people wondering why. we'll see what he decides and bring it to you, the very latest on "fox news @ night." for tonight, most-watched, most trusted, and most grateful you spent the evening with us. good night from washington. i'm shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: while, get evening and welcome toke "tucker carlson tonight." donald trump jr. will be here just a minute. but first, devin nunes' barcomb h memo looks like it will be the last declassified it document to jacob congress. the democrats -- if you are keeping up with us. weas should be able to see the w memo soon. no matter what it says, it's probably a good thing for everybody. for the first terms of generations, americans have reason to believe that our intelligence and law enforcement agencies l greatly misused the powers we have given them,

violating the civil liberties of americans aren't taking sides and political contests. you can trust a government that would do something like that and many americans don't. that is a disaster in a democracy, when the trust of the population is key. transparency is the only antidote to that. so release all the documents, all relevant documents, and let the rest of us decide what they mean. maybe that will make us trust our government again. nothing else well. democrats disagree with that. just last week, party leaders and their lackeys and my radio were yelling at the rest of us about how releasing the nunes memo would constitute a deadly threat to america. they said that four days. then the memo came out.ca whatever you think of its conclusions,nk you got to be honest and can see there was not a single thing in there that you should not of been allowed to see. there were no classified weapons programsns discussed, no names f secret agents are revealed. democrats, it turns out, they didn't want him to release because it might embarrass them. on friday, we spoke to california congressman eric swab well, a member of the house

intelligence committee, right in the center of this. we ask them the obvious question, none of those who should secret in the memo. why did you fight to keep it hidden? swalwell didn't answer that question. instead accused us of betraying our country. >> tucker: in the case of today's memo, what specifically have i espoused that empowers threats to our country? >> you are peddling the narrative that the trump administration is putting out, which also is the putin narrative because they are re-tweeting this with their russian bots. >> tucker: i wonder, do you perceive -- >> wikileaks and putin, take a step back and wonder who is bidding are reallyin doing? >> tucker: whose bidding are you really doing? so, for wanting to see the memo, we are treasonous agents of vladimir putin. you probably grew up reading about the mccarthy era where

democrats in congress made baseless claims of foreign collusion destroying the lives of american citizens in the process. you probably didn't think he would love to see it happen again, but it has. about a year ago we spoke to another democratic member of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff of california. we ask him another obvious and straightforward question. what evidence do you have that the russian government hacked t john podesta's emails? often alleged, never approved. so we pushed. schiff got squarely, we pushed again. here's what happened. >> tucker: can you look into the camera and say, we know for the fact that the government of vladimir putin was behind the hacks of john podesta's emails? >> absolutely. the government of vladimir putin -- >> tucker: of john podesta's emails? >> but also in europe -- >> tucker: you know what, you are dodging the question. i know they did -- >> i think ronald reagan would be rolling in his grave. you are carrying water for the kremlin. >> tucker: i'm not carrying water.

you are sitting member of congress until committee and you can't say they hacked -- >> you have to move your show to rt russian television. >> tucker: carrying water for the kremlin. disloyalty to america. treason. in a single year on theson showe have been accused of betraying our own country by more than 20% of the democrats in the house intelligence committee. what isy this about? part of it obviously is politics of the most cynical client. the democratic base has been fed russian conspiracy theories four months and they are primed to believe anything on that subject. with an of it appearing on the show, eric small swalwell was g money on this. that's dishonorable and untrue. it makes the kind of sense and the sleazy washington way. what if these guys are actually starting to believe the lies they tell? in a speech last week, adam schiff accused russia of a crime so bizarre that even the most

diabolical soviet era leaders never would have attempted. watch this. >> they also trumpeted the second amendment. they are really big fans of our second amendment. they don't want one of their own, but they are really glad that we have one. the russians would be thrilled if we were to do nothing but tell each other every day and sadly, we are. >> tucker: if you are following along at home, how determined are the russians to destroy american democracy? well, so determined, says congressman schiff, that they will attempt to promote our bill of rights. the next thing you know they will be reprinting "the federalists." oh, the slavic mine, desperatel. it grows from our whaling classes unwillingness to face the lessons of last year's election. voters rejected them, they can't accept that, they blame russia, we get it. but at what cost, all of those? schiff and swalwell are not

college professors or cnn anchors. they are members of one of the most powerful and important committees and the congress, one charge of overseeing our vast intelligence apparatus. they are supposed to be sober and thoughtful and smart, but they're not. instead, if you dare ask an uncomfortable question, they accuse you of working for a hostile foreign dictator. strictly speaking up about the death penalty offense, by the way. this is your opposition party. these are the people supposed to be giving us an alternative to trump, who they claim as to irresponsible tos rule. but they are more irresponsible and they are angrier and they are more reckless and most terrifying of all, they are poisedo to take power. nine months from right now at the midterms, they may. chances are they'll be running congress again. these people. the ones who cavalierly accused fellow americans of treason, who mocked civil liberties, who believe the u.s. constitution itself is some kind of russian employee. in charge. adam schiff will be chairman of the intel committee. if there was ever an incentive for the republicans to get their act together from a seriously, and do it fast, you just saw it.

author g and columnist mark sten joins us tonight. so you've traveled broadly and you've written a lot about russia, the soviets, and the russian government over the decades. did you ever even suspect that they were clever enough to promote our own bill of rights against has? >> well, they do play the long game, the russians. for them to talk up the second amendment, if i follow adam schiff's argument, they are talking of the second amendment so that we'll all suit each other, which will save the russians the trouble of having to do this. it's brilliant. congressman swalwell, this sounds stupid it is. he accused you of mccarthyite tactics, when he is the one saying that you work for the kremlin. this is so it nods. he says also that you are attacking the rule of law. the reason some of us are upset about this is because -- what is

going on is an assault on the rule of law. american citizen who has not been convicted of any crime, and actually has never even been charged with one, has nevertheless been under united states surveillance on and off for half a decade. this guys life and reputation has been ruined and the democrats are okay with that because he's just this week's useful mcguffin to distract people in the russian investigation. it's an assault onis the rule of law law and edward to reminds us of a very important listen, which this memo is all about, there's a point at which there is a legitimate intelligence community, and then there's a point at which it becomes actually secret police activities. what they have done to this u.s. citizen carter page crosses well into the line, i believe, of

secret police activities. >> tucker: it isvi certainly something that i shaken a lot of people's faith in thele system. it's a system you want to believe in. in fact, your population needs to believe and in order for the country to function. i wonder if this is a fever dream that we will wake up from 20 years from now? we will be replaying the adam schiff tape and saying, there was a congressman who accused any of who disagreed with him of working for a foreign power or will they not recover? >> tucker: i would like to think so. i would like to think that just as hollywood kind of gets it right 30, 40 years afterwards, that the elderly tom r hanks and george clooney will be lining up to play adam schiff in movies and the even more elderly meryl streep will be playing the outrageous nancy pelosi, as she says that congressman nunes has

broken the laws of congress and he should be going to jail for it. but at heart, the democrats are doing this because this isn't just a few broken elements of the permanent bureaucracy. the two most powerful factions in the democrat establishment, the obama administration, and clinton campaign, were also tied up with this every step of the way, including, you know, whatever his title is, the assistant deputy, under assistant deputy under secretary of state, this guy, weiner, who is big buddies with christopher steele on this. christopher steele himself is actually a very unusual figure who supposedly "retired from mi mi6" at the age of 44 and is described in this memo as a longtime asset of the fbi. that's actually a breach of the

five is intelligence sharing arrangement between the united states and british commonwealth countries. there is a lot of very weird, sinister, and malodorous aspects. the democrats should stop throwing distractions in the path by accusing you of being a russian agent. >> tucker: i just want to say for the record, how dare you ask questions, mark? in i'm a kremlin agent, too. >> tucker: [laughs] you must be. thank you, mark. >> thank you, tucker, tucker. >> tucker: adam schiff has lost it, when it comes to russia, he's also tried to claim that the release of last friday's memo would result in not making this up -- more oklahoma city style terror attacks. adam schiff. >> sources of information are going to dry up. if you have a neighbor next door who is buying a lot of fertilizer and it seems odd to you because they don't have a yard,, are you going to think twice before calling the fbi

because if they get a search warrant for your neighbor and something is politicized, the political winds of change and there's investigation, your identity is going to be revealed because he really can't trust that this is going to be kept confidential anymore. >> tucker: i don't know the context. anchor pushed back against that. that is too much. the point is if you support more transparency, you are basically handing a truck bomb to timothy mcveigh. that is outside the bounds of normal debate, i would say. richard goodstein was advisor to both of hillary clinton's presidential campaigns and he joins us tonight. richard, without debating the details of this, we've seen that the nunes memo, you probably thought it was a crock, i thought it was kind of interest income at either one of us can point to a single thing then imperiled american national security. no one says there was. in light of that, you have the ranking democrat on the intel committee -- big job -- saying crap like that on tv. that's too irresponsible for washington, don't you think? >> the fbi thought there was a

problem with it, the justice department out there was a why one ofich is their senior people wrote a letter saying please do not release the memo. they had read the memo. >> tucker: on what grounds? they believe that if this were declassified that they would have to declassify a whole bunch of other stuff. in my view is an american citizen, you have to, by law, declassify everything unless you can show it imperils american national security. you live here, you know the peer mark.permanent bureaucracy, they don't like d classifying stuff because it obviously detracts from their power, which is rooted in secrecy.e they know you don't. that is the whole game. why should i sit there and take a letter from this schiff guy about how i am timothy mcveigh when i just want to see them i will? >> every one of intelligence committee believes that getting classified material that shouldn't be is a problem, and it will over time decrease the willingness of people to cooperate. >> tucker: i just want to say i believe that, too.

if you can show that releasing something hurts the country, i'm against releasing it. but what about this memo hurt our country? >> the solution is to have the trunkum and pay not have hired a russian agent. i'm sorry. back when the rosenbergs were giving -- >> tucker: who was the russian agent? >> we would have preferred that we had known in advance what they were doing. carter page was giving speeches in russia >> tucker: there so many things here. one, you are conceding the rosenbergs are cozy because the left defended them for 70 years. i'm just wondering. just to be clear. the russians were the favored estate of the american left for 70 years, okay. i just want to be clear, they defended the rosenbergs up until now. second, which russian agent did they hire? they never hired carter page, who was a volunteer. second, you are calling him a russian agent? >> they paid him five or six figure amounts of money to give

speeches. including when bashing the united states in 2016. at the time, donald trump was saying that he was one of my five advisors along with george papadopoulos. >> tucker: the trump people? >> the kremlin. >> tucker: he's a russian agent? you are saying that anybody who does a business transaction in which -- giving a speech for money is a business transaction. >> it was more than just giving speeches for money. technically going back to his college thesis, he was very pro-russia. you are making fun of the left being pro-russia -- >> tucker: if you like russia, that makes you anti-american? >> what makes you anti-american is giving a speech at the kremlin bashing the united states. it's not a business transaction. it's not something other than something that is considered rather unpatriotic against thek backdrop of a presidential candidate saying, yes, he's one ofin my five people with george papadopoulos giving me foreign policy o advice. >> tucker: that's a ludicrous claim, they did not have a -- >> he said it.

>> i get it. i don't take it seriously. if he is attacking the united states on foreign soil, i'm against that. i would never defend it. i think it's wrong. it doesn't mean he's a spy. if he is, let's arrest him and get this over with. if he is not -- >> that's why they were doing the surveillance on him. >> tucker: did they arrest him, charge him? all, they just impugned his reputation. >> when mueller issues his report, he should be the one that -- i doubt that will happen. >> tucker: can you concede that in legal terms, a clean bill of health is not charging b somebody? his job was either to charge somebody or not. were not interesting interestet mueller's views on morality, we are interested in his legal judgment. if carter page is no charge, will you apologize for having the federal government destroy his life? >> if it turns out that what carter page was doing gave rise to conduct that was frankly inconsistent with the interest

of the united states, it is john mccain who is saying that what they are doing is carrying out pollutant -- >> tucker: is ludicrous what he is saying. i don't want to attack him but we both know that's pathetic. >> i don't. >> tucker: i do. thank you, richard. good to see her.. donald trump jr. is joining us to discuss the aftermath of the release of friday's memo, that is next. ♪ sfx: muffled whistle text alert. i'm your phone, stuck down here between your seat and your console, playing a little hide-n-seek. cold... warmer... warmer... ah boiling. jackpot. and if you've got cut-rate car insurance, you could be picking up these charges yourself. so get allstate, where agents help keep you protected from mayhem... ...like me. mayhem is everywhere. are you in good hands?

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that the entire russia investigation is built on a foundation of sand."nt donald trump jr. joins us tonight. thanks a lot for coming on. >> how are you doing, tucker? >> tucker: i'm doing great. what is your reaction to the memo? >> i think the take away should be that americans should be scared about what is going on right now. when you hear this stuff going on, you don't think that it's happening in the united states. you don't think of it happening in the country where we have a foundation of laws and principles grounded in the constitution. it is, me, seems like a clear violation. you have a court that virtually no one knows anything about, haphazardly granting full surveillance about american citizens, in this case, the duly elected future president of the united states. based on shady information, paid for by the opposition party candidate in that presidential race, this is crazy stuff. >> tucker: it does seem outside the bounds of what the to allow, and yet ed is allowed, and that law was

reauthorized by the republican control of congress with very little debate. why do you think that was? >> i don't know. they should revisit it. a lot has changed since we last spoke about this ten days ago, that happened just before this. as an american citizen, to see the stuff going on, to try to subvert democracy this way, based on these characters and makes people who are so biased and flagrantly so, that is scary. it's one thing if you are doing it in a bipartisan system but that is not at all what we have here.ot >> tucker: so this, all the things we are about, were committed by allegedly by employees of the executive branch, which is now the trump executive branch. what's the solution going forward? how do you fix this? >> i don't know. i think we have to open everything up, you know, listen to the democratic memo, i'm sure that will be a winner giving that schiff is doing it and everything he has been spreading. theirn see the fear in eyes. we have always been in a very one-sided battle.

the republicans could have their talking points and there is bias there, obviously, as well. but when you have the mainstream media so willing to sell or the other side, so willing to go to battle for anything the other side says, so willing to take whatever they say and just say, you know what, that is the gospel, there is nothing else that could contest with this person is saying, that is where it starts to get scary. i say open it all up. but let's see the fisa court transcripts, let see everything that went into this. once all of that comes out, not just the rebuttal that they have weeks to be able to say, this is how we will counteract, but let's see those court transcripts. i want to know what that george saw when they reauthorized it. all theze stuff was based on carter page and yet it was reauthorized numerous times after carter page was not a part of the campaign anymore. so what is their basis for the ongoing investigation? >> tucker: so the rebuttal memo that you just referred to, the schiff memo, the house intelligence committee has voted to declassify it, that is going

to the president, presumably we will get to see it soon, and the media will applaud its reclassification. they did not applaud the declassification of of the nuns memo. was it striking to see reporters argue for more secrecy? the public doesn't have a right to know? >> i had a field day with that on my social media accounts. it was the first time in history where i'm watching the media effectively argue for less information. and touting their talking points, this is going to make it really difficult to investigate people, we are going to be giving up trade secrets, i didn't see any of that in the memo. but those were the schiff talking points to try to prevent it from comingmo out. the media was more than willing to carry his bags to make sure that everyone knew that those things were going to happen and the sky was falling if this memo is released. >> tucker: but none of the people calling for it to remain classified in the press had seen the memo. >> who knows what they had seen,

what they had been given. it's not like there hasn't been weeks like a sieve from various members who were part of that ad had seen it. i wouldn't be surprised. presumably, they were not supposed to runhe on those thin, no. >> tucker: what is your take on carter page, who was at the center of that memo, which described how the federal government spied on him based in part, anyway, on allegations in the dossier? what you think of him? >> i think the whole thing is ridiculous. this is a low-level person who worked in the campion, someone who i've seen the emails, they said this person is no longer working on my campion. i believe one of my family members responded, who the heck is that individual? we had never heard of him. to use that as the basis to try to attack the duly elected president, to do it after that person is no longer part of the campaign, and i get it, all of these people hang around and everyone wants to build up the next thing because it means they will get a better job on the next campaign, they will get their book deal, they want to be a part of something.

the reality is, he wasn't a real player in the campion. to utilize that person, they seem like a great patsy for tha that. i'm sure others were utilize the same way. the reality of the situation is that we thought investigation going on for over two years where there is zero evidence. we haven't seen any investigations and to all of the shade, all of the stuff that is going on with our opponents, that were actual, real things, that had happened. she was involved in that transpired. there is not even ant investigation. you can take a french person on the campion, utilize that to get all these fisa warrants to spy on someone who will ultimately become the president of united states, to begin to do so, based on evidence paid for by their political opponent, given and weaponize by the sitting administration at the time, what about this doesn't recover w banana republ,

tucker? >> tucker: doesn't sound very american to me. thank you for coming on. i appreciate it. senator john mccain just released his vision for what he thinks the immigration deal should look like. the left loves it, needless to say. what should you think about it? we've got details about it next. ♪ kids to get a repair estimat. liberty did what? yeah, with liberty mutual all i needed to do to get an estimate was snap a photo of the damage and voila! voila! i wish my insurance company had that... wait! hold it... hold it boys... there's supposed to be three of you... where's your brother? where's your brother? hey, where's charlie? charlie?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you. liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance.

>> tucker: congress >> tucker: congress is days away from another government shutdown over immigration. senator john mccain of arizona

has released. his idea of what immigration come right out to look like. his bill, which was crafted with democratic senator of chris of delhibi where, would provide amnesty for millions of illegal immigration's, with no concessions. an absurd idea that no one takes seriously, including the white house, which dismissed it out of hands.er where are we?te where are we going? executive director of the national immigration firm joins us tonight. i think it's a pretty baffling position that the left is in right now. trump has basically said, i will give you 3 million new democratic voters, and all you have to do is build a wall, would you say doesn't work anyway, sos what's wrong with that? >> i would ask the same question. the president turned down deals over the past month that offered exactly that. let's take a step back. i think the president deserves credit t for putting his cars on the table. senator mccain has done it today and we have multiple bills in

multiple states of motion. the president can do something that neither president obama nor bush could do and solve start of part of our immigration problem. >> tucker: the stumbling block is the wall. it's's confusing to me why everyone, and the people against the wall are four more illegal immigration, obviously. they argue simultaneously that the wall is an. mexico argues that it's an abomination and it won't work great if ital won't work, why ae they mad about it? >> i number one want to secure border. a border that keeps us safe, but i also want -- let me explain. i want the american taxpayer money to be used the right way. the right solution is a combination of technology,ol infrastructure ports of entry, fencing, some infrastructure -- >> tucker: i don't believe you you. >> why not? >> tucker: we are talking $50 billion -- 20 billion -- >> you don't believe that i care

about security and the american taxpayer? >> tucker: not at all. we just spent 50 billion of puerto rico, which is not a state. we spent 600 billion on the pentagon and we are not at war. we are talking about 20 billion on the wall and all of a sudden people who don't care about spending in anyab other part of government are saying it's bad for the deficit. they don't want them all because it might work. you and i both know that. >> you know what i think we should do, the tucker carlson deal, but protect dreamers, let's secure the border. if you want a wall, let's take a wall -- >> tucker: i personally think -- whatever my views are -- trump just offered to give millions of so-called dreamerss citizenship, not just legal status, they can vote in exchange for then wall. they hate the wall because it's a permanent solution. if you put up sensors on the border, you can take them down, hire more ages, reassign them. the wallace forever. >> we are in favor of a narrow solution like what you're a talking about, protecting

dreamers and protecting the border. >> tucker: you are not, though. you are for border productions that can be retrieved. repealed. lots of walls work. that is why the left -- you before a wall. why not offense? >> the border patrol say that we need a wall -- >> tucker: you are for crops making policy? >> i'm in favor of experts -- >> tucker: this is a democracy. the public gets to make policy. that's why we have elections and they voted for a wall. why can't they have one? >> because we want experts on the border to make the right decisions. some places will say we need a wall and other places -- >> tucker: wait a second. you think a border patrol agent or an expert should have more authority than voters in a democracy? how does that work exactly? >> how it works is that somebody who's had 20, 30 years of protecting our nation knows the best way to protect the nation. >> tucker: so i have elections

at all? >> because that's what you would like to policy makers to set the policies so that experts can implement -- >> tucker: we elected a realityy tv star who ran on building a wall. people did not elect him because he was a reality tv star, and they did it because he wanted to build a wall. he was very literal about it. i now in washington, they are saying, it's not a real wall. i'm thinking it's not a real democracy. >> we want our experts to protect the american people. experts say we need a mix of t infrastructure are , technology- >> tucker: you are ignoring voters. >> of the voters have spoken and they elected donald trump. he is the president. >> tucker: what did he run on? >> he ran a securing our borders. >> tucker: he ran on the wall. speak about secure the border. >> no, let's build a wall. anything short of that, you're not a trump folder. they want max.

why wouldn't they get what they want if this is a democracy? if it's not, let's just say it's not as democracy. it's run by 4,000 people who went to hbs and worked at mckinsey and now are running think tanks. let's be honest and voters are immaterial. that's's true, isn't it? >> who secures our nation, the border patrol officers who are putting their lives on the line every single day -- >> tucker: [laughs] >> if you will disrespect their expertise -- >> tucker: i hate our troops. thank you for coming out tonigh tonight. the vega shooting took place more than four months ago. the biggest in american history. why is the corner, to this day, refusing a court order to release the autopsy of the shooter? we have details next. ♪ sh today, smart planning is helping the new new york rise higher than ever. as the world leader in unmanned aerial systems, we're attracting the world's best talent to central new york. and turning the airport into a first-class transportation hub. all while growing urban areas

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the clark county coroner has refused to release the autopsies of 58 shooting victims in response to a court order, it did release them. but it refused to release the autopsy of shooter stephen paddock. the coroner claims the autopsy is still being finalized, even after all this time. dr. michael baden is a forensic pathologist and he joins us tonight. doctor, this seems like a weird explanation. maybe it's not. you have perspective. tell us. >>u coroners and medical examiners have always got to obeyed judicial orders, period. it may be the situation where the autopsy findings may be important in a criminal investigation, that the district attorney or in this case the fbi asked tobi hold off the releaseo it doesn't interfere with the investigation.nd but that sounds very unlikely is the situation. >> tucker: they are saying this was a single shooter event, and they haven't suggested there

is anything outlandish that we don't know about. so what could possibly be the connection between the autopsy results of my continuing investigation. that's confusing. >> that sounds like, especially when the body has been cremated, as i understand, so i can think of a reason, under these circumstances, where all the other autopsies have been released as a result of the judicial order, the court order, why this one wouldn't be. >> tucker: what would we learn, do you think, of interest, from an autopsy? >> is interesting, when you have 50 people die, visually seem to have been shot, why do autopsies at all? well, one of the reasons is to recover all the bullets that haveea been fired and to find if there is a bullet that came from a weapon that wasn't in the possession of the shooter, to see if there was a second shooter or possibly, would be

one of the reasons. the bullet we leave behind is a bullet that comes from a f different gun, so that is one of the reasons for the autopsy. the others, and some jurisdiction, not everybody is autopsieds if their shooting is obviously causes a death, in the situation, in my opinion, all bodies should be autopsied, all the injuries identified and issues will come up of conscious pain and suffering and whether there is litigation, for exampl example, and the cause of death is important because one of the things that would immediately come to mind, may be some people dieded of this dmp coming out rather than on bullets. >> tucker: of course. in the case of the shooter, we've been told by authorities he was the only one the hotel room, only one firing the weapon, and he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. those seem like the key

questions. so what else could they beat -- they are hiding the autopsy. what could possibly, can you speculate, what would be their motive for that? >> the only thing is, if there were some issues, they are doing some studies on the brain of the deceased, all the information now coming out about childhood trauma, whether there was a brain issue that may have been contributed to his bizarre behavior. and they may still be looking for certain special stains and chemical analysis of the brain. that could be a reason that it's not completed. but usually the reason that autopsy is not immediately released to the next of kin is to do the chemical analysis to find, is there any toxicological reason -- but in the situation, the time has passed now since october 1st, that any

toxicological examination could have been done. >> tucker: that's a couple of weeks. >> it's unlikely there's a really good reason not to release the paddock to the next of kin, not necessarily to -- >> tucker: i get it. there's something weird going on, though. doctor, thank you for that. i appreciate it. >> good to talk to you, tucker. >> tucker: on episcopal church congregation in washington says america should not our borders. god shouldn't have a gender. this episcopal priest who is behind these changes joins us next. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: episcopalians could at some point be praying to our parent or guardian who art in

heaven, at a convention lest we come up an episcopalian priest declared the city a sanctuary dais, full acceptance of transgender is him, and a full illumination of gendered references to god. this reverend is in charge of saint thomas episcopal church in washington, and he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: this raises a lot ofai question. one of them is about the money of millions of episcopalians no longer with us who didn't believe anything that you proposed, and what does that mean about them? with a big it's? >> . if you are referring to the decline in membership -- >> tucker: i'm not referring to that. the idea that gendered language is unholy, unchristian, should be removed, that's a very new idea. >> that's not exactly what it

says. the resolution says, it draws on multiple images of god, masculine, feminine, and a wide diversity. the scripture, as you alluded to, if we decide to rewrite our prayers, what we use for prayers and worship, we want to draw on that. we don't want to take away anything. we want to add onto it. dra >> tucker: for example, the story of adam and eve kicks off the first volume of the scriptures, a very gendered story. god creates demand and woman, doesn't create anyone else, just those two, and it's from that model that christians haveod understood gender. >> i'm sure you know, too, there is another genesis story in chapter two where god creates adamant he creates a helper and eve is not identified in gender until chapter three. >> tucker: do you think that eve might not have been a woman? >> you know, i wasn't there.

>> tucker: is there any evidence that she wasn't? >> the important thing together away is that the important thing is that god is beyond gender. i think what we are talking about god, we are using language. language limits us, right? we are talking about something that is limitless, god, we are trying to get our heads around. yet, language is all we have in order to do that. in essence, we don't want to limit the language that we use. >> tucker: i don't think that's crazy. when i take streaked on my three straps back, i see a church that embraces any fashionable left-wing cause. if i put "the new york times" editorial page up against your priorities, they are identical, and then i also see a church's membership is completely collapsing, completely, and i wonder if embracing left-wing politics has been bad for the church. >> i don't think you can compare us to everything.

what i saw when we got together at the end of january in washington, a group of faithful christians who pray together, wh even had a wonderful sermon from a baptist minister. encouraged us to follow jesus. i believe that is what we are doing. don't do these things because of my political leanings, whatever they may be. i am faithfully following jesus. he calls us to reach out to people on the margins, and to reach out to everyone. >> tucker: and i embrace that and i think that sincere christians can be liberal. i'm not saying that at all. i drive by your church -- >> i believe sincere christians can be conservatives. >> tucker: i see posters attacking trump, gun control, when i wastr baptized in the church, there were 3.5 million members. there are fewer than 1.7 million. d.c., your church, has dropped 60% or something and the last several years. >> not quite that much. >> tucker: even as a city has

grown. particularly, this purely political method which is what you are selling is at what people are looking for in church. >> i don't believe it's a political message. what we are selling here is trying to more faithfully follow jesus. memberships a very complicated thing.y >> tucker: do you think jesus had views on -- >> what i am saying as membership has declined across denominations, not just the episcopal church. i think we need to keep that in mind. >> tucker: that is true. some denominations have actually grown during the past few years, and none has dropped faster than the episcopal church. >> tucker: i think he would agree with me, though, that as a christian, we should be worriedd about people not attending churches. >> tucker: i couldn't agree more. when i go to church and it literally, aso in your church, t literally could be paul krugman reading this week's editorial, i'm thinking, i can get that at work. maybe there's a point where politics kills the spiritual

message. >> tucker, i would invite you to come to our church or any sunday -- >> tucker: i would be 1 of 75 people and that makes me sad. >> we are continuing to grow. i've been there about a year and as we grow, i think what people are finding as they are for a church that is not judgmental, they are looking for a church that -- >> tucker: really? you have a sign attacking people on the basis of gun control, attacking the president. >> that's not for the sign says. three when i drive by them every day! [laughs] it seems pretty w judgmental. >> you know what my favorite banner is? it says "when jesus says i never said i hated anyone." >> tucker: i like that. thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. new exclusive reporting you'll see on this show this week. we'll give you a preview next. ♪ the corkscrew spin, flawless... ...his signature move, the flying dutchman. poetry in motion.

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