pete: we want to thank pottery barn kids for this adorable chair. rachel: it's so cute i'm holding her and she's rolling her eyes back to see her mommy. >> abby: it's so good to be back pete: isabelle grace, welcome back. neil: all right we've got bonuses we've got wages, benefit s you name it companies are taking that tax cut and man oh, man are they sharing it so ahead of president trump's state of the union is it any wonder why a lot of democrats are trying to downplay it? welcome everybody i'm neil cavuto and did any of you see or hear this take a look. >> i'm not sure that a thousand dollars which is taxable goes very far for almost anyone. >> corporations they've got a huge tax break are doing these one-time bonuses and that is not the lift that was promised. it's not even close.

>> some of them are not getting anything, some of them are getting raises and the rest are getting crumbs. >> the crumbs that they are giving to workers to kind of put the schmooze on is so pathetic. neil: so leave your politics out of this for a second. pathetic does this look pathetic to you? item one, fiat chrysler 60,000 workers, $2000. at&t 200,000 workers, $1000 and bank of america 145,000 workers, $1000. i could go on and on because the list goes on and on and it expands on and on. we're going wall to wall with former obama economic advisor austin goulsby, on democrats dismissing this, white house budget director mick mulvaney and even when the white house is surprised by this home depot co- founder bernie marcus just becoming apart of this democratic colorado governor john hickenlooper on certain states trying to legally stop

this. first lauren simonetti and also ellison barber on a president sizzling on a good pr bonanza. we begin with lauren. >> so many companies neil first ones you mentioned at&t, bank of america and others giving out the tax cut savings to their workers, but then not only did that list get bigger but so did the companies. it surprised even the administration as the office of management and budget. told you, neil. >> we didn't even expect the christmas bonuses that went out. we didn't expect the minimum wage increases from large employers across the country that was even more than we expected. we think that we've under promised on the tax reform and the impacts that we can have in the economy. >> well just this week, home depot giving thousands of its hourly workers up to $1000 bonuses and we're going to talk to bernie marcus the co-founder of the company in just a few minutes but let's get back to that growing list now. fedex spending $3.2 billion on wage hikes, bonuses as well as

pension funding. starbucks investing $250 million in itself offering 150,000 workers more money, better benefits, plus they're creating thousands of new jobs. let's flip it to jp morgan chase , a $20 billion investment over five years giving 22000 workers wages that start at $15 an hour. chase is also opening 400 new branches creating 4000 new jobs. disney is spending $125 million so 125,000 employees can receive $1000 bonuses and wal-mart, well their package was actually announced last week but it was big. we're talking more than 1 million hourly workers, 1 million getting base wages that start at $11 an hour, they will see that go into effect next month, plus bonuses up to a thousand and increased family benefits totaling $700 million. so we asked folks around here how this new corporate generosity makes them feel.

>> i think it's good for the people on the ground doing all the work. >> it's more money in the paycheck today, so that could be positive hopefully that fixes the economy. >> i think it's a nice gesture but when you look at it as a percentage that we receive from the tax benefit it's in miss call. >> i got a check for a thousand dollars so thank you, president trump. >> americans for tax reform keeping a good tally of all of this say 265 companies are sharing their tax reform savings with millions and millions of workers. very likely just the beginning, these crumbs, neil. neil: these crumbs. but again, you know, you can always test the motivation of these companies doing this and are the folks getting this money or not, so we'll see how that also works out meanwhile the president is probably going to be mentioning this in the state of the union address in a couple of days. how is he preparing for all of that? ellison barber has the latest. what are you hearing? >> hi, neil president trump

seemed up beat leaving davos and tweeted his speech was well received now and he has another speech to prepare for his very first state of the union address he's addressed congress before, but this is president trump's first official state of the union address and the congressional update mandated by the constitution is set to take place tuesday at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. there are many legislative priorities the president could lay out from in from structure to immigration and he also may bring up things that already passed like tax reform until he speaks it's a bit of a guessing game but most political analysts expect the economy to be a major focus. many voters think the economy is in a good place. the latest fox poll found 17% of voters believe the economy is in excellent shape, 32% say good, 35% only fair and 14% say the economy is in poor shape. 40% of voters polled say the trump administration has made

the economy better. more people believe he's made it better than worse but about 50% of voters polled don't give president trump credit for the economy. 22% say the administration made the economy worse about a third of those polled say the administration has not made a difference one way or another. after president trump's speech representative joe kennedy of massachusetts will deliver the democrats official response. neil? neil: all right thank you very much el eson. not all democrats by the way will be at the state of the union address . we'll talk to one saying they're acting like children and should grow up. that's coming up later on. in the meantime, you know, there was a time when global leaders would snicker when the president of the united states was speaking but only a few months ago. they've moved from snickering to sucking up and it was very very apparent in davos this week. let's get the read with john layfield, we've got dagen mcdowell back with us, dagen it was remarkable to see a world

body that is poo-pooed, i don't know what french is but this is the same gang chasing those nute lla by the way but what do you make of that? all of a sudden they're trying to do deals with the president, get in photos with the president , squeeze in time with the president what happened? >> dean: america's open for business now with this massive tax reform and it's not just for individuals obviously. it's for the corporations, permanent tax cuts for corporations that also do business with all these other nations. last year, you had every major developed country growing simultaneously. there were 45 countries that were growing, so they understand that these policies that the president has shepherded has put in place are good for business around the globe, so there is a lot of as we say down south there's a lot of butt smooching going on. neil: danielle there was a time when democrats and hopefully we have the audio for this, where a thousand dollars was a lot of money and it meant something to

them but i guess when it's companies handing out bonus checks it doesn't. will they regret their no votes? >> i think they will actually. a thousand dollars is a lot of money to most of americans who are earning 40 or $50,000 by the median or the average depending on how you look at it. yeah democrats cared about this for a very long time and i think particularly with all of the bonuses and the benefits that we're seeing from starbucks to apple you name it, i don't think the trump administration expected this is going to happen and certainly didn't think the democrats did either. dagen: i've nick named nancy pelosi marie antoinette. crumbs by just a lot more i mean a thousand dollars buys more than a piece of cake. a thousand dollars can feed a family of four for about a month , fill up your gas tank 20- 25 times. neil: very very well put but it wasn't that long ago when democrats were pushing under president obama payroll tax relief that would amount to a

thousand dollars so it was important then and it was important then and it's consequential now. they're arguing, john layfield that these companies can afford to give more because they've got so much out of the tax cut. that may or may not be the case. the fact they are doing the. >> they are and it's crazy that they have to do it for the right reasons and now you're assigning motive to these companies and when you say well they're doing the right thing. neil: i don't think the company 's motive matters to a home depot worker. >> who cares if they're doing it for publicity or political reasons or the right thing. these workers that need this money are getting the money and they have 70% of gdp is consumer spending right now and this will help the economy and certainly help the workers and fighting over who gets credit shows how divided this country is politically. neil: you could also say dagen this is happening pre- individuals seeing it in their regular checks that will start in droves next month so this is pre that and i always think that a company feels they've got to keep up with the jones, the other companies to

follow-up and do their own thing do you think they will? in other words we've got to think about one out of 10 of the s & p 500 companies doing this and i'm told it's very lookly when all is said and done they all will, then what? dagen: you're going to have potentially and this is from jamie dimon head of jp morgan chase. neil: big democrat. dagen: big old democrat 4% growth potentially in the coming year. we haven't seen 4% growth in the united states since the year 2000 in any one year. we haven't seen 3% growth in the united states since 2005 and this goes to why we had such a stagnation during the obama years. it was the lack of capital spending. it was lack of business investment and in the last quarter, we got the gdp out yesterday morning. business non-residential investment was up 6.8%. that is a dramatic number. that is a big increase and that is what is making the difference here is we have a much more

friendly playing field for businesses far and wide. big businesses and small businesses crushed by regulations particularly those in obamacare. neil: well a lot of this was hurt by the regulatory effort first before the tax cuts even came to fruition. danielle it's always risky and early in this case that start handicapping the midterm elections in november but you could see if this sticks and resonates and people appreciate it and like it that their sentiment could change. poll numbers are picking up approval for the tax cut itself, sending it toward the economy not necessarily the president himself. >> well they still favor the democrats pretty heavily which we would expect because although the economic news is very good and tax cuts are great there's a lot of things happening out of the white house that are problematic. we are still on a rollercoaster of scandal which in and of itself is unstable so instability is always an economic statistic. so we go back to the clinton and bill clinton understood that was

the way that people vote with their wallets in a lot of respects. i think from the ceo's perspective they're happy about the tax break and want to bring their money back in and invest in people and plants and they are still going to stand up to the president when it relates to immigration when there are social issues they're concerned about so at the end of the day there are leaders and they care about their people and also what people think. neil: we shall see. i want to thank you all in the meantime of course the market certainly enjoyed this over the course of the week. we are running, the dow up about 8% year-to-date we've had 99 records since donald trump was first elected president and a lot of people say and dagen touched on some of the particulars in the latest gdp report disappointing though to some who expected a stronger read it did represent a change at an annual growth the strongest we've seen in three years we'll have more after this

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eliminating political bias or favortism in either direction from an investigations and our prosecutions. that sort of thinking is what the department stands for. we will not tolerate it. neil: all right jeff sessions is going after those in the fbi to individuals in two lake sort of dismissing donald trump before he was elected and then trying to do everything they could to maybe ratchet up an investigation into russian ties in the past election to make sure he would be a leader and now there are texts to prove that back and forth to at least indicate that but to hear a lot of democrats tell it, it is unfair and just not right and it is questioning our highest security institutions at the same time and there were many of course who supported this approach when it came to planning out what the pentagon thought in the so-called pentagon papers in plating casualty counts during the vietnam war and coming back to question whether all agencies

were on the same page prior to 9 /11 why they weren't communicating. it was okay then and why isn't it okay now? fox news contributor an molly employing way, this is the back and forth on this that democrats are saying it is unfair and it is not right and it is an insult to our institutions, namely the fbi to question whether they're all doing things on the same page and for the same riotous reasons what do you think? >> right well i think it suggests there's something very significant that we're learning about these long congressional investigations which have uncovered that there was politicization in the handling of both the north korea e-mail investigations and the donald trump russia investigation. that is very important. that is serious and it's the job of congress to perform oversight that's its constitutional responsibility so while i understand that it's very dangerous to the over arching narrative that we've been subjected to for more than a year the one that claims that

trump colluded with russia, it is more important that we have an fbi and department of justice that people can trust that we don't have agencies where we think there's one set of rules for political friends and one set of rules for political enemies. the integrity of these agencies does require some uncomfortable airing of dirty laundry but it's for the good of the country that we do this rather than try to sweep it under the rug or move it aside. it's that key. neil: yeah, i just noticed both sides can play politics but it was particularly glaring when i heard chuck schumer talking about this especially remembering what it said when he was blasting then fbi director comey for his back and forth in the hillary clinton investigation and i want you to see these positions back to back chuck schumer then. >> i was appalled by what director comey did. he owes not only secretary clinton but the american people an explanation for what appears to be an appalling action. >> the republican party which

used to hold itself up as a law and order party seems intent on destroying the credibility of our premier law and order agency and the hard working men and women who serve there. neil: what do you think of that, molly? well it's interesting we know what we do know about the politicization at the fbi precisely because democrats were upset with comey's handling of hillary clinton in the days before the election and i think they were right to be upset actually, but because of that investigation into what they perceive as politicization we got all these texts which show that maybe james comey wasn't telling the truth when he was under oath claiming that the department of justice didn't know what he was going to do about the hillary clinton probe or that he didn't make his decision until after he interviewed hillary clinton so because of that investigation, we have learned about problems even that strzok and page talked about how they didn't hand over to congress a full accounting of hillary clinton's statements to the fbi because it included some

inflammatory statements. all sorts of things we're learning because of these two lovers couldn't stop talking about what they were doing at work. neil: let's assume they're the exception to the rule which i'm sure there are but if you played out this rage at so-called politicization of this on the part of democrats saying this of republicans would they not have held the pentagon accountable for inflated casualties during the vietnam war that would not have come to light unless those pentagon papers were released? we didn't question the decency of most people who then worked at the pentagon than most who work at the fbi today? it's a straw man to say if you recognize problematic behavior among the few individuals cast ing these versions on everyone. in fact it hurts the reputation of all fbi agents if there are some bad apples and that's why it's more important for their sake we get to the bottom of this and just clear the air if there's nothing wrong there that's good if we find out problems we immediate to fix them. neil: i'm telling you if the roles were reversed it would be

front page material every day. thank you very much in the meantime we're hearing the democrats dismissing the thousand dollar bonuses right now as crumbs even though they're coming from companies. there was a time when president barack obama was in power when a thousand dollars meant a lot more. what happened? we play the tape you decide. a l. 1, 2, 3, push! easy! easy! easy! (horn honking) alright! alright! we've all got places to go! we've all got places to go! washington crossing the delaware turnpike? surprising. what's not surprising? how much money sean saved by switching to geico. big man with a horn. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.

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human being but austin all kidding aside i mean what do you make of the criticism that a lot of democrats have talked about the tax cuts and bonuses coming from companies because they're sort of poo poo'ing many of them the thousand dollars and i'm thinking back to the time around 2011 the president and many other democrats were pushing for payroll tax relief. that amounted to i think about $40 a week at the time including president obama. want you to look at this. >> gain for the average family who doesn't have an extra thousand bucks to lose, not a gain for somebody whose out there looking for work right now pete: now to add to that at the time as you'll recall nancy pelosi said today's agreement is a victory for the american people they spoke out clearly and $40 in each paycheck will make a difference so what's the difference now? >> well look, thousand dollars is a lot of money and back then i was proud of and part of that making work pay tax credit was

$2000 right it was $40 a week. i think that it's a mistake it's at best it's an artfully stated if people are saying a thousand dollars is crumbs. i think the idea that companies we were going to borrow something like $3 trillion to pay for gigantic tax cuts which the companies pass on less than 3% of that money to their workers, i think that's a fair thing to criticize but i think it's not really planetary to be describing a thousand dollars as not a lot of money. neil: fair enough now and it is fair enough to say that companies maybe could share the wealth more. some are some aren't in case of chrysler fiat $5500 a worker if things work out in the bottom line a year from now, but nevertheless, are you surprised as many of the white house were surprised i was talking to mick

mulvaney the budget director who said he didn't envision many colleagues at the white house didn't envision all these companies doing this. now it doesn't startle me in this respect that they got such a good deal to your point on this tax cut, they have to go beyond just rewarding shareholders or buying back stock but do you think this is bigger than we can appreciate that other companies will do this i think ten a day various sizes are immigrating it so that it's very likely. so it will have an effect on the economy, the imf says globally it could boost growth. >> well you're kind of jumping to conclusions. i hope that this is a continuing process of us raising wages. you seen wages finally start to go up in the last three years and let's hope that this ushers in an era of even faster wage growth. now remember when they sold the tax plan, they said that literally the majority of the money would not be kept by the

companies and just paid out a dividend or share repurchase that they would use it to raise wages, so this is what we want this is what they promise to happen. neil: and it's happening right. do you think we're see seeing this happen? wait a minute. let's look at wal-mart. you always quote wal-mart. now all of a sudden wal-mart is raising minimum wages and you just mentioned that i jumped the gun talking about growth. now the imf itself the institution numbers i think you trusted when you were in power they are forecasting because of this tax cut a two-tenths percent improvement in global growth just are tax cuts alone. what do you think of that? >> well i hope that's true. if you look at the united states growth rate in 2017 we just got the number yesterday, it was 2.3 %. that's a tenth of a point better than it was in the recovery of the previous six years but as a

continuing growth rate of modest improvement is one thing. we should encourage it. if the companies if you take the case of apple, they're going to clear something like $225 billion because they're going to be able to repatriate the profits and they gave one- tenth of 1% of that as a one -time bonus to their employee s in the u.s.. neil: but they're also investing , wait a minute they're also investing 350 billion, austin austin you're quite right to say yes could they give more but it sounds like you're complaining, but austin, austin, they're investing $350 billion in this country over the next 10 years. scores of other companies doing the same now can they do more should they do more might they do more like you say i have no idea but i am saying that none of this, austin none of this would have happened if there wasn't 15.6% rate on money held

abroad to come home and get to work. a lot of these big companies are taking that money home and putting it to work. >> look i hope that that's true but we're borrowing -- neil: you don't think apple will do this, they're lying? >> no it's that we're borrowing the money to give to them to do this, so it's not just -- neil: it's their money. no, no, the corporate tax relief it's their money, austin. it's the money they held abroad now they're incentivized to bring it home and put it to work >> you say it's their money should there be no taxes? neil: wait a minute i'm talking about the money held abroad. focus on that that one time where they bring that money back home in one big company's case they're investing it a prominent democrat who runs the brokerage firm, hear me out. i'll let you answer. austin i promise i will let you answer. jp morgan chase is going to invest $20 billion over the next 10 years, precisely incentivized

by a tax cut and keep in mind that dimon is no fan personally of the president in fact he's a prominent democrat. goldman sachs calls it the trump economy boom. what do these people see that you apparently don't? >> look as you know, neil when i was in the obama administration i was part of the group advocat ing we should find a way to cut the corporate tax rate and i don't object to that: i encourage and call for that. what i'm saying is if you're not going to pay for the tax cut if you just borrow the $3 trillion that it would take to pay for it , then it is perfectly appropriate. neil: you guys never paid for all of the spending you did, austin. you guys never paid for all of the spending you did. we added 10 trillion to our debt you weren't worries about americans getting tax relief now >> you are simply stating things neil: did the debt go up $10 trillion under your watch or did it not? >> the debt went up at the beginning of the administration as you know because we had the

deepest recession of our lifetime. they then cut the deficit more than in half by the end of the first term. neil: did the debt go up or did it not? were you worried about the spending? you're more worried about tax cut relief going to americans & companies than you are about the spending that complicated it for those individuals. >> neil you're being disingenuinous. that is not true. neil: did the debt go up? yes it did. >> i told you perfectly well we were concerned about how to get the deficit down once we got out of the recession. neil: i don't know i'll respectfully disagree. we have two different memories but thank you, austin very much good having you. more on the fall out from all of this argument right after this.

neil: all right we're getting a lot of mail good and bad, and that exchange i just had with the former top o back a economic

official but i found it a little hypocritical for democrats in general adding to the debt or paying for something they seem to pick and choose their battle when it comes to tax cuts versus spending but leaving that aside also dismissing whether a thousand dollars is meaningful or not even they thought that was a bit of a stretch and did look bad for republicans to have to counter that kind of argument from democrats. now we'll be speaking a little bit bernie marcus he's the co- founder of home depot and one of the many many companies sharing with at least thousand dollar bonuses to workers potentially more to come if the numbers work out right. bernie joins us right now. essentially this back and forth the democrats saying a thousand dollars is chump change it doesn't really move the needle much you say what? >> i say that that interview you just had is the most incredible thing i've ever heard. i really actually laughed outloud. you want to talk about somebody who is off the charts and doesn't understand reality,

that's your last guest. it's schumer and pelosi. a thousand dollars is so meaningful and i'll give you an example, neil. i spent my life on the floor of the stores at home depot. that's what i did. almost every week of my life i was in-stores all over the united states and i talked to customers and i talked to employees and i can tell you that a thousand dollars is more than meaningful. it could be paying the mortgage. it could be paying for a car repair. it could be paying for a past due bill. these are things that the pelosi schumer group didn't have a clue about. that's why they lost the election. it's as simple as that. they are so busy with their elitists in san francisco and hollywood and new york city and all these money deals that they go into week after week after week and clinton never knew about the real people out there and that's why they lost the election and that's why they're going to lose the next election for the same reason.

when they start talking about crumbs, the people in america where these are not crumbs, and more important than that, there's something happening, neil that's critically important that makes more sense than everything else. we had a thing you know i'm involved with job creators network which is really benefit ing the small business guy. we had a conference call last week, this week and we talked to small business guys. here is what they told us. number one, what are they doing with the money and by the way this is tsunami. you hear about home depot, you hear about microsoft, you hear about google but you're not hearing about the people that really count out there and that's the 30 million businesses , small businesses in america. now this money flows to them. let me tell you what they are saying. i have a pizza guy in florida that i'm aware of. he's going to redo his pizza parlor completely and he hasn't

been able to do for three years changing the whole thing over and he figures he's able to hire two more people and he can expense the cost of redoing his property. that's important. that's two people. i spoke to a guy whose on the phone who manufactures cookies. well he's going to hire three or four people. now, when you start adding that up to millions of businesses and by the way, they're all paying higher wages and why are they paying higher wages? because suddenly in america, jobs are being created all over. there's becoming a shortage of workers out there, so qualified workers are getting more. this is doing more. you know this whole $15 and they went on the streets and they went against mcdonald's. well do you know what? it's happening through the free enterprise. neil: no no you're right about that. bernie i think what's lost in this argument i understand the democrats have said maybe some

of them are embarrassed by their no vote that it could come back to them given this unexpected pay it forward thing the companies are trying to immitate and maybe they got such large assets they should but that's not the point. they also have the option of not doing this so i think you get caught in oh, yeah, they should get more and oh, yeah, bottom line here i don't think people appreciate the magnitude of companies small and large doing this and the effect it could have on the economy. i had no idea how it will affect republicans and whether they can still hang on to the house and/ or senate. no idea whether it lifts the president's approval numbers but i do know that consumer sentiment retail sentiment even in the slow fourth quarter picked up to a degree at a pace which we've not seen in 10 years so there's something going on here and i suspect, i suspect the tax cuts and at the time coming and hoping they would come to fruition are a big reason. >> well, neil, you have to

understand something. number one i don't think that most of corporate america or america believe that this tax cut was going to happen. i know that job creators network was very effective in making it happen along with some key senators that supported like ron johnson, so suddenly, you don't think that overnight, you go from 36% in taxes to 21 and you just take it and throw it out. that's not really the way business works. people are sitting down now and figuring out their future and saying look, we now have this amount of money that we didn't have before. where could we, remember this is not the u.s. government. when they make an investment they do it because its got to be return on invested capital. the u.s. government spent it because they have it so they're going to do smart things. they're going to make smart moves and that will take a

period of time just like the small businesses. this is not going to it's not going to turnover night. corporations are not going to open 14 buildings overnight. come on give me a break. you've got to use your brains. i mean democrats use your stupid brains you don't have any brains in understanding what happened. neil: now, now, been it be a nice billionaire. >> listen, you're calmer than i am. i've been watching this scene take place for a while and i don't, i just don't get it. i just don't get their thinking. you know, what's good for america, neil? what's good for the american people let's stop thinking about politics is this good for the democratic party? does this mean we could take the presidency? let's start thinking in terms of really lifting up the lives of the american people creating more jobs, taking more people off of food stamps. that's what it's all about and i think that trump is actually doing what he said he's going to do and that is so unique and

unusual for a politician to get up there and do what he said he's going to do. it's shocking. it's shocking. neil: well apparently it is for a lot of folks been it always a pleasure my friend thank you very very much. thank you. neil: generating a lot of jobs for a lot of people created home depot but he isn't even remotely handy but had nothing to do with his success but bernie marcus home depot co-founder. so you know he was mentioning that was president trump, there are a lot of people despite what's going on in the tax cut front and the pick up in the economy who are opting not to attend his state of the union address. could that be a mistake? now there are a lot of republicans who say that. i want you to meet the democratic congressman emmanuel clearer who says it's a big mistake as well.no he's here. she's also this close to finding bigfoot. but when it comes to mortgages, she's less confident. fortunately for megan, there's rocket mortgage by quicken loans.

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neil: all right, the president after a big success in davos now the question is can he have the

same type of reaction when he comes to the united states congress we'll talk to a democrat whose a little upset that some of his colleagues are opting out of the speech but we do know part of the theme of that big speech will be not only a little bit about the tax cuts and what's been happening and all these companies what they're doing but this move to change the way the united states government for example, handles entitlements like medicaid for example. some are calling it a modern day welfare to work. something that bill clinton champ conned with newt gingrich. this is sort of like a work to medicaid or medicaid to work or whatever the case is something that is happening in maine as we speak right now. not even waiting for direction from the federal government the republican governor of that beautiful state joins us paula page. very good to have you. >> it's a pleasure to be back, neil. neil: the issue is that able- bodied fed it kid recipients should kick in more, right? i mean is that it? >> yeah, it's very very

important and particularly in a state like maine and rural state being the oldest state in the country, nursing homes, mentally ill folks, they're all depending on government support and there's limited resources and we all know medicaid doesn't pay the full vote and therefore we have to get everybody able to contribute has to contribute so the safety net is available for the most vulnerable. neil: but how do you distinguish whose eligible and who needs it and who doesn't? >> well basically if you're physically fit and able to go to work, we ask you to either go to work, go to school or volunteer some of your time. those are the rules and if you don't do that then you don't qualify and you're in eligible to get on to the entitlement. neil: are you and a lot of your crit bs said governor that some voters have had it with this notion they separately pushed in an item to improve and expand medicaid lastearn the provisions of the affordable ct they say you're ignoring theirhes. wis

you said? >> no i'm not ignoring their wishes. they passed the law. they want to expand medicaid and i'm fine with that. give me the money. i can't expand medicaid without funds. i have to pay the bills and therefore until you identify how we're going to pay for it, i can't implement it. i can not spend money i don't have. neil: fair enough, sir. you know there are many people who look at what's happening in the medicaid experiment that you led within your state for good or old depending on the political print of view but that what the president is going to outline could be something similar on a national basis and that he might be setting the stage for addressing virtually all our entitlement programs medicare, who knows. now i don't want to make that leap here but is it your sense that what the president is going to offer is just that, what you're doing in maine, he wants

to do nationally. >> i believe that is correct. i've spoken to the president about it. he likes what we're seeing in maine. right now, we've done some welfare reform in our snap program and revenues for the folks gone to work were up about 114-120% people are dropping out of the system. they don't need to be on the system any more and there's a couple things nobody wants to talk about on the left. one, you remove these people from isolation. you get them into relationships into the workforce. they're now contributing towards their own well being and they're now positioning them while they're working to get commercial health insurance instead of medicaid health insurance which doesn't cover the full cost and i think that hospitals in maine who were campaigning to have medicaid for everyone, are realizing that people that were on the exchanges that were getting

commercial rates are now offer, are going to fall off and be paying and getting less than adequate support from the medicaid system. neil: governor we're going to watch closely this is what you're doing could make it better for what happens national ly. very good seeing you again sir, appreciate it. same here and i'll tell you, it is working and people are recognizing it and the people are thanking us for it. neil: all right thank you governor. senator has a message for chuck schumer. >> build the damn wall after this. ron! something's going on at schwab. oh really? thank you clients? well jd power did just rank them highest in investor satisfaction with full service brokerage firms... again. and online equity trades are only $4.95... i mean you can't have low cost and be full service. it's impossible. it's like having your cake and eating it too. ask your broker if they offer award-winning full service and low costs. how am i going to explain this?

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>> chuck will make a deal. he will make it happen. nobody wants these children, i don't have many in my state so it's not a pressing issue in the

state of west virginia but i have a heart and i'm sympathetic and i have empathy for these. neil: but he took the wall off the table. >> well he did not, okay? neil: yeah, he did the funding for that he says he's not going to -- >> let me tell you one thing. we need to have border security neil. i'm voting for border security those other deputies will vote for border security. neil: all right joe telling me to do the wall and soon it looks like the president will do citizenship for a lot of those dreamers do we have a deal? let's ask rich edson, following this closely at the white house what are you hearing? >> good morning, neil no deal yet and lots of time to negotiate at least in washington time until the early part of march but the white house does have a proposal on the table been largely rejected by democratic leadership but the deal is for them at least the white house and we're talking of course about these dreamers, folks brought to the united states illegally as children, the president says he wants to provide a legal status for the so-called daca recipients 10-12 year path to citizenship for as

many as about 1.8 million people , but in exchange the white house wants $25 billion trust fund to fund a border wall system, eliminate the visa lottery system, and end chain migration and yesterday the president was discussing this and saying that he does want to keep these folks in this country president trump: everybody wants to solve the daca problem. they've been wanting to solve it for a long time. it should have been solved by president obama, especially when he had the house and the senate they could have solved it in a day, but they didn't solve it. he didn't solve thins and he did something that he didn't have the right to do. you understood he did an executive order and that was no good. neil: senator chuck schumer simply says that the white house is using dreamers to get daca. back to you. or to get what it wants back to you. neil: to get what it wants thank you very much buddy. all right in the meantime you've heard by now the stories on steve wynn the casino mogul whose been charged with multiple counts of sexual misconduct he

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big donor of the republican national committee and called a great friend of the president. in light of this, democrats are incesting the rnc return contributions from wynn. we've not heard if the property will do that or if wynn is planning to step down from his rnc role. the report yesterday from the wall street journal alleges dozens of people have accused wynn of sexually inappropriate behavior and detailed settlements paid out to employees. wynn denies the allegations telling the journal it's quote, preposterous. the board of director of wynn resorts saying they've formed a special committee to investigate the allegations and quote, the board is deeply xh ited to ensuring the safety and well-being of all of the companies, employees and to operating with the highest ethical standards. when the harvey weinstein scandal broke, they were called on to return contributions from the har mogul harvey weinstein.

>> i want to go to david asman and repercussions. >> i'm hearing it's over that he's got to give up his republican position as a fundraiser, and he was sort of the coo of the republican party in terms of getting money from various friends that he had and he was well-situated for that position, but the republicans have got to drop him after this. one thing that we have learned over the past couple of years of all of these scandals, here and elsewhere, is that it snowballs. you hear of a couple of incidences and then all sorts of women that come out and say this has happened to me and that's what expected with a lot of people, but this is-- this guy is las vegas. i mean, he was-- he started out, his father was in the bingo business of all things, his father died in 1963, he took over the bingo business on the east coast in

maryland, and then new jersey, and then moved to las vegas. he saw that vegas was the place to be. built this empire himself. i mean, he is an extraordinary entrepreneur, that cannot be discounted, a flawed human being, certainly, according to what the wall street journal is detailing and by the way, that was a great piece in the wall street journal, terrific reporting. neil: he says it's not so he so we don't know the deal. he's the wynn in wynn and without him? >> it's a big, big hole. that's why the stock went down 10%. neil: associated with it. >> wynn, it's the signature, his own signature that is what makes the company-- is the company's icon. so-- >> does it have any reverberati reverberating effect beyond his company? didn't look like it did. >> vegas, watch an old version of the godfather, i'm sure you've memorized by now. neil: that's fine. >> no apersians, vegas has been

a place for show girls, all kinds of stuff going on, most of which, if not illegal, totally improper in other parts of the united states. one had as to assume that steve wynn is not the only executive in legislation that's going to be called. as we saw with the entertainment industry after weinstein, et cetera, you not only hear stories of one individual, but then other individuals come into the mix so i imagine a lot of people in las vegas are nervous right now. neil: thank you, david asman and again, look, steve wynn says there's nothing to this and the fallout of a very, very nasty divorce case that has been getting almost tabloid, soap opera-like attention, if that's part of this, but the stock did tumble down 10% in one day. a little bit of news made here on rumors that the administration and some democrats are in kind of agreement on the basic tenets

of the daca deal that would call for building a wall and eventually get legal status for up to 1.8 million illegals, largely the children of illegals who got into this country. that doesn't necessarily fly with all republicans, for example, including this next one on the phone with us now, republican congressman from ohio. good to have you. you're not a fan of this, why not? >> well, i have concerns and my main focus is, we need to do what is consistent with the election of 2016. what i mean by that. the american people voted loud and clear, border security, stop the visa lottery and the focus of legislation and by the way, we'll deal with the daca folks. i want to see if what the president puts forward actually squares with that mandate that the voters sent in november of 16 so we're going to look at it. neil: so if he's talking about still the wall, although the definition of the wall seems to change by the day on both sides, and chuck schumer is

open to-- or reopen to funding something like that. >> right. neil: could you live with that, even though it would call for eventually legalization, citizenship for up to 1.8 million. >> like i said, i think a number of conservatives will have an issue with that, but graham durbin is looking at the number that the president is talking about, but do little on border security which is opposite of what people elected us to do. i always say we make this job too difficult. our job should be basic. what did we tell the american people what we were going to do? it was clear in the election, the focus would be securing the border and do things to make the country safe and adhering to the rule of law. let's make sure whatever legislation we come up with is closer to than than what graham durbin had and what the

chairman introduced in the house worked on congressman labrador and others, i know that's a good piece of legislation, that is consistent with what the american people sent us to accomplish. neil: a lot of your colleagues say they never get a consistent read from the president on this issue, that, in fact, it was his 180, lindsey graham said on the daca thing and seemed like an agreement that propelled this. so people are confused where the president stands. are you? >> no, i think the president-- this is an issue i think helped win him the nomination, certainly in the republican primary. neil: he's reversed position on daca if that's the case from the one he espoused in the election. >> and he's also been clear on border security wall, on chain migration and we need to make sure we do those things and the chain migration that's in the legislation actually is stopping this unlimited flow of folks who come once someone gets here. so, that to me is the key. if you look at the legislation, what i hope happens next week when we go back to section, we

put that in the house and put down the marker. and that we're not going to be far from that legislation. i'm convinced this is the case, the american people elected us to do that kind of legislation, not graham-durbin, not something that is light on security and big on amnesty. so, that's what we've got to focus on and i think if we pass that in the house, that will help set the tone for the debate and get us better legislation in the end. neil: there's going to be amnesty, it sounds like amnesty, whatever you want to call it, can you live with that? >> if we're going to live with the daca situation, and let's first ut put the security measures in place. we need asylum reform and get rid of the visa lottery. neil: i understand, i want to be clear because it sounds like part of that deal will also include eventual citizenship for up to 1.8 million, maybe more of

some of these folks. >> as long as it's a special pass and they have to get to the back of the line and adhere to the rule of law, most are okay with that, but not if we don't get the border security that we need. neil: thank you very much. all right, the president, he's going to have another big speech before the nation, the state of the union and much like his inauguration, some opted not to go at all. a lot of democrats say he's a racist and not attending and i want you to meet the democrat who says, you know what? you've got to grow up. ng somem meeting mr. adderley. it's a calling to not only everybody in this neighborhood in miami, but to the nation how great we are. and how great we can be. ♪ ♪ i'll stand by you. ♪ i'll stand by you. ♪ and i'll never desert you. ♪ i'll stand by you.

>> all right. they're beginning some protests on capitol hill that they had been promised and we'll get to that in a second here. nothing of the magnitude or number last week or certainly on the president's inauguration day. you might recall on inauguration day a number of very prominent democrats opted not to attend and now some of the folks you see here, some of the images

here, representative maxine waters and some others opted not to give the address. and i think maxine waters' case she's giving a separate response separate from representative kennedy. i want the lay of the land on this and whether they're going too far. emanuel cleaver join us and takes a look at this and says, everyone, if i'm getting the gist of what you're saying, congressman, everyone's got to take a chill pill here, right? >> well, absolutely. you know, section 2 article 3 says, and i'm paraphrasing, from time to time the president of the united states must give a report to congress on the state of the union. so, as a member of the house of representatives, the president's going to issue a report. i'm going to go there and receive the report. i am not at all pleased with some of the things that the president has said about places

from which my ancestors came or what he said about frederica wilson, a potpourri of things, but in the rubble that's washington d.c., i have to remember who i am. so this is not about donald trump, this is about me. i'm a member of the house. the president is coming to the house to issue a report and i'm going to be there. neil: many of your colleagues are not. some of them are saying given the comments he made about the s-hole countries and all that, that he's a racist. do you think that donald trump is a racist? >> well, you know, i'm hesitant to use that term, although i've got to say donald trump seems to always go back to this issue with something he says or something he does. and you know, i don't think it bothers him that, in fact, as some in washington believe that he actually wants that word to be-- the racist term to be thrown in

because he thinks it strengthens him with a section of his base, but i don't know-- i do know if a racist is a person who constantly utters comments that are racially insensitive, that something is wrong with him and it's based on race. neil: so, when the president talks about african-american unemployment the lowest in recorded history, and the improvements he's made for african-americans and has said during the campaign, pointing to african-americans and what the hell have you got to lose, democrats have done nothing for you, at least i'll do something for you, you say what? >> i say that the president should start out by doing a couple of things and i would-- even the standards of many republicans, this is the least diverse white house staff in recent times. certainly, it doesn't even come close to george w. bush and or

his father. but the thing, neil, and you know, he's not going to do this and you and i have talked about this before, i would never-- i would never say to them don't apologize no matter what. if the president came out and said look, i've said things and all of us had and i want to deal what this and apologize to the people i've insulted and i'll watch my language in the future, my goodness, man, all of a sudden, there are going some people who say, i better hold up on some of the accusations i've been levelling at this president. i don't think he'll do it. and it bothers me that he won't. but, you know, when somebody shows you their colors that's not the time to become color blind. neil: all right. let me ask you, the protests are starting out in washington d.c. i think most of them, congressmen are about the tax cuts and many in your party have called the bonuses that

companies are giving out before the individual rates kick in chump change or insulting crumbs. but a thousand bucks still appears to be a good deal of money. the companies don't have to do that. so is it a mistake the way they characterize it? do they sound out of touch? >> well, i think, yeah, i don't think we need to dismiss people who are getting a thousand dollars. the issue that i think we're-- and frankly, you and i talked about this months ago, i think the corporate tax rate appropriately was reduced. i have no problem with that. i think the issue here is that when you look at the benefactors of this tax bill, it leans so heavily toward the wealthy that it is a turnoff to many people, but that turnoff shouldn't cause us to say to people getting a thousand-- >> the turnoff, congressman, this seems to be getting more popular every day. the latest poll, 10 point swing

in support for it. whatever is going on here, i guess what i h'd ask, is nancy pelosi or some of the leadership characterizing it the way they are and if democrats take the house in the fall, would you support her for speaker? >> neil, you're asking real tough questions. this is not fair. i think, you know, i'll be very candid, if the democrats win back the house, it will be infinitely more difficult for people to say, all right, we just won the house, kick nancy pelosi out. i can't see that happening. you know, now, i don't think that -- you know, that the leader is planning on trying to be around, you know, for 15 more years. i don't think she has remotely thought about that so-- >> well, i think she's thinking for at least another congress, at least another term. i don't want to embarrass you,

but knowing how you feel about the position some in the party have taken, would you support her to be your leader? >> it would be difficult for me not to vote for her if the democrats won the house back. neil: fair enough. >> i'm not trying to be extremely evasive, just a tiny bit evasive. neil: remember, you're a reverend, you've got to watch yourself. [laughter] >> thank you for joining me on my new show, honored to have you. coneman cleaver from the beautiful state of missouri. and whatever your politics, the dilemma seems to be how you treat this, but what if i told you that underneath the tax cuts is a big housing question, whether they are actually going to hurt housing. whether you're on the left or right, this is a story you're not hearing. maybe you should after this. and the wolf huffed and puffed...

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>> if you're not going to pay for the tax cut, if you're just going to borrow the $3 trillion it will take to pay for it, then it is perfectly appropriate-- >> you guys never paid for all the spending you did. you guys never paid for the spending you did. that's not correct. neil: you were not worried about that then and you're worried about americans getting tax relief now. did the debt go up? yes, it did. >> at the time i told you perfectly well, we were worried about how to get the deficit down after we got out of recession, which we did. neil: we have two different memories of this. all right. the fallout from that, i don't like the people who send me nasty e-mails and say something about my weight.

i'd rather you slip over to msnbc and-- we have the economics svengali, a master in all of our minds, steve forbes. steve, my issue with austan, whom i have great respect, you pick and choose when debt matters. he might have during the buildup of that debt that i referred to after the meltdown and we needed to spend and i understand that, but to say that it's more than an issue of tax cuts, 1 1/2 trillion over ten years than a debt that balooned 10 trillion over ten years seems disingenuous. >> as you say, you pick and choose. if the economy is doing well, which it is now, the camp hit on that, trump on that and hit on something else, hit on the debt. what they don't realize, that doesn't mean anything to people. how am i doing, are my job prospects doing better?

are things moving in the right direction in a generation? if you want to deal with washington finances you can only deal with it with the booming economy, the only time we pay down the debt is when the economy is truly booming. neil: and the jury is out to that, austan's point. maybe it won't boom, maybe it will. he is saying that he has serious doubts. we're hearing from the imf that they think it will. they could be wrong, but it's fair to say, given the companies that announce what they have that they could have a pay it forward kind of an impact and generate a lot. >> that's what we're seeing thus far and it's amazing how hated it's been that companies are paying workers more money and giving bonuses. neil: the argument is they could afford to do more, maybe they can, but maybe they don't have to. >> they haven't realized the berths from the tax cut yet. there's a large part of the population that's against goodwill that's getting started. more than 3 million are getting a bonus alone, that doesn't

include additions to pensions or the minimum wage increases. neil: right. >> so we're talking about millions and millions of people, you know. neil: david, what do you think? >> austan referenced the recession, that the obama administration came into. absolutely true. it was a deep recession, but it was the first time that an administration, in my lifetime, dealing with recession, dealt with it by raising taxes and putting in more regulations. when you're stuck with a recession, which a lot of presidents are stuck with and thankfully president trump wasn't stuck with one, but you lower tax rates and lower regulations to stimulate the economy as steve was saying. they did exactly the opposite and that's why the recovery really never happened. i mean, yes, we added more money to the stock market, we added more workers to the job market, but it was nothing compared to what it should have been. that's why we never grew over 3% in eight years of the obama administration. neil: but we did grow and the bull market. >> small, small. neil: readily agree with that and steve, it's fair to say that

this bull market did begin with barack obama, get eight of nine years of credit if they want to do that. i will say to david's point, a play off something that trump said trying to help african-americans, what hell have you got to loose going to tax cuts and waiting to see if they pan out? because everything else has produced relatively paltry growth. what do you think? >> that's true. and in terms of what they call the labor force participation rate, millions of people dropped out of the work force during the obama years and the recovery never picked up steam. so, yes, the market did well. but remember, markets are about big companies and what with as shocking in the last generation was how we really fell down on creating new small businesses. that's how you get the big businesses of tomorrow. that's how you get the innovation. neil: do you think that's what's behind the stock market advance. it's virtually uninterrupted. i think it was a record yesterday under-- >> close to 100. neil: so i'm looking at that and even lauren, you can help me

out. do the people you talk to, whatever justification this rally that picked up steam on steroids here over the last year, is running too far, too fast, they worry about it? >> and it keeps going up. i think there's a caution out there. there's -- anxiety, i think, is too strong of a word, but everybody knows this nine-year bull market has to come to an end. neil: and slow down. >> a slow down, you're right, in the last nine years, 2011, 2012, the market took hits, you always have ups and downs. neil: it's a while. >> it's a good thing that people are worried. it's when people are not worried they get giddy and-- >> it's not giddy right now. >> no, it's not. neil: here is where it could get giddy and better than 33 billion bucks poured into mutual funds and stocks, it sounds giddy and do you worry about it? >> i do, it's not just the stock market, it's the housing market

as well. the housing market is one of the sector that's grown more than any other sector and a lot of people are wondering whether we'll have some kind of a bubble burst here. it is true and it's a great thing that most of the people out there have houses that are worth a lot more than they ever were before except when you go back to 2006, 2007 before that bubble burst. some people say that among the tax changes, getting rid of the deductions for state and local taxes, and minimizing how much you can deduct a mortgage on your house, might be the pinprick that bursts the housing bubble. so there are concerns beyond just the stock market. >> particularly on the coast and the fed hike. neil: in new jersey, my house is now worth a stuckey's franchise. >> and i don't know what county you're in, but we could see double digit decreases in the value of our home. neil: do you worry about that, steve, that's the rap that some of the big name invests are having. >> trouble this housing when you

have a weak economy. neil: and-- >> the government artificially boosting the housing market and we had that terrible crash. neil: you worry about that, housing taking a hit? the stocks take a hit? >> no, the only way they're going to take a real hit if the economy falters or the fed does something truly dumb, which could be doing, and there was no net influx into equity funds, mutual traded and people have been cautious for a long time. if we don't make mistake, the market has room to grow amazingly. neil: we're keeping an eye on the protests in washington. most, i believe, are over the tax cuts saying they're tilted toward the rich, and many of people bemoaning the thousand

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>> all right. these protests continue right now in washington d.c. outside the lincoln memorial. i believe they're expected to expand to other cities across the country. this one seems to be targeted at the inequality of the tax cuts that the rich are benefitting and not sharing. our billionaire investor john paul dejoria says it depends who you're talking to. your argument is that many are sharing and that's being missed. >> yes, sharing in big corporations as well as individuals and it's being missed. we see occasionally on the news where points out that people like, gave you the example yesterday of dow chemical is hiring people to train our

citizens of the united states, how to do jobs they can't fill, there are not a lot of qualified people. they're spending a lot of money putting together training centers to train thousands of new people and some of the biggest companies we have giving bonuses and raises and-- >> you know what they're saying, john, paul, yeah, we should be grateful for these crumbs, whatever we want to call it and they could afford to do more. >> they're not crumbs, are you kidding? i was a working man my whole life and before i was fortunate with paul mitchell to head up some years ago, to get an extra $1,000, that could buy stuff, television sets, dishwashers and all kinds with that money. that's big money, i don't know why people are taking for granted an extra thousand dollars, two thousand dollars, that's a lot of money in the workplace and of course, what do people do with that, in most cases they spend it which stimulates more jobs and more economy and more glo are--

glory for all people not just a few. neil: i want to get the read from john hickenlooper, governor of colorado a beautiful state. governor, i want to touch on the protests, but first the tax cuts and the feeling that they're crumbs. nancy pelosi has taken some heat for describing themhat way. how do you feel about this whole thing? >> well, i think so far we don't know. i mean, we're not going to know whether they're crumbs or not or how much of that tax cut that goes, a large part to wall street, how much that really does come down to people that are working every day 9:00 to 5:00. i think it's troubling in some ways that that, you know, going from 35% down to 21%, 30% of our, you know, publicly traded stocks are owned by either foreign corporations, foreign sovereign wealth funds, you know, individuals and companies and organizations outside of the

united states. so, you know, depending on how much it does influence the national debt, we gave a big tax break or bonus to foreigners and that's probably not what most americans, you know, intended. neil: you might be right on that when it all pans out, governor, and i do want to address other issues. but do you think it's a mistake in strategy for some in the democratic leadership to pooh-pooh the $1,000 thing or call it chump change or crumbs or in the scheme of things maybe they can't afford, these companies, to do more, but they can also not do this, so that's looking like they're out of touch? what do you think? >> well, i'm not going to criticize anybody in either party if i can avoid it. i think that the challenge, one challenge is $1,000 bonus which as you pointed out most people will spend, i think we should be thinking of wealth accumulation and how do we have income, like raises, that allow people to work their way out of, you know, in many cases they're living

hand to mouth. in colorado a large proportion of people if they had $1,000 emergency, they don't know where they'd get na. neil: a lot of companies are raising their wages. >> and i think that's good. we'll see. time is going to tell whether this does pass through to workers at all levels. neil: all right. separately, governor, i know this is originally what we had you booked for, i appreciate your patience on that. the department of justice is looking at so-called sanctuary cities, and some mayors were supposed to go to this, you know, meeting with the president earlier this week, opted not to. do you think that was a mistake? >> you know, our mayor in denver, michael hancock who i think is a terrific mayor and a remarkable person, he took real offense and he felt that the mayors in particular are being attacked for doing exactly what federal law says. and there are a number of court cases say that city, you know, city jails are not allowed to

detain people without a court order, and from my point of view, i don't think anybody should want our federal government detaining people without a court order, right? just telling willy nilly this person looks like they're there person or that person, that type of person, detain them. that's not a good idea. neil: here is where i'm confused, sir, help me with this. whatever your political views, i ask the republicans the same question, the former ice director, the guys running ice right now, if you have high suspicion, let's say in colorado, let's say in denver, that there is a potential murderer that city officials are hiding in their midst and federal officials share that with you and want to find him or her, can they? would you as governor of colorado have a problem with them coming in to find that person? >> well, what-- depends what you mean by coming in to find that person and again, we have rights in this country. neil: authorities sharing that information, we think it's this

guy? >> okay, i have no problem with that. neil: okay. >> i think if you were to talk to mayor hancock he'd say the same thing. we definitely want to get violent criminals arrested, tried, and if they're guilty, deported in those cases where it's appropriate. neil: let's say they don't know, let's say they don't have the same information that the federal officials have, so you don't think they're being honest about it, so you-- you're leery of letting them in. what do you say? >> i think if the federal government has real facts, they should be able to get a court order and be able to get that person detained so we can find out whether they are guilty of what the suspicions are, but we shouldn't just willy nilly let the federal government decide, detain this person, detain that person. that's where you get into trouble. i think that everybody should be very concerned about that. neil: while i still have you, a number of prominent democrats, including john lewis, maxine waters, frederica wilson are

opting not to go to the president's state of the union address. what do you feel about that? >> people feel they've been unfairly maligned and attacked and there's a lot of personal animosity right now, especially with people in congress and the president. well, actually people all over the country, and that's an individual decision that everyone's going to make, i think. neil: in your case, you're getting a lot of buzz about 2020, some want to run you for president and some say you're kicking the national political tires, are you interested? >> i'm focusing on, i've got a year left, less than a year and we've got work force training and apprenticeships we're working on and education changes. i think we've got economic development and i plan on focusing on completely on that. neil: everyone thinking of running for president has an answer like that. so does that mean you're interested? [laughter] >> well, certainly when people ask, i discuss it, but we're a long way from getting to real

hard-core discussions. neil: i thought i'd get you in a weak moment, governor, and you might say something. nice to have you. >> congratulations on the new show. neil: thank you, we're honored to have you. a lot of back and forth on the scene and the other is whether this back and forth on being fair with tax cuts means that we can at least take the politics out of them. especially if it's money. money is money, after this. hold together. a little to the left. 1, 2, 3, push! easy! easy! easy! (horn honking) alright! alright! we've all got places to go! we've all got places to go! washington crossing the delaware turnpike? surprising. what's not surprising? how much money sean saved by switching to geico. big man with a horn. fifteen minutes could save you

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>> all right. you just heard the colorado governor on this whole sanctuary city thing and this is mopping some -- among the issues that people are protesting, that they don't like the trend or tone of this administration, and prompting some democrats not to attend the state of the union address by

the president tuesday night. that's an issue. what is not for ben stein thinking this is a nonissue, what a the lot of these jurisdictions are doing, responding to the federal government wanting to crack down on the fact that they are sanctuary cities. there are a lot of them, nine of the ones targeted are in the state of california and doesn't ben stein know, a noted economist, actor, you name it, the guy is a genius, ben, the governor is saying essentially, i don't want to mischaracterize him, much ado about nothing. federal government think we're violating the law and we're not, they are going far beyond the law, what do you think. >> it's clear-cut, unequivocal under the constitution of the united states of america, that the federal government has control over immigration policy. that's not questionable. the most out of there, out of the woods, backwoods hillbilly nobody knows the constitution says that the federal government is in charge of immigration.

and when these sanctuary cities take on the idea that they are in charge and the federal government cannot reach in there and get out, criminals get out. if they've come here illegally, by definition they're criminals, i go back to something you and i discussed neil, it's always new and important, businesses like the united states before the civil war, we have a number of jurisdictions in the united states that are simply saying, we-- thumb our nose, we give our middle finger to the federal government, we are basically seceding. and basically large part of california and most of california under jerry brown is seceding from the union. and parts of new york seceding and this is not right and part of the constitution. neil: they say we're not violating anything. we're not shielding from federal officials, they have a warrant have at it. what do you think.

>> i think they're lying. if they really were not sanctuary cities, they would let people out. they would let people out to be taken in by ice and to be deported. why on earth would they even for a moment stop the federal government from taking people who are known to be criminals and sending them back across the border? what is that except for the democratic party want today bring in a big chunk of democrat voters. look, in california we have this incredible idea, insane idea from our insane governor, jerry brown, and by the way, i like him, but he's insane, but i like a lot of insane people, but he's insane. he says he wants illegal aliens to be able to vote. that's crazy. that's just crazy. neil: when they have a license they can. now, how do you see there's a distinction between a lot of these folks and dreamers. there's a talk of a deal in the works where the president will eventually pave the way to citizenship for the so-called dreamers. >> and that's fine with me. fine with me. neil: art of the deal would also

mean a wall or something like it, so, both sides would appear to bend, is an agreement like that -- i'm simplifying it, that's what they seem to be kicking around with it. what does ben stein think about that. >> ben stein thinks that it's fine, put up a wall they're strong and agile people. let's have the wall and let's have a path to citizenship, let's have them both. neil: all right. ben stein, good seeing you, thank you very much. >> good bless you, sir. neil: and good time having charlie gasperino, coming up he has shcuttle scuttle butt on th influencing it. he's also a volunteer firefighter. (low-pitched yelling) but when it comes to mortgages, he's... less confident.

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>> all right. $5 million for a spot to advertise for the super bowl, all sold out. everybody is anticipating super ratings. of course, this has been an off year for the nfl, hasn't it? charlie gasperino on what could be a tough one. what are you hearing? >> well, the advertisers and sponsors are scared to death of this sort of scenario appearing, that on the eve of the super bowl, that donald trump goes out with a tweet that either-- that repoliticizes the national anthem and what the players have been doing, taking the one knee, which has unnerved, drove-- driven crazy the average nfl fan, so much so that during the time when this one-knee controversy was going, one of the major sponsors, pepsico was getting inundated by e-mails and telephone calls nonstop they should pull their sponsorship from the nfl. companies hate hearing that.

now, that storm has passed largely, pepsico did not suffer a major decline in revenues from, you know, because people boycotting its products or anything like that, but they hate that controversy and what pepsico and all of these other companies are worrying about is trump reigniting that by taking advantage of this. let's be clear here. the nfl, ratings for the nfl are down two years in a row something like 9%, 9 1/2% this year yet, the super bowl is still a pretty big deal. i mean, it's one of the -- there's going to be gazillions of eyeballs on it, the reason why companies pay up for advertising. it's an event. that event can be exploited. they're worried that donald trump is going to exploit that event and here is another thing interesting. if you notice donald trump's friend vince mcmahon of wwe has started his own football league. neil: yeah. >> and this football league, i think it's called xfl, mcmahon demands, makes it a rule, that the players must stand during the anthem.

neil: that's right, no kneel zone. >> i can see donald throwing him a huge bone, boycott the super bowl and watch xfl at least their players care about the country and resonates with the football fan. the demographic is pretty much keyed in all the way down. neil: that's great, i'm fascinated. [laughter] >> i'm sorry, i barely understand the history you're talking about. you've heard the protests and and the taxes and nancy pelosi saying it's chump change and they're getting themselves in a corner here making them sound elitist. i wonder if the protests are jibing with the americans hearing about bonuses who are looking forward to relief in their paychecks, maybe it's not appreciated yet, but what, your thoughts?

>> real quick. >> you know, listen, i can just tell you this, president trump's approval ratings which were horrible, are a lot less horrible right now. and there's a reason he's getting credit for this because the economy and those checks are going to average americans. neil: that's not what they're saying in these protests. that's not what they're saying. >> yeah with you-- >> they're in their own little world? >> and there were tons of protests in the '70s, and ben stein can tell you, and richard nixon got elected and these are lefties, what do you expect them to do? they're put on earth to protest. neil: all right, well, everyone is free to do what they want to do as are you, my friend. thank you very, very much. >> anytime. neil: from his safe confines in connecticut. charlie cast perino, all right. we'll cover the state of the union address and we'll see the same folks who are protesting and don't like it, and when the

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>> a brand new tweet from president trump today slamming what he calls catch and release, for people crossing into the u.s. illegally. and tweet, quote, we very badly need a wall. we've got more from the white house. leland: and brand new details on those found text messages between two fbi agents working on the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. gillian: and new political fallout here in washington over the steve wynn sexual misconduct scandal in las vegas. ♪ >> welcome to america's news headquarters from in