solutions and there is no one solution, i think it is safe to say. >> jon: more coverage throughout the day. >> melissa: "outnumbered" starts right now. >> sandra: fox news alert, we are awaiting another update from the sheriff. >> harris: on the massacre at a florida high school. first, the president addressed a grieving nation one day after one of the deadliest school shootings in the country. new potential warning signs missed, we are awaiting the suspect's first court. 19-year-old, accused of killing at least 17 people at a florida high school. students who knew him say they knew he was trouble. one boy even said "everyone predicted it." right now, there is a moment of silence being observed on the senate floor in our nation's capital. this is "outnumbered." i am harris faulkner, host of

"kennedy," kennedy. fox news contributor, lease lisa boothe, trish regan on fox news business and joining us today, national syndicated radio talk show host and former cia analyst, buck sexton. he is "outnumbered." we will lean on the cia experience, no doubt. let's get to the news. a short time ago, president trump said he's going to visit parkland florida where this tragedy happened. nikolas cruz walked onto the campus with a gas mask, smoke grenades, and multiple magazines. he opened fire on children and teachers. president trump said his administration will protect our nation's schools. watch. >> we hold onto god's word in scripture. "i have heard your prayer and i have seen your tears. i will heal you." we trust in that promise and hold fast to our fellow

americans in the time of their sorrow. i will be meeting with the nation's governors and attorney general for making our schools and our children safer, it will be our top priority. it is not enough to simply take actions that make us feel like we are making a difference. we must actually make that difference. >> harris: we are also hearing new stories from survivors and witnesses. >> we were in p/e on the field. we heard the gunshots. we hid in the tennis courts. then we went to the locker rooms and we were in there from 2.5-3 hours. we went on to into the gymnasium and they evacuated us. >> my teacher was dead. i saw him at my classmates, now everything is okay. my class seems good. >> hiding together, you would

know that this shouldn't be happening anymore. it's not fair to happen to anyone >> we knew it was going to be him. stuff like that. saying he would be the one that shoots up the school. it turns out everyone predicted it. >> buck: >> buck:>> harris: ricn update. >> law enforcement will do everything we can. the fbi and ourselves to make sure this person is convicted of all charges and that justice is served. >> how do we make sure when a parent is ready to send their child to school in florida and that parent knows the child is going to be safe? number two, how do we make sure individuals with mental illness do not touch a gun? >> we had an athletic director, campus monitor who responded immediately when there was signs of trouble in the school. unfortunately, those two heroes gave their lives for our kids.

>> harris: steve harrigan is a live for us near marjory stoneman douglas high school. steve. >> harris, the president addressed the nation today but also taking time out to directly address children to reassure them he would do everything possible to keep them safe in their schools. he said he plans to visit the people in parkland to try to help heal their wounds. he called the attack, the massacre, something evil. he framed it as a mental health issue and did not mention gun-control in his remarks. as far as the sheriff of broward county, he said it is still a crime scene inside the school. there are still dead bodies inside the school being processed. they are going fast as possible. all the families of the dead have been notified. some postings on social media, some victims identified by social

family members. the words "broken," people that survived the attack but remain very damaged. video footage showing the police smashing into classrooms, trying to protect and save as many children as possible. it gives the sense of the chaos and the attack, and the aftermath i'm a firearm, it is unable to be told why the shooter was on the loose for over an hour. we are learning more about nikolas cruz, 19 years old, an orphan who lost his mother just three months ago. some disturbing pictures on his social media profile. local law enforcement says the profile overall is extremely disturbing. the number of shots of cruz with guns and knives. he makes its first court appearance this afternoon at 2:00 p.m. he is currently charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder. harris, back to you.

>> harris: buck sexton, former analyst of the cia. how does the issue of mental illness is talked about at high levels of protecting the nation? >> buck: it's difficult because you have to deal with the laws that are right now. and adjudicate somebody to be mentally incompetent and unstable. the background check system won't necessarily do much in preventing them from getting a weapon. at this point, i don't think we are looking at a situation where there were red flags missed. this was a system failure despite various points of the system being quite clear that nikolas cruz was dangerous most likely. certainly unstable and certainly a person who needed additional attention. people did raise it to the fbi. authorities were aware. would you expect action to be taken? they did what was seen in their power to do. law enforcement, friends and

family, the school. that's why this is so frustrating right now. >> harris: kennedy, that's an interesting point. it isn't that the red flags are missed but if you put them all together, how many red flags does it take to trigger the system? are there certain red flags that trigger more than others? it's time to have these conversations. >> kennedy: if you have the school telling teachers make sure you don't let this kid on campus, particularly with a backpack? and you have students who joke about the fact that this person is so mentally unstable that there is a high probability he's going to shoot up a school, we have a shooter who posts on youtube "i'm going to be a professional school shooter." someone who sees that video alerts the fbi. you have local law enforcement, the school, when you have the feds and everyone knows, you have to wonder what else do we have to do? buck is right, a background check wouldn't have done this. it wouldn't have done anything about this kid. it's not appropriate to have conversations about prohibition. we have to talk about violent

tendencies and mental illness. identifying that and treating it before it manifests so horrifically. >> harris: we have an opportunity right now, trish and lisa, we will continue the conversation in a few moments. let's bring in the mayor of parkland florida, christine. to say this was a tough day is such an understatement but you are moving toward some answers. can you give us the latest? >> the latest was the update we got from our broward county sheriff, the families have been notified about their loved ones. it is still an active crime scene and they are doing their best to make sure they have all the evidence they need. >> harris: this does not happen in a vacuum. you are in a state where we know we have seen more recently other mass shootings. i'm wondering, community-wide, what are you feeling from wider florida and beyond? >> are feeling in the community

is, you might not know, parkland it is in the northwest corner of broward county. we are a little city. very community-oriented, family-oriented. people volunteer from many organizations. when hurricane irma hit, when they got electricity, they said what else can we do? for us to have this experience is extremely devastating and shocking. it shows something like this can happen anywhere. >> harris: one thing the sheriff brought up at his last briefing was there were reports of copycat acts and they are going to respond in full fashion. not to take this as a prank or hoax. and those people who are pulling those things off, as hoaxes, they will be charged. what are you hearing from local law enforcement about that situation and what are you telling your community? >> we are telling our community

if you see something, say something. often, sometimes we get so busy with our own lives, we see something and say it's not really that important or it doesn't affect us and it won't amount to anything. this is bringing more attention, we have to pay attention and if we see something, that's what the police are there for. we need to see say something and take these things seriously. there was that can happen is that we make a mistake. the worse i can happen is that we make a mistake. >> harris: you have heroes among them, teachers and staff. also law enforcement on the premises too. for protecting schools in your area, you say you are a small community but you have that presence. >> yes. the city we live in, parkland, safety is a priority of ours. we had one of the safest cities in the u.s. along with the broward county schools and city funding, we

make sure we have a school resource deputy officer at every campus. these officers develop relationships with these students and bond with them so if the students may be don't want to say anything at home, they have a safe person to seek to at school. >> harris: what is being talked about in terms of mental illness or mental health within the school system right now? this is a focal point. we know this man had a history. >> yes, that is something being talked about right now among our broward county school board and the school system. right here, for me is the mayor right now, i am focusing on people picking up their children from the morgue today. i'm trying to make sure those that have been affected and our community are getting the services they need to be able to get through that situation. >> harris: you mentioned the sheriff had talked about identifying the 17 young men and

women to have left us. including the young assistant coach who shielded others, protecting them and being there for those families. we learn from others as they go through grief. as he described being at the morgue, our prayers are with you, mayor. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> harris: wow. let's go to the senate floor. florida senator marco rubio is speaking. let's watch live together. >> yesterday, because it has happened so often, people from across the political spectrum are arguing "there's got to be something we can do. you have to be able to do something." i agree with that sentiment and i understand it. i would add, though, if we do something, it should be something that works. the struggle up to this point is that most of the proposals that

have been offered would not have prevented not just yesterday's tragedy but any of those in recent history. i'm going to say now what i really emphasize at the end. they would not have prevented these. therefore, we don't just raise our hands and say there's nothing we can do. it's a tough issue because it's part of the reason why it is so hard to prevent these. it's because someone decides that they are going to take it upon themselves to kill people. whether it is a political assassination of one person or the mass killing of many, if one person decides to do it and they are committed to that task, it is a very difficult thing to stop. that doesn't mean we should try to prevent as many as we can. perhaps the answer and how to prevent them is asking ourselves

"what do these things have in common?" they have two things in common. every single one of them was premeditated and planned. none of these shootings were an act of passion where someone got up in the morning, was upset, and decided to do something out of rage. they all involved careful planning and premeditation. they deliberately took steps to get the guns, weapons, ammunition's that they needed. in many cases, they carefully studied the outline of the target they were going to go after. they specifically planned soft targets. there is evidence of that in this case. and they planned to maximize the loss of life. they acquired the weapon they needed and they used tactics that they needed. to kill as many people as they could. by the way, because of that premeditation and planning, it's one of the reasons why these laws that have been proposed wouldn't have prevented them. because when someone is planning and premeditating and attack it,

they will figure out a way to evade those laws or comply with them. in order to get around it. that may be an argument for new laws of a different kind. but it is what makes it's hard, though not impossible. the second thing they have in common is that almost all of these attacks were preceded by clear signs of what was to come. a cursory review this morning but just a handful of the recent cases points that out. we are all familiar with the loss of life of over 20 people in a texas church not too long ago. a case of a killer whose wife said she tried to kill her. an individual was arrested and convicted for domestic violence, which was unfortunately never reported to the background check system. the victim escaped a mental health facility, caught sneaking guns onto an air force base while on active duty. discharged from the military for

bad conduct. social media post bragging about buying guns to shoot them. and expressed -- an individual charged with animal mistreatment just a few years earlier. in sandy hook, we know the killer had a spreadsheet with details of the previous school shootings. there was also an individual whose mental state was rapidly deteriorating to the point where they spoke to no one but his mother, who he ultimately killed before carrying out the horrific massacre. someone who was isolated in their room all day, largely playing video games. in the pulse attack, precipitated and inspired by a jihadist ideology, this individual not once but twice had been on the radar screen of the fbi and both times had been cleared. they interviewed him and asked him questions.

he didn't meet the standard for staying on the list and he came off. we are still learning facts about yesterday's killer. unlike these others, we may learn more because he was apprehended alive and authorities had an opportunity to question him. that will continue. here's what we know. he was expelled from school for behavior that the administrators thought was dangerous. from press accounts, both teachers and students did not act surprised that he was the assailant. in fact, many had said there was a running joke -- obviously not a joke anymore -- that he would one day do something like this. we know the media and others have discovered social media posts which are, in hindsight, deeply disturbing. they point to the glorification of gun violence and murder and animal cruelty, apparently. we sell reports of a post on youtube a year ago where he posted that he wanted to be a school shooter. this was alerted to the fbi.

who had followed up in an interview with that person who alerted them. they all have this premeditation in common. we sit here in hindsight and see all these little points and say take them together, these are warning signs. the problem is, they are not taken together. the people who might have known about him being expelled may not have known about the social media posts. the people who knew about the social media post may not have known about what he wrote on youtube and the people that knew about youtube might not have known that the police have been called several times for different reasons and so forth. hence, the challenge for why it is so hard to find something that works. there are a lot of proposals. i'll share the ones because i've heard them before and i am not diminishing them. i don't want this to be taken as "because it won't work, i don't even want to hear your argument." i understand, i really do. you hear in the newspapers that

they used a certain kind of gun and therefore, let's make it harder to get those kind of guns. i don't have a defective religious objection to that or some ideological conviction to that per se. there are all kinds of guns that are outlawed and weatherly weat are outlawed. the problem is, we did that once and it did not work for a lot of reasons. there are already millions of these on the street. they last 100 years. you could pass a law that makes it hard to get this kind of gun in a new condition. but you are going to struggle to keep it out of the hands of someone who has decided that's what they want to use because there are so many of them out there already that would be grandfathered in. you can do a background check. l these cases, i cited the individual either erroneously patted passed the background check or

would have. even if they could not pass the background check, they could buy them the way ms-13 does and other gangs, on the black market. >> harris: senator marco rubio touching on the renewed gun control debate on capitol hill, amongst some of his other comments. a former student allegedly walked into a florida high school and open fire. it was ash wednesday. if you see that picture of devastated parents. a woman wearing a cross of ashes to mark the day. chris murphy said congress must act now. >> this happens nowhere else. other than the united states of america. this epidemic of mass slaughter, this scorch of school shooting after school shooting.

it only happens here not because of coincidence, not because of bad luck, but as a consequence of our inaction. we are responsible. >> harris: republican senator ted cruz of texas, whose own state that was rocked by a mass shooting in a church in november you will recall, reacted to those calls for more gun control this way. >> the reaction of democrats to any tragedy is try to politicize it. they immediately start to call that we've got to take away the second amendment rights of law-abiding citizens. that's not the right answer. in sutherland springs, i was there the day after the shooting. i was in that sanctuary, that was covered with bullet holes and blood. the most horrific thing i've ever seen in my life. when i was in the hospital with the victims and their families, over and over and over again,

they said gun control is not the answer here. >> harris: mike, live on capitol hill. we were just watching marco rubio on the senate floor. lawmakers talking about it in depth today. >> harris, no question about it. they had a moment of silence to honor the victims in parkland, florida. the speaker reacted like a father a short time ago. >> there are a lot of words that come with being a parent of teenagers. we've got three of them. this is the nightmare. this is pure evil. >> his counterpart, house democratic leader called this "the time for action." >> would rather pass gun safety legislation then win the election because people die from this. this clinical survival is more important than that? nobody's. >> the attack in parkland florida has led to a familiar conversation about gun control addressing mental health and trying to figure out what can be

done from a legislative perspective to prevent future attacks. one senate democrats suggested showing lawmakers graphic photos of the victims could lead to a more motivated congress. >> when you see the effect of this extreme violence on human bodies, and especially the body of a child, maybe it will shock some people into understanding this cannot be a political issue. we have to be practical. i support the second amendment. we have to have smart gun safety laws. >> president trump's initial reaction to the tragedy was saying his prayers and condolences to the victims of this terrible florida shooting. he said no parent, child, or teacher should feel unsafe in an american school. to that, massachusetts democrat congressman steph moulton tweeted "i agree with every word donald trump said. i invite him to get off his --

and do something about it." >> we have not done a very good job of making sure people that have mental reasons for not being able to handle a gun, giving their name on the fbi files, we need to concentrate on that. >> speaker ryan warned about the knee-jerk reaction before all the facts are known but some on capitol hill are worried that because it is a difficult issue, congress will do nothing again. >> harris: oh, wow. people know that will resonate with them and they will say yeah, they believe that. mike emanuel, thank you very much. yeah, they have the low approval ratings for a reason, don't they, kennedy? >> kennedy: absolutely. >> harris: i want to have a real conversation about gun control since they are having it on capitol hill. let's do it here. not everyone agrees on whether you should be able to buy an ar-15. where do you sit? >> kennedy: i tend to be very

pro-second amendment. i think if you take guns away from good people, there are so many guns that they will proliferate in the hands of bad people. you know, it is such a shortsighted discussion when we only talk about guns. you can take a gun away from someone. you can take guns away from all sorts of people. increased background checks, but you have not addressed the crazy. when chris murphy says this doesn't happen in other countries, oh, it does. what do you tell the families of 90 plus people killed in a bombing in kabul? it is so cast aside, there's no sanctity there. it is so easy to murder and take lives. it's not only in this country. abstracting guns from the entire picture is not only disingenuous, it becomes very dangerous. >> harris: separate, if you will for me, we are not talking

about necessarily taking away guns but this particular gun because it has been showing up at crime scenes. >> buck: ar-15s are owned by millions of people. it's a semiautomatic rifle. it's not in fact a weapon that the military would be carrying. it is fully automatic. the vast majority occurs with handguns. rifles in general are a tiny fraction of overall gun violence. the band would be nonsensical. >> harris: kennedy, you say you are in favor of keeping it on the market. ar-15? i do not want to misquote you. >> kennedy: we should not have knee-jerk bands. you can kill someone with a revolver. there are other ways of modifying meth weapons to make them just as effective. it is not going to make it safer. >> lisa: i had friends going to virginia tech at the time of the shooting there.

he used handguns to kill 32 people. columbine, 15 out of the 20 worst shootings have happened since then. meanwhile, gun crimes at large are going down. what are the drivers behind all of these individuals wanting to commit such evil acts? you can take it, regardless of what gun, they choose to use to commit their heinous acts. what are the underlying issues? what societal problems that we have right now driving people to commit these crimes? mental health issues, there are deeper issues than what weapon they used to conflict heinous crimes. >> harris: we are talking about mental illness and what the precursors could have been for perhaps this person not being able to buy a gun. what are your thoughts, trish? >> trish: i think that's the root of the problem here. we have, unfortunately, too many unstable and crazy people with the ability to access these

weapons. it doesn't matter whether it is a weapon or a truck, you can kill people by running them over with a truck. we have certainly seen that. the answer is, we need to get a lot tougher as a society with recognizing mental illness and doing something about it. they should be able to conflict this kind of harm on the population. freedom of speech, you should be able to say whatever you want. when a guy he is about how he wants to become a school shooter and he wants to kill members of law enforcement, those should be the red flags to put processes in place to say listen, maybe this guy belongs in the psychiatric ward where he will not do this kind of harm. >> harris: that's a tough conversation to have because some could push against that and say does it impinge on freedom? it is so important we have it.

>> kennedy: and maybe the government can't always keep you safe. >> harris: we will await that update from the sheriff. there are big questions on whether authorities dropped the ball on any of the spirit amid reports that the fbi was warned about the suspect, just exactly what trish was talking about. after an online post hinted about a shooting like yesterday's. president trump earlier addressed a grieving nation amid criticism from some in the mainstream media over his initial response to the massacre yesterday. we will talk about whether the president sent the right message. stay close. >> to every parent, teacher, and child who is hurting so badly, we are here for you. whatever you need, whatever we can do to ease your pain.

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>> it is just too often the case that the perpetrators have given signals in advance, you are experienced professionals, you and i know we cannot arrest everybody. somebody thinks is dangerous. but i think we can and we must do better. we owe it to all those kids crying outside their school yesterday and all those that never made it out of their school. >> harris: attorney general jeff sessions amid questions on whether authorities knew the suspect was a danger. they confirmed they received a tip from a youtube post, nikolas cruz alluding to the school shooting we saw yesterday. they posted several photos of weapons on his instagram accoun. here is an fbi official earlier. >> in 2017, the fbi received information about a comment made on the youtube channel.

the comment simply said "i'm going to be a professional school shooter." no other information was included with that comment, a time, location, or true identity of the person who made that comment. the fbi conducted database reviews, checks, but was unable to further identify the person who actually made the comment. >> harris: i've got a lot of questions there. we are joined by bill gavin, former assistant director of the fbi in new york. a man who had a big job for a lot of years. chief executive for the fbi new york, miami, and denver. my problem with this is they didn't know who he was. otherwise, they wouldn't have known about the youtube video they were looking at. did the chat post just pop up f the blue? >> the individual brought the youtube posting to the attention of the bureau.

when they went back to this individual, as they just said, they were unable to identify the individual who made that posting. i don't know what more what they've said. the dots conducted subsequent to the incident. that is truly unfortunate but i'm sure it triggered in the mind of somebody in mississippi, the one who took the original, this could be related and it went backwards to the shooter. >> harris: are there just so many people out there who have dots connected that we can't possibly know who is gonna pop up and who won't? >> absolutely. the line between freedom of speech and civil liberties and actually something the fbi can sink their teeth into and

investigate is a blurry, wavy line and it is not always easy to determine what you can and cannot do. you are right, the dots are scattered all over the place and there is no way to connect them until another.comes in. it's like something that incurs in all of our lives. somebody say something to you and you don't know what it means and then something else is said two days later and that's what happens in real life and in the world of law enforcement. >> harris: do know what else is happening in real life? these kids at the school, they had done all the.connecting. it was already done, as you pointed out. there is something that can come on campus with a backpack. it communicates a whole lot of things. like this person is a danger and if they are carrying anything, you want to report that. this guy would probably be the next one to do whatever on the spectrum. we can't say we didn't know. i understand what you're saying

but are we not listening to some of the voices that are the loudest, maybe they just happened to be young? >> that could be, harris. these kids actually absolutely new. i don't think there's any doubt about that but how customer gets a multifaceted problem that is going to need a multifaceted solution. many times, we shy away from solutions in life because they are too controversial. somewhere along the line, take a stand. rudy giuliani did that in new york. we took a very unfavorable stance about minor crimes, protecting the bigger problem of the city. we need to do things like that. with the police officer in the school, educators, teachers, students need to go through some sort of a training process. a vetting process and a process

where somebody does something about their concerns. i've got it, i'll put it on file, you've gotta do something more about it. they are and lives the problem about civil liberties and whatnot. therein lies the problem. >> harris: do we have enough protection on those that are protecting our kids? are they able to carry the kind of weaponry? this broward county area, you know it well. are they able to carry the weapons to respond yesterday? >> sometimes it is difficult to decide what kind of weapons. you don't want to have the idea of an educational institution, young and smart, you don't want to have them on campus but you need something available to the individuals in there and the training. i know full well the fbi has done multiple training exercises

with law enforcement, whether it be read cell exercises, tabletop exercises to adjust situations like this. it's a terrible tragedy into say something is going to happen again, it's extremely tragic to have to admit something like that. we need to do something about it and we'll talk about it but we don't actualize our concerns. >> harris: bill gavin, thank you so much. you probably could see while we were talking moments ago that there was video on the screen showing the people were outside. here is the live picture from parkland, florida. i can tell you from reading a few of these signs that people have gathered, waiting for the next update, we have been told it would be an hour from the last one. that could be any moment now. we are keeping an eye on any update from officials. they would reveal for the first time the timeline that they are working on. they said they weren't ready to

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this >> we are waiting for an update from the broward county sheriff, 19-year-old charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder in that florida school shooting. an hour after the massacre, police caught him a mile away. let's bring in senior judicial analyst, judge paula tunnel. it's impossible to wrap your head around what took place yesterday. what took is the alleged shootr facing? >> capital murder, translation,

the death penalty. this was a planned and plotted murder. in which he took extraordinary steps to maximize the horror and misery and death. all of that fits well within florida statute for capital murder. he is 19. he will be tried as an adult. everything will be in public. i would be quite surprised if the government does not seek the death penalty. what would cause them not to seek it? they have the right to examine him by a psychiatrist. if he doesn't appreciate right from wrong, they will have difficulty proving the planning and plotting but what we observed yesterday and today, it is a classic death penalty case. >> kennedy: we heard the fbi had this young man on their radar. what are we hearing from the bureau and what is your take on the fact that someone with so many red flags could commit such an atrocity? >> kennedy, you and i have

spoken many times off the air the fbi. this is another black eye. it appears in september just six month ago, he posted on used ye "i want to be a professional school shooter." that youtube posting was noticed by a bales bondsman in mississippi. the bales bondsman in mississippi called the fbi. instead of visiting the sky, cruz, the bails bondsman said i'd just saw it. if they went beyond that, they didn't know. they didn't find him and talk to him. what you mean you want to become a professional school shooter? apparently those inquiries were not made. >> kennedy: certainly not satisfactory when you have the

school, fbi, local cops and hundreds of children who knew this person was a risk. judge, thank you so much. heighten schools safety concerns after the florida shooting massacre. special training and security measures still failed to save the 17 lives. what can we be doing better to combat these attacks? we will discuss that in moments. stay right here. you know what's awesome? gig-speed internet.

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>> kennedy: welcome back. new school safety concerns after multiple security measures and active shooter training were not enough to save lives in yesterday's massacre in florida. the school district superintendent says the incident will force school systems across the country to work hard to keep schools safe. "he knows the school layout, he knows where everyone would be and as of right now, he has prepared for this step." since the year 2000, there have been 21 fatal shootings at elementary, middle, and high schools nationwide. s.w.a.t. officer, welcome to the show, good to see you. what breaks through for you? what are you noticing most about this shooting that sets it apart? >> obviously, with a lot of

active shooters, what we are looking at are people that do have familiarity, factory workers that come back and assault the factory, students that go to the schools, the company workers that know the ins and outs of the facilities. you can build that better mousetrap but the people inside that building, those employees or students are always going to know the ways to defeat you trying to build that better mousetrap, to try to get that facility as secure as you can. they will always know the weak points. >> kennedy: what can schools take from this? from our understanding, we know there was an armed guard who was not able to stop this attack. as we do the unfortunate post modem more to him and pulled us apart, what are some of the things, as parents are watching, they are scared today. they feel like their children are sitting ducks. what do schools learn? >> in addition to a single armed guard, maybe it should be a team of no less than three that

should be there. when we are talking about armed, we don't want to have those weapons, they have to be highly trained people come up are -- they still understand grand versus connor and the deadly force that we operate under, that are fit. "jdl art," it just doesn't look right. they can respond quicker. you would definitely need more than one armed security officer. someone highly trained with the mind-set to be able to defeat somebody like that. >> kennedy: and have fought someone before they are able to do maximum damage. john, thank you so much. >> you bet. the other thing is you have to be able to mitigate that but you aren't going to be able to prevent it in those cases just using that armed individual. >> kennedy: thanks again. buck, what is your take on

school safety? >> buck: there were armed officers who are at the high school but this high school has almost 3,000 students and multiple buildings. even with armed and highly trained personnel, now what you are talking over 500,000 schools at the replicated. they can't be everywhere at all times. if someone comes in with a rifle and you are talking about killing people, you have to talk about not just mitigation. >> kennedy: it is scary. >> lisa: we need to secure our students and schools and we need to think long and hard about mental health in this country. it's not going to be easy and people may not like it but if you are crazy and posting stuff like this guy was, something's gotta do something about it. >> lisa: with the texas church shooting, it was an armed citizen that stopped the shooter, who was also an nra instructor. perhaps we have to look at citizens being able to arm themselves in certain areas like the school, a gun free zone.

perhaps teachers at the school that has training. >> kennedy: a lot of teachers don't want to have guns. they don't want to feel like they are in a war zone. but we have to do something. we are "outnumbered," stay right here.

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and thanks, i know you make sense of the hardest situations. we're back at noon eastern tomorrow. right now, let's go to harris faulkner. harris: again, we're awaiting a fresh update from the county sheriff in florida as the suspect in yesterday's school shooting is set to make his first court appearance. we should say we've been promised to get a look at the timeline for the very first time in that next update. extremely important to keep our eyes on that let's go to "outnumbered overtime." the 19-year-old suspect who had been expelled from school charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder now. it's the nation's worst school shooting since sandy hook. he's expected to appear before a judge in a south florida courtroom in the next hour. president trump, who has ordered flags to be flown at half-staff, seeking to soothe the nation