size of like a walmart super store and bunk beds. >> melissa: okay. chad, we are going to interrupt you for a second and wrap up for this hour. thank you so much for joining us. we are going to have continuing coverage without question. >> jon: outnumbered starts right now. ♪ >> harris: we will pick up our continuing coverage now of the train crash that's happened in virginia. just outside of charlottesville. and we do know that there are members of the republican party who are on their way to a g.o.p. retreat in west virginia. we are told that there are minor injuries, just some bumps and bruises and whatnot on the train for the most part. the worst of the injuries that we are hearing happened to a driver of a dump truck that apparently was on the tracks when this train was coming in. we have got congressman mark walker on the phone with us now. and apparently was on the train at the time. can you talk with us now? >> yes, i can. i am currently on the train, yes.

> >> harris: all right. tell me about what happened that you know of and how you are doing. >> it looks like we where 10 to 15 miles east of charlottesville when we had a direct impact. it wasn't just a clip. it was a force. people that were in the aisle went down to the ground. smaller injuries as you said on the bumps and scrapes. we have dr. larry buoyshon and dr. marshall attending to those. three people leaning out the window. three large dump truck, three people on that. one, speculate looks like one didn't make it another bad injury and i don't know about the third. >> harris: all right. what are you being told right now just in terms of who is on the train? i'm hearing aides, spouses. it was more than the members of your party going to the retreat. >> that's correct. we have got several members of our leadership, including speaker ryan, who is just a few seats up ahead of me.

we do have spouses. this is our once a year annual retreat that both house senators come together to come together to plan for the 2018 year. especially coming off the state of the union speech last night. it's a retreat that lasts about two days. we were in philadelphia last year. we were going to green burrow in west virginia this year. obviously, we don't know what those plans are. don't even know if the train is operable at this point. >> harris: congressman walker, we are able to see through social media, mostly, pictures just outside the train. i don't know if you are near a window right now, but there is a lot on the ground. there is that dump truck that you yourself described for us as being long, large and white dump truck and a lot on the ground. >> right. >> harris: what can you tell us that you see? >> well, let me see, i will take a look real quick here. and right outside the door i'm about four cars down from that truck, i don't know we have several helicopters in the air. lots of armed security.

just making sure that this was strictly accidental. there was no nefarious behavior. we don't think that's the case. but, at this point we certainly don't have any idea of plans. there is probably, my guess would be, somewhere between 250 to 300 people actually on the train. maybe 200 to 250. >> harris: um-huh. >> mostly house and senate members with spouses and staff as well. >> harris: that's a lot of people. >> sandra: congressman walker thanks so much for getting on the phone obviously. this is moments after this happened. we are told it happened 11:20 eastern time actual collision with that truck. we are also told, fox news has confirmed that law enforcement officials, local law enforcement officials are on the ground investigating this already. can you just tell us a little bit about the actual act and what you felt? >> well, it was definitely a very strong impact. obviously a long train hitting a truck, first time i have been in any kind of

train collision. but it was like when you are in your car and you run into something just for a second, there was the inertia where people kept moving forward. just the look that everybody's face we knew immediately something had happened. but and then one lady actually said she saw one of the bodies on the ground flying from the impact of the truck. certainly our prayers and thoughts are with those people. as far as getting to retreat, loss of life any time that's a tragedy. >> congressman, we want to jump in because we confirmed the one fatality in this incident. we are obviously told that the driver of this train, the train engineer was not in good condition when this happened. by the way, the location of this collision is crozet. as you mentioned, it's about 12 miles west of charlottesville. so one fatal in this accident that's just been

confirm by fox news. >> harris: let me step in with fatality, we know there was a body on the ground outside. and you were just telling us that that was somewhat in your purview that you could see that after that dump truck had been hit, there was somebody outside. we are able to -- you just took a picture for us, and i was able to download that now and i can look at it. so i can now see your perspective, congressman walker because you said you are about four cars back from the impact. >> right. correct. >> harris: there we go. that's up on the screen. that's a little bit different vantage point there are choppers in the air you said to make sure that this was purely accidental and nothing nefarious. are you being told anything by authorities right now? >> yeah. we are being told that everything that they understand the way they are seeing it is that it was just somebody that looked like they were trying to beat the train across the tracks as we have other times in situations. sadly, that was a poor decision. and unfortunately for this loss of life and maybe a

couple others that are badly injured, certainly our hearts and thoughts and prayers go out to whatever families that they may represent. >> harris: wow. well, we wish you the best. we, again, are thankful for your perspective on this and shooting us a picture, too. because that becomes part of our reporting. and it is on the screen now congressman walker, we are glad that you and others are reportedly okay. we report that one fatality. not sure where that came from. you describe the impact as being direct against that dump truck that was on the tracks and saw someone outside of that. we do know that the driver of the dump truck was in pretty critical condition as well. we appreciate your time again. thank you and stay safe. >> sandra: many thanks to congressman mark walk iron the train there likely hear some more voices in the coming minutes and hours. senator rand paul is on the crouch with ucouch with us toda. we want to bring new to react. this is a train filled with your colleagues and you are a doctor as well. >> yeah. what a tragedy. i'm glad nobody on the train has been hurt.

but it sounds like there are going to be some serious injuries, you know, particularly from those in the front of the train or those on the truck. i know congressman walker very well. he and i play on the baseball team together. we have a lot of shared experiences from that tragedy. but i'm hopeful that, you know, there won't be any more fatalities. >> have you heard from any of your. >> they took my phone when i came on here. no phone on the set. >> harris: next time you bring it put it on airport mode or airplane mode as they say. you heard about two doctors that congressman walker was describing and they were actually attending some people who had minor injuries, so, is that the norm? i'm curious to know, too it seems like a lot of members of one party in one location. are there rules about that sort of thing. >> no, not that i know of. i do know as a physician myself it's not uncommon that i'm on the plane and someone faints or has an episode. even an opthamologist who primarily does eye surgery we get called to see people

on the plane on trains, et cetera. it's nice having physicians around who can have a cool perspective, level headed perspective. >> sandra: why weren't you on the train? >> you weren't supposed to ask that kennedy. i'm playing hooky. i promised my wife i would take her to see hamilton tonight. it only took us three years to get up here to see it but she is excited to see it, so we are playing hooky. >> sandra: can you tell us a little bit about this retreat to which members of congress were going right now and making their way there attempting to at least? >> typically both parties have a retreat in january. it's sort of where they regroup. they relax a little bit. but they hear from party leaders on sort of what are our goals for the year? what are things we are going to try to get accomplished? this is a common thing. it happens every year. >> sandra: we want to bring in congressman pete sessions. he was able to get on the phone and call into our control room right now. is he a republican from texas. is he also on that train. congressman, are you okay? >> yes, we are. we were traveling probably

at, i would guess, 70 miles per hour. and we're probably in the fifth car back. there was no derailment. but there was what i would call an 18-wheeler on the tracks. evidently one of the persons in that cab did not survive one is in critical condition. but the members of congress probably every single one of them one way or another hit probably the seat -- there are no seat belts and i'm not suggesting there should be. >> sandra: what can you see from where you are sitting? did you see anything before the accident? >> no. no. there was nothing. but once again, there was probably three or four cars in the engine ahead of us. what we can see now and there are pictures of the internet of the truck that was hit. it looked like it was compacted trash, like corrugated stuff all wrapped together. but there are now probably

25 emergency vehicles here. we have had several members who did need medical attention. and we are moving forward. we just checked each other. we immediately checked each other. we knew what happened immediately. we knew there was a problem the train probably went 100 yards and came to a stop. >> sandra: just to update anybody who may be listening now. we are talking to congressman pete sessions. he is on the train that collided with what you are describing as 18-wheeler. it's been described as dump truck or garbage truck. you are suggesting you were traveling about 70 miles per hour at the time on your way to the retreat. a combination of members of congress on that train as well as regular passengers on an amtrak train. crozet, about 12 miles west of charlottesville this happening. are any of your -- any of the passengers around you, any of your colleagues what is everybody talking about?

it sounds like you are saying most people sitting around you are okay, congressman. >> yes. i think we are closer to 40 miles west and i think that there are probably, without any question, probably 15 or 20 people that have needed medical attention are receiving it. the local fire department is here, first responders. but this was, without question, a big wreck. and one which i don't know that anybody else is on the train but i know probably 200 members of congress and senators are on the train also that was headed to our distinctiodestination in west virginia. >> harris: congressman, it's harris here. i'm working all of my devices and sources here i understand that congressman steve knight's wife is a nurse there are two capitol doctors and g.o.p. docs

cassidy and winthrop on board. are you aware of the types of injuries that they are attending to? apparently they are hands onto the injured right now. >> yes. we had one member, a gentleman from tennessee who probably, i don't know that he fractured his ankle, but he has at least a terrible sprain. chuck fleischmann. and he is here with us. and he is fine. but he was standing up at the time it occurred. i do -- i would confirm to you that many people took a hard hit to the head. so i would envision that probably concussion protocol that is being at worse. concussion protocol is probably what they're checking on. there is nobody fell out, nobody hit a window. but we did hit the chairs in

front of us. >> harris: all right. as it turns out, we have a member of the senate and a doctor as it turns out here on set with us. senator rand paul is here. and i really want you to talk to each other, if you can. i'm sure you have some questions. >> i can't. i can't. >> harris: here those people with head injuries. would you speak to congressman sessions? >> one of the concerns would be whether anybody lost consciousness with a head injury, whether anybody is on blood thinners or minor head injuries sometimes can be much more significant than you think. stumble and a fall for someone who is on significant blood thinners can be a problem. all of them will have to be evaluated anybody with altered consciousness will have to be evaluated. the simple likelihood is if you didn't lose consciousness most people will be fine even with a blow to the head. >> harris: congressman, were you near anybody that hit their heads? did you in fact get injured in any way? >> well, one of the staff members behind me hit the back of my seat and he is.

[broken audio] doctor knows every single one of these people. he is one of our favorites. i mean, not every -- we aren't close to every senator but we are close to rand paul. rand paul knows the circumstances well. i don't think there's anything grave of an injury. i think what i would suggest to you it's sore, soreness, neck, back, arms, shoulders, the stress of simply hitting something moving 70 miles per hour. yes, karen my wife is with me. she is fine. i'm fine. >> harris: so glad you are okay. >> once again, two people in this car that i am in did need medical attention. >> sandra: so, congressman, what is happening on your train? i would assume you are still sitting on the train car right now. is that the case? >> well, i don't need to tell you that obviously we

froze in place. nobody knew whether this was something that could be coordinated or just an accident that happened. we were all conscious, obviously, of safety matters. it does not appear that there is anything other than the talk. >> sandra: have medical professionals boarded the train to come check on injuries? >> yes, they have. yes, they have. and we have what i would call e.m.s., firefighter type personnel and we have house physicians. there are two or three of them on board. and we have physicians who are members of congress, dr. larry bushon as dr. paul would know is an outstanding physician. we have dr. phil roe from tennessee who is a larry magnanimous man but a physician. and so.

>> harris: from the pictures that we and our viewers can see right now from outside the train and you may actually not have this vantage point because you are inside the train, there is some movement outside, and it looks like people have been brought out. i mean, these don't -- all of them do not look like they are officially there to help out. some of these look like potentially they may be passengers. i'm curious to know if you are being given any sort of timetable as to when you can deboard or what that plan may look like. >> well, i'm going to guess here. simply guess. probably our opportunity to move on buses would probably be several hours away. so, somebody is having to figure something out there. moving a couple hundred people back in buses and getting back on board. i don't know that we're on the route that would be -- you are right. it's a logistics issue right

now. >> harris: definitely. we just saw, senator, i don't know if you caught this, and congressman sessions, we're going to describe this to our viewers until we can pop that picture back up. but it's the front of the train. and that really speaks to that direct impact that we have heard from congressman mark walker just moments ago. and what you say you felt on board that train, congressman sessions. could you revisit for us because people tend to tune in and out and now they are on board here at the noon hour and they realize something has happened. tell us again what you felt when this amtrak train hit that dump truck. >> well, it was a double hit, meaning that we had something and then maybe two seconds later a second hit back. so it was a hit and everybody lurched forward, hit the seat in front of them or fell out of their chair and then immediately in two seconds another hit. we are kind of all feeling

our head right now and our neck and back. how did i do that? what did i do? it happened so fast but it was a double hit. >> sandra: as you were describing, congressman, you felt like you were going about 70 miles per hour at the time of the collision. a couple things that we can confirm at this point our producers on capitol hill are trying to quickly confirm who was on the train and who was not as far as members of congress are concerned. one of our reporters, mike emanuel is confirming that house republican whip steve scalise was not on the train. he drove separately. so he is fine, we are told. aides to majority leader mitch mcconnell say he was not on the train. he drove separately we are told. >> we are starting to get a good idea who was on the train and who was not. congressman pete sessions republican from congressman on that train. you were so kind to call us. happy to hear you are doing okay. it sounds like a lot of your colleagues around you are doing okay. >> yes, yes, yes. >> sandra: we'll continue to

check in. thank you, congressman. >> you bet. >> sandra: we have senator rand paul on the couch. you have been watching this. your thoughts? >> i think expression of sympathy for those who are involved with this, and then the hope that the injuries and fatalities don't rise from this. but, you know, you can see the front of the train and imagine 70 miles per hour coming to zero miles per hour in the space of a second or two. it sounds like maybe having two impacts. it may have been the first impact the truck thrown up and then second impact hitting the truck. you can imagine what it would have been like in the truck and seeing any survivors in the truck would be amazing. but, no, and then i guess over time people will have to investigate these things and figure out, you know, are there sensors on the train that engineers should know there is a truck. did it happen in an instant? >> harris: such a great question. considering right at this hour, sandra, we have

covered our train incidents. lunch hour on the east coast. there is lots of activity. it is unbelievable. many of them do involve things on the tracks. so what you are talking about is kind of an elevated sense of awareness either through our equipment or some kind of indication that you have got something coming up. because at 70 miles per hour, you just don't have a lot of stop time. >> yeah. you probably have to start stopping a half a mile in advance of that if the truck were stalled there and several minutes that's obviously a problem. if just pulled on the tracks and instantaneous. >> harris: by the way so glad you are here to get your perspective. >> sandra: speaker of the house paul ryan was on the train. that has been confirmed. we are told he is fine as we get to hear one by one. >> harris: we have been getting some pictures in from the lawmaker who is about to join us now. jeff den aninim. you are on by phone with us. can you give us the very latest that you are being told, congressman, about what's next for all of you on board that train? >> sure, yeah.

i'm chair of the rail pipeline subcommittee. i'm here with folks from amtrak. we surveyed the damage. walked around the train. the pictures that i sent you earlier were from the engine that actually hit the truck it has derailed. the engine has the first three wheels off of the track. we have to lift that back on the track later. but currently we have an engine on the back of the train that was with us. that engine is going to pull us back into the station and we have to got rest of the journey by bus. >> harris: in terms of the injuries from what we're being told, congressman sessions was just on the line with us. a lot of people bumped their heads. what are you dealing with in terms of injuries right now? >> luckily, very minor injuries from the passengers on the train. there are 6 minor injuries on the train. there were three people in the truck. one of those is a fatal already. the others are air lifted

out and the truck is still here on the side of the tracks. >> sandra: congressman, we understanding from what you're telling us that you have been able to walk around and look at the damage. as we have you continue to assess the situation and what you are seeing on the ground there, the president has been made aware of this train crash. the white house tells us there saunders. is he in a meeting with his national security team. he is aware of what happened. also as we get updates as to who was on that train congressman sean duffy was on the train with his wife and 8 children. he has just tweet add moment ago, we're okay. but we're awaiting more details and praying for those who were in the truck. can you tell us a little bit more about what you saw and heard when this collision happened as we're told speeds up to 70 miles per hour at the time of the collision, congressman. >> yeah. definitely it was a very high speed collision. there was no braking that

was felt. we hit an immediate impact and went from 70 to zero very, very quickly. we were only a couple hundred yards from the great gate crossing where the truck was hit. so the back engineer is still right there where the truck is. >> harris: we know that many members were not on the train. we are getting notes from people just saying who is not there. we understand steve achilles chose to drive. representative lloyd smucker of pennsylvania went home to lancaster. we are starting to get those types of notes. but you say upwards of 200 people were there. we do know, congressman denham, that spouses and aides were on board and, of course, as we have just learned the family of sean and rachel duffy. >> a number of kids, you know, attend these. this is something where families come together. but a large number of members both house and senate. i just got done briefing the speaker on the damage to the

train as well as the injuries to people on the train and the truck as well. we're getting ready to pull out of here right now and head back to the previous station. >> sandra: thank you, congressman. >> harris: thank you very much for your time and for all of the pictures and the details thawivel able to give us. thank you very much. >> you got it. thank you very much. >> harris: absolutely. just to make a point of it because he did seem to have much more detail in meeting with transportation officials. he does sit on the transportation committee. but gave us some solid details on how many people were in the truck because we had two. he had three. one of them has perished. two people air lifted. don't know if those are the other two people on the truck. we do know the engineer on the train was injured. we don't know the extent of that person's injuries either. so he was able to nail some things down for us. you see quite a few people. look at your screen now to the left. this is a life picture from crozet, virginia. and you see quite a few people there surveying the damage of the truck. do you want to pass

something? >> g.o.p. chairman ronna mcdaniel says our hearts and prayer goes out to those. >> harris: katie pavlich on the couch today. another fabulous journalist has been watching twitter. this is from the rnc chair woman ronna mcdaniel praying for everyone involved in today's train accident in virginia. you know, everybody has their vantage point of pictures and whatnot, too. that's a way for us to scoop things up. katie, thank you very much. you know, kennedy, you and i have been on the couch many times when stuff like this has happened as well. you talk about the equipment and the infrastructure. what are your thoughts? i mean, we don't have details about the actual track line here. overall, i know you have talked with members of the nbc. have you donntsb. have you done work on this. >> interesting to see where this goes politically. interesting to see what senator paul thinks about this. components on big government spending on infrastructure who will say this just proves that we have to invest more money in safety

equipment and track overhaul and things like that. and then have you others who say perhaps there is so much bureaucracy involved that we can't possibly expect government-run. >> sandra: just to be clear there wasn't a derailment. >> that's true. people will always jockey for position when it comes for things like this just as they did after the tragedy in washington state. what i'm curious is how many people -- how many members of congress were on that train? and does it make you pause for a second and think perhaps that you should split up the carriage? >> every time i see another accident from government trains i wonder should the government be involved with running the trains. the safety record for amtrak is not that good. the economic record is abysmal. we spend billions and billions of dollars and ache tracks still loses mor amtrak. when drive down the street your car buzzes in your seat to tell you have gone over the line.

we have all kinds of great technology there no reason why any train in the modern world wouldn't have a sensor knowing something is on the track but also several of the recent amtrak accident suppose to go 30 miles per hour because the train curves like this and train will fall off if you are going more than 30. trains going 70 miles per hour around a 30 mile-per-hour curve. certainly we have the technology to have a train to slow down into a curve. >> harris: before we go much further down this road. make it clear we learned from a member of the transportation committee congressman denham he said the front part of the train did come off the tracks and that's why they are having to be towed or pulled. they will have to rejoin that train with the tracks. i wanted to make that point. >> sandra: not suggesting it was a derailment. he was saying it came off the tracks during the collision. further statement from the white house just coming. in we were told initially the president was made aware of the collision. now they are also saying senior administration officials are in regular contact with amtrak and state and local authorities.

this is per sarah sanders at the white house. our thoughts and prayers are with everyone that has been affected by this incident. that just coming in from the white house. >> harris: part of what i was just talking about they are doing now on the left side of your screen. they are looking at rejoining that train with the tracks. however that happened congressman denham was able to tell us that at least three of the wheels, i guess you call it. i know there is more than one wheel involved that had come off in order just to pull the train in order to where they need to get to. i want to get back to the human element of all of this though. there is a lot -- i almost just want to call you dr. paul at this point. there is a lot that goes on in these instances. you have heard about the panic that sessions was talking about. congressman sessions, that it isn't just the physical injury but you do have people. you have got people gently over the age of well whatever the number that would be, and there is a lot of stress in this sort of situation. he was talking about it. >> i think the other thing from a public figure's point of view is sometimes your family is hearing about this on the news.

so when i was at the baseball field and steven scalise was seriously injured matt injured bodies laying down trying to escape gunfire. i went to call my wife but my phone was in the dug out. i jumped in a car that was going by of a random person that turned out to be a staff on the hill as we were trying to escape. >> harris: thank the good lord for that as i call my wife she is not picking up because it's an unknown number. it was early in the morning. it was like 6:00 in the morning and sh screens all the phone calls that aren't family. so one of our neighbors came and knocked on the door and said he's not injured. can you imagine, particularly a gun shooting like that that you are hearing -- >> kennedy: details come in so slowly not only from that tragedy but from here how bad this could really be. and how grave this situation could be, how quickly it could escalate to something so incredibly serious and really a national crisis. and although there has been a tragedy and a loss of

life, it could have been as far as we know the details that we have so much worse. >> katie: when you talk about finding out on air the families. rachel campos duffy is part of our family. >> harris: we didn't know she was on that train. >> she actually talked about how she was going back to wisconsin to get her eight kids. they were going to this retreat this weekend. it was going to be a fun, family event with her husband who, of course, is a congressman. so, i didn't realize she was going to be on this train either. this was probably a very exciting day for her and her children. >> harris: sandra, have you got something. >> sandra: we want to go to congressman jason lewis republican. thank you for calling. in we are told that you have been injured in this collision. >> well, not severely i don't think. a little bit of a whiplash and maybe a tiny bit of a concussion. but i'm fine compared to what's happened tragically to the one truck driver and another, actually two. one i have been told expired and another seriously injured. one walked away.

there are lots of minor injuries on the train but we're doing okay. and everybody is handling it in the best way possible and a professional manner. >> sandra: we know there has been one fatality. we are hopeful you are telling us those around are you mostly okay and hopefully you get medical attention. have you seen a doctor yet on the train? >> the doctor has been through all the cars. they have done a great job. and again, primarily they are minor injuries. certainly mine are minor. but the shock of the collision was such that you weren't braced for it. and it was fairly severe. and that threw a lot of people's heads into the seats. a couple of people fell off. people that were in the aisle fell down. some minor injuries. as far as i know, i think most of them are just that and being taken care of. >> sandra: congressman, senator rand paul is on the couch with us right now. he would like to ask you a question. >> well, jason, i'm glad you're doing well and hopefully you won't wind up

with any serious injuries. i know from being involved in crashes in various other injuries that sometimes it gets worse the next day, so i'm hoping your next 24 hours won't be any worse than it is immediately. a lot of things show up. really, i think the only thing to be concerned with anybody that's had any head injuries who might be on blood thinners that a bump you may think you are okay. the doctors will be asking that question. many people are on blood thinners for irregular heart rates and many people over the age of 65 on blood thinners for one reason or another. hopefully the doctors will be taking that into account and i'm glad you are doing well. >> thanks, senator. good to hear your voice again. and certainly that question was being asked by a number of people before they were handing out the ibuprofen, those sorts of things. i think i will have a sore neck in the morning but i think i'm fine. >> harris: congressman lewis, i want to ask you about your comfort level right now. it doesn't look like there are too many broken items from the outside of the train in terms windows.

but it's chilly. it's cold down there just as it is here. i'm wondering about your comfort level and what's being done to accommodate all of you. 200 people on a train are a lot of people to keep comfortable. >> i think everybody's fine with that they turned the engines on here five minutes ago or. so so the cars are heated. we just are waiting to find out what the next step is with regard to the retreat and what's going to happen. you know, obviously, there is some concern when you have that many members in one spot, what was going on. but, pretty certain just a truck got stuck in between the stop signs on the track and next thing that happened was a real sad tragedy. >> harris: that's what you are hearing is that the truck got stuck? >> that's what we're hearing. stopped between the posts. the stop sign. somehow got in the middle between them and didn't move. it was really a sad state of affairs and unfortunate it happened. >> harris: could you see any

of that? this is the first that we are hearing of those types of details that the truck got stuck. >> well stopped, i'm not certain that it was stuck. i think it was waiting for the signs to lift up. that's what we have heard anyway. again, it's all hearsay so take it for what it's worth. you could see it afterwards, once the train finally came to a stop. you could look out the window in the car that i'm in and see the overturned truck. it was a mess. it got hit pretty severely. not surprising there is a fatality. >> harris: take care of that head injury, congressman lewis from minnesota. thank you very much for sharing with us your perspective. >> thank you. >> harris: senator, it was great to actually get you two to talk to each other because you do ask those types of questions that we as lay people would ask, you in the medical field. so we know now on board they're asking the questions about blood thinners. and you said this is fairly common right now for a whole variety of reasons. >> yeah. if you talk to your parents or your grandparents, you will find that a lot of them are on significant blood thinners. and they save us from having

strokes or they prevent having strokes with irregular heart beat and a variety of other reasons. but they also if you have a bump to your head can be a significant injury. you can have a significant hemorrhage, even a life threatening hemorrhage from something that looks like a minor tap on the head it is important to know what medications people are on when judging whether a minor bump is just a minor bump or whether it could be something more -- >> sandra: senator, i'm going to jump in here because we have on the phone senator bill cassidy. not sure how long we can have you. but you are also a doctor as well. dr. bill cassidy republican from louisiana. you are on the train and we hear that you have been treating people on board. >> there are physicians on board who went and tended to on the train my wife and i got off the train because we figured the people on the truck were most likely the ones to be injured. when we got there, there was already several physicians from congressman who were out there. and so they were tending to

the airway, trying to establish an airway on one person. the person -- there is another man who appeared to be dead. and was confirmed to be dead. cpr was attempted and other things. when the emts showed up with equipment trying to revive. they were unsuccessful. i continued supporting role but others were taking the lead role. and the fellow who was severely injured. one of the congressman's wife anesthesiologist she attempted to establish an airway. and then she -- he was eventually placed on a board, put in an ambulance and transported. >> sandra: we are talking to senator bill cassidy from louisiana. you are a doctor and on board. senator, could you tell us what was your experience when this collision occurred, what you felt, saw, and heard? >> i wa tremendous trump. heard the noise, looked up and people who had been standing -- i didn't see

them standing but they are now on the ground. and people were checking them out. again, doctors on board immediately began to check out folks. and then as i described earlier, i and others got off the train. >> sandra: how quickly were you able to determine, senator, what had happened? >> well, the train was stopped and you heard a bump. you heard a noise. so you kind of knew it. you knew what happened without being told what happened. and then someone said we hit a truck. >> it was a very sudden jolt. it was obvious that we had hit something. >> hello? did i lose you? >> harris: is this an announcement being made right now? >> no, no, no. that's just somebody in the background speaking very loudly. >> harris: okay. all right. this is harris by the way. i have been curious all along, senator cassidy about how much information and how

it's being disseminated. you are in a unique position because you were able to deboard the plane. you were needed to tend to others. but there are many others and i'm looking now on twitter, representative martha mcsale, there are some who are tweeting from inside the train just to let people know that they're okay. i'm on the train that crashed but i'm okay. please join me in praying for the health of those that are injured. tell me what people are being told right now and what the timetable looks over an hour and curiosity sets in about what you are being told when you will be able to move. >> i'm told there are two engines on the train. one has derailed. that will be left. the other will move the cars away to the nearest town. i'm not sure which that is. again, the -- those that were injured in the truck are either deceased or have been transported to a hospital. i'm sure there will be an investigation. transportation board.

but that will be with the remaining rail. so, i'm told they have asked everybody to get back on board. >> harris: got it. >> they are moving pretty quickly. >> harris: all right. senator bill cassidy, they are asking you to board right now. >> oh, yes. everybody is back on. >> harris: okay. we want to go let do you that if you need to do that. we certainly appreciate your perspective on all of this. sandra, quick last word? >> sandra: to be sure, there is a lot more than 200 people on this train. you are talking hundreds of passengers of them. about 200 members of congress. this is affecting a lot of people right now, including our members of congress. senator rand paul is on the couch with us. >> harris: senator cas cassidy, thank you. >> thank you, harris. >> sandra: i would love if he can stay if he is able. i wanted to bring senator rand paul back in here. >> one of the things senator cassidy mentioned was develop an airway. doctors got off knowing there were significant

injuries. >> kennedy: how do you do that if you don't have a proper medical kit. >> that's a difficulty. as a physician or as an emergency technician you are taught the abcs of taking care of someone's airway, briteing, circulation. no one is going to survive and have circulation if they don't have airway. in a severe crushing injury or severe injury where there is a lot of blood. blood can obstruct the airway. if you have equipment, you suck the blood out of the way. if you have nothing else, if someone is unconscious and they are laying down, you try to elevate underneath the jaw to bring the jaw, the soft tissue and everything collapses back if you are unconscious with blood. you can stimulate that. can you also stimulate people who are unconscious to even breathe a little bit or to try to clear their own airway. sometimes can you physically, if there is something in theway, a tongue. >> kennedy: what about creating one? >> you occasionally see that on television. i can't imagine it happening. but there was a famous mash episode where someone take as big pen and makes an opening and inserts the plastic. could you do that?

a very skilled surgeon might be able to do that but having a knife and things to be able to cut the tissue. but really eminents come so fast in our country i can't imagine ever doing that unless you were like in the artic and you know the doctor was never coming. >> harris: one of your colleagues dr. roger marshall congressman from kansas, someone on his verified twitter account said dr. marshall performed cpr on the train conductor and helped the two people in the garbage truck now in the ambulance and he wrote they are badly injured. >> harris: there are incredible stories coming now from inside that train. and we let senator bill cassidy go so that he could actually get back on the train because he was telling us he needed to do that rather immediately. so now we are able to with everybody repositioned on that train talk with people from inside. you heard a member from our fox family here rachel campos duffy son board with her 8 children. she is the wife of congressman sean duffy. she now joins us from inside the train on the phone. rachel, you are with us? >> hi, harris, how are you guys? >> harris: we're okay. we're pretty worried about all of the hundreds of you.

and i understand that you saw or experienced something pretty harrowing. >> yeah. well, you know, i knew we hit something. you couldn't feel it as much like how awful it was inside the train. we are a big train. but immediately i ran up the hall because my son had been walking, our oldest son was walking our youngest. and i was worried that he might have you know, stumbled with the jerk. so as soon as i ran up, they were fine. but looked out the window and it was a terrible sight. pretty traumatic for me to see the two unfortunate drivers on the side of the road. it was pretty traumatic to me. i have been ejected from a car in a car accident, too. it was pretty emotional for me. what was most interesting is they didn't want to let us out of the car to help because capitol police and this train is highly secured could smell gas.

and they were afraid there could be an explosion and frankly it was so soon they didn't know -- i think there was some questions about what could -- what else could be out there. but, boy, we have some great congressman here. congressman mast and others saying i don't care. there is a guy on the side of the road. no you are not allowed to open the door. as soon as the left. the congressman, they were doctors went out to help. >> harris: i know have you your 8 children and we have heard from previous guests congressman who were with us by phone say there were quite a few people who are were traveling with their families. that is something you and sean often do. it looks like this is the kind of retreat and weekend where that sort of thing was going to be welcomed. did you see other families on board. >> yeah. all the kids are there. they were all coloring when this happened. kids are fine and unless you are looking out the window and could see exactly what devastation this train caused on this poor garbage

truck, you wouldn't have known. like i said thank god physicians on board and they were brave and busted open the door. help the injured. and someone was on i could see the cpr going and sadly one of them they lost and the other got into the ambulance fairly soon there was frustration we couldn't get out of the train, physicians couldn't get out. we are not permitted to because they were worried there could be an explosion. boy, they didn't care, thank god, and they got the door open. >> sandra: hey, rachel, it's san draft i'm so happy to hear you are okay and your kids are okay. if many don't know which many of them know, have you 8 children you and your husband were on "fox & friends" this morning on fox news channel together in washington. i can't imagine it must have been so scary for all of them. have you been given any further instruction what you

need to does passengers on that train? what are you they telling you to do with your family? there were medical firearm medical people coming down the hall. double-checking no passengers. no other passengers injured in our car. there was no one injured. what i'm hearing is we're, you know, they are trying to -- are they going to cancel the retreat? is there some other form of transportation will. >> i will tell you one thing that is concerning. my understanding with capitol police there shouldn't have been anybody crossing a road across. my understanding is they shut everything down so that we could go. for these kind of reasons. imagine garbage truck. could have been -- >> harris: that's what one of the congressman had said had you choppers flying ahead. i think it was congressman pete sessions, i might be wrong about that. one of the congressman we have spoken with today said that the reason had you so many choppers overhead was

to make sure that this was the accident as they are now investigating it as not officially to us but that's what people on the ground are telling us. versus anything nefarious happening. what you are saying is if the tracks are supposed to be clear, there should have been nothing on them. >> that's what comes to my mind. and it makes sense, right? you think about you had half of congress in this train. and their families. so that's -- as a mom, that's the first thing that comes to my mind why was that particular road that the truck was on that was crossing in front of us, why was it even open? now maybe it was closed and maybe that's why that incident happened. >> katie pavlich here. my question, i don't know if you can seat intersection where the truck is, it's clear that it's marked as a railroad. and we don't know if the truck was stopped or if it was stuck, but it was clearly in a marked intersection for that railway. can you describe the area around the train, around the intersection? are there homes nearby? is it more rural. >> yeah, yeah.

it looks like a suburban area, neighborhood. and neighbors came out immediately. i know there was a member of congress' wife who saw on the garbage truck there was a phone number. this is a garbage truck that, you know, on its side garbage everywhere. she had the wherewithal to call the garbage company who had no idea that their drivers had been injured. so, everyone was trying to do what they could to help. and, again, these physicians that busted open that door, god bless them, because we were all -- i was screaming that they should. and they did. and these congressman did the right thing, they busted open that door and went to help them. i don't blame the capitol police. i understand, too. there could have been an explosion with the gas. >> kennedy: rachel, it's kennedy. how many kids are on the train? >> i don't know. i'm sure we have the most. [laughter] >> harris: well isn't that always the case? [laughter] >> it's always the case. but, you know, they make

this -- they had crayons and coloring books for the kids. kids were having fun. my kids thought -- they were so excited to get on the train. they thought it was like harry potter. they don't get on a train like this often. to be honest everybody is fine. kids are fine. the tragedy is outside. >> katie: rachel is, a train a common way for members to get to these kind of retreats? or different form of travel? done it by bus. several times i have done it by train. capital and get us on secure bus and takes us to security is intense exactly the reason i told if you anything happens, it's half of congress and their family on this train. it looks like we are starting to move a little bit so that's a sign that maybe we're going to go to the next station here soon.

>> harris: rachel, senator cassidy told us once you are back on the train that's what they were looking to do to try to use that one engine that did not derail to get you guys int into a better position and on your way. just moments before we came to you that's what we had learned. rachel, you are a member of our family and members on board a member of our american family. but most immediately you sit on the couch here on outnumbered and we are so glad to know that you and your family are okay. give a big hug to all of those babies. you know march greet is one >> martha: geayou know march go. >> train is moving. >> her and sean's children are okay. quick update from our capitol hill producer on what happens now. he says g.o.p. leaders and congressional institute have consulted. they will run the train back to charlottesville and load the members on to a bus and then caravan them to west

virginia from there. of course, they are in route to this congressional retreat at the greenbrier, which is a stop on this amtrak train track. it actually stops at the resort at which they are expected to attend. >> harris: sandra, we are going to go right away to congressman chuck fleischmann from tennessee. is he on that moving train right now. it's been a little while but you are moving and what are they telling you? >> well, we are just going past the actual wreckage. we are going backwards right now. it's a horrific sight. i was actually standing, unfortunately, in the aisle and walking at the point of the impact and was thrown and fortunately congressman pete sessions saw that and attended to me right away. i really appreciated that so much. we are now backing up, heading back to charlottesville. but the actual site is horrible. there is garbage everywhere.

this train hit the truck and the truck is just mangled. but we are now as i say right in front of the impact site. >> harris: um-huh. >> the speed of the train, as i say, i was with my son, who was sitting down. he is fine because he was sitting down. unfortunately when i was up walking, and i got hit, or actually when the train made the impact, i was thrown forward. i still don't know how far i was thrown or where i landed. >> harris: wow. i was reading because our team took some notes from you as they were talking with you on the phone and we were getting ready to come live to you that you checked your ankle, your back, your neck. >> yes. >> harris: you tumbled. >> yes. i did. i'm actually a little bit nauseous now. i'm probably in shock. but, some of the other members are experiencing some whiplash. but as i say, physically right now, i'm looking out the window right at the

truck and it looks like it's in two parts. and it's a horrific site. the train is backed up and stopped right in front of where the actual impact took place. >> harris: we actually have a live look now at crozet, virginia. i can't say whether or not that's actually your car, but there is a car sitting right in front of the wreckage so it's potentially the one you are on. we did see it moving. we hopefully thought it was going forward. we have no way of knowing which direction is forward and back from our perspective all the way in new york. have you cleared up that issue. and now they have once again stopped as they work on that part of the train tracks that was involved in the accident. i have to think, congressman fleischmann just from being on trains that have hit stuff but kept going that sometimes the train track can suffer a little bit of damage and they want to make sure that they don't derail that train trying to pull it forward or backward or whichever direction they are going to try to pull it to get back to charlottesville. you have to make sure it's flush and you learn a lot when you go slowly a little

bit and stop it again. so we appreciate you telling us exactly what you are seeing. sandra? >> sandra: we have got senator rand paul on the couch. i want to get you back in here. amazing to hear firsthand account so quickly from the train. these are members of congress dialing into the control room. we are hearing from the virginia governor now. he has just tweeted this ralph northam virginia public safety agencies are coordinating with local first responders in response to today's train crash outside of charlottesville. not a whole lot of update there but to hear from the governor is important. >> i know congressman fleischmann well. also from the baseball team. he was there during the shooting. i know dr. roger marshall well who is doing cpr. he is from kansas and he was a pitcher on our baseball team. most of these house members i know very well from our baseball team. they mentioned earlier dr. marshall was doing cpr. one of the things viewers may not know about cpr, if yoyou have never performed it is it's increed dibbably tiring. few cpr, 10, 15, maybe 20

minutes. really sometimes you are worn out in six or seven minutes. >> oops enormous amount of effort. when you do it by hand often it's a tag team. somebody is doing cpr until they are drenched in sweat doing cpr and rotate to somebody knew when somebody is worn out doing cpr. >> sandra: brings us to a great point how many doctors we are learning are members of congress. >> quite a few. >> sandra: seems like a large percentage. >> right. >> harris: we do have congressman fleischmann still on the line with us, correct? >> that's correct, yes. >> harris: we have senator rand paul here. i'm sure you could hear the medical points that he was making which i imagine might echo some of what you have been hearing. but if you have any questions for senator rand paul in terms of the medical, we have him standing by. i know, also. >> kennedy: is that disconcerting for you, senator paul. >> no. we are mostly worried about chuck's ankle. make sure he can run when it gets to be baseball. >> there you go. [laughter] >> going to one up me in center field i'm afraid.

>> harris: uh-oh. >> is he a great athlete. a gifted fielder and gifted hitter. >> did i not pay chuck to say that. i promise you. >> harris: you described a little bit of feeling, you know, sick to the stomach and sometimes i know from concussions people can make that leap. but sometimes it can be stress and a whole lot of things. >> you know. i'm sure, i don't know chuck's medical background but he looked to me to be young and healthy. and i think he will probably do fine, actually. >> i will be back. >> he will be back. >> doctors on board you still couldn't repeal obamacare. >> that's another story. need another hour if we go into that. >> harris: as we look at the screen, congressman fleischmann, if you are in one of those cars right in front of the wreck, still, can you probably tell us what is happening. there seems to be some quick step movement. sometimes we watch for the first responders and those people in the yellow jackets which sometimes can be already investigating what's happened. can you tell us what you are seeing from your vantage point? >> i am.

we are literally my car that i am in, the train car is right in front of the white truck, which is mangled. they just actually put a gentleman on a stretcher and wheeled him to some ambulances. so, from this vantage point. >> harris: from on board the train? from on board the train? >> no. >> harris: from the truck? >> i think that is probably from somewhere left of the truck. i don't know the answer to that question. but i assume it's from outside. i do want to commend the doctors. i saw roger marshall, i saw brad winthrop tremendous instrom mental when steve scalise got shot. the doctors exited the train and did a great job. we do have many members of congress who are very skilled physicians. they immediately went to work and helped people. so, my thanks go out to them. they are very nice to me as well. because when i was thrown,

again, i'm still shaking but i'm going to be okay. there have been serious, serious injuries, obviously today. this is a horrific thing. but our doctors. and that's why i have the utmost respect for the medical profession. i'm a lawyer by profession and the like. but watching our doctors spring into action members of congress was outstanding. >> harris: you are moving again. >> right now the train is still stuck. >> harris: okay. we are looking at -- we're looking at moments ago video. and i looked up at the screen and thought okay, they are moving again. you are right, no, no, no. you are still in that same position as they work on the scene outside your train car. >> that is correct. we are not moving. and the vantage point between the two -- the truck and it looks like the trailer that was attached to it we are right in between

that. >> harris: wow. >> katie: congressman, what was the response from the amtrak personnel on board? we are hearing a lot about the way that you reacted and your colleagues. what was the amtrak personnel's reaction to the scene? >> i really don't know because after the impact, and it was a tremendous impact, the train was going very fast at the time. and it was so -- it was so strong and so sudden. when i was thrown, fortunately, as i said, pete sessions and another nice lady came to check on me right away. but, i would say the e.m.s. came through and did a very good job checking on everyone. there are house doctors with us on this trip. as you know, there are doctors who actually can treat us in the house. most of them, i believe, are navy doctors and they are very skilled as well. so the response was, under the circumstances, i think very good. there is another gentleman

being wheeled out from our van damage point on a -- vantagm the stretcher as well. i don't know if they are coming from the train or outside of the i do see some of my friends members of mine actually walking outside the train now. sap san congressman, can you give us an idea of how many people you think are on the train? we had pete sessions earlier said this is his quote. i know probably 200 members of congress and senators are on the train. are you -- is that in line what you are thinking? >> that's accurate. this is my eighth retreat, an annual retreat. and it's senators, u.s. representatives, their spouses, children. this is an annual gathering that we all look forward to. as a matter of fact, the president trump and vice president pence are scheduled to be at this gathering. we have just been told that apparently we will be picked

up in charlottesville and we will be actually going -- we will actually be going to -- we will be going back to the greenbrier and continuing on with it. that's a little bit -- apparently that call has been made. >> sandra: congressman, how do you think this is going to change the tone of the retreat? >> oh my gosh. with the fatalities, with the injuries, with the magnitude of this, it's definitely going to put a very somber tone over the entire retreat. people are understandably shaken. this is a tragedy. and i think it will clearly effect the tone of the retreat. and, again, we just found out that they have decided that they are going to come on with this. my understanding that other members of the cabinet have been planning on going there. we have an agenda for the retreat. but clearly