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sinister thoughts, we love to hear them. that is a "the story" for tonight. we're glad you're with us this evening. we'll be back tomorrow night at 7:00. my friend tucker carlson from d.c. is up next. >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. police are searching for clues to explain the mass shooting yesterday and parkland florida. nikolas cruz apparently a murdered 17 people, that's the allegation including teachers and students before being captured off-campus by police. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we want to give you the update on the latest. we'll go to ed henry who is in south florida tonight. hey ed. >> tucker, good to see you. an affidavit out new tonight from the broward county sheriff shows and facts that the suspect told the police that he was the shooter basically confessing to this, what everybody already knew and i can tell you, that
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death toll still stands at 17, far too high, but there are a lot of people on the ground who ground who thought it might climb some more because of the carnage they were seeing yesterday. but for the fact that you had a remarkable amount of people at the hospital behind me who worked through the night on people who were going through surgery, and critical condition and they basically saved their lives and for the first time, we talked to those doctors today to tell us what it was like when they called that code green, all hands on deck to deal with patient after patient as we are also getting, harrowing experiences from students inside that high school. listen. >> we kept on getting phone calls, are you ready to receive more patients? are you ready to take this one, are you ready to take that one question michael >> i'm still scared. i have that the sound of the gunshots right in my head. i just hear it constantly. >> he got us in.
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i would say 30-40 students into the teacher's classroom at the same time and as a result of their heroic actions, they saved probably all of our lives, about 40 of us. speak out listen to that last a student talking about a janitor, an unsung hero and all of those who realized that when the shooter pulled the fire alarm come out there were about 40 barricaded students, as you heard there who then rushed right towards the shooter. they didn't realize it at first. the janitor told them to turn around. they went into another room, they went to safety. they believe it 40 more could have been killed. again, 17 is far too many, but i can tell you a glimmer of hope tonight which is despite all the patients last night who were in critical condition here, tonight there is only one in critical condition and they're hopeful that ed will soon be zero and everyone will be getting out and going home very soon. >> tucker: and had me force in florida, thanks a lot.
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any decent person is horrified by what happened yesterday and parkland. every thoughtful person knows of something horrible is going on in american society. tragedies like this happen for a reason and it doesn't have a lot to do with guns. the percentage of american households with firearms has dropped dramatically over the past 35 years. meanwhile, the number of mass shootings has risen. if you're over 40, you did not grow up in a country like this. the question is, what happened? it could be a lot of things. far more americans than ever before take psychiatric medications. our outbursts of violence a potential side effect question right we don't know, but it's possible. does the social atomization play a role? spending life online does cause alienation, we know that. last week we interviewed author johan hari who is studying a dramatic rise of depression in this country. he pointed out the most common answer to the question how many close friends do you have now zero. the lack of meaningful relationships does cause
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despair. perhaps in rare cases, it drives some to mass murder. meanwhile the nuclear family has collapsed and nationwide. does the generation of boys growing up without fathers pose a threat to this country? of course it does, why wouldn't it? fatherlessness is one feature common to many mass shooters. nobody's surprised by that. what about men more broadly? as a group, men are not thriving in this country right now. ignore the propaganda, there's a lot of it. instead, look at the numbers. men kill themselves more, graduate less and commit pretty much 100% of mass shootings. it's a disaster which for some reason we are persistent on ignoring. in march, will begin a month-long series everyone stay for what's happening to men. why we haven't been talking about this for years. we're not seeing any of these factors because the massacre we saw yesterday, we don't know that. we are saying we ought to do our honest best as a nation to figure out what is going on here, but we're not doing that.
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that vital conversation has been drowned out and made impossible by mindless reaching about gun control led by blustery charlatans in the media, you know that we who they are and also in congress whose only real agenda is moral preening. they're trying to solve the problem, their aims are darker than that. press a little bit and you'll see it. sensible gun reform, you heard that phrase a lot. you heard it all day today on cable news. what does that mean? banning bomb stocks? no. a piece on vox.com today calls for a landmark gun-control bill like the one australia past 22 years ago in 1996. that's what a lot of liberals are always telling you about, but the australian law wasn't gun control and it wasn't a voluntary buyback matter what they tell you, it wasn't gun confiscation. a wholesale disarmament. imagine what would happen if he he tried that here in this country. america is not australia for a bunch of reasons including our history and our bill of rights.
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imagine federal officials mulching from hearts to house using hundreds of millions of firearms and then finding and imprisoning those who resist. it's a recipe for bloodshed and civil war. it's nuts. it's a common fantasy on the left. dan pfeiffer was a senior advisor to barack obama, now he is an contributor at cnn of course. last fall, he wrote an article attacking his fellow democrats for what he called a fake a moderation on guns. stop pretending to respect the constitution and instead focus on appointing judges who will it. the goal, gun seizures, ammunition regulation, the disarmament of the american population. a country where only the people in charge have guns and everyone else obeys. in the wake of the shooting, his pieces going viral on the left. what he wrote is what they believe is let's stop lying about this. the calls are hearing today for gun control have nothing to do
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with protecting americans from violence. what you're witnessing is a kind of class war. the left hates rural america. the america that elected donald trump, they hate them. they despise the autonomy of an armed population. they want collective punishment for the sins of a few. they seek to obliterate our core constitutional right rather than trying to mitigate its downsize. they call it gun control, but it's not. it's people control. for the left, voters who can't be controlled can't be trusted. why have we seen such a massive increase in shootings like this? judge alex far as a former miami-dade county judge and they both join us tonight. judge, to you first. we're going to find a lot more in this specific case because usually this shooter is still alive, but we have seen a pretty big spike of shootings like this. why do you think that is?
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>> it would be very difficult to jump into the mind of these shooters and come up with a very simple explanation for why they're behaving that way. clearly society has changed and its relationship with violence. i remember when i was growing up, there was nowhere near the level of violence we have today. we certainly had guns back then, but we didn't have the level of violence we have today. in some ways, society has become very desensitized to violence. back then as a police officer, parents took a much more key role in educating their kids about right and wrong. we seem to have lost at that up dissension between right and wrong. that's not to say that applies to this case because nobody would ever think it's right to do this horrific act. like mayor giuliani discussed, as the little things that lead to the big things and as a judge, i used to tell the parents coming in my courtroom, you can discipline your child now or somebody like me is going to be disciplining them much later and that discipline is going to be a lot harder to deal with because it is a rolling
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stone. once it starts moving, culture does change. we see culture are now very violent, very desensitized. it doesn't phase them anymore. >> tucker: guns aren't magic or tools. attitudes are what matter and they have changed. how have they changed? >> the society we live in is not the society i grew up in as a kid paired this generation is being raised by social media and smartphones and they're not spending enough time with the family dynamic. the kind of content we see on social media, whether it's the hatred from people's views and so forth, we see this anger and this hatred that's occurring getting into people's minds. let's take somebody who is mentally ill like the shooter, imagine him absorbing hours and hours a day of video content which is what i presume he did and imagine what that's doing to
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his mind. our actions as human beings are a reflection of what's spinning around upstairs in our minds. we've got to get ready to the basics of family. parents need to sit on with their kids every night, get back to the dinner table and have at the president said today, deep, meaningful interactions with one another. >> tucker: judge, why isn't there a national conversation about this? it seems like something that's important and it's an obvious problem and people feel like there's something deeply wrong with the culture amount but there isn't a conversation about it, why? >> i think it's a lot harder to get people to change the way they're living their lives than it is to say if we just ban this type of gun, this problem would go away. the reality is if somebody is a homicidal maniac, and i completely agree with the doctor, there's a sentiment out there that gets created especially in social media where there's so much hatred in today's day and age, it becomes
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a triggering effect. at some point, somebody snaps. if somebody snaps and they want to kill a lot of children because they think i'm going to become infamous, you don't need a gun to do that. i was sitting here talking to you and i can think of three ways right now that i could kill a lot of children if i was a homicidal maniac and none of them would involve guns. it's an easy answer. it's easy to say let's ban guns and we can solve the problem. the u.s. without ever finding guns, it's a lot harder to get people to change their behavior and the way they are raising their children and especially the way society has been moving away from religion which like it or not, did set moral parameters for people and teach right and wrong. the other answer is a lot easie easier. >> tucker: gentlemen, thank you both. the park when shooting appears
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to have happened despite some advanced warning. the fbi was tipped off in a way to a youtube commenter who is discussing his want to become a professional school shooter. >> how to be affair respond? to speak out they responded pretty amazingly. i had a field agent contact me and meet me in my office the very next morning and i wasn't able to provide them with much. >> you gave them the users name which is the same exact thing as the shooter. >> i wish i had more time and effort to finding out who the years and he belongs to. i don't know how many nikolas cruz as there are on youtube, but they may have been able to find out who this person was. >> tucker: as you heard, the fbi was not able to identify nikolas cruz. >> in 2017, the fbi received information about a comment made on the youtube channel. the comment simply said i'm
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going to be a professional school shooter. no other information was included with that comment which would indicate a time, location, or the true identity of the person who made the comment. the fbi conducted database reviews, checks, but was unable to further identify the person who actually made the comments. >> tucker: what happened here do you think? >> at first look, i think the fbi worked within its guidelines. the fbi is bound by a document about this thick. they take that bible very seriously and it's really a document that's meant to limit the power of the fbi, keep them from excess and that guides when the circumstances in which they can open a case, the techniques
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they can use in pursuing a case, very often when they must close a case. we heard that conversation with some terrorism cases that had been closed and then so many strikes. we saw it in boston and other places around the country. that document is intended to protect the organization. it's intended to protect uni from fbi excesses. >> tucker: how did it affect them from moving forward? >> there's a couple levels of cases that they can work. the lowest level of that is called an assessment. i have very little information to start, i do not have enough predication to start a preliminary inquiry and use all the fbi's tools. i have very little. the guidance of the dialogue also does this. the fbi is a federal agency.
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here on its face, you may have neither of those two things, you have some words that some would say that's freedom of speech. i'm not threatening somebody directly, i'm just throwing up some hate, supposition on the internet and stirring people up. >> tucker: that's a fair point. we've been pretty tough on the fbi recently on this show and a way that's warranted, but i also think in cases like this, are we investing too much confidence in all of our law enforcement that they could prevent people bent on mass murder from committing it question but that seems like a lot to ask. >> it is a lot to ask. law enforcement absolutely has to tried to connect up and i do think the fbi probably owes us a little bit more clarity on what steps they took. however, if i don't like something you say on this show and i'm sitting with the fbi and you've been critical of them recently, they don't get to start a case on tucker and start
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following him because one of those things with an authorized purpose is it can't be for protected first amendment right rights. >> can you tell us what the diag is? >> it's the handbook. this thick. everyone is tested on it, get lectures on it from internal legal teams. they adhere to that, it's audited. their conduct is audited, there's somebody looking over their shoulder to say you did this right or you're outside of the balance on this and the first amendment protected speech is one of those key areas that the diag talks about repeatedly. they may have an authorized purpose to start an assessment, but they can use very few tools.
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they can do database checks, other government agencies and that's about it. this is not the type of case where you're going to the u.s. attorney's office and say give me a stack of subpoenas. >> tucker: if somebody says i'm becoming a professional school shooter, who knows what it means? but if he says i'm screwing up this school on this date -- >> know you have a better starting point. if i'm listening to those words and i have this experience, one of my first questions is is this prosecutable? the answer is no. >> tucker: thank you for that. the left is using yesterday's tragedy as a pretext for disarming the population, no surprises there. up next, you'll meet someone who thinks that's a good idea. stay tuned. ♪
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>> tucker: it's now a well-established tradition, gun control for politicians. >> no right is absolute and common sense is consistent with the second amendment. it's absolutely acceptable under our laws. >> and states and communities that have looser and lacks her gun laws, there are more gun crimes committed. >> i've said over and over, i'd rather pass gun safety legislation then when the election. >> tucker: ethan is a
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california radio host enjoins us. thanks for coming on. the 1996 australian example -- there's a piece going around today about how that's a model for this country, the gun buyback which is mandatory. there's hundreds of millions of firearms in the united states. what would happen if liberal dreams came true and federal agents try to confiscate hundreds of millions of firearm firearms? speak out that's not a rights approach. i don't agree with the australian example, i used germany, finland, and switzerland. they have psychological backgrounds exams before your issue the license to have your firearm. switzerland has as many as we do, but they have zero school shootings. the question becomes what are we doing to make sure people who shouldn't have firearms don't
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have firearms and that is where we need to be addressing it. >> tucker: it's interesting, there are so many in this example is a great one. it's a very high percentage of gun ownership. you have very few mass shootings, and fact little crime. i'm wondering why there are no calls from the left to ask real questions about american culture and perhaps the family structur structure, may be something to do with the fact that a quarter of the population on psychotropic drugs. what is in a mention those? >> there's something to what you're saying, but let's talk about it from a bigger picture. if you're going down that route, there are significant changes that happened not just affecting the family, but also in terms of consumption of drugs that are prescribed by doctors.
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>> tucker: i don't know the answer to this, i'm not a social scientist, but i've seen how the country has changed. guns are tools and it can do with them a lot of different things print they don't shoot themselves. that's silly. fed semiautomatic weapons for both of our lifetimes and they haven't been misused like this. why this willful blindness to obvious causes instead of blaming the tool? that makes me suspicious, do you see why? >> i want to disagree with you on something. why give someone who does know how to hammer a nail and give them an automatic nail gun? does the same thing here. there are common sense things we can do to minimize the damage. >> tucker: it's not real. there is one crime that i'm aware of ever in the united states and the history.
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i don't have any emotional attachment to bump stock. they're stupid, they destroy your accuracy, but whatever. that's so far from the actual point which is what's going on to our society that would cause a 19-year-old boy to shoot his former classmates. why is no one asking that question? what is this anyway? question or talk about avoidance. >> that there are a couple -- this is a very competent a topic. one is we have to change our laws regarding mental health care which is something we've talked about before. mental health care is in crisis in this country. then republicans want to cut, the trump budget wants to cut i it. >> tucker: you can have the partisan debate, but i don't care about that. i'm a father of four, i don't want to be and be and santa lives this dumb stuff about the fact that you have a rifle makes me less safe.
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why are young men doing this? i don't know why. again, why don't we have the conversation? >> there's a two-part conversation and we agree on the mental health problem that we are having. until we resolve that, why make it easy for them to mow down 17 lives? >> tucker: the truth is -- if you are adjudicated mentally ill, you cannot buy a gun. no one has been adjudicated mentally ill that has been able to buy a gun. the system stance works. >> know it doesn't hurt the teachers knew there was a problem with this kid and our mental health laws are broken. teachers know who are the problem and were empowering the them. >> tucker: let's be very specific and a short amount of time. a teacher notices a kid is
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weird, probably menacing. does that mean he loses his right to buy a gun as an adult? speak out yes and we need to change the laws around that. >> tucker: that's already the law, you should know that. speak out we need to bridge the gap. in the meantime, i've called for governor brown to call the national guard and station to national guards in every single school until we are able to resolve this. >> tucker: that's putting a band-aid on a buddy wound. i hope we can talk more about this, thanks. jim comay told lawmakers the fbi did not think that mike flynn lied to them. flown by the way could be heading to prison adding pleading guilty to lying. what's at the heart of the
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that's the basic account. it is actually true? byron york of the "washington examiner" has been looking carefully and he reports in march of 2017, then fbi director jim comay told congress he did not believe flynn lied to investigators about his call. instead he said any false statements by flynn were accidental. instead he said flynn pleaded guilty for that exact thing. byron york is with us tonight. >> go back to january. the papers refill the talk of trump in russia and michael flynn and these conversations that he had and december during the transition with the russian russians. on january 24th on a basis that a lot of republicans are very skeptical about, the fbi goes into the white house and discusses with michael flynn what went on in these calls. there was a lot more news after
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that. with no lawyer present, that was flynn's decision. there was a lot of republican unhappiness because the substance of that conversation which had been the flynn kinsley at conversation which had been wiretapped because we wiretapped the russian ambassador had been leaked to the press but republicans were upset about that. they demanded that the fbi director james comey come to capitol hill and answer some questions. they were surprised when comey told them that the two fbi agents who had interviewed flynn didn't think he lied to them. if he said anything and accurate to them, it was not intentional. they took the impression, these lawmakers took the impression that i guess flynn will be charged in this case. fast-forward to december 1, he pleads guilty to doing just that come out lying on that particular meeting. >> tucker: that suggests that
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mueller had a different interpretation of it and somehow convinced to plead to something that comey didn't do in the first place. speak with a big change was that president trump fired james comey and as a result of that, robert mueller was appointed to special counsel. all. all of a sudden, michael flynn is back in it. it's not clear, did they have more on flynn, that they pressure him to do this? you have to remember, what flynn pled guilty to was something that all the parties knew on that date in january because this conversation had been wiretapped. there was a recording of it. a transcript of it. >> tucker: flynn was the former head of intelligence agency. >> he surely knew that he had been recorded. >> tucker: of course he would know that conversation was
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wiretapped, so why -- how could he lie? >> the fbi asking what did you say to the russian ambassador when they in fact knew exactly and he knew they knew. >> tucker: we don't know what the answer is, but clearly this is very odd. >> the case is not a billy a pair there have been some developments in the last few weeks, a new judge in the flynn case ordering the mueller office to produce evidence to flynn which is unusual in the sense that he has already pleaded guilty. >> tucker: thank you for staying on this. president trump's tax bill gave tax relief to much of the middle class. now the administration is considering offsetting that with a big hike to the gas tax named squarely at rural america. will discuss their president's baffling post proposal next.
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>> tucker: the administration just signed a significant tax cut for the middle class, but now there are calls to call a lot of it back. some of the administration are pushing for a major spent on infrastructure to refinance with a hike in the gas tax. the federal gas tax would fall heaviest on rural americans while leaving most of the wealthy urbanites untouched. i know that gas taxes something that everyone loves. it seems fair. you have to wonder if it is fair because really, the people who pay it or not the ones who benefited from our current economic structure. they're the people who benefited the least or suffered and live in rural america. >> is people who use the roads.
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the alternative is tolls. the government is only willing to put about $200 billion into this $1.5 trillion infrastructure program. the question is where's the rest of the money coming from? with the states have been doing is basically selling roads to the private sector and putting on whopping tolls. >> tucker: why do we have government? is it to run diversity seminars? it's to defend the borders to keep the visigothic said pay to pay for roads. wanted to become an extra add-o add-on? >> we on the same page. i would love to carve all the deadbeats out of the entitlements program and pay for it that way. one out of americans are adults on social security disability. i can't believe that 1 out of 20 adults between 16 and 65 can't work. the obama administration strategy for keeping unemployment down was to basically give everybody a disability pension.
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>> tucker: can we start at the beginning which is to pave the roads is not just a core function, it's the core function going back to rome of a government to another telling us, we either sell it to some private equity group is going to shaft you or we have to make rural america pay more. when we get these choices? >> back in the early days of the republic, the towns and villages couldn't put roads up, so they would have small syndicates of farmers and artisans who would pay for the roads because they wanted to get their products to the market and then they would charge tolls. a lot of the turnpikes we had our going bust. >> tucker: if you work backwards from first principles, here's what you get to. if he were to pass this 25-cent increase, that would instantly illuminate about 60% of the benefit that middle america got from his tax cut. >> it's ridiculous to go $0.25.
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the tax right now is 18.4. since it was last raised in 1993, we had about 67% inflation. about two-thirds. if you raised it by 12 sons, you'd be keeping up with inflation. there would be much more reasonable. a lot of the gas taxes wasted pit let's forget about all the deadbeats on welfare. for example, they take some of that money from mass transit in new york. whenever you do that, all they do is increase civil servant salaries. they use it for bike paths, things of that nature. >> tucker: i'm with you on all of that stuff, but for some reason, the chamber of commerce is pushing this gas tax stuff. who uses the roads? one of the biggest users is one of the biggest companies in the world whose owner is the richest man and human history. they pay nothing and gas tax. that's their business is using
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the roads, so why can't we just assess amazon for this instead of assessing everyone in nebraska? >> what you would find amazon is very capable of lobbying. my feeling is there's a lot of inequities in the tax structure. we heard about how mr. trump was getting rid of the carry an interest when he was running for president. unfortunately, they benefited a great deal from it. somehow it got left out of tax reform and those guys continued to pay very low rates on their income. there's a lot of equities in the system that we could pay for the roads by cleaning up entitlements, by getting some of the still privileged loopholes and of the tax system. unfortunately, that ain't on. i like a gas tax better than for example tolls and things of that nature. >> tucker: they did that with ticket collection here in d.c.
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and it's been a complete disaster. again, that shouldn't be our choice. three steps back, if this goes to the chamber of commerce and they get their way and rural america has to pay the bills for amazon, no federal taxes last year, people start to think i'm getting the wrong end of the stick? >> that's why it's difficult to pass it and that's why it hasn't gone up and over two decades because it is unfair that there are so many people in this country that are terribly wealthy that don't pay a lot of taxes. >> tucker: and all the msnbc hosts who ride their bikes and from brooklyn, they're not paying a single dime in this. speak out maybe we should have a bicycle tire tax. >> tucker: great to see you. thank you. it's not just politicians who are irresponsible, celebrities went completely over the top. mark steyn has been paying attention and he's joining us
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>> tucker: there he is. celebrities were quick to give their opinio opinion. chelsea handler tweeted this. we have to let candidates that are not funded by the nra. we have an opportunity to elect candidates who would allow kids to go to school and get shot. it is discussing how may times as this happened and replicants do nothing. you will have blood on your hands.
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a lot of other tweets in that same vein. mark steyn specializes in celebrity tweets and he's compiling a book on this subject, we hope. he joins us tonight. >> good to be with you. >> tucker: what do you make of the response to this? >> at a certain level, i understand these idiotic tweets because the defining act of these school shootings is the absence of meaning. in a sense, when you're doing it for all, that's easier to understand than these completely empty, purposeless events where a guy just killed a bunch of school kids for no reason at all. in that vacuum, where we search for meaning, people pour their
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lamest, dreary used tropes. to blame it on the nra is the default position and that's what they do. it's precisely because there was an absence of meaning of this event. that's because a guy killed 17 people for no reason whatsoever in they did nothing to him. the reasons for it are deeper, more complex and it behooves us in memory of the dead to actually talk and think seriously about it. >> tucker: that's a very deep observation about the hollowness and the court of these things. what do you think? i know you don't want to speculate no responsible person does, but you've watched years of this. what's your instincts about some of the causes of it? >> for example, i think you
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talked about social enterprise asian and that's true. the fact is, the condemnation affect is you can be socially entirely dysfunctional and actually have what seems like a rich and rewarding fantasy life through technology now. in the late 19th century if you were a miserable social loser, you are basically on your own kicking the can around the backyard pier there is nothing else to do. now like this guy, you can go on the internet, you can make threats, you can lead a rewarding life communicating with some guy is all over the world and in some sense, that fantasy life is more real for people than actually going to
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the soda fountain and having a chocolate malt with friends. that's very disturbing. the fact that the void is now rewarding and fulfilling, there is great peril and that because it suggests we are going to have more of these kinds of people in the years ahead. >> tucker: we've not paused long enough. thank you for that, really interesting. >> thanks a lot, tucker. >> tucker: president trump as a starting a shadow war with russia in syria. surely that proves he's not putin's puppet. it is not just what putin wants us to think? the story next. i go with anoro. ♪go your own way copd tries to say, "go this way." i say, "i'll go my own way" with anoro. ♪go your own way . .
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♪ ♪ >> tucker: we close tonight with what we think is an important update on russia's takeover of america, something we have been
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covering for a long time. the president might fool you with his tweets but is he remarkably sophisticated operator. to cover up his collusion with russia he has started a war with russia. pretty tricky. multiple russians protecting bashar killed. we. only hope that congressman adam schiff and others are not fooled just because we were literally fighting russia and killing its citizens, risking nuclear war in the process doesn't mean that russia didn't compromise our democracy. in fact, it's probably proof of that even if president trump invades russia, burns moscow, hangs putin from the kremlin walls, never forget is he merely putin's puppet. vigilance, friends, always vigilance. adam schiff can tell you that. that's it for us tonight. tune in every night at 8:00 for the show that's the sworn enemy of lying smugness and group think.
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don't forget to dvr it if that works. sean hannity is live from new york tonight. we leave new his capable hands. >> sean: great show as always. we have a lot of breaking news about the florida high school shooter, confessing to killing 17 people. and also breaking at this hour, new questions about how all of the warning signs surrounding the gunman, nikolas cruz were missed. what went wrong, and why did so many red flags go unnoticed? we have a comprehensive discussion tonight. also tonight in the face of unspeakable evil, silence, sigh violence, tragedy people rose up to protect other people. show you heroes that saved lives at majorry douglas high school in florida. while the media are all pointing fingers placing blame giving you the same talking points. how do we protect students at schools all across the country? answers. that is in tonight's br

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