handling all these breaking news stories sent to. that's "the story" for tonight. jam-packed one as can you tell. have a great weekend. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. there is an awful lot going on. just moments ago the white house released a letter saying the president is inclined to declassify that democratic committee memo and will work with the house intelligence committee to see if they can come up with a lea releasable version of it much redacted. that is not the only breaking news tonight. the russia story has suddenly become an fbi story and moving faster than anyone anticipated. just a year ago all the smarts people were mocking donald trump for being insane enough to suggest the obama administration surveilled or as he put it wiretapped his campaign. what a paranoid luna particular they said get off

twitter. yeah, we now what actually happened. the question at this point is how many people in trump's orbit weren't spied on by the fbi? trump advisor carter page was placed under government surveillance in the fall of 2016 after the feds used uncorroborated claims from the trump dossier to justify a fisa warrant. we know from congressional testimony that page spoke with trump advisor, trump campaign manager steve bannon while he was being spied on. meaning that bannon was likely spied on, too. tonight, based on our own reporting, we can tell you that carter page also sent email messages to members of the trump campaign during that same period. presumably the fbi intercepted those as well. suddenly it looks like the obama administration may have spied on a significant portion of the trump campaign team. just how many people were surveilled and to what extent? how much did president obama know about it? we still tonight have the answers to those questions. though we definitely have the right to them. oh, no, we don't, say

democrats. asking questions is a sign of disloyalty to this country. the very people who once told us that spying absolutely never happened are now telling us that spying was perfectly justified and normal. wife? because russia. okay. buff the funny thing is almost all of the russian collusion evidence unearthed recently implicates democrats. not the trump campaign. yesterday we learned that, for example, senator mark warner of virginia was secretly sending text messages to a lobbyist for a russian oligarch in hope of making contact with the dossier author christopher steele. warner tried to hide that correspondence. i would, quote, not rather have a paper trail he texted the oligarch's lobbyists. traditionally in washington, anyway, no paper trail is not an indicator of transparency. in fact, it's a sign of wrongdoing. now, we are not saying that senator warner ought to resign his seat and face treason charges and we are not saying that because we are not hysterical liberals willing to poison our

international relations and misuse the justice system just for cheap political ends. we do think that warner's behavior is worth knowing more about. and so by the way a remarkable "new york times" story just published about 40 minutes ago. that story alleges within the last year american intelligence agencies paid a spy apparently a spy working for the russian government $100,000 in american takes dollars in exchange for unverified and possibly fabricated information about president trump. now, why would our intelligence agencies use our money to do something like that? why would they do anything like that under any circumstances and by the way what was the information they gathered used for? none of that is clear at this hour. here's what is clear right now. the bottom line in what we learned this whole week, the one thing worth taking away from a dramatic week in washington is this: the obama administration spied on a rival political campaign. there had better be a

legitimate reason for doing that increasingly it looks like there wasn't. fox news chief national correspondent ed henry joins us with more on that russia intel story. ed? >> tucker, this is just breaking this hour. the "new york times" reporting that a shadowy russian tricked american spy out of 100 grand last year. they promised not just information on donald trump but to deliver stolen national security agency cyber weapons in a deal that this shadowy russian insisted would also include, yes, compromising material on the president. sounds like a spy knoll. the nsa has been devastated by losing the secret hacking toolings. they delivered the cash in a suitcase to a berlin hotel room in september. supposed to be the first installment of a million-dollar payout. here's the kicker. the russian claimed the information would link the president and his associates to russia. but, instead of providing the hacking tools, the russians produced unverified and possibly fabricated information involving mr. trump and others. bank records, emails, purported russian intelligence data. sounds a little bit like the steele dossier.

several u.s. intel officials tell us tonight they made clear they did not want the trump material from the russians. they are insisting they have never wanted this. he was suspected of having murky ties into russian intel. it sounds like u.s. intel officials are spinning after the fact because they were in negotiations. the nsa even used its official twitter account nearly a dozen times to send out coded messages to this russian. the russians eagerness to sell the dirt raised suspicion on american spies because it was part of an operation to feed the information out into the united states intelligence community and pit u.s. intel officials against mr. trump. it was confusing because at one point this russian dropped his asking price to $10 million to jus$10 million ta million dollars. then he showed a 15 second clip of a video showing a man in a room talking to two women. he claimed it was mr. trump. but there was really no way to confirm that it was mr. trump with two women. it was a grainy video.

it had no audio. we are told these officials were shown the video in the russian embassy in berlin. so this sound like a spy novel. as you were just saying the president some time ago was suggesting that some u.s. intelligence officials were outs to get him. people said this is crazy. that wouldn't happen. but now the "times" is reporting tonight a remarkable story suggesting that they were willing to pay a million dollars to potentially get dirt on the president. u.s. intelligence officials. they gave $100,000, the first installment and the shadowy russian went away without any dirt on the president. tucker? >> tucker: pretty i couldn't know believable. shocking. very badly written story. long time advisor to hillary clinton. deputy assistant under obama and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: i have to ask you to the extent you know about this story that just broke but the lot line is our intelligence community paid $100,00100,000 apparently a rusn

agent salacious information unverified likely false about president trump. that doesn't seem standard. >> well, you know what? i think it's a couple things while it does sound like a spy novel it's nonfiction. it's what we are living through. i think the intelligence agencies often have to pay people who are not great to get information. we paid $8 million to find out who the worst spy in fbi history was, robert happenson. i think we paid $25 million to locate khalid sheikh mohammed. >> tucker: for sure. i'm glad we did. >> i'm glad, too. this is an example of it working because i don't know when. you haven't heard about it that's because it was debunked exactly as ed was saying. >> tucker: look, there is a lot we don't know and i don't want to presume anything ever. but the bottom line is, our government paid $100,000 of our money to buy fake salacious material that the president, what would be the national security reason for doing that?

>> i think the bottom line is that the president's campaign was stocked with people, starting with carter page, who, by the way, was under fbi surveillance going back to 2013. nothing to do with the president's campaign. his contacts warranted multiple surveillance warrants, starting in october of 2016. four more times and mind you, do the math. four more times takes you into the trump administration. >> tucker: i'm aware of that you like a lot of people who have abandoned concerns about civil liberties are assuming because someone is under surveillance he has done something wrong whereas i would argue that the onus is on the government to explain why you are spying on americans. >> i think most people agree with you. i certainly agree with you and the fisa court has a very high bar. >> tucker: it actually doesn't. we know that because almost no applications for fisa warrants are turned down. >> very few ever made because everyone knows. >> tucker: this is the chicken and the egg. the truth is they are almost never turned down. we know in this case the dossier was the backbone of

the request. it was the first thing in the q we do know that and a we know the dossier by the fbi's own description flakey document whose contents they could not verify. bottom line does it bother you. >> if i said during the obama administration that the bush administration the bush administration during the campaign had spied on spied on boston of members obama campaign team. >> they were suspected russian agents. >> tucker: what if a year and a half later there was evidence there were no russian agents? would you say jeesh, before you spy on a rival political campaign using the fbi, you know, you better be sure have you got good reason. >> interesting argument. is carter page part of the trump campaign or not? you make it sound like he was the running mate, except when it comes to his contacts. >> tucker: he didn't have anything to do with the trump campaign. >> it's not looking at the trump campaign. >> tucker: no, no. here's the point. look, carter page, this show excliewngely learned today emailed abulbasher of in people on the trump campaign. >> it's called surveillance. if you are surveying carter

page who never got paid, he says he never met trump. trump says he never met him. whatever, i wasn't there that's what we know about it i don't think he was integral to the campaign he had contact with people on the campaign. all of his conversations both written and verbal were being surveilled by the federal government. >> that's what surveillance is. the toe taghts of what you are doing. >> tucker: the obama administration is spying on the trump campaign. >> no. they are not. the obama administration thankfully took this very seriously. they went and got a warrant on someone. the warrant was based on george papadopoulos. the dossier was part of the warrant. the warrant was primarily. >> tucker: that's not true. that's not true. but the point is i'm just saying. let's be totally honest here. the obama administration spying on the trump campaign, maybe there is an awesome reason for it no one has explained that yet. but you assume that it's totally fine. you would not assume it was totally fine it was flipped around, would you. >> i would assume -- i happen to trust our government. i n know these days that's not

a savvy threatening to say. whether it's president bush or president obama. fisas started in earnest after 9/11. we all learned it was important. if american citizens are in some way acts as a foreign agent, then they are fair game. i'm sorry they are fair game. >> tucker: you have to prove that they are and they didn't and by the way there is no reason based on everything we have learned in the past couple weeks to have child like faith in our intelligence agencies and i don't think it's a good idea. >> bare in mind with carter page it was renewed every 90 days three times. >> tucker: let's see the applications. >> i'm happy for that unfortunately live i don't control it. >> tucker: i don't either. fleet, thank you. >> no, thank you, tucker. >> tucker: kikim strassel is on the editorial board. i wants your reaction since you cover this. we learned in the "new york times" piece 50 minutes ago that u.s. intel agencies under the trump administration paid 100 grand to get salacious information and apparently

false information on trump. does that sound kind of just like normal business as usual to you? >> no. it does not. because as was just noted, one thing to go out and spend money potentially getting information on a sworn enemy of the united states. it's another to go out and spend $100,000 trying to get information on the commander-in-chief. >> tucker: yeah, i mean presumably, according to the "times" piece it wasn't information suggested he was selling secrets to anybody. it was information of a sexual nature probably not even true. like it's also irrelevant. let me ask you this, do you find it striking that the very people who a year ago said anyone who claims trump was spied on by the trump administration nut case. those same people are now telling us yeah, of course, it's totally normal for one administration to spy on a rival presidential campaign like no big deal.

>> this is the story of this entire investigation, tucker. first we are told that the dossier republican funder. turns out it was republican campaign and dnc. then we are told couldn't possibly be used as part of a fisa warrant. turns out it was. then we are told it made big part of it. it turns out it was the main piece. now we are told it doesn't really matter because it wasn't really spying on the trump campaign. it was spying on a man who already left the campaign, only that's not true either. it turns out it was used to end up following the conversations of carter page in whoever else he might have been talking to. steve bannon who has been mentioned is potentially only one. there could be many other people that they managed to capture because of this. >> tucker: so how can -- i mean, it seems to me it's critical in order to restore faith in government that we know the details here or else, you know, in a vacuum created by ignorance conspiracy theories grow. so how do we get to the bottom of what actually happened? >> well, you know, look, for

instance, at what happened when senator grassley put out a less redacted version of his referral letter of a criminal investigation of christopher steele. you know, we were told none of that could come out, it would damage sources, methods, highly classified. you look at it and you find out that the only thing that was, in fact, we americans with disabilities acted was information that was highly scandalous and hurtful to the fbi that undermined it and the justice department. so my question is why shouldn't we put out these fisa applications? let's put out all the documents and see where the skeletons are and we can be careful of sources and methods. this has now become a force of he said, she said. american public deserves to see it and judge it with their own eyes. >> tucker: yeah, the embarrassment of federal bureaucrats is not justification for keeping something secret. it doesn't belong to them. they don't open these documents. they belong to us. so, kim strassel, thanks for reminderrinreminderring of us o. that was great.

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>> tucker: federal law has long stipulated that immigrants cannot arrive in the united states and receive permanent residency if they become, quote, public charges who depend upon welfare, of course we learned optional. the trump administration is looking to change that the administration is drafting

legislation penalize immigrants for receiving welfare programs head start chip and children's health insurance program. the left of course is howling. former press secretary for the democratic national committee and he joins us tonight. jose, thanks for coming on. >> good to be here. >> tucker: what i find so interesting about the complaints here is that i know from doing the show every night and speaking to immigration advocates there are no immigrants on welfare. they are the most impressive people in our society. add the most to our economy. hardest working. none is a drain on the system. so, given that, i think have you told me that, too. who cares if it's illegal for them to go on welfare? why would they be on welfare this they are adding so much to our economy. >> this is the issue, tucker. and it's this. we shouldn't be punishing immigrants, legal immigrants, right, who pay taxes into our economy. number one, if they are paying taxes they should be able to have benefits of social programs such as head start. we are now going to punish. >> tucker: why? why should they? >> let me tell you. we are now going to punish, you as a children, -- u.s.

children born in this country, we are not going to allow them to come into head start because parents, legal immigrants are not going to want to put them in programs like head start because they are afraid they will be deported. >> tucker: i'm sure there have a lot of immigrants who want these programs. i get it, they will be unhappy with it. but the point is pleasing american citizens since it's our country and not ours. >> still u.s. citizens. it's their country, too. >> tucker: the truth is, we can probably figure out how to do that for the children. but i'm not talking -- i mean, you are picking a tiny percentage of. this it's an important percentage. >> tucker: figure out a fix. most immigrant families are on welfare. this is one of the things that like advocates like you never admit when they're lecturing so much more impressive than you are. most are. if you brake it down by country the last numbers i have from 2009, the federal numbers, but some countries like 70% of the immigrants are on welfare. so, why would you be in favor of that if you are an american citizen? bringing people in and putting them right on

benefits that is not the american dream that we hear about at all. >> look, the immigration system in the united states is clearly broken. if you want to come and apply the legal way in the united states you already undergo a bunch of tests define if you are going to be a public charge. if you are go going to come into the united states you should not be a public charge you and i agree on that. what the president is doing wrong he is expanding -- making it even harder for immigrants. >> tucker: here are the numbers. >> to assimilate. >> tucker: maybe you will change your mind on this. this is from the current population survey from march 2010, okay? here are the numbers from mexico. mexico is the country that sends the most immigrants to the united states by far. 74.7% as of 2009 immigrants from mexico are on some form of welfare in the united states. round up. that's 75% of all immigrants from mexico are on some kind of welfare. that's ridiculous. so, and i think you just said you agreed that that was ridiculous. >> we can change that. >> tucker: fix that right now and say look if you want

to be here and add to the sum total of the economy, great. you can't go and go on our social programs. you can't have open borders and welfare state, right. >> you and i agree on this. here is the issue. u.s. citizen children are being punished because this revelation. >> tucker: then take -- the kids go to go head start which by the way has never been shown to work in 50 years. i'm not sure why you want that, but honestly. whatever, let's talk about the real problem which is the majority of immigrants are on welfare. why would any country put up with that and why would the left defend it? i'm totally confused. >> we are a country of laws and we are a country of immigrants. majority of immigrants in this country are not criminals. you know that. >> tucker: i'm not saying they are criminals. i'm not sailing the majority are criminals. the majority are on welfare. that's not healthy. whole idea you move here and take advantage of the tiewngts. >> we are now going to make it harder for them to assimilate in the country. that doesn't make any sense. >> tucker: going on welfare is not assimilation it's

dependency. why would we import people from other countries on welfare. that's insane, isn't it. >> i understand what you are getting at. the put forth not doing the point you want to make. the point we are trying to makes a democrats children are being punished. punish immigrants because they are poor. >> tucker: punish them because they are poor. they are coming to our country. >> in search of a better life. >> tucker: search of better life and going on welfare programs? are you joking? this is not the bring us your poor, tired, huddled masses where people come poor and work their way up in a tech company in silicon valley. this is like the opposite of what we want. i think you would agree but you are defending it for some reason i don't know why. >> coming from a bad place. anti-immigrant racist agenda. >> tucker: when you guys have nothing left to say it's race. if you don't give us everything we want you are

racist. i want to move to mexico and accusing the authorities there of racism because they are not giving me free stuff. seriously. >> i'm talking about a president that has. >> tucker: i don't care what the president. i'm a an american. i have a right to have some say, every american citizen does. >> we all do, right. >> tucker: and like this is insane. it's not whether whether the president is a racist or not. that's not a real answer, is it. >> the answer is let's end chain migration as you guys like to call. end the visa lottery and destroy the immigration system and deport 11 million people. >> tucker: we should have control who lives here. i mean it why wouldn't you? we are a country. means we should deport people who shouldn't be here. >> you and i agree. >> tucker: you don't. you are not being honest. we don't agree because you say trump is a racist. >> he is. >> tucker: whatever. george soros was at davos. try to read that in a script. two weeks ago he blasted tech companies for hurting the world.

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greatest political role model, which is confusing, which is why we called tammy bruce the new york radio show host to sort it all out for us tonight. what does that mean. >> it means obviously kirsten gillibrand doesn't know what she is talking about or operating exclusively politically. look, hillary clinton is the enabler of bill clinton. she is, of course now we know revealed as someone who protected a sexual harasser and disrupted the work life of the victim in order to shield that individual. it's a remarkable admission. and, yet, of course, it's completely political. if kirsten gillibrand cared about the issues, she couldn't even really associate with the clintons. she is denying in this interview coming up, by the way, tucker. she has asked if she's spoken to the clintons. she wouldn't answer that but then that's when she said she admired hillary clinton. so it's very strange. she doesn't want to say that she is seeking to them. but that she needs to be able to at least give her

some compliments. it could be that there is no leadership in the democratic party and kirsten is wondering what kind of national base could she latch on to for this. >> tucker: right. >> that probably is part of it. but i think she should be careful about being seen as a public face of the me too movement which now is becoming completely politicized and i think that's bad news for that movement. >> tucker: so she obviously thinks she is going to be president. she is running for president. this interview is part of the pr preparatory for that. it seems like maybe everyone running for president should take at least one lesson from the trump campaign which is voters will put up with a lot if they think you are being honest. phoniness is transparent. nobody likes it, nobody appreciates it why hasn't she learned that? it just seems so false to me. >> i think because there are bubbles. she a new york democrat. she might not see herself as president but perhaps as vice president. she is setting herself up to move beyond. clearly the democrats are diluted. if their leadership are the

clintons, no wonder they are in trouble. she sees that somehow this is some way to move herself ahead of the game. in california, there is a democrat, a woman who is also the face of the me too movement who has now taken leave because of sexual harassment allegations against her by men. so, we're looking at a very unique dynamic. but i think the american people see through it and i think kirsten gillibrand is in for a little bits of a wake-up call. >> tucker: irony goes on. tammy bruce, have a great weekend. >> my pleasure. thank you, dear. >> tucker: george soros was in davos last week, of course. he called the big tech companies like google and facebook a menace to society. he is right about that. then he kept going. he said the current administration in washington is not just bad for the country, it's an existential threat to sizzles its civilization itself. steve hilton hosts the

revolution at 9 on sundays. he joins us with his assessment. hey, steve. >> it's soloffable. look, we both agree with soros that the tech companies are a menace to society. but he forgot to tell us that he invest you had in the tech companies. >> tucker: ,. >> it is soloffable. the things he said were so offensive to me i can get away with this because i, like george soros, am a hungarian. can i call him hungarian hypocrite. not just for the fact that he criticizes the tech companies while investing in them. he went on about gambling while back in the u.k. when i got my start in politics. he made his billions gambling in the foreign exchange markets which crashed the economy and caused untold misery more unless of people. when it comes to this question of the open society that he argues donald trump is wrecking, he really should know better because he and i share experience of that. communism in hungary that's

a real attack on the open society. disgusting for him to make that comparison. >> tucker: it is disgusting. but behavior over decades as you pointed out. since you tolle followed this gy pretty closely and i think you are great at big-picture things. we just learned that he is paying, giving campaign money to district attorney praises around the country. is he doing a lot of other things. what ties them all together? what does he want for america? what's the point of all of this? >> i think -- you know what i really think is the simple answer to that? i think it's guilt. i think he is guilty at the way he made his money. he is trying to atone for that a lot of the liberal elites are exact let in that position. again it comes hypocrisy. hungarian hypocrite. he lined all others judge gorsuch up and down and evil coke brothers he is doing

exactly. this it's not that he is supporting rather obscure candidate in race across country. is he covering it up. those donations are not made public to the electorate before the election. >> tucker: good point. >> this is exactly the kind of corruption in politics that the rest of the time they love to condemn. i took a look by the way, tucker, the candidates certainly didn't want to recognize the contribution of her big benefactor. she said thank you to a lot of people after her campaign. sherri murphy your help was major. her local process family, the euro network. and wait for it, tucker, your gave rift publication teen foggy. it hanks teen rogue pete pete i would take teen vogue every day. pete pete everything that soros pays for in this country makes america weaker and more divided. that seems to be a connection to me. steve hilton great to see you. his show is every sunday

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reported antidepressant use. yet the nation's suicide rate has surged and the country doesn't seem to be that much happier than countries that have far fewer drugs in circulation. that raises the question are we thinking about depression in the wrong way the author of lost connections, you think covering the real causes of depression and the unexpected solutions the book that unexpectedly has become the center of a lot of debates and sold quite well. he joins us. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: this book has been very controversial in the best way forced a conversation where there should have been one years ago. summarize for us what is the case you are making about antidepressant. >> since most of the book is not about antidepressants why we are in such pain in the first place. i think that everyone watching the show knows that they have natural physical needs, right? you need water, you need food. you need shelter. if i took them away from you, you would be in real trouble real fast. equally strong evidence

human beings have natural psychological needs. overwhelming evidence. have you got to feel you belong. have you got to feel your life has meaning and purpose. have you got to feel that people see you and value you. have you got to feel there is a future that makes sense to you. our culture is good at lots of things. very strong evidence we have been getting less and less at meeting people's deep psychological needs. that he is one of the key drivers of this depression and anxiety crisis. when i was a teenager and i went to my doctor and real sense of profound pain, my doctor told me totally biological story why i was depressed just due to chemical imbalance in my brain. i drugged myself for 13 years. i remains dressed. doing experience. guest. so striking to me when i

went and traveled all over the world into the leading experts in the world about what really causes depression and aption anxiety. whawhat solves them. response those do exist. for the overwhelming majority maybe it has to do with the way we are living. >> if you are depressed and anxious, you are not crazy. you are not a machine with broken parts. you are a human being with unmet needs. going to sound a lit strange in the abstract. obvious example that connects people immediately. study that asks the average american how many close friends do you have that you could call on on a crisis. started years ago. most common answer five. today the most common answer is none. so we are. >> tucker: none. >> not the average most common answer. we become the lowliest society ever been. what i want to look at what what are antidepressants for these nine deep underlying causes of solution to these problems. there is a doctor in east london called sam, had loads of patients coming to him acutely depressed and anxious. he felt really uncomfortable because he had been told in

his training even though he knew the science was much more sophisticated chem cam imbalanced. hes is is not opposed to you the drug but not solving problems. acutely lonely. a woman came lisa cunningham shoin her home seven years. i'm going to prescribe something else. i'm going to sprib for you to take group. area scrub land. we will come and support you. i want you to meet with a group of depressed and anxious people twice a week. we will turn this into a beautiful garden. they met over weeks and months and lisa put to to me as the garden began to bloom we began to bloom. study of a similar program more that than twice as effective than chemical depressants. people are trying anti-depressants are about dealing with the deep and sociological decisions why we feel isolated in the first place. >> tucker: everything you said so obvious to me.

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>> tucker: time now for final exam where we pit two news professionals here at fox against one another to determine who has been paying closer attention to the news of the past week. our three-time defending champion here for a fourth week carley shimkus, fox news headline 24/7 reporter and contributor to "fox & friends." her challenger this week, fox chief national correspondent ed henry. >> big title. >> tucker: on this show last night in a very different title car car he is a heavyweight. >> literally. >> tucker: no one has been able to stop carley so far. put your hands on the buzzer. i ask the questions. first one to buzz in gets to answer. wait until i finish the question to do that. every correct answer is worth a point. get it wrong we subtract a point. best of five wins. ready? >> i think we can handle that. >> good luck. >> thank you.

>> tucker: a 13-year-old went viral during justin timberlake's halftime show during the super bowl because he seemed very distracted. what was he doing? ed henry? >> he was on his phone. he took a selfie with justin timberlake but there was something, he was watching a video and it broke down or something so he got teased. >> tucker: that's a long answer. >> he was on ellen. i saw him on ellen. >> tucker: we will roll the tape and find out. >> meals of 13-year-old ryan mckenna stealing the spotlight poking fun at the teenager for staring at his phone too much while the pop star was right next to him. >> the kid should have taken a selfie with justin behind him and put the phone down and enjoyed the show. just like we all do everyone has to have their phone and tape everything. >> tucker: that's a very unclear answer. >> no. i dispute that. >> tucker: are judges are saying he got it. >> he was on his phone. he said on ellen or good morning america that he was watching a video and said he got teased because the phone broke down.

>> tucker: you are watching both ellen and good morning america? >> yes. >> tucker: let's talk later. question two, a world leader made news this week when he chastised a woman for using the phrase mankind which is a sexist phrase in his country. this leader recommends more inclusive terms like people kind. who was it? >> wait, she did it -- he hadn't finished. >> all right. >> tucker: judges? >> he finished says the judges. >> that would be canadian prime minister justin trudeau. >> tucker: not justin timberlake trufn trudeau. >> the other j.t. >> tucker: here we go. prime minister justin trudeau is really serious about making canadians watch their language. >> that tellematernal love is the love that's going to change the future of mankind. >> we like to say people kind not necessarily mankind. that's more inclusive. >> yes. >> very inclusive. is he a inclusive guy.

>> tucker: let me just say that our judges, i'm not sure why they make the decisions they do. but you don't ask those kind of questions. these is very hierarchal show the judges are in charge. >> certain number of challenges. >> tucker: no, i don't. i never challenge. question three, which 77-year-old lawmaker just set a record for the longest continuous speech nut history of the house of representatives causing some of her colleagues to dozen off in their chairs? carley shimkus? >> that would be nancy pelosi. >> tucker: nancy pelosi. i don't think she is 77 but we'll find out. check the tape. >> and nancy pelosi, oh, she punishes i mean promotes the dreamers with a marathon 8-hour speech. good for her. 4-inch heels, too. come early. >> even democrats aren't happy with the minority leader's performance. one of nancy's colleagues fell asleep during the speech. >> that's understandable, right? >> tucker: our judges concede the sort of back end of this, can you see the

metrics say that you buzzed in just milliseconds before your competitor. >> so it doesn't count. >> tucker: it does counseled. >> so you can break the rules? >> no i was complimenting. >> reaction. >> bend the rules. >> tucker: she is fast. question four, two to one. billionaire elon musk just launched a tesla roadster into space with man can in the driver's seat because he can do whatever he wants. headed for the track but what was its original destination? ed henry? >> mars, the orbit and mars. >> tucker: mars, the orbit around mars. all right. let's check the tape. >> and just for fun. the pay load on the test flight was a brand new electric tesla roadster which is now heading to the mars orbit. star man astronaut dummy in the driver's seat three cameras to provide epic views. >> tucker: that is correct. by the way our judges said they admired the precision

in which you answered it. the mars or the orbit around. >> casting a wide net. >> tucker: third week in a row carley has come to sudden death. two to two. winner of this takes the award. >> i'm nervous. >> tucker: final question. another example of tech changing everything. best buy, the company, announced this week that they would no longer be selling which music related product? >> oh. ed henry. >> cds. >> tucker: that's pretty authoritative. >> it's not 8 tracks. >> tucker: cds. >> arrested cog to report in billboard best buy has just told music suppliers had will pull cds from its stores come july 1st. >> tucker: wow. there you go. carley shimkus. >> let him have it. such a nice. >> tucker: if you are going to lose to someone it should be a nice guy.

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