for 17 families who are waiting for more tonight in terms of information with what happened to their loved ones. nuc these people's family is hugging and spending time together. we wish them all well tonight. took her collar sign next. >> tucker: this is a fox news alert as you have seen tonight, a school in parkland, florida has been devastated by the rampage of a mass shooter, 17 people have been killed, the gunman opened fire at marjory stoneman douglas high school this afternoon. the distance that suspected shooter is nikolas cruz, still alive taken away in a ambulance. eyewitnesses have described him to reporters today. >> we heard gunshots and am going up and down the hallway, he shot in my door. shot in my door, and we heard it. >> i heard gunshots and then after when the police let us out there were dead bodies everywhere. >> there was a lot of blood

everywhere and bodies. >> he could have shot through the door, a couple of people next to me. i was sitting right next to a cabinet in the bullets got a girl next to me. >> tucker: fox news correspondent phil keating's life in florida at the scene. phil. >> good evening, tucker, a crushing day specifically for the 17 families whose sons and daughters all dead tonight. all shot to this afternoon, allegedly by this 19-year-old former student of marjory stoneman douglas high school which is behind me about a quarter of a mile. we are as close as anybody that the media or public can get to the school. of 12 bodies remain inside that school at this hour. the school remains a crime scene and will remain so all night long. and into tomorrow morning. it will be up to the medical examiner when those 12 bodies

are removed. the sheriff, scott israel of broward county, a populist county here in south florida, this is the six largest school district in the county. this is the worst school shooting ever in this county. the sheriff would not confirm of the 17 fatalities how many were students, whether ages were or if there were any teachers also in the mix as well. 15 others were taken and treated at area hospitals inside the school the sheriff laid it out like this, 12 people shot and killed inside the school. two outside of the school, a third shot and killed down the road from the school. and two others died while being treated for their incredibly serious wounds at area hospitals. of the 19-year-old suspect according to the sheriff, no motive to share at this point, but he was equipped with magazine full of bullets, and ar-15 semi assault right. weapon and

was wearing a gas mask, had smoke grenades on him and pulled the fire alarm first so that he could shoot students and teachers as they fled into the hallways. >> tucker: phil, thank you for that. rebecca bogard is a senior at marjory stoneman douglas high school. she was inside a classroom when the windows were shot out, she joins us tonight. thank you for joining us. what did you hear? >> i was in class and the freshman building, and i heard gunshots, and i did not want to react, because i was not sure what that was. and it was like, we just automatically knew when we heard that to go into hiding, because no one in my class had ever heard that before. so we all went and hid under the teachers desk. >> tucker: what did your teacher do when the shots began?

>> at first we thought it was a drill, and normally the teachers knew if it was a drill, and she looked concerned. so we were trying to stay calm hiding. most of the class tried to stay behind her desk and there were ten kids on the other side by the computer cart near the window. and the teacher had her phone. we had seen her for a while, she was on her walking and talking to administration. she was on the phone with the police and we all stayed calm and tried to relax, nobody knew what was happening. >> tucker: how long did the shots go on would you say? >> for a while, i feel like 10 minutes, we heard it at first and we were hiding and we knew it was real when they saw the bullets, the shots go through the window and glass shattered everywhere. a couple of kids in my class got

hit. >> tucker: where were you? >> i was hiding with the teacher and a couple of students by her desk. hiding away from the window. >> tucker: were the students in your class badly injured? >> i don't know how bad, it was hard to see, but when i saw them leaving, there was just a lot of blood. they were pretty calm about it, but it was really traumatic to watch. >> tucker: that is just awful. did you know the man accused of doing this? >> i do not. >> tucker: had you heard his name or were you aware of him? >> i had heard his name before, but i did not know, i think that he works at one of the local stores here, so when i saw the picture i knew that he looked familiar, but i did not know much about him.

>> tucker: what kind of store is it? >> the dollar store. >> tucker: the dollar store. interesting. have you gone through drills for a situation like this? >> yes, we were pretty prepared, we know to stay away from windows and everything, but we were trying to do that, but once the bullets went through the window and the glass shattered, we knew it was the real thing that this is not a drill or anything, and when people got hit, they were screaming in panic mode. they did not know what to do, so we try to keep everyone quiet and as quick as we could, we wanted everybody to remain calm at the time. i did not know that any students were shot and then someone told me in my class that was sitting next to me, but the bullets were extremely loud, nothing that i had ever heard before. >> tucker: did you text your parents from the classroom?

>> i did not have my phone at the time, but my parents knew. so afterwards the s.w.a.t. team came and asked how many people were injured or if there were any deaths or injuries. we told them how many students, i think there were 30 students in our class. so we all lined up one by one, walked out, we had to run as far as we could and we ought to stay calm. it was really hard walking everyone, people were crying and there was a lot of blood everywhere leaving the hallway, looking on the floor and seeing blood and kids, it was just such a scary scene. >> tucker: when did your parents find out that you were okay? >> once i left, my backpack and everything is still in class. my car as they are my keys, i just grabbed my phone and ran. and my mom called me a bunch of times. i was not answering, so she was

worried, but i called her as i was walking away. i was with a bunch of kids so i felt safe and walked as far as i could. >> tucker: you are so calm right now, i cannot imagine seeing something like that. how do you feel? >> before i was shaking, the entire time i was shaking, but now i am still in shock right now. it is unbelievable to actually think that this happened here at marjory stoneman douglas. >> tucker: have you ever felt threatened there before? >> no, never. i know that the staff trained us, and is really good at training us for anything, tornado drill, hurricane drill, especially this. i think that everybody reacted well, and the teachers had the door locked, so that was good. >> tucker: was your teacher calm the whole time? >> my teacher was pretty calm. she was on the phone and being

quiet on the phone. so herbie and calm kept us all calm. but we are all there for each other and cuddled up together holding hands. >> tucker: what a horrifying experience you have lived through. rebecca bogart, thank you for sharing that with us. >> thank you. >> tucker: a former nypd officer and secret service agent, joining us from florida. dan, what do we know about this? >> it appears that this student had some knowledge of the school being a former student there. probably allowing them to take advantage of the terrain features. involved in an attack like this, as horrific as it is, the ability to know what is around the next corner was probably beneficial to him. and it speaks to another issue here which is that access control, his familiarity with the school and the grounds enabled him to access the grounds. it is something i have said

repeatedly that inflating access control with security is a big mistake. a ticket is an access device to a football game, but it is not security. those are two different things. >> tucker: this is the rare shooting where the suspect is still alive. do you think we will be able to get answers to some of the questions that all of us have which is why would someone do something like this? i think it is a real question. will be no more this time? >> i hope so, tucker. i used to be a secret service agent. we did an exhaustive study on school shootings, because targeted violence and an assassination attempt of a president or a political figure which is targeted violence and targeted violence at schools share commonalities. so the secret service looks at the psychologic community and mental health community to research this. to this deranged guy may be an

invaluable source of information to prevent this kind of thing in the future. they came away with a lot of material to pass on to schools administrators. it is a valuable study. >> tucker: what was the profile to the extent that there is one. each case is unique, but is there a thread that ties them together. >> one of the interesting threads and pieces of information that they came away with was the preattack notifier and behavioral pattern was very similar, tucker. a large majority of these school shooters had told someone about the plan in some form of advance. i get it, if you see something, say something a thousand truck was. it has almost become that people yapped it off, but you think somebody may be depressed. listen, we may have a problem here. it does not mean that that

person will be arrested. they may just be depressed. but to the fact that the school shooters, these preattacked no dividers were there in advance and no one said anything was one of the deeply disturbing parts of the report that i read. >> tucker: so like explicitly saying i'm going to shoot up a school? >> yes, there is one particular example where the attacker was in a balcony area actually telling a student that this would be a good spot for me to engage. and apparently nothing was passed on. so it is not uncommon at all. just like you would see an assassination attempt, there are attempts to scope out the area in advance and look for ingress and egress points, these are things that should set off alarms amongst administrators and schools. >> tucker: always in the wake of something like this there is a lot of discussion on the internet, not much of it goes on the television, but about the

effect and potential effect of drugs on this kind of behavior, a lot of these kids seem like there is medication or they are medicated in some way or another. it did the secret service find that a commonality? >> there is not a strong link between mental health issues, which surprises a lot of people and targeted violence. it is not a 90% correlation. having said that, it is there. and that i think there is a strong debate in the mental health community that has been going on for generations drugs and what about violent video games and the culture? but the question has always been do violent video games cause kids to be violent or are naturally violent kids attracted to violent video games? the answer is i don't know. but let me tell you this, tucker, it ain't helping. it is not helping bathing our kids in the culture in violence. at a minimum, we know that.

it may not be the cause, but it is definitely not helping. >> tucker: it would be nice to get to the bottom of that. it seems like an important question. dan bongino, thank you very much. jim gard is a math teacher at the school and he taught the suspect last year. thank you for coming on. >> hi, how are you doing? >> tucker: well, you are the first person we have spoken to that new the suspect personally in your class. what was your view of him? >> i only had him for a semester between august and december of 2016, from what i can remember. i'm just looking at my computer, i will have to look a little bit later to be 100% sure. he was really quiet, nothing outstanding. a couple of emails from admins regarding him, but i can get

into my computer and see if they had anything highlighted that i can remember. >> tucker: let me put it this way, when he saw his face on television and read his name, did you think, i am shocked by this? or did you think of the kids that i teach, maybe this is not the most surprising suspect? >> i did not see his face on television yet, we were in lockdown with no tvs on. i heard the name from some of my students when we were in the lockdown. and i was like, oh, wow, i had him in class. and then the police came and got us out of our room. so in my shock, i hate to say it, nowadays with all of the school shootings, nothing is shocking anymore. and that is horrible. >> tucker: it is horrible. maybe the most horrible part of all of this. so you were at the school today, tell us what happened to you. >> pardon? >> tucker: tell us your

experience today at the school. >> okay, we had a fire drill this morning at 9:30. so when the fire alarm went off again at 2:20ish i just finished wrapping up with my kids -- >> tucker: i think that we have lost jim guard, we are speaking to a math teacher at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida, he taught a math class that had the suspect in it. if we get reconnected, we will put them back on. but nicole is a reporter in miami, on the scene in parkland, right now. nicole, what do you know? >> well, we can tell you that it has been an extremely sad day here in parkland. to give you a little bit of an idea, parkland is west of fort lauderdale, the type of community that people go to to be safe.

the school system is excellent, a low crime rates, so this is something that was so surprising, any time anything like this happens of course, but 17 people as you now know, teachers and students, we have not received a breakdown yet all passing away today as a result of the shooting. now as you have been talking about nikolas cruz, so far the sheriff is saying that they are combing through his social media and trying to figure out why this 19-year-old who did attend an alternative school at one point was expelled from marjory stoneman douglas high school, why he would have come back to the school and did what he did. we know that 12 bodies remain inside of the school at this hour so far. to the last time we spoke to the sheriff a little while ago no identities had been established much less family is being notified. they actually had to go through the school with a s.w.a.t. team members who tried to clear all

of the classrooms and make sure that everyone was safe and then they went in again with the bomb squad, because this young man, according to the sources that we are hearing from the federal government who have briefed senators marco rubio and bill nelson, apparently the young man walked in wearing a gas mask, pulled a fire alarm to try to get as many kids out into the hallway as possible before he pulled the trigger of the ar-15. so he clearly was trying to take down as many victims as he possibly could. as we know, 17 people have died. there are several in the hospital as well fighting for their lives. you know, oddly in this case, many times these people who do these sort of things, they kill themselves before anyone can get any answers, in this case it is different. he has been taken into custody, so now they are hoping that they might actually get some answers.

>> tucker: nicole, if i can clarify one thing, and i hate to be ghoulish, but you said that the 12 bodies remain unidentified and unclaimed inside the school building and that the next of kin's have not been told, did i get that right? >> yes, this was about 45 minutes ago, maybe an hour ago when i spoke to someone with the sheriffs office and we asked that question whether or not the families were notified, they said, no. the bodies are still there in the school. because as you know, crime scene investigation take some time. so the bodies were still there, they had not had a chance to have the investigators to identify them yet. there are social media posts of families who are trying to make contact with their students. one where they were trying to track his iphone and they believe that he has hospitalize hospitalized, but they had not been able to find him yet.

>> tucker: you would think that authorities will be on that priority one. nicole, thank you for that. i appreciate it. parkland mayor christine hunschofsky joins us tonight. miss mayor, i do not know if you can hear me or not. first, our condolences to your town. this is an awful story, and the details make it even worse, what do we know at this hour about the suspect? we saw pictures of him being taken away on a gurney into an ambulance, do you know what that was? >> i'm not familiar what was going on inside as part of the police operation. i was outside on the perimeter with the parents and the students who were coming out. >> tucker: can you confirm that the number that we have is 17 dead, is that the correct number? >> that is the number that i

have heard as well from our broward sheriff. >> tucker: are reporter just told us that some of the families on the scene there are not sure where their children are. >> i have not seen any families, i am still in the area here, but i have not seen any family is around, but there were several families early on that had not heard from their students at all. just when all of this was happening, we are very thankful for the technology that the students were able to text and their parents and let them know that they were okay. during the time period that this was going on the police were going throughout the schools. as they were making sure that certain sections were safe and clear, they were letting students out as they could. and the students were being reunited on the corner with their parents. >> tucker: it must've been 18 emotional scene, you are there near the wall where that was going on.

it is unclear how the suspect was taken into custody alive, do you know? >> no, i don't. i was not there when the suspect was taken into custody. i do know when i was outside with the parents and the students who are coming out, several of them knew the suspect's name and had heard of him prior. >> tucker: what did they say about him? >> they had heard that he was a student who used to be there and that he had gotten into trouble. >> tucker: did you get a sense of what kind of trouble? we have it reported that he was expelled, but not for what. >> i did not get the sense of what kind of trouble at that time people were in shock as you can imagine for a close knit community such as parkland, this was a very devastating blow to our community today. we are a safe community, a very tight knit community and people are just sad and in shock today. >> tucker: i can certainly see

them why. it seems like every person we have talked to has been sweet and ingenuous and shocked. and we are too. thank you for coming on, miss mayor. i appreciate it. looking at to live of the school in parkland, florida, marjory stoneman douglas. and that is the fbi at work. still a crime scene, of course. and we just had confirmation if you are just tuning in that apparently the bodies remain inside the school, unfortunatel unfortunately. george is a student at marjory stoneman douglas high school, joining us by phone. so you knew nikolas cruz? >> yes, i had met him. >> tucker: what was your impression of him? >> he was always a troublemaker. he was always the class clown,

and always tried to make people laugh in the classroom and would always do bad things. >> tucker: what kind of bad things? >> he would just make comments to the teacher and mess around, based on random things. >> tucker: can you give us an example? >> i remember eighth grade one time when the teacher -- he went on the teachers computer and started looking up things and then when the teacher walked back into the classroom he just got away from the laptop. >> tucker: he was expelled from high school we have been told, do you know why he was expelled? >> no, i do not have any

information on that. >> tucker: without violating the privacy of anyone, but what was his family situation like? >> i really did not know. after eighth grade, we went our separate ways. i had not really talked to him since. >> tucker: when he saw his name this afternoon in connection with this mass shooting, what was your first response? >> honestly, i did not really know how to react. i knew that he was bad, but i did not know that he was this bad. >> tucker: it sounds like nobody did. but you were not totally shocked then? >> i mean, i was shocked. all i can say is that i was shocked. >> tucker: it is shocking.

george, thank you for coming on tonight and giving us that perspective. reporting that 17 people are confirmed dead at this hour after a mass shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. students describe the terrifying scene that they witnessed this afternoon. >> i saw somebody's. it was not good. >> people that you recognized? >> yes, my friends teacher. >> in the hallway i saw a big pile of blood, and smears like they were dragged away. and i saw two girls probably dead in the hallway. coming downstairs there was more blood and outside there was another guy and a teacher who i'm pretty sure was dead. >> tucker: the kids are also common, that is remarkable.

rick sanchez is a former news anchor, longtime news anchor in south florida, in parkland right now. he joins us tonight. rick, what is it like they are? >> i don't know, talk, good to see you again, my friend. this is a terrible blow for our community. those of us who grew up here have never seen this. it is amazing that there seems to be two groups that communicate with each other that is hitting very close to home for my family, my daughter started reaching out to my wife and i this afternoon to let us know what is going on. some of the pictures in the videos that she shared from our friends, one of our very good friends attend school here at marjory stoneman douglas. and it seemed like even before we who call ourselves the media were on to the story, all of the children who talk to themselves through social media over onto story sharing ideas and thoughts and most of all sharing videos and the information that the

suspect cruz had been saying about himself. almost revealing exactly what it was he was going to do, even days before he actually did this. so that is really capturing a lot of the conversation that is taking place right now here in this south part of florida, tucker. >> tucker: what you're saying is a lot of classmates or people in his peer group who knew him in school were aware that he was fetishizing violence and was awed and a threat. was there any indication that they reported to anyone in authority? >> here is what is most interesting. i've been spending a lot of time talking to a lot of the authorities, especially law enforcement and even more particular or finitely, those who focused specifically on school security. and it is interesting, what they tell me is that they created all kinds of algorithms now that they use so that if you or i were having a conversation either by phone or instagram or

part of me by twitter or something and we used keywords either tucker carlson or rick sanchez would have somebody knock on the door, why did you use that particular combination of words that makes it seems petitioner us about what your intention might be? that works for the spoken word. they do not have something that works for pictures. this young man was communicating all but saying what he was going to do, but he was doing it on instagram. so he was using symbols, but i'm sure that you have seen by now or your producers have shown you that he was all about saying, i'm going to kill a whole bunch of people tomorrow. and because it was done with pictures and targets and target practice and pictures of guns and other horrific things, nobody was able to latch onto that information. you are right, there probably was a community of his peers who may have probably seen this, not withstanding, but as far as we know, at least at this point in the investigation, nobody moved on any of that stuff.

>> tucker: so we have this massive surveillance tape, but it is not keeping a safe is what you're saying? >> it seems to be the case. it seems to be that, one would think, this is me now hypothesizing, but one would think that we should have the technology at this point so that if somebody is communicating as outwardly as this young man was, that there will be something. whether it is instagram as a corporation itself, or whether it is within our law enforcement communities. or within our community that perhaps as peers would have triggered something. if there is a story tonight's that may be comes out of this, why the hell not? >> tucker: since you are there, give us a snapshot of

parkland, florida. >> they used to play the honda classic about five blocks behind me. million-dollar homes is all you see around here. beautiful landscaping, picturesque family homes. it is the american dream. this is where everybody wants to come. and in many cases to retire or to live. it is an absolutely magnificent setting. the last pay claim and placed in the world that you would expect something like this. but obviously the more that we look at cases like this starting from columbine, we see that there is no specific pattern. and more often than not it is in the quiet suburban communities where this happens. >> tucker: that seems to be true. this is a very safe affluent community, bottom line. >> no question. this is one of the places where if you move, you know south florida, you have been here before. this is one of the places where if you come to south florida, this is one of the neighborhoods he will be taken to and you have to look at some of the homes in

this community, it is magnificent. >> tucker: the school is large, isn't it? >> 4000 students, and apparently it is part of the same school system security patrol that is used in miami county, monroe monroe county, palm beach county, and here in northern broward county, which is one of the best security systems in the country as imperfect as it may be. but i think that we are starting to get a picture as you probably have talked to some folks before and i know that i have been talking to some of your producers and they have a pretty good beat on the story. this young man had predetermine what he was going to do. he came loaded and he wanted to kill people. it is only a miracle that he did not kill more than 17. >> tucker: it does not sound that way from what we know now. but there are a lot of videos circulating that the report to be from inside the school.

we are not putting any on the air for right now because we cannot be sure that they are real. but i know that you have seen some from your daughters friends that seem to be real, what do they show? >> well, they show dead bodies. they show panic, they show children running and screaming. they show what is left of someone who has been riddled with bullets in the classroom with little kids, i say little kids, 16, 17, 18-year-olds running around perplexed. they show courageous and heroic police officers running into the classroom carrying these injured students and running out with them over their shoulders. and today show the panic that ensued in the moments that the shooting actually took place and you hear the fear, the screams

and the voices of these children, not exactly knowing what was going on at that time. nor what they really were expected to do other than hiding under desks. >> tucker: that is horrifying. i don't think i want to see those videos paid when you saw them, what did you say to your daughter? >> we have had several conversations. apparently she is part of what happens in the generation that you and i are separated by a couple of years from. they communicate with each other this way. immediately on instagram and on different social media posts, they were sharing who they knew, what they knew. there is a series of school whether it is my daughter's school, which is miles from here or the school where her boyfriend went which is just a couple of blocks from here, but there is this connection between all of the students. many on the baseball teams, because they play on the travel leagues. so the students whether they go to this school or the school down the road they all know each

other and communicate with each other. those avenues of communication are the ones that i was able to tap into today interestingly enough because my daughter happens to have a friend of some of the people who were involved in this horrific massacre. >> tucker: rick, thank you for that. i appreciate your perspective on that. >> always a pleasure, tucker. >> tucker: a student at marjory stoneman douglas where the shooting occurred, trapped in a classroom when the s.w.a.t. team struggled look and struggled to get her out. thank you for coming on. what did you experience today? >> the last 20 minutes of class there was a fire drill, but it's really weird right away, because we just had one this morning, so everyone already knew that somebody had either pulled it or it was set off, and it could not have been ringing for more than 5 minutes, more than 2 minutes,

because that by the time i had reached the stairwell it had already stopped, and everybody stood there not knowing exactly what to do and we just kind of looked around until we heard three or four loud bangs and everyone who was going down the stairs and ran back up, and about i want to say over 100 students just trying to run into a classroom and shut the door. there were kids in my class running through the corner and jumping over desks and trying to get behind the teacher's desk and it was a mess of -- >> tucker: was the teacher in the room? >> my teacher was not there today. we had a sub, and you could tell that he did not know what to do. at first she thought it was some kind of messed up drill. but then we started to smell stuff like smoke and gunpowder,

and our parents were calling us and freaking out and calling everyone. but then other kids were shushing them to be quiet. it seemed like we were there for hours, but just not knowing anything or what was going on. only hearing the sirens outside. >> tucker: did you lock the door? >> the door was already locked. >> tucker: did you have your phone with you? >> yes. my very first instinct was to take a video of the sound and send it to my parents and tell them that i am okay in the classroom. >> tucker: did they respond? >> yes, almost immediately. >> tucker: what did they say? >> both of them were just very confused and asking me if i was okay and where i was and what building i was in. and if i knew what was going on.

just keep talking to them no matter what. >> tucker: so you text them while the shooting is going on, they texted you back. they must have just been panicked. what was your reunion like with your parents? >> um, as soon as i left the school i was crossing the street and they kept having us turn around. i was on the phone with my mom trying to figure out where she was, but she said she was going towards the end, and as soon as i saw her eye just ran to her, and my dad ran. my little sister was there and we were just crying and hugging each other. >> tucker: that is an emotional -- just emotional thinking about that. you were led out of the classroom and the school by a s.w.a.t. team, what did you see on your way out? >> i tried not to look, but

there was blood and gunpowder and bodies just all over the place. we were stepping over puddles of blood and just trying not to look. >> tucker: so all of the students in the class that you were and got out safely, is that correct? >> i am pretty sure, yes. all of the students that were in the class with me when the door was shut are safe. >> tucker: had you heard of the shooter? nikolas cruz, had you heard that name before? >> no, i had never heard his name or met him or anything like that. he is a complete stranger to me. >> tucker: he was expelled from your school, you don't know why? >> no. >> tucker: interesting. finally, heylee, have you talked to your classmates since you left the school, how are you doing?

>> one of my best friends was with me in the entire time from the staircase to the classroom to leaving the school, and we have been checking up on each other, and both of us just can't wrap our heads around what exactly happened. it does not feel real. and she does not feel safe. >> tucker: i bet she does not. a lot of people can identify with your parents in that way. thank you, haylee for that. >> of course. >> tucker: kelly mccann is a former marine officer, john irani only as a special agent executive, and they both join us tonight. kelly to you, for what we know about the response of the school and law enforcement, do you think it was adequate? >> these policies all change as a result of columbine, so they are moving directly to the crisis point. you have to remember that these things most historically most of the killings done within the

first 5 minutes. so when you look at these incidents it is almost an impossibility for a s.w.a.t. team to roll as quickly as they would need to to intervene. it is a difficult, difficult situation. >> tucker: john, one of the things that makes this different is that the suspect is still alive and presumably going to be answering questions soon. if you were talking to him, what would you ask him? how would you get to why he did this? >> the first question you're going to ask is what motivated you to do this? what happened, and then will build from that pretty want to know what kind of literature he was looking at, where there are other students that he had competes conspired with or encouraged him? or was he being bullied by other students. getting to the catalyst can prevent these things in the future. >> tucker: kelly, do you see a thread between mass shootings like this? >> these things are anomalous events. there have been attempts to do

analysis by a computer, algorithm, profiling, and none of them have really panned out. i mean they can give you indications, they can give you tendencies, but nothing has been 100%, it is very difficult problem that is a mental health issue. and it is an issue of our society beavering tolerant and diverse of extreme behavior. how do you sort through extreme behavior when everything is okay to find out to those particular behaviors that make it not okay? a previous guest said pictures on instagram about weapons but a lot of people have pictures on instagram with their firearms, is that a right algorithm to ru run? i'm not sure that it does. >> tucker: it is not a higher percentage of the population has firearms them 50 years ago, but we have higher incidence of these kinds of incidents.

john, what are you looking at if you want to answer the riddle, and all of us do, what would you be studying? >> well, there are a lot of different factors that we can use to try to answer the riddle, but your other guest is correct, the reality is that these things are going to occur. we have to be prepared for them. enough of the political nonsense of not talking about it. for example in the united states, every school conducts fire drills coming out in the past 50 years we have had zero fires in schools. are we conducting active shooter drills where we have had a number of them year after year. the school had a rehearsal in the morning, but are they working at preventing children how to respond in these types of events? >> tucker: how do you respond? if you are running, do you do a lot of training for people? what advice would you give to school administrators? >> there is a great point, no

one takes it seriously. it is not too long ago that these things would have been looked at as hysterical. if somebody suggested that a major corporation or a school actually have an active shooter drill, there will be a lot of rolling of eyes and talking about nonsense. things that don't matter. this matters. this is not going to stop. these things are historically happening. so the seriousness with which you approach these things like some of the major corporations that we do training for, they do take it seriously. and we do talk to them and very blunt and realistic terms about the realities of the situations. unless you take it seriously, nothing will happen. >> tucker: something of the reticence is that people do not want to scare the hell out of their kids to be punted. they do not want to take a sixth-grader and ponder as what it would be like to be shot at. >> you want to have training that is age appropriate. but there are a heck of a lot of kids in florida that are scared anyway because they were not

prepared. it is more than just knowing to walk out of the building. it is what to do in the classroom, block the door, be prepared to fight back if necessary when you have no other choice. because at the end of the day, i want my kids coming home from school. >> tucker: fights back if necessary if you have no other choice, that is not advice i've ever heard the authorities give anyone. though it seems to make sense, what do you think? >> the government program they do put it out there, the department of homeland security has that security policy, run, hide, fight. in the u.k. they do not even have a fight option. you have to think about it in different circumstances. does it make sense for everyone to pile into a classroom when you could break windows and get out? there are some serious thinking that has to go on with this. it is not a policy that will make the difference, and a training and making people accept the reality is that these

things happen. >> tucker: so currently, john, fleeing the building through a window is not something that schools teach their teachers to do? >> unlikely any school in this country is teaching people to do that. but when i go into the corporate sector, that is exactly what we talk about. block yourself away from the attacker, but make sure that you have a way to get away if you can't. make sure that you are prepared to defend yourself. in a school, throw chairs, protests, your backpacks, but make sure you defend yourself long enough to get away. >> tucker: that seems like really wise and common sense. gentlemen, thank you both. going back to phil keating, fox news bill keating, having new information on this tragedy. >> hi, tucker, behind me is marjory stoneman douglas high school, the scene of the catastrophic school shooting. 17 total fatalities, governor rick scott has arrived from tallahassee.

as you can imagine the crime scene is massive. he is being briefed by the lead investigative agent from the sheriff's department as well as sheriff scott israel, the fbi is here as well and multiple law enforcement agencies. going to get briefed on exactly the status of the situation. the school will be remained closed for the next two days for the rest of the week. 12 of the fatalities remain inside the school, the total count is 17 fatalities. we do not know the mix of students and teachers, whether it was a majority of students had as one would presume in a school shooting, but senator bill nelson of florida said earlier based on his briefing with law enforcement that the suspect identified for the sheriff as a 19-year-old nikolas cruz. a former student, not currently a student at the high school but had been expelled from the high school and was arrested

near by a mile and a half away, the lone gunman said by the sheriff to have multiple magazines full of bullets on him as well as in the assault rifle. he was not wounded by police officers as far as we know. he was treated at a nearby hospital and released, now in custody of being processed, but he is alive. no motive given by the sheriff, but the governor and the sheriff are right here behind me at this podium, perhaps as early as the top of the hour to update us with everything they know about this unbelievably horrendous day. >> tucker: a lot of information, i may have missed it when you said it. he did depart by ambulance, do we know what his injury was and how he got it? >> we do not know. to the sheriff would not answer that specific question. i asked of him at the brief statement ceremony that he gave edits the press conference at 6:30 p.m., so no answers given on motive or what his injuries

were. how he was injured nor do we know exactly the total counts right now of all of the 15 that were wounded and injured as well as the 17 that were shot and killed, 12 inside inside the sl comment two outside the school, one down the street and two others that died in the hospital. we do not know the ages of these victims or whether they were all students, mostly students, or whether a teacher was involved, perhaps. >> tucker: phil keating, thank you for the update. there's a lot going on. ♪ we are going to go to break, and we will be back in just a minute with more. i think we are getting more information on the suspect. we are going to have it for you when we come back. ♪ -if you told me a year ago where i'd be right now...

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buyleesa.com today. >>continuing the fox news alert, 17 children are dead after the horrific shooting in douglas high school in south florida. he was captured alive by police. what do we know about him? for that we're joined by gallagher. >> this attack was very well planned and that now appears to be the case. the suspect, 19-year-old nicolas cruz was enrolled before he was expelled for disciplinary reasons. he knew the layout of the school. he knew exactly where most of the students would be at 2:00 in the afternoon. he knew that by pulling the fire

alarm, it would draw more students into the hallway. some students say last year many fellow classmates jokingly predicted if there was a shooting, it cruz. the teacher claims the faculty was warned that cruz was not to be allowed on campus with a backpa backpack. tonight the broward county sheriff says the social media account was disturbing. he followed several gun groups, posted pictures of himself brandishing knives and guns and he recently posted one picture of a bullseye riddled with

bullets and a caption that reads, "group therapy, you should try it." he recently took part in a youtube chat room dealing with bombs. so far, there is no indication they found any, but a short time ago, the broward county sheriff confirmed the suspect used an ar-15 semiautomatic rifle. we apparently will hear more from the sheriff in about ten minutes. tucker. >> yeah, because that is the question. how did police stop him without killing him? trace, thank you very much. a student at marjory stoneman douglas high school was there today. how did you know that it was a shooting? >> well, at first we didn't

know. so our -- the fire alarm went off and everyone was just like, "okay. this is weird because an alarm went off earlier today." and all we knew is that the teacher was like, "get your stuff and we're going to go to a designated." as we were walking, the teachers were like, "okay, you need to go to the middle school." and we had never done that before. and all the sudden, you hear many students and some teachers saying, "this is serious. this isn't a drill. there's been a school shooting." first you don't think of it as anything, as it's real because you don't expect it to be real. but after that, people just starting saying, "this is real." even teachers started saying, "this is real." and it was so scary. so then when i met my friend at the l.a. fitness and we ran over

there. and i didn't know about the shooting. i didn't hear any gunshots, thank god. i didn't hear any of that. but my friend told me that one of her friends in one of the classes, a girl came into her class with two bullets in her leg. and that's how everyone knew that there was going to be a shooting at our school. and after that -- sorry, go ahead. >> no, no i'm listening intently. you said there was a girl with a bullet in her leg. >> yeah. and after that, they just -- they were -- it was crazy. sorry, i'm just getting so many notifications right now. >> no, no. i understand. i can't imagine how you can speak so fluently after watching something like that. i assume you were hunkered in your classroom for the shooting. >> no. it was just really normal.

it wasn't even crazy. everyone was normal when the alarm came off. no one really expected it to be anything serious. and it was all the -- i was all the way on the other side of the building. and that's when we knew -- when we got to our designated area, that's when everyone just started rushing into the school and that's -- and that's when they knew it was real. >> had you -- emily, had you ever heard of this boy, nicholo cr cruz? >> i actually had. back when i was in ninth grade, i knew his half-brother or something. and in fact, he would tell me that his brother nikolas had

guns and all he could hear was guns at night reloading. >> emily, we're out of time. but you have remarkable poise. thank you for joining us. >>welcome to hannity. this is a fox news alert. 17 people are dead. a horrific tragic shooting at a south florida school. law enforcement now detailing a 19-year-old suspect, nicolas cruz seen in the video in custody. they're now working a possible -- the suspect wore a gas mask, had smoke grenades and set off the fi