>> melisa: what a great game, my 7-year-old is an eagles fan, we had to all root for his team for sure. >> jon: came through. >> melisa: thanks for joining us. >> jon: outnumbered starts now. a vote could come as early as today to release a democratic memo on the fbi. democrats say it counters much of what was put out in the republican memo last week. if they release it, it will of course be up to president trump to decide whether to block it or not. this is "outnumbered", i'm sandra smith, trish regan, also from fbn, host of kennedy, kennedy, and joining us on the couch, chief national correspondent, ed henry is here, and he is outnumbered. >> this is great. here for the new set. we used to be down the street.

>> happy monday. >> happy monday. >> let's get started. democrats pushing for a vote for as early as today to release their version counters the findings in the republican memo on surveillance. we saw on friday. it will have to go through the same process, and if the house intelligence committee approves its release, president trump will again get five days to decide whether he wants to object to its release. over the weekend, trump tweeted, the gop memo totally vindicates him. adam schiff, top democrat, disagrees. >> not at all. in fact, on the issue of collusion what the memo indicates is it didn't begin with carter page. it actually began with george papadopoul papadopoulos. even with this flawed memo, the origin involved the issue of clu collusion. it was a political hit job on the fbi in the service of the

president. >> president trump tweeted, little schiff, one of the bigger leakers in washington. adam leads the closed committee hearings to leak confidential information. must be stopped. chuck schumer sent a letter to president trump, saying, quote, it is a matter of fundamental fairness that the american people be allowed to seattle both sides of the argument. the refusal will confirm the american people's worst fears, that the release of nunes' memo was to undermine bob muller's investigation. >> what we're trying do is just get the american public to understand what happened in the last election, and understand, we have a responsibility to ensure the american people that

the fisa process isn't being abused. >> melisa: meantime, the intel jensz committee, brad win strop, say they would support releasing much more than just memos. >> i would support releasing the underlying fisa applications, what mark would see, i don't know how long they are, but they would see dozens of pages citing all sorts of facts the american people would see how comprehensive the fisa application process is, rather than the way it is being characterized as secret. >> are you for it? >> open it up. this is what i'm talking about. let's shed light on what's going on, what the taxpayers pay for by the way. >> melisa: there we have it. what do you make of all this, ed. >> ed: that's the most important part. put it out there. let's see the application. obviously there will be redactions probably because it will be classified information in there, but instead of having a republican version of facts

and democratic version, let's see the actual facts, what went before the fisa judge. the bottom line, even the democratic memo we're told confirms that the original fisa judge was not told that the information for the warrant was essentially coming from a dossier. that's a material fact that the judge was not told, not according to the republican memo, but the new york times said the democratic memo admits that the judge was not told that the dnc and the clinton campaign paid for this, which led to the investigation. that's an important fact. and we need to, rather than hearing, you know, partisan versions of everything, let's see the actual petition. >> melisa: will the president make it happen? >> i hope so. the president has been leaning toward the side of transparency. i don't have a problem of seeing the schiff memo, however you

want to characterize it, but ed is right, it is written about this intelligence and we should see with our own eyes and if there are issues with national security, redact parts of it, but what were the bases of these warrant applications? what were they going for? they knew that christopher steele was a liar, and making sure donald trump was not elected president of the united states, and they knew the dnc took up funding. >> let me show you adam schiff's response to the president's tweet, referring to him as "little adam schiff." >> i see you've had a busy morning, instead of tweeting false smears, protecting the dreamer s or anything else.

>> it is his direct line to the people and his direct line to his base. so i don't have a problem with most of the tweets. i understand why he is so upset about this whole ordeal. that said, i'm with you, ed, i'm with you, kennedy. because you know, think about it like this. when you were in school and you had to write a term paper and you had your thesis and five different books and go through the books and pull different quotes and put it altogether and come up with your conclusion, and you know, sandra, you and i could have had completely different thesis and conclusions using the same material. i can tell you, i want as a journalist, as an american, i want to be able to see the five books. i want to see the original material. >> put it out there. what do you think? >> i think this is less about the memo. i want to see the supporting evidence. how much of that is this system, how much of system is able to be declassified. you're looking at partisan argument and rebuttal and so on

and so forth. there are some good facts, i'm simply saying it is impossible to make a jiudgment based on th facts. >> an awful lot of obstruction in there. we're really, you know, with schiff talking about the president tweeting, it is a massive misdirect. we should be keeping our eye on how has power been abused, if that -- >> what we want to avoid is for this to turn out like an ink blot test. we don't want that distraction. we actually would like stick figures. we just want the facts as the american people. because we're being asked to judge the most powerful agencies in our lives. we've had to do it before with the irs, remember when they were targeting people, and you want all the facts. >> you make an important point. adam schiff is not pushing back on the facts. he is attacking david nunes and the president for tweeting.

jim comey was tweeting talking points and broad allegations, did not dispute a single point. >> eric holder jumped in at one point. >> that's it. it was kind of a big bombshell. it was basically what we all feared may have happened, right? so it was a pretty big revelation, and for him to, you know, say that's it, it doesn't make any sense. >> yeah, the point is, you and your agency could have grossly abused power to spy on an american citizen. you know, we worry with the fisa law the way it is written that it is very easy to warrantlessly spy on americans, we don't know how many americans are caught up, like carter page has been and it doesn't mean that the investigation has to stop, and it neutralizes anything in the investigation. we cannot -- >> melisa: that's being argued differently depending on the politics. that's the problem. i mean, i think that's why we need to see the supporting evidence. hear what you're saying.

redact, because we don't know what we don't know. >> it is impossible to get the entire fisa application. there has to be sensitive application. >> i read it is this thick. that's part of the problem. >> focus on the screen for a second. there is melania and the president of the united states, they're on their way to cincinnati, he is going to make a big sweepeech this afternoon, clock this afternoon, two brothers in a garage, developed into more than 100 -- handing out $1,000 bonuses as a result of the president's tax reform. the president will speak there today, to make his case as to why this is working and benefitting american businesses. so the president and the first lady are en route, will be in cincinnati shortly. meanwhile, i'll ask you this question, aside from little adam schiff, the president tweeted he felt totally vindicated as a result of the release of the republican memo. >> he is not vindicated, and you don't have to take it from me.

automatic a report i'm a reporter, and tray gowdy who have been supportive of the president in getting facts out about some of the fbi, clearly acted badly with the text messages, and you know, the anti-trump -- >> okay, that's a softening. >> i think the fact that gowdy is saying the mueller investigation goes forward shows that the president hasn't been vindicated. >> this is a live look, now carrying the first lady and the president, as they embark on a trip to tout the president's tax plan. so we're watching that live picture. and this is all happening on memo mania day. it continues. >> where does it end? >> we had a retired fbi agent on "fox and friends" over the weekend and said andrew mccabe in 2016 and 2017 was openly talking about how much he disliked the president. president trump, obviously, not

the outgoing president, president obama. >> enough to withhold information. >> how much did it cloud the investigation? so then he signs off on mimccab comey are in the center of this. >> the scope of this investigation, but if there are problems separating one's bias or opinion or point of view inside an agency that has so much power in our lives from the jobs that they do, that's a bigger issue than just this one case. so if there is this open sort of cathar cathartic nature inside the fbi, that's problematic for all of us. >> we can't deny that fbi agents vote certain ways and all that, but it should not cloud their investigations in the case of andrew mccabe, you have the fact that the text messages said let's have this meeting about that insurance policy in andy's office. you have andy mccabe, his wife was running for office in virginia and getting all this

money from clinton pals. >> i want everybody to look at the screen here. you see the president now, a live look at joint base andrews, and as sandra has been telling us, the president is on his way to cincinnati and he'll be talking about tax cuts and jobs creation. that jobs report came out last week, and so there has been a lot of talk about people in this economy who haven't worked in a long time. and getting some oxygen into the room for all of them, and you have people opening up their paychecks late last week or early this week and noticing some bumps within the trump administration, i've heard the trump bump, but right now, they're going to board air force one and head there. also, sandra, the first lady had some things on her bill today, too. she is focused on the opioid crisis, while she is in ohio, and making her presence known there. making some appearances. >> she is visiting a children's hospital.

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on capitol hill with a friday budget bill deadline looming, again. only a month remaining until protection for dreamers runs out. now, we're learning senators john mccain and chris coons plan to introduce a bipartisan bill today. senator mccain says our legislation which already has broad support in the house of representatives would address the most urgent priorities of protecting dreamers, strengthening border security alleviating the backlog and immigration and addressing the root causes. the bill is very similar to a bipartisan measure already introduced in the house. pete aguilar who co-wrote the house bill with will herd said earlier today. >> we introduce with 20 republicans and 25 democrats, bipartisan is an important thing. this is a daca fix with common sense border fix security. that's where we need to start. democrats and republicans can

agree, and let's start there, and leave some of the more controversial topics to comprehensive immigration reformulater. >> but seems like there is always a but, those bills differ. neither includes funding for president trump's promised border wall. the president tweeted this -- any deal on daca that does not include the desperately needed wall is a total waste of time. march 5th is approaching and the dems seem not to care about daca. chief of staff kelly and mr. miller talked about it. do you think they're not listening to the president? what is going on? >> they have to have the wall or he will not sign. that's clear. >> say it again. >> tweet it again? he has been saying it. >> why do you -- do they not take him seriously? >> they didn't take him seriously the last time. the democrats alargely got the

blame and chuck schumer had to say "uncle, let's reopen the government." i'm thinking about what trish said earlier about the term papers, i remember always doing that at the last minute and waiting until the last minute to get it done. that's what congress is doing all the time. we're back in the same boat three weeks ago. we promise, we'll get it done, and they're about to shut down again. >> trish, there is some reporting, and i want to look closer at it, because i don't know which lawmakers are in favor, but there is some reporting there is consideration of doing this a year from now, somehow kicking the can down the road on dreamers. you're laughing, you know about this. a whole year from now. i thought the whole point was to get it out of limbo. >> trish: save themselves an election. they don't want to -- or perhaps -- >> both sides. >> jon: bri-- >> trish: bring it to a head. congress lives in a word where they're only obsessed with their

next vote. they've got to get elected, so that may be part of the thinking. look, you know, he has been very clear. not just money for the wall, but also end migration, end the lottery system, and none of it is there. so i don't think this is going to fly. you can have all the bipartisan ship you want if you're president, the executive is not going along with it, it is not going to go anywhere. >> is this what it takes to do bipartisan ship? because this is the president who is not going to be skipped? it is interesting to see how it is going to play out. yeah, you do have a can kicking, and that's why the freedom caucus is so upset. you're not shoring up military funding, the conservative members of congress want. and at the same time, you're doing a great disservice to immigration because you're not tackling the major issues. >> can i ask you a question? so last week, we were talking about the state of the union, you know, the president gave on tuesday. i thought i heard him say that

there is going to be a long-term fix for daca, for the dreamers. i'm pretty sure -- >> kennedy: yeah, but a one year extension isn't that. you're right about the midterm looming. democrats don't want the president to get the credit for saving dreamers. so they have to block the wall. >> it's awful. >> kennedy: the only thing they can do is kick the can. >> or shut down the government again. is that really in the cards still? would they really -- >> ed: they didn't want to do it last time. they can't -- i mean, there is a deal to be had. everyone can see it. the president wants the wall. maybe he is not going to get everything that trish said. the visa lottery program ending and all that, but he'll have to compromise, but the democrats have to compromise. the president has already compromised on the number of dreamers, two or three as many

young people. >> some aren't even dreamers. this includes a group of people that would not be dreamers, is that correct? >> ed: yeah, they've already -- >> or they extended the arrival dates and some of the criteria to include more people. that's why the president started with that. that was, you know, his point during the state of the union was this is what makes it bipartisan, 1.8 million people will be spared from deportation and granted, and this is what upsets the more conservative aspect, citizenship. >> right. so representatives like lamar smith who doesn't like amnesty, and this gives citizenship, and i spoke up as you were saying it, but twice as many people as would have been given that under the obama era. >> ed: correct. all this started because barack obama in 2012 decided by executive order, i'm going to let these people stay in the

country, even though they came illegally. >> i hate to say this, i think the democrats would like to see, and this is because they are so selfishly motivated, they would like to see some of these dreamers get kicked out by the trump administration because they could run on that. >> the optics of that. the realities of that. >> horrible, yeah. >> we'll cover it as it happens. we could find out how an interaction could go-between president trump and robert mueller's team, and what a former white house staffer has to say about a possible face-to-face, sit-down between the two. as democrats push to release their own memo he on surveillan we're hearing from four republicans that says it has nothing to do with mueller's investigation. we'll debate it. >> it would be a mistake for anyone to suggest that special counsel shouldn't complete his work. i hope he finishes it as quickly as possible. this memo has nothing at all to

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henry, i've lost my phone, so i was looking for it and you caught me. ed henry. >> ed: i think there are two tracks to the investigation, okay. there are a lot of trump supporters that want to say ah-ha, this malfeasance and wrongdoing, and now this memo exposing what happened with fisa shows this is an illegitimate investigation. that's wrong. and then i think there are a lot of people in mainstream media that don't want to cover this. >> why not? >> let's expose government wrongdoing. now they're like national security, don't put this stuff out there. i think there are two investigations and going on two tracks, whether either party likes it or not. there is an investigation of the president, he is got to deal with that. he hopes it is over soon. he thinks he has been vindicated, and a second investigation of the investigators. some don't want to see it go forward, but guess what?

it is here to stay. there is more coming. >> is that why we haven't heard from jeff sessions. >> he has recused himself, which led to robert mueller. >> he is still the attorney general, oversees the department of justice. >> but from anything dealing with the 2016 election. >> yes, but the fbi falls under his purview, and so, that's one of the tracks we're talking about. to ed's point, i don't think any of this should have to do with vindication. what's in the memo is in and of itself problematic, regardless of where robert mueller stands, and whether he'll talk to the president. there is enough in there that we should be so mindful of that and taking that apart carefully to make certain that if something nefarious happened, it doesn't happen again, because it seems to continue happening, whether it is the nfa or fbi. >> is anything going to change because of this? are they two separate issues, trish. >> trish: they are, i would like mueller to look into the issue

of whether the russians had some kind of influence, period. in other words, you know, i don't know how mueller can't be looking into the dossier, given what we've learned. i think they are on two separate paths, and perhaps that's how they want to keep them. but all the more reason for the republicans and the president to get out in front of what nunes is doing. i mean, i just think that we deserve that disclosure. we deserve that transparency. and this gets us back to how we started the show, harris. we as americans need to know what happened. we need to get in front of it, and the president needs to say we want to know what did the russians do or not do. >> we have a lot of conversations about free speech, what i'm advocating for and what i think as journalists we always do is open speech. more words are better. put them all in and let the american public and figure out where the truth is. it should be fairly obvious. we hope. there were a lot of questions

whether the memo got too political if you can find the facts in them. there are damming things in there when it comes to andrew mccabe and whether or not the investigation should have been opened since it was based on a piece of information that was so fraught with difficulty that anti-trump dossier. we're clapping in the same way on that issue, but again, this is bigger than that. what does christopher wray do to lead the fbi. we've got sex trafficking, a whole lot of going on, and the thousands of agents that are tasked with doing their job. >> the fact of the matter is, the president's critics said you saw stories that the president is attacking law enforcement, an assault on the fbi. no, it is an assault on some of the bad actors. >> too many gaps, and bad

systems that allow for this abuse. >> it doesn't mean that -- >> what do you fill the gaps with, though? conspiracy theories. we need the truth, facts and more of it right now. >> when it comes to robert mueller's russia investigation, we could soon find out if president trump will appear before the team. this, after we learned the president's attorneys have questions on whether the special counsel's case meets a legal standard for an interview. they want prosecutors to prove only the president could give them the information they need. former white house director, anthony scaramucci had a warning. >> i don't want him to testify. as a lawyer, i don't want him caught in a gotcha moment, where someone accuses him of lying, where he may not remember something like that or something like that. >> fallout if that controversial house intelligence memo alleging surveillance abuse is used to discredit mueller's investigation. here is dick durbin.

>> to say that that's the end of the investigation, that this is all that donald trump needs to fire rosenstein or bob mueller, this could precipitate a constitutional crisis, if the house republicans believe they've set the stage for this president to end this investigation, they are basically saying that in america, one man is above the law. and that's not a fact. >> so sandra, this is part of the reason that some republicans are saying let mueller's investigation go, because when he finds no evidence, according to them, then it is done. >> sandra: that's a fair point. they also have a fair point that you don't just sit the president down, and newt gingrich, you probably heard him so many times saying show me the crime first. you can't just sit the president down to ask him questions without providing enough evidence as to why. >> what did it satart out as? so far, we have seen little evidence. so now there could be other crimes, if you have general

flynn lying to the fbi, if they were innocent, he shouldn't have done that, he should have told the truth, right? so that's what anthony scaramucci and others are worried about, now that mueller has gone through the different stories, if the president mis-remembers something, he is in a trap. >> you don't know what mueller has. >> he doesn't. it is in his interest to talk and get it over with, because once you interview the president, there isn't much else you can do, but who knows what will happen. >> i think that's why his lawyers want to know the perimeters, and you have people like newt gingrich saying they would never suggest that the president sit for an open-ended interview like that. they don't want the threshold so low that you can sit the president down for any kind of questioning. it is a bad precedent to set for either party. >> he is putting him into a corner, right? because then if he says no, per his lawyer's advice, not to sit down, politically, then, trish, they could say, look, see, the

president doesn't want to sit down now. >> trish: if you think about this, vladimir putin has won the day thus far. look at the state we're in. such a chaotic space with political sides bickering about anything and everything. another shut down looming, his president, his back-up against the would, as you point out, san drarks i just thi-- sandra, it unfortunate, because we have succombed to everything the russians -- we do exactly what you have mentioned. we get all the information, and then -- >> you don't get it in russia. you don't get that information in russia, and dick durbin says if they fire rosenstein and mueller, which i don't think the president should and i don't think he will, you're saying one man is above the law, well, he kind of is, because whether or not the president can be

indicted. >> do we still have that reince priebus sound byte ready to go? let's watch it? >> i will tell you this. which i think is something that i've -- i've talked to a couple of people about. i never felt of all the things that we went through in the west wing, i never felt that the president was going to fire the special counsel. >> i think he expressed his concerns with the conflicts, but i never heard the idea or the concept that this person needed to be fired. >> former chief of staff to president trump, you had a thought. >> my thought is that what he is saying, largely, is true. which is that this idea of firing mueller has been more of outside critics, democrats like dick durbin fanning the blames. he might fire mueller, a constitutional crisis. the more chaos creates -- >> that's interesting. they want the legislation to protect mueller. >> yeah. >> make it like he is unstable, he is going to fire him.

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he is heading to ohio right now, a trip the white house says aims to highlight the gop tax law. all of this as the latest federal filings show the dnc is dead broke, when you subtract the debt from cash on hand, they have less than $500,000 laying around. >> crumbs, trish. >> they've got about $40 million in cash, and it could be part of a bigger problem, as democrats are struggling to find their next obama, shall we say. patty doyle, who ran hillary clinton's campaign, said there is a definitely yearning for who is migrate lovy great love. we're looking for someone we're not expecting. you know -- >> a lot of pregnancy in there. >> this, i think, shows they have nothing that's empowering

them right now. their only mantra is to resist, right. donald trump is awful, we must get him out. we must get the republicans out. they're going to destroy the country. everybody is looking saying gee, my 401(k) is doing better. this argument isn't sticking. this is why they can't raise money. they don't have anything that people or candidate that people are excited about. >> wasted a lot of time instead of creating a democratic agenda, just time spent on anti-trump, resist, resist, resist. republicans had some of those problems in the obama years as well. it wasn't until then candidate donald trump came up and said we've got to get serious on trade and the wall and jobs, jobs, jobs. and actually came and sold it to the middle class and he won. okay, and so i think moving forward, if this president can get through the mueller investigation, build momentum out of the tax cut, which as you say, the economy is taking off

by every single measure and sca get an immigration deal, this is what they're worried about. if he takes daca off the table and gets some if not all of the wall, he is checking off promise after promise. that's a fact. >> going back to democrats, somehow they have to fend that strong message off, who do they do it? is mr. kennedy the guy? >> i don't think so, after that speak. i mean, one speech is not going to build -- he had kind of a -- >> that's not true. look at barack obama. >> that's a speech at the convention. >> absolutely right. still a big audience, he had a shot, and i think he blew it. >> that's my point. i don't think congressman kennedy had a barack obama moment. you're right you can do it with one speech, but i don't think joe kennedy did it. >> to your point, democrats, right now, they have to pin the tail on the donkey, and they have to -- >> democratic donkey. >> they have to take the success from the economic optimism and

some of the metrics that you were talking about and saying this is good. instead of trying to call an apple a banana, they need to say like economic growth is great and here is how we're going to compound it for you. they are not doing that. they're not taking basics. >> congressman joe kennedy that night and in interviews the following day, he was doing just that he was doing this intellectual gymnastics of yeah, it is not that bad, but it could be better. but that's hard to do coupled with people opening their paychecks. i think that's bigger than looking at the dow or anything else. when you open something up and you say, oh, yeah. >> don't forget as well that you know, they are fighting marie antoinette problem right now. i don't know if kennedy is the answer. i don't know if that's going to do it for your average american that feels as though the democrats -- >> 8:00 p.m. on the fox business network. >> not just any kennedy, our

kennedy. >> every democrat voted no on the tax cut. >> they won't be able to live that down. president trump may have scored a big history with the nfl after national anthem protests. what the president said and whether it proved to be a game changer in the battle.

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more outnumbered in just a minute, but first on harris, on what's coming up in a moment. >> ed henry asked where i went, you know knows. the deputy press secretary, hogan gidly joins me and i'll ask him if the president would approve release of the democrats fbi surveillance memo, which they say rebuts the one republicans released on friday. would the president ever go for that immigration deal? like the bipartisan one the senate may introduced to, that has no money for the border wall. also an ohio congressman joins me ahead of the tax reform speech today, in that very important swing state. that and more coming up outnumbered, top of the hour. >> we'll be watching. thank you. thank you. president trump a big victory over players national anthem protest. no players kneeled or sat during the playoffs or the super bowl. he sent out a message thanking the military, saying we owe the

heros the greatest respect for defending our liberty and our american way of life. it is stitched into each star and trip of our star spangled banner, and hold them in our hearts and thank them for our freedom as we proudly stand for the national anthem. >> was it all caps? >> yeah the whole thing. it actually hurt his finger. was there a deal between the nfl and the president? >> i don't think there was a deal. i think they wanted to get out quick. i mean, it was damaging the league throughout the season, and it is another issue where the president jumped on it and said what in the world he is doing, he is wrong, people don't care. you saw the polls and you saw the nfl ticket sales down. by the way, the ratings were down slightly it appears from what we saw overnight, even though it was a great super bowl, but streaming is way up. more and more people are watching -- >> different story, ed. >> by the way. >> you know what?

what a great american moment to see that on a night like that, it is a truly american moment, the super bowl. we can all come together. i don't know if conflicts were resolved. but certainly, it was -- >> they allowed american families to enjoy the moment. >> you can have that sort of relief without the distraction. i don't think they're necessarily needs to be that political messaging at every turn. it is nice to not be distracted by something that could have been that dramatic. >> it is the national anthem. it is football. i mean, you don't get more american than football. you don't get more american than the national anthem. it was a huge distraction. these players are out there to play. i'm wondering if one of the coaches, one of the team owners said hey, knock it off. we don't need this on the field. we want everybody to feel good, and you have become a complete distraction. >> deal that way, asking about a

deal between the president and the nfl, i think it was more of a deal within the nfl like this is what we don't need right now. >> they reached out to roger goode goodell and said listen, you're going to make $50 million. >> well, that's the question. here is the biggest game of the season. and you know, noticeably absent are these political protests, and the kneeling, so does that mean that next season, you're not going to see this, and if so, how has it revolved? >> i don't know. >> probably hoping. >> we had eagles and patriots, you can't get more american than that. >> the city of minneapolis, dealing with those fans. my goodness. >> i would only add, he has had -- >> homeland security had their hands full. >> pr has had quite a deal with this controversy. i'm sure they're hoping it goes away next season. >> targeting of a different source. more outnumbered in just a

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>> sandra: many thanks to ed henry, always promises to be a wonderful #oneluckyguy. we have a few seconds, is there anything on your mind? >> ed: i'm a giants fan. someone had to lose. and someone did. >> sandra: we thank you for joining us on the couch today.

we are back tomorrow live each day at noon eastern time, and now here is harris. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert, we are awaiting the arrival of president trump in ohio. that's expected later this hour. a trip the white house as aims to highlight the impact of g.o.p. tax reform, cuts and jobs creation. the plant where the president will speak this afternoon is outside of cincinnati in the greater cincinnati area in the town of blue ash. it is among the dozens of companies that have rewarded and afforded their workers bonuses as a result of savings from the new tax law. later, here on "outnumbered overtime," republican congressman lauren davidson of ohio on the importance of the tax cuts in his state and the president's visit. how they will play in the midterm elections. we will talk about all of that. and of course we will go live when that happens. the political showdown in our nation's capital are piling up as democrats