own kids to deal with this yourself in your own community. some thoughts, ahead.

>> neil: so much sad news this week, i would be remiss if i didn't point out these two developments. you're looking at shy cay gay oe left and atlanta on the right. two police officers were ambushed this week. paul ballard on the left side of the screen, a funeral for him, shchicago police urged a sea of blue to show support for the law enforcement community. in georgia, chase maddox was killed, ambushed last week by a gunman. we're watching this. at the same time, we're reminded that violence is alive and well in this country and nowhere did we see that more pointedly and more tragically than in florida.

darby fox is back with me. a lot of people are coming to grips with this. a lot of parents in florida have said my kid is not going back to that school. they're talking about tearing it down and rebuilding. how do you counsel people that don't want to subject their kids to that? >> it's a scary thing to think about sending your kids back into that. first of all, we want to break it apart by age group. with high school kids, we do need to talk to them about it and one of the hardest parts is we really want to have them go through the emotions of what it's like to lose someone and think about what possibly could we have done differently or do you notice, it's a great time to notice the impact that maybe some bullying or those kind of things may have had on this kid so that the shooter, cruz, would have become like this. so those are the times we have to keep going, so we have to -- the best we can do is really

talk them through how to maybe avoid it in the future, but to be more aware and sensitive of what this is like. >> neil: everyone talks about this being the new normal. i guess when you and i were discussing this after the shooting, but as a dad, when i hear kids talking about what happened in that school, they witnessed it, this kind of stuff worries me. i want you to listen to this and we'll talk about it. >> the shooter shot through the door, shot a couple people next to me. i was sitting behind a cabinet and the bullet passed my ear. it got a girl next to me. >> in the hallway i saw a big pile of blood, smeared as if they were dragged away. i saw two girls probably dead in the hallway. >> all i heard was the gunshots. the police cleared us for us to go outside. i saw dead bodies on the floor. >> there was a lot of blood everywhere and there was bodies just everywhere. it was gross. >> i had to step over a dead body to get in my classroom. there was a dead body laying

like a fish. >> neil: just amazing. darby, i'm thinking they were very matter of fact, describing what they saw. they are not ever, ever, ever, going to forget that. for them, it's like the norm. what do you think? >> they're not ever going to forget it. part of the matter of factness comes from the fact they've never experienced it before. we learn through experience. the best is always doing it ourselves. if you can remember, you always have to do it on your own, even though someone told you to do something differently. that's very common, especially with adolescents. they haven't seen it before and they really don't know what to think, like you can't predict a dead body or the piles of blood. and it's going to take a little bit of time to settle in with these kids. but they're going to suffer some trauma from this. >> neil: that's what i'm saying. i'm sorry if i wasn't clear. i was amazed and it says something about the age in which we live, how calmly, surgically they went through and explained

what they saw, what they experienced. i know that says something about the age we live in and i want to let you get to your point, but that's sad commentary in itself. >> it is a sad commentary. i think part of the calmness is they have seen and been exposed to way more than most people would have, especially even a few years ago. that's through technology and social media. that's the piece where we're removed one step. if you've seen it, you som thini get it, that's a dead body, i've seen that before. until you feel it, it's your neighbor or your best friend, it won't have the emotional impact. that's what we struggle with is the he detachmenthe detachment . it's something that's been created more recently. >> neil: darby, thank you very much. darby fox, very sad, that's all i can say.

to darby's point, you talk about these things and you hold your kids' hand a little more tightly than you would normally, even if it's teenage sons, they back away. all right. we have a lot more coming up. the president in a role that presidents have had t play a little too often, that of consoler in chief. how's he doing, after this. ast , but tonight i bounce back. ♪ what's an l? the rap singer took a loss and now he's ok again. right. yeah you can get a mortgage that avoids pmi, but there's no way to avoid mip on... . hey! this'll help. rocket mortgage by quicken loans makes the complex simple. so, origination fees... this takes care of it, thank you. understand the details and get approved in as few as 8 minutes. by america's largest mortgage lender. bounce back, right right right, i get it now. ♪ i woke up in beast mode, with my girl that's... ♪

>> neil: i made some closing comments on yesterday's show regarding how tough it is for presidents to have to deal with what is an all too routine experience in the last few decades, dealing with tragedy. we're going to be exploring that with karl rove in just a few minutes. ahead of that, there's this tragedy and everything associated with it for parents it's particularly proble problea including a lot of the kids who lost their lives, their parents, many of whom were saving and planning for their kids' future.

the other thing i discussed were the markets that were coming back against the backdrop of children who are never coming back. so markets that were the bed rock of investments for the kids and what looked like their very bright futures, and now this. kind of puts it in perspective. let's get fox business networks, gary b. smith and also to step back from the day-to-day, money part of all this, bob murray, the pastor at holy family church in new york. father, to you first. a lot of people look at this and say i've been focused on saving for my kid's future, saving, saving, saving, something like this comes, maybe i've got it backwards. what do you tell people? >> well, moral formation, spiritual guidance, a sense of right and wrong, the 10 commandments aren't suggestions, the way you live your life is you love your neighbor, you don't hate. one of the things society has been tolerating too much is the

sense of cultivating hatred is a way to deal with people and apparently this young man was the object of some hatred in his school, which is wrong, but we have to teach people it's never right to express your anger through violence and murder and this is what's happened here. the right and wrong of human action really depends on our decision making to embrace what's good and i think we have to tell kids, look, don't go along with sentimental things where people say whatever you feel, that's how you feel, express it. no. your feelings have to be an expression of the love you have for your fellow man. that's what i think a message that needs to be heard. >> neil: and from continue vester side, i'm -- from continue vester side, i'm not telling people to stop saving for their kids' future. i'm trying to keep it in perspective. >> i was speaking with father in the green room. to your point, this is the person i want to hear from. it's so jarring. you have children. i have children .

i know gary's a parent too. of course you keep saving. an experience like this is so shocking. i wonder how the parents are even putting one foot in front of the other. >> neil: i can't imagine. >> never mind thinkerring aboutt what to do with the money they have saved. >> neil: it's easier to be said than done, you have to look at everything, provide a safe haven for your child and to hear your child and the worries he or she might have, especially the teenage years. a lot of us get caught up in the day-to-day. as a parent in your own right, and a very good one, and an investor, and a very good one, how do you balance those worlds? >> it's difficult, neil. when i was thinking about this segment, i don't know if it was more difficult when my parents -- when my children were teenagers or when i was a parent during those teenage years. you need to be part father and father in a religious sense,

part psychiatrist, part counselor, part friend, part prison war denden to be very hot with you. you don't get it right, unfortunately, a lot of times. i guess the best thing maybe that i did was try to almost look at my kids impartially sometimes and see if i could pick up things that they were going through where they might need outside help. because kids generally, at least teenagers, they don't want to hang around with parents a whole lot. >> neil: unless you're going on a trip, probably. >> we try to do a lot of special events which i think were good. but most of the time they can't or they don't know how to handle the problems that they face, like bullying, like depression, like being an outcast, like being very popular. and you just -- i think you need to sometimes step back and say how would i handle this

objectively to help my child and try to arrange the right assistance if you can. >> i think too, at least one of the challenges that i face as a parent is that social media did not exist when i was growing up and gary, to your point, my parents were -- knew where i was at all times and if something was wrong, they could sense it in my demeanor because i wasn't going and venting on social media or there wasn't this kind of other outlet. if you were acting out, people in your community saw it. it wasn't like you could hide in a phone and send messages that nobody else could see. >> neil: now you can. to that point, the latest revelation that nikolas cruz was acting out and worrying some people who caught his musings on snapchat where he was harming himself, talking about buying a gun, other warnings that i want to be a school shooter, other warnings that were relayed to the fbi, proclivity for other

violent behavior. what do you tell kids who don't want to compromise their relationship with their friends by sharing this with people? >> that's interesting, because the archbishop of miami said on the radio the other day, a big problem in our society is individualism where people say that's his problem, not mine, i don't like it but i'm not going to do anything about it. we have to be more interventionist in the lives of our friends and our classmates and people we know and by that i mean a loving response when there's abnormality. you may not be able to be the friend of that person but you can get people to that person to help with that. >> neil: you can also make them a scarlet letter, right? you could also make them more ostracized. >> the thing is this. a people who is having difficulties should not be left to stew by themselves because everyone is afraid, i can't get involved in someone else's life. take that risk, which is a loving act, to say to the l schl

this guy needs mental health, he also needs perhaps a bit of guidance in the ordinary things of life. i feel sorry for the parents who died of this kid because that's another tragedy. but this boy needed guidance and especially needed moral guidance. where do we get that in schools these days? that's a big question. parents are the first ones but in their absence, other people have to take their role. >> neil: that kind of follows up on what you were just saying. >> exactly. i agree with the father on the intervention. there was more than a few times. trust me, i thought maybe sending my daughters off to military school would be the best solution, just to take them out of the environment and maybe that would have been a little draconian. but sometimes you have to be stricter parents than maybe you would like to be. harkening back to i'm sure neil maybe your parents or your grandparents were problem by a

lot stricter than -- probably a lot stricter than you and i were. maybe sometimes as a parent in this day and age you do a little too far, being a friend and a buddy. >> i'm actually with you. i think kids in theory only have one set of parents, right, and past of your role, maybe you're not going to be popular for a decade or a decade plus, but kids have lots of opportunities to have friends and coaches and other positive interactions. they only have one set of parents. >> neil: i think we have to be a moral landscape. >> we're on this planet to help each other. that's something that i find really lacking in american society. as they say in new york, everyone walks with their eye toss the ground because they don't want to see their neighbor. we have to take an active interest in everyone that god puts in our path. in the case of people with problems, don't pretend there aren't problems but do something. don't complain about it, do something. i know that people did intervene in this case and that's another tragedy that is going to be played out. but as regards the families who are suffering, now's the time to

pray for them, to offer them sympathy and offer them the hope that indeed there is another world. i believe most of these people are religious people. i know there's been religious funerals. there is another life and that really is the only consolation we can offer now and god does help us bear our wounds. >> neil: we can only hope. father, thank you. we'll have more. ( ♪ ) only tena intimates has pro-skin technology designed to quickly wick away moisture to help maintain your skin's natural balance. for a free sample call 1-877-get-tena. for a free sample ancestrydnand now,y $69. with more than 150 ethnic regions to connect to... ...it's the perfect time to find out where your greatness comes from. save 30% at ancestrydna.com.

>> neil: sadly, we want to keep you aware of these funerals going on. you're looking at shots right now on the t left of your screen of chicago, for officer paul bow wearbowers and in georgia for ce maddox. both were gunned down on the job last week and of course it

occurs the same week we had this horrific school shooting in florida. reminders to certainty the fragileity of life and how anything like this can pop up at any moment. thomas hutchins is with us. if you'll indulge me, on this violence and the issue that it's more common here, you've heard all the groups that say it's definitely more common in the united states than it is elsewhere. obviously a lots of them are saying it's because of guns, others are saying it's our culture. what do you think? >> it has a lot to do with culture, neil. i think we all know that the lack of family involvement and structure istructure has been ar in a lot of what's gone on. we've seen the emergence of gangs and why kids join gangs, they find that's the only place to really get recognition for some of their achievements because they're not getting it at home and people aren't

frankly investing in understanding what's important to them so they seek out these alternative places that unfortunately, to get credit for something you have to do something that is contrary to what is in our interest of safety and building our culture. >> neil: a lot of people will talk whether it's the two officers who were gunned down, you know, trying to help people or these kids who are murdered at school just trying to go about their day, some argue it's too much guns out there. others like the president is saying it's a mental health issue. how do you see it? >> there's serious mental health problems in our country. again, it goes back, some of it, to the root issues i just spoke of with regard to family and lack of structure. i do think that it's always good to take a look at how we're screening people for weapons. we do have the second amendment rights and we do have a right to bear arms. there's a balance there.

and i think that we have to look at -- i saw something recently, i think on facebook or something, where they said when someone's involved in dui they're considered a drunk driver. when somebody bombs something, they're a bomber. when someone shoots someone, it's suddenly the gun. we have to look at the realities of what's going on. people need to drill down and spend time focusing on the core issues and not on the symptoms around it. >> neil: you just said that much more powerful ethan ily than h much more import. i know we were going to talk immigration, we still will in the future. i felt compelled to address these issues. sheriff, thank you for taking the time. >> thanks for having me. >> neil: cacarlkarl rove knows t the president he worked for and others who had to deal with tragedies and how they dealt with tragedies. how this one's doing, after

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neil: >> all right the president last night are visiting those injured in the attack this week in florida that left 17 dead. i believe of the 20 who were injured, about half have been released from the hospital and some likely to be there for quite a while more. today, we're not quite aware of what the president's plans are, but he's still in the west palm beach area. that's where we'll find our kevin cork. >> always good to be with you, my friend. and a good saturday it is in south florida. the president playing the role of comforter in chief, neil, as he continues to reach out to not only the victims, but the first responders in doing a magnificent job to help the lives in the tragedy i