tv Tucker Carlson Tonight FOX News February 15, 2018 9:00pm-10:00pm PST
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tonight, police say this young man has admitted to what happened at that school yesterday. the most-watched, most trusted, good night from washington, for fox news at night. >> tucker: this is a fox news alert, police are searching for clues to explain the mass shooting yesterday. expelled high school student nicholas cruz murdered 17 people including teachers t and studens before being captured off campu campus. welcome to tucker carlson tonight we want to give you a quick update on the latest heinvestigation. >> good to see you, an affidavit out o new tonight that the suspt told the police that he was the shooter basically confessing to this what everybody already kne
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knew. that death toll still stands, a lot of people here on the ground it might climb some more, they were seeing yesterday but for the fact that you had a remarkable number of people at the hospitalle behind me who worked through the night on people who were going through surgery in critical condition and basically said to the first time they talked to those doctors -- all hands on deck to deal with patient after patient we are also getting harrowing experiences from the students inside that high school, listen. >> we kept getting phone calls, are you ready to receive some patients -- are you ready to take this one, take that one. >>i i have the sound of the gunshots right in my head. >> he stopped us and he got us
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into her classroom, into the teacher's classroom, as a result of their heroic actions, they saved all of our lives about 40 of us. >> listen to that last student talking about a janitor, an unsung hero in all of this who realize that when the shooter pulled the fireul alarm, there were about 40 barricaded students y as you heard there wo rushed right toward the shooter. they didn't realize it at first, the janitor told them to turn around. theyey went into another room, they went to safety they believed 40 more could have been killed. 17 is far too many but i can tell you a glimmer of hope tonight despite all of the patient's last night who are in critical condition, there is only one and they are hopeful that it will soon be zero and that everyone won't bend getting out and get going home very soo soon.
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>> tucker: every decent person is horrified but what happened yesterday, every thoughtful person knows something horrible is going on in americanno socie. tragedies like this happen for a reason and it probably doesn't have aoe lot to do with guns. if the percentage of american households with firearms has dropped dramatically over the past 35 f years. meanwhile the number of mass shootings has risen. if you're over 40 you did not grow up in a country like this, the question is what happened? it could be a lot of things. far more americans than ever before take psychiatric medications, our art bursts a potential side effect? wewe don't know but it's possib. does the social atomization of modern society play a role on this? spending life online does cause alienation. we interviewed, he pointed out the most common answer to the question how many close friends do you have is not zero. a lack of meaningful relationships does cause despai
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despair. the nuclear family has collapsed, a generation of boys growing up without fathers pose a threat to this country? of course it does. fatherlessness is -- as a group of men are not thriving in this country right now. look at the numbers. men kill themselves more, graduate less and commit 100% of mass shootings. it's a disaster which for some reason our elites persist in ignoring. a month-long series every wednesday and what is happening to men. we hope it will bemo interestin. we are to saying any of these factors because the massacre we saw yesterday we don't knowow t that. we are saying we ought to do our honest best as a nation to figure out what exactly is going on here. but we aren't doing that.
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that vital conversation has been drowned out and made impossible by mindless screeching about guns control led by blustery charlatans inha the media whose only real agenda is moral preening. they are trying to solve the problem their aims are darker than that.an press a little bit, and you'll see it. what exactly does it mean, sensible gun reforms? banning bump stocks? a piece on vox.com calls for a landmark gun-control bill like the one australia past 22 years ago in 1996. it's the law that liberals are always telling you about. the australian law wasn't gun-control and it wasn't a voluntary buyback no matter what they tell you. it was gun confiscation, a wholesale mandatory disarmament of the entire civilian population. imagine what would happen if you tried that here in this country. america is not australia for a bunch of reasons including our history and our bill of rights.
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imagine federal officials marchingls from house to house using hundreds of millions of firearms from law-abiding citizens and then finding and imprisoning those who resist. vox approvingly calls this leadership. it's a recipe for bloodshed and civil war, it's nuts. if it is a common fantasy on the left. dan pfeiffer was a senior advisor to barack obama now he's a contributor at cnn. last fall he wrote an article attacking his fellow democrats for what he bluntly called fake moderation on guns. his advice was this, stop pretending to respect the constitution and instead focus on appointing judges who will nullify it. the goal? gun seizures, ammunition regulation, the disarmament of american population, a country where only the people in charge have guns and everybody else obeys. in the wake of yesterday's shooting, his pieces going viral on the left. what he wrotete is what they believe.he let's stop lying about the spirit of the calls you are hearing today for gun control have nothing to do with
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protecting americans fromns violence. what you are witnessing is a kind of class war. the left hates rural america, gun owning america, the america that elected donald trump, they hate them. progressives are still in charge of most of the major institutions in this country and they despise the autonomy of an armed population. they want collective punishment for the sins of a few, they seek to obliterate a core constitutional right rather than try to mitigate its downsides. they call it gun-control butut it's not, it's people control. voters who can't be controlled cannot be trusted. why haven't we seen such a massive increase, psychotherapist and school counselor, and a former miami-dade county judge, they both join us tonight. judge, to you first. we are going to find out a lot more in this specific case but more broadly we have seen an absolute terms a pretty big spike in shootings like this. why do you think that is?
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>> it would be very difficult to jump into the mind of these shooters and come up with a very simple explanation for why they are behaving that way. clearlyng society has changed ad its relationship with violence. i remember when i was growing up there is nowhere near the level of violence weav have today. we certainly had the guns back then but we didn't have the level of violence. society has become desensitized to violence and isi did see a police officer --er and parents taking a much more key role in educating their kids about right anddu wrong. we seem to have lost that line of distinction. not to say that clearly applies to this case because no one would think it's right to this horrific act. it's the l little things that ld to the big things but i used to tell the parents and my court room, you can either discipline your child and our somebody like me is going to be disciplining them much later. that discipline i is going to be much harder to deal with because it is a rolling stone.es
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culture does change, we see culture being very violent, very desensitized to it. >> tucker: guns aren't magic, they are tools, they don't operate themselves. if attitudes are whator matter, how if they changed? >> the society we live in art is not the society i lived in. this generation is being raised by social media a and smartphons and they aren't spending enough time part of the family dynamic. the kind of content, we see it. the hatred from people's views and so forth -- we see this anger and this hatred that's occurring that's getting into people's minds. it takes somebody who is mentally ill likeme the shooteri imagine him absorbing hours and hours a day of video content which is what i would presume he did and i think we're going to see that.
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imagine what that is doing to his mind. our actions as human beings are a reflection of what is spinning around upstairs in our minds. we've got to get back to basics. parents need to sit down with their kids every night, get back to the dinner table and have with the president said today, deep, meaningful interactions with one another.r: >> tucker: wise in their a national conversation aboutt this? it seems like something that is important, it's an obvious problem and people feel like there is something deeply wrong with theth culture.ve there isn't a conversation about it, why? >> i don't think it's something you can control. it's a lotot harder to get peope to change the way they are living their lives. if you just bend this type of gun the problem would go away. if somebody is a homicidal maniac, i completely agree, the sentiment out there gets created especially on social media where there is so muchch hatred.
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it becomes a triggering effect. at some point somebody snaps. if somebody snaps and they want to kill a lot of children because they think i'm going to become infamous, you don't need a gun to do that. i can think of 3 ways right now that i could kill a lot of children if i was a homicidal maniac and none of them would involve guns. it's an easy answer. it's easy to say let's ban guns and resolve the problem. i don't think the u.s. will ever haven't been founded with the wild west would ever get rid of all their guns. it's a lot harder to get people to change their behavior in the way they are raising their children and especially the way society is moving away from religion, like it or not it did set of moral parameters for people and teach right or a wro. >> tucker: thank you both. parkland shooting appears
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despite some advance warning, turns out five months ago the fbi was tipped off in a way a youtube commenter was discussing his attempt to be a professional school shooter. >> and how did the fbi respond? >> they responded immediately. i had a feel agent contact me the very next morning, unfortunately i wasn't able to provide them with much. >> you gave them the users name. >> more time and effort to find out what the username belongs to if that's even possible, i don't know how many nicholas cruises there are on youtube but they would've been able to find out who this person was. >> tucker: the fbi was not able to identify him. >> in 2017, the fbi received information about a comment made on a youtube channel.
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it simply said i'm going to be a professional school shooter. no other information was included with that comment which would have indicated time, location, or the true identity of the person who made thef comment. the fbi conducted database reviews, checks, but was unable to further identify the person who made the comment. >> tucker: former fbi assistant director in washington, what happened here do you think? >> at first blush, i think the fbi worked with in its guidelines. the fbi is bound by this document, they take that bible very seriously. it's a document that's meant to limit the power of the fbi, keep them from excess. that guides when the canumstances in which they open a case, the techniques they
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can use in pursuing a case, and very often when they must close a case. we have heard that conversation with terrorism cases that have been closed and somebody strikes. we saw it in boston and other places around the country. that document is intended toan protect the organization. and it protect you and i. >> a couple levels of cases in which they can work. the lowest level of that is called an assessment. i have very little information to start. i do not have enough predication to start a preliminary inquiry or full investigation. i have a very little. the guidance also does this. the fbi is a federal investigative agency. its focus is on the federal law. it's pointing them towards
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federal crimes and national security threats. here on its face, you may have neither of those two things. you have some words that some would say that's freedom of speech. i'm not threatening somebody directlye,, stirring people up. >> tucker: that's a totally fair point. we have been tough on the fbi recently on thisis show in a way that i think is warranted. in cases like this, are we investing too much confidence in all of our law enforcement that they can prevent people bent on mass murder from committing it? it seems like a lot to ask. >> i think law enforcement test to try to connect up. i think the fbi owes us more clarity on what steps they took. if i don't like something you say on thisth show and i'm sittg at the fbi and you've been critical of them recently, they don't get to start a case on tucker and to start following
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him because one of those things is it can't be for protected first amendment rights. >> tucker: you referenced diag diag. >> it is the fbi's investigative and operational guide. it's the handbook, everyone is tested on it. internal legal teams, it's audited. their conduct is audited, somebody looking over their shoulder to say that you did this right in or outside of the point on this. first amendment protected speech is one of those key areas that the diog talks about repeatedly. they may have had an authorized purpose to start an assessment but they can use very few tools. what rob lasky referred to is open source. they can do database checks,
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other government agency checks are open source. and that is about it. this is not the type of case where you're going to go to the u.s. attorney's office and say give me a stack of subpoenas. >> tucker: somebody says i may become a professional school shooter, i'm going to shoot up this school on the state, presumably the fbi. >> now you have a better starting point. if i am listening to those words and i have had this experience, one of the first question is is this prosecutable? the answer is no. >> tucker: make you for that. the left is using yesterday's tragedyre is a pretest for disarming the population, will meet someone whot thinks that'sa good idea, stay tuned. ♪
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♪ >> tucker: as is now well-established tradition, a mass shooting quickly provokes calls for aggressive new gun control from democratic politicians. >> i believe in the constitution but no right is absolute. common sense measures consistent with the second amendment are absolutely acceptable under our laws. >> in states and communities that have looser and laxer gun laws, there are more crimes committed. >> i would rather pass gun safety legislation then with the election. >> tucker: california radio shows, he joins us. thanks a lot for coming on.
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the 1996 australian example is something that liberals often mention. the assistant to president obama and now a cnn talker wrote a piece a couple months ago, that's a model for this country. the gun buyback which was mandatory. hundreds of millions of firearms in the united states, what do you think would happen if liberal dreams came true and federal agents tried to confiscate hundreds of millions of privately owned weapons in this country. >> that's not the right approach. i don't agree with the australian example, i use germany, finland and switzerland as the example and even israel. they have psychological background exams before you were issued a license to have a firearm. switzerland has half as many firearms but they have zero school shootings and the even have semiautomatic rifles. the question becomes what are we doing to make sure people who shouldn't have firearms don't
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have firearms and that is what we need to address. >> tucker: it's interesting, the swiss example is a great one. a very highne percentage of gun ownership there, the government encourages people to have weapons at home, it's in effect a militia. very few mass shootings and very little crime. i'm wondering why there are no calls to the left to ask real questions about american culture and does the collapse of the family p structure, may be to do with this or the fact that a quarter ofha the population is n psychotropic drugs. obvious things. why does no liberal ever mention those it's always about taking my firearms away. >> there is something to what you're saying but let's talk about it from a bigger picture. there are significant changes that happen in the 60s, 70s, and 80s not just affecting the family but also in terms of consumption of drugs that are prescribed by doctors. >> tucker: that's exactly what i'm talking about.
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i don't know the answer to this, i'm not a social scientist. i have lived here almost 50 years and i've seen how the country has changed, guns are tools you can do with them a lot of different things, they don't shoot themselves. we have at it semiautomatic weapons for both of our lifetimes and they haven't been misused like this. why is there this willful blindness instead of blaming the tool. that makes me suspicious, can you see why? >> i want to disagree with you on something, why would you give someone who doesn't know how to hammer a nail it give them an automatic nail gun. that's the same idea here with hundred round magazines, bump stocks are absolutely meaningless and useless things to circumvent automatic weapons laws. there are common sense things we can do to minimize the damage. >> tucker: it's not real, there is one crime ever that i'm aware of that was committed with
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a bump stocks, i don't have an emotional attachment to bump stocks, they are stupid.th in our society that would cause a 19-year-old boy to shoot his former classmates, why doesn't anyone ask this question? all these cable news demagogues but no one asks the real question, talk about avoidance. >> this is a complicated topic. we have to change our laws regarding mental health care and getting people that you and i talked about before and relates to homelessness. mental health care is a crisis in this country. republicans want to cut over -- >> tucker: the democrats closed the mental hospitals, you can have the partisan debate. i am a father of four, i care about the country. i don't want to be in vandalized by this dumb, the fact that you have a deer rifle makes me less safe, that's a lie and everyone
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knows it. why are young men doing this, i don't knows? why. why do we not have that conversation. >> there is a two-part conversation. you and i agree on the mental health problem that we are having. until we resolve that, until we resolve that why make it easy for them to mow down 17 lives in a moment. >> tucker: i know a lot about this. >> i have fired ar-15s before. >> tucker: if you are mentally ill you cannot buy a gun. the system as it stands works. >> the teachers knew there was a problem with this kid. if teachers know who are the problem.
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>> >> tucker: the teacher notics the kid is weird, possibly menacing. does he lose his right to buy a gun as an adult? >> yes. >> tucker: if a teacher thinks you're weird he can take it away a constitutional right? >> once the psychologist and psychiatrist has seen you. >> tucker: that's already the law, you should know that. >> we need to bridge the gap. i have called for governor brown in california to call up the national guard until we are able to resolve this. >> tucker: that's just putting a band-aid ons it. i hope we can talk more about this. former fbi director jim comay told lawmakers the fbi did not think mike flynn lied to them. he could be heading to prison having pleaded guilty to lying. what is going on and what is at
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>> tucker: from the beginning former national security advisor mike flynn has been at the center of the russian collusion conspiracy theory. he talked to russian ambassador sergey kislyak in the lied about what they talked about apparently proving the existence of a vast russian takeover of the government.
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byron york of the "washington examiner" has been looking carefully and he reports in march of 2017, then fbi director jim comay told congress he did not believe flynn lied to investigators. instead he said any false statements were accidental but he pleaded guilty to a felony for lying about that exact thing, whatt happened? this is really confusing. >> it is confusing. go back to january of last year, the papers were filled with talk about trump and russia. and michael flynn, during the transition with the russians. on january 24th on the basis that the a lot of republicans are veryca skeptical about the i goes into the white house and discusses with michael flynn what went on in these talks. there was a lot more news after
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that. >> tucker: with no lawyer present. >> that was flynn's decision. there was a lot of republican unhappiness because the substance of that conversation had been leaked to the press.s republicans were upset about that.. they demanded that the fbi director james comey come up to capitol hill and answer somehi questions. they were surprised when comay told them that the two fbi agents who had interviewed flynn didn't think he lied todn them. if he said anything inaccurate to them, it was not intentional. if these took the impression that flynn is not going to be charged. fast-forward to december 1st, he pleads guilty to doing just that, lying in that particular meeting. >> tucker: it doesn't make any sense at all. that suggests that robert
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mueller had aha different interpretation of it and somehow convinced. if you have any idea what the exclamations explanations are? >> robert mueller was appointed special counsel, all of a sudden michael flynn is back in a it. it's not clear to they have more on flynn, did they pressure him to do this? you have to remember, what he pled guilty to was something that all of the parties new on that day in january because this conversation had beenn wiretapp wiretapped. a transcript ofec it. >> tucker: that doesn't make sense either because he was the former head of an intelligence agency. >> tucker: that's what he did for a living, that conversation
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was wiretapped. >> they in fact knew exactly. he knew that they knew. >> tucker: we don't know what the answer is here but clearly this is very odd. >> the case is not completely over, there have been a few developments in the last few weeks of a new judge in the flynn case ordering the molar office to produce evidence which is an unusual situation in the sense that he has already pleaded guilty. thank you for staying on. president trump's tax bill case badly needed tax relief too much of the middle class, not the administration is considering offsetting that with a big hike to the gas tax aimed squarely at rural america -- we will discuss one of the presidents more baffling policy proposals next.
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♪ >> tucker: a trump administration just signed a significant tax cut for a lot of the middle class but now there are calls to claw a lot of it back. some in the administration are pushing for a major spend on infrastructure to be financed with a hike in the gas tax that would fault heaviest on rural americans while leaving most of the wealthy urbanites who voted for hillary untouched.. pete and marie is an economist, i know the gasas tax is somethig that academics love commits tidy, it's a user fee, it seems fair. i wonder if it is fair becauseus the people who pay it are not the ones who benefit from our current economic structure, they are the people who have benefited the least. >> it's people who use the
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roads. the alternative iseo polls. the federal government is only willing to put about $200 billion into this $1.5 trillion infrastructure programs of the question is where's the rest of the money going to come from? what the states have been doing is selling roads to the private sector and put on whopping tolls. >> tucker: why do we have government, is it to run diversity seminars and retirement for federal employees? it's to defend the borders, to keep the t visigoths at bay into pay for roads. that's a core function of governments, when did that become an extra add-on -- do you know what i mean? >> i would love to carve all the deadbeats out of the entitlement programs and pay for it that way. 1 out of 20 americans are adults on social security or disability -- i can't believe that 1 out of 20 adults between 16 and 65 can't work. but the obama administration strategy was to give everybody a disability pension.
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i'm saying that's where we get the money from. >> tucker: can we start at the beginning, paving the roads is not a core function but the core function of going back to rome of the government. now they're telling us they're going to sell it to a private equity group who is going to shaft you or make rural america pay more. >> it's as old as the country, towns and villages couldn't put the road up they would have a small syndicates of farmers and artisans who would pay for the roads because they wanted to get products to market, we had the turnpike. they all went bust. >> tucker: if you work back from first principles is what you get to. if we were to pass this 25-cent that would eliminate aboutdl 60% of the benefit that middle america got from his tax cut. >> it's ridiculous to go to
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$0.25, the gas tax was 18.4. scented was last raised in 1993 we have had 167% inflation.s, if we raise it by $0.12 it would be keeping it up with inflation. a lot of gas tax is wasted, let's forget about all the deadbeats on welfare. they take some of that money from mass transit in new york or washington -- whenever you do that all they do a is increase s increased civil service salarie salaries. >> tucker: i'm with the one all of that stuff but for some reason the chamber ofmb congress pushing that gas tax stuff. one of the biggest companies in the world whose owner's jeff bezos, do you know what they paid in federal tax? nothingng. according to reports, the institute on taxation and economic policy, amazon paid nothing. that's their business is using
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the roads. why can't we't assess amazon for this instead of assessing everyone in a rural maine and nebraska. >> i think you would find amazon is very capable of lobbying. my feeling is there's a lot of inequities in a tax structure, the carriedd interest. we all heard about how mr. trump was going to get rid of carried interest. unfortunately they benefit a great deal from it. it got left out of tax reform. those guys continue to pay very little rates on their income. there are a lot of inequities c for the system, we can pay for the words by cleaning up entitlements, unfortunately that isn't on. they talk about a gas tax. i like a gas tax better than for example tolls and things of that nature. >> tucker: selling public property to private companies, they did it with ticket
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collection it's been a disaster. that shouldn't be our choice. if this goes through end of the of commerce gets its way and rural america has to pay the bills for amazon, no federal taxes last year, do people think i'm getting the wrong end of the stick? >> i think that's one reason it's so difficult and why it hasn't gone up and over two decades, it is unfair that there are so many people in this country that are terribly wealthy that don't pay a whole lot of taxes. >> tucker: all the msnbc hosts who ride their bicycles in from brooklyn, they are going to pay a single dime. >> maybe we could have a bicycle tire tax. >> tucker: if you are writing a fixed gear in from brooklyn you will have to pay double. it's not just politicians who are irresponsible about yesterday's shooting, celebrities went over top. mark stein has been paying attention, he joins is next.
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♪ >> tucker: a very celebrities were quick to give their opinions on gun policy in the wake of parkland shooting. chelsea handler tweeted this, we have to elect candidates who are not funded by the nra, we have an opportunity to elect candidates who won't allow kids to go to school and get shot, it's disgusting how many times thisyo happened and republicanso nothing, you all have blood on your hands. kim kardashian tweeted this that was written by a publicist,
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there were af lot of tweets in the same vein. mark stein specializes in celebrity tweets, he joins us tonight. >> good to be with you. >> tucker: what do you make the responseak to this? >> at a certain level,the understand these idiotic tweets. the defining act of these school shootings is the absence of meaning. comparative with that nicest guy in new york who mowed down a bunch of people, he wants to usher in a new caliphate worldwide, that's easier to understand the needs completely empty, purposeless events then when a guy kills a bunch off school kids for no reason at al all. w in that vacuum where we search
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for meaning, people pull their lamest greediest tropes. to blame it on the nra is the default position of most democrats and that's what they do. it's precisely because there is an absence of meaning at this's event, a guy kills 17 people for no reason, they did nothing to him that suggests to what you said at the top of the show. the reasons for it are deeper, more complex, it behooves us in memory of the dead to actually talk and think seriously about it. >> very deep observation about the hollowness of the court of theseio things. i know you don't want to speculate my no responsible person does. you have watched years of this. what is your instinct about some of the causes of this?
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>> you talked about social atomization at the top of the show. that's true. the fact is, the combination of factors means you canat be socially entirely dysfunctional and actually have what seems like a rich and rewarding fantasy life through technology. in the late 19th century, if you were a miserable social loser, you were on your own kicking your can around the backyard.ki if there was nothing else to do. now you can go on the internet, you can make threats and attract the attention of the fbi. you can lead a rewarding life, communicating with some guy in it was pakistan or new guinea all over the world. in some sense, that fantasy life is more real for people than
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actually having a chocolate malt with friends. that's very disturbing, the fact that the void is a fulfilling, there is great peril and that which suggests that there will be more of these kind of people in the years ahead. >> tucker:ve we have not paused long enough to consider what they are, incorporated you for that. president trump is starting a shadow war with russia and syri syria, it shows he's not putin's puppet, or sets just what putin wants us to think? that story next. (gasping) son? dad! we also know you can avoid drama by getting an annual check-up. so we're partnering with cigna to remind you to go see a real doctor.
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covering for a long time. the president might fool you with his tweets but is he remarkably sophisticated operator. to cover up his collusion with russia he has started a the president started with a war with russia, that's tricky. we've been bombing russian equipment and russian supplies for even longer. we can only hope congressman adam and others aren't fooled. just because we were literally fighting russia and killing its citizens risking nuclear war in the process doesn't mean russia didn't compromise our democracy. in fact, it's probably proof of that. even if president trump invades russia, burns moscow, hangs putin from the kremlin walls, never forget he's merely putin's puppet. individuallance, -- vigilance, friends. always vigilance. adam schiff could tell you that. don't forget to dvr if you know
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how that works. good night from washington. sean hannity is live from new york tonight. we leave new his capable hands. hey, sean. >> hannity: hey, tucker. thank you. great job as always. we have news about the florida high school shooter confessing to killing people. how all the warning signs surrounding the gunman, nikolas cruz weret missed, what went wrong and why did so many red flags go unnoticed? we'llpr have a comprehensive discussion tonight. in the face of unspeakable evil, violence, tragedy, people rose up to protect other people. we'll show you the heroes that saved lives at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. while politicians, the media are all pointing fingers placing blame, giving you the same predictable talking points tonight, we'll offer solutions. how do we protect students at schools all across the country?
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