the school, his potential motives and the possibility that he will be in court tomorrow. stay with fox news for continuing coverage of the tragedy. we will monitor new developments overnight and have the latest for you starting at 4:00 a.m. eastern. >> tucker: this is a fox news t alert. as you have seen tonight, a school in parkland, florida, has been devastated by the rampage of a mass shooter, sad to report 17 people have been killed. the gunman opened fire at marjory stoneman douglas high school this afternoon. the suspected shooter is nikolas cruz, still alive taken away in an ambulance. in custody at this hour. eyewitnesses have described him to reporters today. >> we heard gunshots and going up and down the hallway, he shot in my door. shot in my door, and we heard it. >> i heard gunshots and then after when the police let us out, there were dead bodies everywhere. >> there was a lot of bloodn everywhere and bodies.

>> good thing the door was locked. he could have shot through the door, a couple of people next to me. i was sitting right next to a cabinet and the bullets got a girl next to me. >> tucker: fox news correspondent phil keating is live in florida at the scene. phil. >> good evening, tucker.r. a horrific, devastating, crushing day for those 17 families whose sons and daughters all dead tonight. all shot this afternoon, allegedly by this 19-year-old former student of marjory stoneman douglas high school which is behind me about a quarter of a mile.ic we are as close as anybody in the media or public can get to the school. 12 bodies remain inside that school at this hour. the school remains a crime scenm and will remain so all night long and into tomorrow morning. it will be up to the medical examiner when those 12 bodies are removed. the sheriff, scott israel of broward county, a populist

county here in south florida, this is the sixth largest school district in the county. this is the worst school shooting ever in this county. the sheriff would not confirm, i of the 17 fatalities, how many were students, what their ages were or if there were any teachers also in the mix as well. 15 others were taken and treated at area hospitals. inside the school the sheriff laid it out like this, 12 people shot and killed inside the school. two outside of the school, a third shot and killedpl down the road from the school. and two others died while being treated for their incredibly serious wounds at area hospitals. the 19-year-old suspect, according to the sheriff, no motive to share at this point, but he was equipped with magazines full of bullets, an ar-15 semi assault weapon, and was wearing a gas mask, had smoke grenades on him and pulled

the fire alarm first so that he could shoot students and teachers as they fled into the hallways. >> tucker: phil, thank you for that. rebecca bogard is a senior at marjory stoneman douglas high school. she was inside a classroom when the windows were shot out. she joins us tonight. thank you for joining us. what did you hear? >> i was in class in the freshman building, and i heard gunshots, and i did not want tow -- know how to react, because i was not sure what that was. and it was like, we just automatically knew when we heard that to go into hiding, because no one in my class had ever heard that before. w so we all went and hid under thh teacher's desk. >> tucker: what did your teacher do when the shots began? >> at first we thought it was a drill, and normally the teachers

knew if it was a drill, and she looked concerned. so we were trying to stay calm hiding. most of the class tried to stay behind her desk and there were ten kids on the other side by the computer cart near the window. and the teacher had her phone. we were there for a while, she was on her walkie and talking to administration. she was on the phone with thee police and we all stayed calm and tried to relax, nobody knew what was happening. >> tucker: how long did the shots go on, would you say? >> for a while. i feel like 10 minutes. we heard it at first and we were hiding and we knew it was real when they saw the bullets, the shots go through the window and glass shattered everywhere. a couple of kids in my class got hit. >> tucker: where were you?

>> i was hiding with the teacher and a couple of students by her desk. hiding away from the window. >> tucker: were the students in your class badly injured? >> i don't know how bad. it was hard to see, but when i saw them leaving, there was just a lot of blood. they were pretty calm about it, but it was really traumatic to watch. >> tucker: gosh, that is just awful. did you know the man accused of doing this? >> i do not.cc >> tucker: had you heard his name or were you aware of him? >> i heard his name before, but i did not know, i think that he worked at one of the local stores here, so when i saw the picture i knew that he looked familiar, but i did not know much about him. >> tucker: what kind of store is it? >> the dollar store.

>> tucker: the dollar store. interesting. have you gone through drills for a situation like this? >> yes, we were pretty prepared, we know, to stay away from windows and everything, but we were trying to do that, but once the bullets went through the window and the glass shattered, we knew it was the real thing that this is not a drill or anything, and when people got hit, they were screaming in panic mode. they did not know what to do, so we tried to keep everyone quiet and as quick as we could, we wanted everybody to remain calm at the time. i did not know that any students were shot and then someone told me in my class that was sitting next to me, but the bullets were extremely loud, nothing that i had ever heard before. >> tucker: did you text your parents from the classroom?t >> i did not have my phone at the time, but my parents knew.

so afterwards the s.w.a.t. team came and asked how many people were injured or if there were any deaths or injuries.pe we told them how many students, i think there were 30 students o in our class. so we all lined up one by one, walked out, we had to run as far as we could and we ought to stay calm. it was really hard walking everyone, people were crying and there was a lot of blood everywhere leaving the hallway, looking on the floor and seeing blood and kids, it was just such a scary scene. >> tucker: when did your parents find out that you were okay? >> once i left, my backpack and everything is still in class. my car is there, my keys. i just grabbed my phone and ran. and my mom called me a bunch of times. i was not answering, so she was worried, but i called her as i was walking away.

i was with a bunch of kids so i felt safe and walked as far as i could. >> tucker: you are so calmwa right now, i cannot imagine seeing something like that. how do you feel? >> before, i was shaking. the entire time i was shaking, but now i am still in shockhe right now. it is unbelievable to actuallyki think that this happened here at stoneman douglas. >> tucker: have you ever felt threatened there before? >> no, never. i know that the staff trained us, and is really good at training us for anything, tornado drill, hurricane drill, especially this.s. i think that everybody reacted good, and the teachers had the door locked, so that was good. >> tucker: was your teacherha calm the whole time? >> my teacher was pretty calm. yeah, she was on the phone and being quiet on the phone. so her being calm kept us all calm.

but we are all there for each other and cuddled up together holding hands. >> tucker: what a horrifying experience you have lived through. rebecca bogart, thank you for sharing that with us. >> thank you. >> tucker: dan bongino, a former nypd officer and secret service agent, joining us from florida. dan, what do we know about this? >> it appears that this student had some knowledge of the school being a former student there. probably allowing them to take advantage of the terrain features. involved in an attack like this, as horrific as it is, the ability to know what is around the next corner was probably beneficial to him. and it speaks to another issue here which is that access control, his familiarity with the school and the grounds enabled him to access the grounds. it is something i have said

repeatedly that conflating access control with security is a big mistake. a ticket is an access device to a football game, but it is not security. those are two different things. >> tucker: this is the rare shooting of this kind where the suspect is still alive. do you think we will be able to get answers to some of the questions that all of us have which is why would someone do something like this? i think it is a real question. will we know more this time? >> i hope so, tucker. i used to be a secret service agent. secret service did an exhaustive study on school shootings, because targeted violence and an assassination attempt of a president or a political figure which is targeted violence and targeted violence at schools share commonalities.en so the secret service looks at on conjunction with the psychologic community and mental health community to research this. this deranged guy may be an invaluable source of information to prevent this kind of thing in the future.

they came away with a lot of material to pass on to schools and administrators.a it is a valuable study. >> tucker: what was the profile to the extent that there is one? each case is unique, but is there a thread that ties them together? >> yeah, one of the interesting threads and pieces of information that they came away with was the preattack notifier and behavioral pattern was very similar, tucker. a large majority of these school shooters had told someone about the plan in some form of advance. s i get it, if you see something, say something a thousand times. sadly, it has almost become that people gaff it off, but you think somebody may be depressed. listen, we may have a problem here. it does not mean that that person will be arrested.

they may just be he's depressed. but the fact that the school t shooters, these preattacked notifiers were there in advance and no one said anything was one of the deeply disturbing parts of the report that i read. >> tucker: huh. so like explicitly saying i'm going to shoot up a school? >> yes, there is one particular example where the attacker was in a balcony area actually telling a student that this would be a good spot for me to engage. and apparently nothing was passed on. so it is not uncommon at all.. just like you would see an assassination attempt, there are attempts to scope out the area in advance and look for ingress and egress points, these are things that should set off alarms amongst administratorsan and schools. >> tucker: always in the wake of something like this, there is a lot of discussion on a the internet. not much of it goes onot to television, but about the effect and potential effect of

drugs on this kind of behavior, a lot of these kids seem like there is o medication. they are medicated in some way or another. did the secret service find that a commonality? >> there is not a strong link between mental health issues, which surprises a lot of people and targeted violence. it is not a 90% correlation. having said that, it is there. and that i think there is a strong debate in the mental health community that has beenor going on for generations, drugs and what about violent video games and the culture? but the question has always been do violent video games cause kids to be violent or aretu naturally violent kids attracted to violent video games? the answer is i don't know. but i can tell you this, tucker, it ain't helping. it is not helping bathing our kids and the culture in violence. at a minimum, we know that. it may not be the cause, but it is definitely not helping.,

>> tucker: it would be nice to get to the bottom of that. it seems like an important question. dan bongino, thank you very much. jim gard is a math teacher at the school and he taught the shooting suspect last year.ji a thank you for coming on. >> hi, how are you doing? >> tucker: well. you are the first person we have spoken to that knew the suspect personally in your class. what was your view of him? >> i only had him for a semester between august and december of 2016, from what i can remember. i'm just looking at my computer, i will have to look a little bit later to be 100% sure. he was in class. he was really quiet, nothing outstanding. we got a couple of emails from admins regarding him, but i can get into my computer and see if they had anything highlighted

that i can remember. >> tucker: let me put it this way, when you saw his face on television and read his name, did you think, i am shocked byhe this? or did you think of the kids that i teach, maybe this is not the most surprising suspect? >> i haven't seen his face on television yet, we were in lockdown with no tvs on. i heard the name from some of my students when we were in the lockdown. and i was like, oh, wow, i had nik in class. and then the police came and got us out of our room. so in my shock, i hate to say it, nowadays with all of the school shootings, nothing is shocking anymore. and that is horrible. >> tucker: it is horrible. maybe the most horrible part of all of this. so you were at the school today, tell us what happened to you. >> pardon? >> tucker: tell us your experience today at the school. >> okay, we had a fire drill this morning at 9:30.

so when the fire alarm went off again at 2:20-ish, i just finished wrapping up with my kids -- >> tucker: i think that we have lost jim gard, we are speaking to a math teacher at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida, he taught a math class that had the suspect in it. if we get reconnected, we will put him back on. but nicole linsalata is a reporter with wsvn in miami, on the scene in parkland, right now. nicole, what do you know? >> well, we can tell you that it has been an extremely sad day here in parkland. to give you a little bit of an idea, parkland is west of fort lauderdale, the type of community that people go to to be safe.

many gated communities. the school system is excellent, a low crime rates, so this is something that was so surprising, any time anything like this happens of course, but 17 people as you now know, teachers and students, we have not received a breakdown yet all passing away today as a result of the shooting. now as you have been talking about nikolas cruz, so far the sheriff is saying that they are combing through his social media and trying to figure out why this 19-year-old who did attend an alternative school atg one point, who was expelled from marjory stoneman douglas high school, why he would have come back to the school and did what he did. we know that 12 bodies remain inside of the school at this hour so far. the last time we spoke to the sheriff a little while ago no identities had been established much less family is being notified. they actually had to go through the school with a s.w.a.t. team members to try to clear all of the classrooms and make sure that everyone was safe and then

they went in again with the bomb squad, because this young man, according to the sources that we are hearing from the federal government who have briefed senators marco rubio and bill nelson, apparently the young man walked in wearing a gas mask, pulled a fire alarm to try to get as many kids out into the hallway as possible before he pulled the trigger of the ar-15. so he clearly was trying to take down as many victims as he possibly could. as we know, 17 people have died. there are several in the hospital as well fighting for their lives. you know, oddly in this case, many times these people who do these sort of things, they kill themselves before anyone can get any answers, in this case it is different. he has been taken into custody, so now they are hoping that they might actually get some answers.

>> tucker: nicole, if i can clarify one thing, and i hate to be ghoulish, but you said that the 12 bodies remain unidentified and unclaimed inside the school building and that the next of kin have not been told, did i get that right? >> yes, this was about 45 minutes ago, maybe an hour ago when i spoke to someone with the sheriff's office and we asked that question whether or not the families were notified, they said no. the bodies are still there in the school. because as you know, crime scene investigations take some time. so the bodies were still there, they had not had a chance to have the investigators to identify them yet.ts horrible feeling for these parents. there are social media posts of families who are trying to make contact with their students. t one where they were trying to track his iphone and they believe that he has hospitalized, but they had not been able to find him yet. >> tucker: you would think that authorities will be on that priority one.

you'd hope so. nicole, thank you for that. i appreciate it. parkland mayor christinees hunschofsky joins us tonight. mayor, thanks for coming on. ms. mayor, i do not know if you can hear me or not. first, our condolences to your town. this is an awful story, and the details make it even worse. what do we know at this hour about the suspect? we saw pictures of him being taken away on a gurney in an ambulance, do you know what s tt was? >> no, i'm not familiar what was going on inside as part of the police operation. i was outside on the perimeter with the parents and the students who were coming out. >> tucker: can you confirm that the number that we have isc 17 dead, is that the correct number? >> that is the number that i have heard as well from our broward sheriff.

>> tucker: our reporter just told us that some of the families on the scene there are not sure where their children are. >> i have not seen any families, i am still in the area here, but i have not seen any family is around, but there were several families early on that had not heard from their students at all. just when all of this was happening. we are very thankful for the technology that the students were able to text and their parents and let them know that they were okay. during the time period that this was going on the police were going throughout the schools. as they were making sure that certain sections were safe and clear, they were letting students out as they could. the students were beingud reunited on the corner with their parents. >> tucker: it must've been an emotional scene. you were there inside the perimeter wall where that was going on. it is unclear how the suspect was taken into custody alive, do

you know? >> no, i don't.us i was not there when the suspect was taken into custody. i do know when i was outside with the parents and the students who were coming out, several of them knew the suspect's name and had heard of him prior. >> tucker: what did they say about him? >> they had heard that he was a student who used to be there and that he had gotten into trouble. >> tucker: did you get a sense of what kind of trouble? we are reporting that he was expelled, but not clear for what. >> i did not get the sense of what kind of trouble at that time. people were in shock as you can imagine for a close knit community such as parkland, this was a very devastating blow to our community today. we are a safe community, a very tight-knit community and people were just sad and in shock today. >> tucker: i can certainly see why. it seems like every person we have talked to has been sweet i

and shocked. and we are too. thank you for coming on, miss mayor. i appreciate it. looking at live pictures of the school in parkland, florida, marjory stoneman douglas. and that is the fbi at work.in it's still a crime scene, of course. and we just had confirmation if you are just tuning in that apparently the bodies remain inside the school, unfortunately. george nesmith is a student at marjory stoneman douglas high school, he knew the shooter. joining us by phone. b so you knew nikolas cruz? >> yes, i had met him. >> tucker: what was your impression of him? >> he was always a troublemaker. he was always the class clown, and always tried to make people laugh in the classroom and would

always do bad things. >> tucker: what kind of bad things? >> he would just make comments to the teacher and mess around, >> tucker: can you give us an example? >> i remember eighth grade, one time, when the teacher -- walked out the classroom, he went on the teacher's computer and started looking up things and then when the teacher walked back into the classroom he just saw what was on the laptop.uc >> tucker: he was expelled from high school we have been told. do you know why he was expelled? >> no, i do not have any information on that. >> tucker: without violating

the privacy of anyone, but what was his family situation like? >> i really did not know. after eighth grade, we went our separate ways. i hadn't really talked to him since. >> tucker: when he saw his name this afternoon in connection with this mass shooting, what was your first h response? >> honestly, i did not really know how to react. i knew that he was bad, but i did not know that he was this k bad. >> tucker: right, it sounds like nobody did. but you were not totally shocked then? >> i mean, i was shocked. all i can say is that i was shocked. either way. >> tucker: it is shocking. george, thank you for coming on tonight and giving us thatt

perspective. reporting that 17 people are confirmed dead at this hourus after a mass shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. t students described the terrifying scene that they witnessed this afternoon. >> i saw some bodies. it was not good. >> people that you recognized? >> yes, my friend's teacher. >> in the hallway i saw a big pile of blood, and smears like they were dragged away. and i saw two girls probably dead in the hallway. coming downstairs there was more blood and outside there was another guy and a teacher who i'm pretty sure was dead. >> tucker: the kids are all so calm.

that is remarkable. rick sanchez is a former news anchor, longtime news anchor in south florida, in parkland right now. he joins us tonight. rick, what is it like they are? >> i don't know, tuck, good to see you again, my friend. this is a terrible blow for our community. those of us who grew up here have never seen this. it is amazing that there seems to be two groups that communicate with each other that is hitting very close to home for my family. my daughter started reaching out to my wife and i this afternoon to let us know what is going on. some of the pictures in the videos that she shared from our friends, one of our very good friends attend school here at marjory stoneman douglas. and it seemed like even before we who call ourselves the media were on to the story, all of the children who talk to themselves through social media over onto story sharing ideas and thoughts and most of all sharing videosed and the information that the suspect cruz had been saying about himself.

almost revealing exactly what it was he was going to do, even days before he actually did this. so that is really capturing a lot of the conversation that is taking place right now here in this south part of florida, tuck. >> tucker: what you're saying is a lot of classmates or people in his peer group who knew him or had known him in school were aware that he was fetishizing violence and was odd and a threat. was there any indication that they reported to anyone in authority? >> here is what is most interesting. i've been spending a lot of time talking to a lot of the authorities, especially law enforcement and even more particular or finitely, thoseaw who focused specifically on school security. and it is interesting, what they tell me is that they created all kinds of algorithms now that they use so that if you or ie were having a conversation either by phone or instagram or

by twitter or something and we used keywords either tucker carlson or rick sanchez would have somebody knock on the door, saying why did you use that particular combination of words that makes it seems suspicious about what your intention might be? that works for the spoken word.k they do not have something that works for pictures. this young man was communicating all but saying what he was going to do, but he was doing it on instagram. so he was using symbols, but i'm sure that you have seen by now or your producers have shown you that he was all about saying, i'm going to kill a whole bunch of people tomorrow. and because it was done with pictures and targets and target practice and pictures of guns and other horrific things, nobody was able to latch onto that information. you are right, there probably was a community of his peers who may have probably seen this, not withstanding, but as far as we know, at least at this point in the investigation, nobody moved on any of that stuff. >> tucker: so we have thisga massive surveillance tape, but

it is not keeping us safer is what you're saying? >> it seems to be the case. it seems to be that, one would think, this is me now hypothesizing, but one would think that we should have the technology at this point so that if somebody is communicating as outwardly as this young man was, that there will be something. whether it is in instagram as a corporation itself, or whether it is within our law enforcement communities. or within our community that perhaps his peers would have triggered something. if there is a story tonight that maybe comes out of this, why the hell not? >> tucker: yeah, algorithms have a tough time reading the human heart. since you are there, give us a snapshot of parkland, florida.

what is this community like? >> they used to play the honda classic about five blocks behind me. million-dollar homes is all you see around here. beautiful landscaping, picturesque family homes.d it is the american dream. this is where everybody wants to come. in many cases to retire or to live.he it is an absolutely magnificent setting. t the last place in the world that you would expect something like this. but obviously the more that we look at cases like this starting from columbine, we see thatso there is no specific pattern. and more often than not, it is in the quiet suburban communities where this happens. >> tucker: that seems to be true. this is a very safe, affluent community, bottom line. >> no question. this is one of the places where if you move, you know south florida, you have been here before. this is one of the places where if you come to south florida, this is one of the neighborhoods you will be taken to and you

have to look at some of the homes in this community, it is magnificent. >> tucker: the school is large, isn't it? >> 4000 students, and apparently it is part of the same school system security patrol that is used in miami-dad county, monroe county, palm beach county, and here in northern broward county, which is one of the best security systems in the country as imperfect as it may be. but i think that we are starting to get a picture as you probably have talked to some folks befort and i know that i have been talking to some of your producers and they have a pretty good beat on the story. this young man had predetermined what he was going to do. he came loaded and he wanted to kill people. it is only a miracle that he did not kill more than 17. i'm not sure there's anything they could have done to stop him. >> tucker: it does not sound that way, from what we know now. but there are a lot of videos

circulating that the report to be from inside the school. a we are not putting any on the air for right now because we cannot be sure that they are real. but i know that you have seen some from your daughter's friends that seem to be real, what do they show? >> well, they show dead bodies.w they show panic. they show children running and screaming. they show what is left of someone who has been riddled with bullets in the classroom with little kids -- i say little kids, 16, 17, 18-year-olds running around perplexed. they show courageous and heroic police officers running into the classroom carrying these injured students and running out with them over their shoulders. and they show the panic that o ensued in the moments that the shooting actually took place and you hear the fear, the screams and the voices of these children, not exactly knowing

what was going on at that time. nor what they really were o expected to do other than hiding under desks. >> tucker: that is horrifying. i don't think i want to see those videos. when you saw them, what did you say to your daughter? >> we have had several conversations. apparently she is part of what happens in the generation that you and i are separated by a couple of years from. they communicate with each other this way. immediately on instagram and on different social media posts, they were sharing who they knew, what they knew. there is a series of school whether it is my daughter's school, which is miles from here or the school where her boyfriend went which is just a couple of blocks from here, but there is this connection between all of the students. many on the baseball teams, because they play on the travel leagues. so the students, whether they go to this school or the school down the road, they all know each other and communicate with each other.

those avenues of communication are the ones that i was able to tap into today interestingly enough because my daughter happens to have a friend of some of the people who were involved in this horrific massacre. >> tucker: rick, thank you for that. i appreciate your perspective on that. >> always a pleasure, tucker. >> tucker: haylee shepherd, a student at marjory stoneman douglas where the shootingnt occurred, she was trapped in a classroom. the s.w.a.t. team struggled to get her out. thank you for coming on. what did you experience today? >> the last 20 minutes of class, there was a fire drill, but it's really weird right away, because we just had one this morning, so everyone already knew that somebody had either pulled it or it was set off, and it could not have been ringing for more than 5 minutes, more than 2 minutes, because that by the time i had reached the stairwell, it had already stopped, and everybody

stood there not knowing exactly what to do. and we just kind of looked around until we heard t three or four loud bangs and everyone who was going down ther stairs ran back up, and about, i want to say over 100 students, just trying to run into a classroom and shut the door. there were kids in my classry running to the corners and jumping over desks and trying to get behind the teacher's desk and it was a mess of --to >> tucker: was the teacher in the room? >> my teacher was not there today. we had a sub, and you could tell he did not really know what to do. at first, we thought it was some kind of messed-up drill. but then we started to smell stuff like smoke and gunpowder, and our parents were calling us

and kids started freaking out and calling everyone. but then other kids were shushing them to be quiet. it seemed like we were there for hours, but just not knowing anything or what was going on. only hearing the sirens outside. >> tucker: did you lock the door? >> the door was already locked. >> tucker: did you have your phone with you? >> yeah. my very first instinct was to take a video of the sound and send it to my parents and tell them that i am okay in the classroom. >> tucker: did they respond? >> yes, almost immediately. >> tucker: what did they say? >> both of them were just very confused and asking me if i was okay and where i was and what building i was in. and if i knew what was going on. to just keep talking to them no matter what.

>> tucker: oh, so you text them while the shooting is going on,e they texted you back. they must have just been panicked. what was your reunion like with your parents?ve >> um, as soon as i left the school, i was crossing the street and they kept having us turn around. i was on the phone with my mom trying to figure out where she was, but she said she was going towards the end, and as soon as i saw her, i just ran to her, and my dad ran. my little sister was there and we were just crying and hugging each other. >> tucker: oh! that is an emotional --na just emotional thinking about that. you were led out of thee classroom and the school by a s.w.a.t. team, what did you see on your way out?e >> i tried not to look, but there was blood and gunpowder and bodies just all over the place.

we were stepping over puddles of blood and just trying not to look. >> tucker: oh. so all of the students in the class that you were in got out safely, is that correct? >> i am pretty sure, yes.th all of the kids that were in the class with me when the door was shut are safe. >> tucker: had you heard of the shooter?n nikolas cruz, had you heard that name before? >> no, i had never heard his name or met him or anything like that. he is a complete stranger to me. >> tucker: he was expelled from your school. you don't know why? >> no. >> tucker: interesting. finally, haylee, have you talked to your classmates since you left the school, how are you doing? >> one of my best friends was

with me the whole time from the staircase to the classroom to leaving the school, andim we have been checking up on each other, and both of us just can't wrap our heads around what exactly happened. it does not feel real. and she does not feel safe. >> tucker: i bet she doesn't. a lot of people can identify with your parents in that way. thank you, haylee for that. >> of course. >> tucker: kelly mccann is a former marine officer, john iannarelli is a special agent executive, and they both join us tonight. kelly, to you, from what we know about the response of the school and law enforcement, do you think it was adequate? >> these policies all changed as a result of columbine, so they are moving directly to the crisis point. you have to remember that these things most historically most of the killings done within the first 5 minutes. so when you look at these

incidents, it is almost an impossibility for a s.w.a.t. team to roll as quickly as they would need to to intervene. it is a difficult, difficult situation. >> tucker: john, one of the things that makes this different is that the suspect is still alive and presumably going to be answering questions soon. if you were talking to him, what would you ask him? how would you get to why he did this?d >> the first question you're going to ask is what motivated you to do this? what happened, and then will build from that. you want to know what kind of literature he was looking at, where there are other students that he had conspired with or encouraged him? or was he being bullied by other students. getting to the catalyst can prevent these things in the future. >> tucker: kelly, do you see a thread between mass shootings like this? >> these things are anomalous events. there have been attempts to do

analysis by a computer, algorithm, profiling, and none of them have really panned out. i mean, they can give you indications. they can give you tendencies, but nothing has been 100%, it is very difficult problem that is a mental health issue. and it is an issue of ouran society being very tolerant and diverse of extreme behavior. how do you sort through extreme behavior when everything is okae to find out those particular behaviors that make it not okay? a previous guest said pictures on instagram about weapons but a lot of people have pictures on instagram with their firearms, they are hunters or target shooters. is that a right algorithm to run? >> tucker: it is not a higher percentage of the population has firearms than 50 years ago, but we have a higher incidence of these kinds of shooting. john, what are you looking at if

you want to answer the riddle, and all of us do, what would you be studying? >> well, there are a lot of different factors that we can use to try to answer the riddle, but your other guest is correct, the reality is that these things are going to occur. we have to be prepared for them. enough of the political nonsense of not talking about it. for example in the united states, every school conducts fire drills, but in the past 50 years, we have had zero fires in schools. but are we conducting active shooter drills where we have had a number of them year after year. the school had a rehearsal in the morning, but are theyhe working at preventing children -- preparing children how to respond in these types of events? >> tucker: how do you respond? if you are running, do you do a lot of training for people? what advice would you give tong school administrators? >> there is a great point, no one takes it seriously. it is not too long ago that

these things would have been looked at as hysterical. if somebody suggested that a major corporation or a school actually have an active shooter drill, there will be a lot of rolling of eyes and talking about nonsense. things that don't matter. this matters. this is not going to stop. these things are historically happening. so the seriousness with whichh you approach these things likeis some of the major corporations that we do training for, they do take it seriously. and we do talk to them and veryo blunt and realistic terms about the realities of the situations. unless you take it seriously, nothing will happen. >> tucker: something of theth reticence is that people do not want to scare the hell out of their kids, to be blunt.t. they do not want to take a sixth-grader and ponder as what it would be like to be shot at. >> you want to have training that is age appropriate. but there are a heck of a lot of kids in florida that are scared anyway because they were not prepared. h it is more than just knowing to walk out of the building.

it is what to do in the classroom, block the door, be prepared to fight back if necessary when you have no other choice. because at the end of the day, i want my kids coming home from school. >> tucker: fight back if necessary if you have no other choice, that is not advice i've ever heard the authorities give anyone. though it seems to make sense, what do you think? >> the government's program they do put it out there, the department of homeland security has that security policy, run, hide, fight.he in the u.k., they do not even have a fight option. you have to think about it in different circumstances. does it make sense for everyone to pile into a classroom when you could break windows and get out? there is some serious thinking that has to go on with this. it is not policy that will make the difference, it's training and making people accept the reality is that these things happen. >> tucker: so currently, john, fleeing the building through a window is not something that

schools teach their teachers to do?ee >> unlikely any school in this country is teaching people to do that. but when i go into the corporate sector, that is exactly what we talk about. block yourself away from the attacker, but make sure that you have a way to get away. if you can't, make sure that you are prepared to defend yourself. in a school, throw chairs, throw desks, your backpacks, but make sure you defend yourself long enough to get away. >> tucker: that seems like really wise and common sense. gentlemen, thank you both. going back to phil keating, fox news phil keating, having new information on this tragedy. >> hi, tucker, behind me is marjory stoneman douglas high school, the scene of the catastrophic school shooting. 17 total fatalities, governor rick scott has arrived from tallahassee. he is at the command center.

as you can imagine the crime scene is massive. he is being briefed by the lead investigative agent from the sheriff's department as well as sheriff scott israel, the fbi is here as well and multiple law enforcement agencies. he's going to get briefed on exactly the status of the situation.rc the school will be remained closed for the next two days for the rest of the week. 12 of the fatalities remain inside the school, the total count is 17 fatalities. we do not know the mix of students and teachers, whether it was a majority of students as one would presume in a school shooting, but senator bill nelson of florida said earlier based on his briefing with law enforcement the sheriff as a 19-year-old -- that the suspect identified by the sheriff as a 19-year-old nkolas cruz. a former student, not currentlyg a student at the high school but had been expelled from the high school and was arresteded nearby, a mile and a half away.

the lone gunman said by the sheriff to have multiple magazines full of bullets on him as well as in the assault rifle. he was not wounded by police officers, as far as we know. he was treated at a nearby hospital and released, now in custody, being processed, but he is alive. no motive given by the sheriff, but the governor and the sheriff are expected right here behind me at this podium, perhaps as early as the top of the hour to update us with everything they know about this unbelievably horrendous day. >> tucker: a lot of information, i may have missed it when you said it. he did depart by ambulance, do we know what his injury was and how he got it? >> we do not know. the sheriff would not answer that specific question. i asked of him at the brief statement ceremony that he gave at the press conference at 6:30 p.m. so no answers given on motive or what his injuries were.

how he was injured, nor do we know exactly the total counts right now of all of the 15 that were wounded and injured as well as the 17 that were shot and killed, 12 inside the schoolha comment two outside the school, one down the street and two others that died in the hospital. we do not know the ages of these victims or whether they were all students, mostly students, or whether a teacher was involved, perhaps. w >> tucker: phil keating, thank you for the update. there's a lot going on. ♪ we are going to go to break, and we will be back in just a minute with more. i think we are getting more information on the suspect. we are going to have it for you when we come back. . ♪

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>>continuing the fox news >> tucker: 17 people are dead, 17 children dead after say shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school in south florida. the suspected shooter is called nikolas cruz. unusual for a case like this, he was captured alive by police. what do we know about him? we are joined by trace gallaghe trace gallagher. >> florida senator marco rubio said the attack was very well-planned and that now appears to be a case. the suspect, 19-year-old nikolas cruz was enrolled at marjory stoneman douglas high a few months ago before he was expelled for disciplinary reasons. his fellow classmates told our miami fox affiliate that cruz and the layout of the school. he knew where most of the students would be at 2:00 in the afternoon and he knew by pulline the fire alarm which many students that he did it would draw more students into the

hallway. some students even say that last year many of their fellow classmates jokingly predicted that if there was a school shooting, nikolas cruz would be the attacker. one classmate recall cruz showing him pictures of guns on his cell phone saying that he planned to use them because shooting weapons gave him an exhilarating feeling. one of the teachers at stoneman douglas told the "miami herald" that cruz made threats against students last year and because of that he was listed as a security threat. the teacher claims the faculty was warned that cruz was not to be allowed on campus with a backpack. tonight the broward county sheriff said the suspects social media footprint was disturbing and the social media accounts we pulled up reflect that. on instagram, nikolas cruz followed several gun groups, posted pictures of himself brandishing knives and guns and even followed middle eastern groups like syrian resistance fighters. iraqi fighters. he recently posted one picture of a bull's-eye riddled with bullets and a caption that reads

"group therapy. you should tryry it." the 19-year-old suspect reportedly took part in a recent youtube chat room dealing with bombs and one police learned about the online forum, they immediately warned police and s.w.a.t. teams at the high school to be on the lookout for any signs of explosive devices. so far, there is no indication they have found any but a short time ago the broward county sheriff confirmed the 19-year-old suspect use an error 15 semiautomatic rifle with countless magazines, intimating the attack could have lasted much longer. we apparently will hear more from the sheriff in about 10 minutes. >> tucker: that is the question. how did police stop him without killing him? thank you very much. emily is a student at the high school where the shooting occurred. she was there today. how did you know -- you were in the building when it started. how did you know it was a shooting? >> at first we didn't w know.

thee fire alarm went off and everyone was like okay, this is weird because the alarm went off earlier today and all we knew was that the teachers were like get your stuff. we would go to the designated area. as wef were walking to our designated area, the teachers were like, okay, you need to go to the middle school. we had never done that before. all of a sudden you hear many students and some teachers saying it's serious. it isn't a drill. there has been a school shootin shooting. at first, you don't think ofee t as anything. you don't think of it as if it's real. you don't expect it to be real. but after that, people started saying -- people started saying it's real. even teachers started saying it is real. it was so scary. i met my friend at the l.a. fitness and we ran over

there. i didn't know about the shooting. i didn't hear any gunshots, thank god. i didn't hear any of that but i -- my friend told me one of her friends and one of the classes, a girl came into g her class with two bullets in her leg. that's how everyone knew there was a shooting at the school. sorry. go ahead. >> tucker: i am listening intently. you said there was a girl with a bullet in her leg. >> yeah, there was a girl with a bullet in her leg. after that, it was crazy. sorry. i'm getting so many notifications right now. >> tucker: i understand. irs can't imagine how you can speaksp so fluently after watchg something like that. i assume you are hunkered in your classroom. >> no, we -- it was really

normal. it wasn't even crazy. everyone was normal when the alarm came off. no one expected it to be anything serious. it was all the way -- i was all the way on the other side of the building. that's when we knew. we got to our designated area, everyone started rushing into the school, it into westlake and that's when we knew it was real. >> tucker: had you ever heard of this boy, nikolas cruz? >> i actually have. back when i was in ninth grade, i knew his brother or half-brother orr something. in fact, he would tell me that his brother had guns and at night all he would here was gun sounds. reloading and reloading and reloading. i thought wow, this guy is crazy.

should have done something. >> tucker: i am sorry we you wt through this. thank you for joining us. you have remarkable ploys. stay with fox. our coverage continues right no now. seen in the video in maroon in custody they are now working to determine a possible motive tonight. authorities are saying that he is a former student and was previously expelled for disciplinary reasons. part of senator bill nelson is offering up new details of the attack saying that the suspect or a gas mask, had smoke grenades, had set up the fire alarm so that students