. we have a few minutes left on "outnumbered." we'll be right back. with expedia, one click gives you access to discounts on thousands of hotels, cars and things to do. like the fairmont mayakoba for 59% off. everything you need to go. expedia.

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in case the audience is wondering. >> bernard: get some sleep. >> sandra: have a wonderful weekend, we are back on tv monday, live at noon eastern time. here is harris. >> harris: will build you might begin with the fox news alert, reports president trump says reports he tried to fire a special counsel robert mueller are simply not true. the president is denying allegations he ordered the firing of a special council last june. he called "the new york times" reporting fake news. and there is this. several other media outlets have now confirmed president trump floated the idea of getting rid of mueller but white house counsel and other aids convinced him not to. anthony scaramucci says the story is irrelevant because it never happened. >> this is what i really believed happened, he said there is absolutely no collusion here, why do we need this unnecessary