♪ [music] >> hello and welcome to justice live from nations capital. i am jeanine pirro. you for being with us and thank you for making justice number one again last saturday. doctor ben carson, and more on deck +1 of the presidents top spokespeople standing by live. but first, my opening statement. the fbi needs a complete overhaul cleansing. any company or organization that runs afoul of its mission or is tainted by corruption in politics, the ceo and the board of directors will go. likewise, the utter failure of

the fbi in september and january. regarding shooter nikolaus cruz, a so monumental that the same rule must apply. the killing of young innocence. teachers and coaches, gunned down in a school.a place that should be a haven in a heartless world, lays the hand relays at the hands of the fbi. and although the shooter pulled the trigger, potential slaughter, twice reported to the fbi, could have been prevented had they bothered to lift a finger. a concerned citizen sees this on youtube quote i want to be a professional school shooter. and that citizen is so alarmed he takes his time to call the fbi. they take the complaint and do nothing! but after 17 killed and 14 wounded, the fbi has the unmitigated gall to buck up to a microphone and say -- >> there was not enough to

positively identify the subject. it got closed at that point. >> closed it out saying what? he had no further identifying information?are you not the fbi? there are only 13 nikolaus cruz in this country here to support this lame excuse they trot out messages brief with the fbi talking points. >> the fbi is very limited in what it can do with this type of information. they're looking for federal crimes that they can prosecute. on its face, this single posting does not give you that. he will not be able to take into prosecute and save improved who posted this, will you charge them? the answer is no. >> they say the fbi agents blessed them, they're working within the guidelines and adding that they cannot follow someone for protective first amendment rights. really? working within their

guidelines? do the guidelines tell them to ignore school shooters? or threats to kill? isn't the job of an fbi special agent, by the way, they are all special agents. isn't their job to investigate? you really want to talk about guidelines as we bury our children? google told youtube to remove this message. the fbi issued a preservation order to save the electronic footprint. even if google deleted the threat it will be easy to find his youtube and google require an email address and cell phone information that allows them to find other postings of cruz, a pattern of behavior as well as his ip address. but the fbi does nothing. and now the fbi goes in front of the cameras with the broward

county sheriffs office to quote support them and give them every resource they need. how about you assist them before the tragedy? an even more alarming, on january 5 a call comes into the fbi to line a person close to cruz. writing information about gun ownership. his desire to kill people, erratic behavior, putting in his own breasts, dysfunctional home life, eerily predicting the horrific shooting about to occur in five weeks. everyone seemed to know cruz would do this. everyone it seems, but the fbi. and as the outrage mouse, director, christopher wray, says he deeply regret the additional pain but caused by the fbi' failure to investigate the january tip. you regret the additional pain? how about you regret that you did not stop the massacre? he did nothing to prevent bloodshed at a school? they did not lift a finger to

investigate? regret? how about regret the fact that even though you raised to the cameras and you think you are the big dogs in law enforcement, you cannot even do any cop from any town in this country would be smart enough to do. and you know no bounds? my sources tell me the fbi had a call with the victims families to say we want you to know we are putting protocols in place to make sure this doesn't happen again. you're going to make sure it doesn't happen again? tell me how that helps me as i bury my child shot in the head, the look in the bedroom of my child, knowing that he or she will never come home again. and now, you're going to investigate? if we know anything about you, you will live, deny, delete emails, do anything you need to to protect yourselves. i would add one thing to the governor rick scott's demand that the directors christopher wray go. that is that the entire upper echelon, the entire top layer of the fbi go.

for more than three decades, they have been elected with my own investigators. i worked with the fbi and watch as they fought wilcox to take away our cases. the fbi runs over local law enforcement in this country and don't you buy for one minute that they are one happy family working with local police. local police are the real cops! runs with their ears to the ground and there choose to the pavement. they are the ones who solve crime. and so hundreds of fbi agents chase russians to create a nonexistent russian collision and work the fake hillary email investigation. or should i say, matter. they ignore credible tips loaded with probable cause. as people like peter strzok and lisa paige carried on their fair thinking it will change the course of history. as andrew mccabe wrote the cranston case and the trump

matter because hundreds of thousands of dollars for his wife's campaign. real justice is thwarted. do not give me this, we do not have enough resources or anyone can make a mistake. he would not know a crime if it's staring you in the face! admit it! you screwed up on so many cases, it is hard to find out when you didn't. the boston bombers, people dead and countless losing limbs and eyesight because of your bs line that the threat was not specific enough. the fort hood massacre, the orlando pulse night club shooting. the san bernardino massacre, the attacks of 9/11. you were involved in every one of them! but you are so territorial, so selfish, so politicized, so focused on headlines, so full of yourselves that you refused to even share information with other agencies. even the new york times says herbert doctor larry nassar was on your radar almost 3 years

ago and what did you do? nothing! who did you notify? no one! and it is estimated another 40 young children were as victimized by him. and when confronted with atrocity of blatant disregard for our children, the fbi says, the safety and well-being of our youth is a top priority. really? try selling that to the grieving families and parents in parkland, florida. at least larry nassar victims are still alive. maybe the fbi think they are protecting children. and of course, there are good men and women in the fbi. but they are marginalized. they are not advanced. the powers at the top. this fbi was stained and politicized by mr. holier than thou james comey. but the seeds were stowed by him fbi director, bob mueller

who is now investigating president trump. time to stop the charade. time to return the fbi to its original mission. and that is my open. tell me what you think on my facebook page, twitter and instagram # judge jeanine. and now we have i guess. how are you? sorry about that. now, rick scott says christopher wray has to go. you heard how i feel. what say you? >> there was no question is a systematic failure at the fbi we all know it. and director christopher wray came out that it was his fault, his mistake. it is so sad and so tragic that this mass shooting, this unspeakable tragedy could have been invented. no question about it.

i failed at every level. hesitate to see something and say something. and that is fine. so i did see something, limited say something but the fbi did not do anything. that is what is key here. >> okay so that is key! what are the consequences? what are the sanctions? who pays we met i didn't want to hear again is a lesson learned will be will investigate because i do not believe them. >> right.fbi director, christopher wray was put in this position not only to clean up the politics at the highest level. to get rid of this bias. but also to fix problems like this. clearly, there was a failure there. director christopher wray will make changes, and understand there's a top to bottom review in audit here. but no question, something has to be done within the fbi to keep this from happening again. >> i don't buy it! with all due respect, this is not enough! i do not want to hear we will look at that. i will take what he failed. he did not tell us whether it

was a human failure of the guy that took information in june, the one who failed to send this to the miami field office. or whether it was a problem with the system the way it is designed. so wray is not upfront with us right now. >> this is unacceptable to the president. we have to know what happened here.i know they are in the middle of the investigation. >> they screwed up! hogan gidley, they screwed up! >> no question. and heads have to roll. i do not work at the fbi that is something you have to figure out. but we are monitoring the situation. there is no doubt that the president and his staff is incensed that this is occurred. he is furious that this was allowed to happen. when you know something is preventable like this, 100 percent preventable, it cannot happen again. >> i will tell you, my viewers and the american people are tired of the politics and the fbi. the fbi is a tainted,

politicized agency. and until we see some changes as opposed to, we need to do better, no one will be happy. i want to move on to the russian investigation. for the indictment. i believe it was 12:35 pm yesterday. the department of justice, rod rosenstein announces that it will have a press conference at 1:15 pm. less than 45 minutes. they now spent 13 russians have been indicted. so what's new? >> well, there are a couple of takeaways from this. the american people did not know because they've been hearing this for the better part of a year and 1/2. this investigation began in 2014. these russian people coming into our country and meddling with our election in 2014 under president barack obama number one. number two, it is clear, now we know for a fact there is no collision between the president and candidate trunk or the

campaign or any russian aftercare that is key. but third is that it did not affect the outcome. now we know for a fact. >> the election. >> it did not affect the outcome of the auction at all. frankly, now we know they were trying to disrupt the very core of our democracy. the president was outraged when he heard what they had done in the election. and we cannot allow this type of thing to happen again. >> hogan, you are not a neophyte in this business of press conferences and neither am i. in 40 minutes, the fbi, with the deputy attorney general, decides he will announce the russian indictment. no one has been arrested. everyone is in russia. why so fast?not too much in my opinion? >> i would love to hear your opinion. >> because the fbi was found to be at fault and they needed to step over it and overshadow it with the announcement of an indictment that said nothing! >> well, i cannot speak to that

because i do not know if they were trying to change the news cycle or not. but what i can say is finally now we know after all of these allegations for a year that there was no collision between the president and russia. now we can move on and continue to govern the country. >> hogan gidley thank you so much. appreciate it. doctor ben carson and lou holtz on my special guest tonight with an exclusive interview on how they are teaming up. to help inner-city kids. plus, tim clemente a former fbi agent, he has powerful insight on the bureaus handling or mishandling of the florida mishandling of the florida shootinwhen only the best will do... tempur-pedic delivers. only tempur material precisely conforms to your weight, shape and temperature. and tempur-pedic is the best at minimizing motion transfer from your partner, so you won't be disturbed during the night.. you'll wake up, feeling like a champion.

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with probable cause. if you are in fbi special agent and they give you the amount of -- name of the individual, the fact that he cut himself threatened the school, i can go on and on. what would you do? >> before us to immediately react, notify authorities together with me because it is better to have a uniform presence there. because fbi and plainclothes. they'll be the minimum. generally when a duty agent takes information like that, there is a supervisor that looks like it. someone, a checks and balances. some is that i got this call this is the information.and that christmas that we need to notify miami division immediately. that it came from outside the division. apparently it did come from outside the division because director christopher wray said it was never sent to miami. >> what they have now tim is, and james comey put this in place. he has his fingerprints all over everything. they have an 800 number.

when anybody wants to report something to the fbi, instead of calling the field office they call the 800 number. the 800-number is supposed to send it out to the appropriate field office. what the director does not tell us, is whether the individual never recorded. forget about footwork or whether it was the system that is not set up to take it to miami. he did not tell us, what does that tell you? >> it tells me that they read hiding something embarrassing or they have not gotten to the bottom of it yet. as of the only two possibilities. >> wait a minute. let's be straight with each other. you are a coffee before you were in fbi agent, right? you know how to investigate crime. >> i do. >> if this happens, if the guy did not report it. the guy who takes the call. you call him and ask him what happened? >> exactly. >> four, if he can prove that he reported it, the question is, -- >> who did you report it to? it may have been one agent to

the call. put on paper and set it up the chain and the chain -- >> or put it into the computer. >> but it was to be a paper trail but electronic. and it goes to someone else. no one else looks attitude that the information and is supposed to make the call to immediately send it to miami or put in a file is not important. somebody must have made the call.who was that? >> let me ask you this. the fbi is always that we are helping. why don't they, what did they not act in this case? let's you don't know about this phyllis go back to september. when a guy who is a blogger says, this kid says he was to be professional school shooter. i'm sure you know -- says, it is first amendment that is protected. hello! >> there are some protections you have to work through and around. >> if someone said i'm going to -- >> i agree. if someone makes a threat, if there is a viable threat in

there. the threat is me sitting across music i'm going to punch you, you know i can carried out and the capability weary within distance that i can. if i'm calling from cleveland and you are in chicago and i said that it's not a real threat. if someone says i'm going to be a professional school shooter, it doesn't matter where they are. you find out. >> the fbi cannot say, we can figure it out. i found out that they were 13 people with the name nikolaus cruz in the country. who are they kidding? >> is not an exponential number to worry about. there will be a limited number and at the very least you say we ran out of 13 we found. >> shouldn't we have confidence in the fbi? with all of the screw ups from san bernardino, fort hood, 9/11, pulse, austin, -- >> those are things that they should have done more in a lot of them should have presented. but i still have the confidence in people on the street work in the cases. i do not have confidence in the

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judge jeanine. >> there is no allegation in this indictment that any american was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. there is no allegation in the indictment that the charge conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election. >> and to our other developing story tonight, 13 russians indicted for meddling in the presidential election. and he is heard rod rosenstein say, no allegation it is altered the election. joining me know your former deputy chief campaign manager david bosley. thank you for being here

tonight. the deputy attorney general there, i was out and says it did not affect the election. so who cares? >> the american people clearly care! look, we none of the evil empire still exists. that is the one thing. when i was raised as a boy, the evil empire is asleep in the 60s, 80s, through thousands. they have not changed at all. vladimir was clearly trying to do one thing. clearly in this indictment they started in may 2014. clearly, before donald trump was president, a presidential candidate, long before many of the people got into the race, he wanted to sow discord. that is what they did. and it did not matter who the candidates were. people work dedicated to disrupt the election. i blame two people for this. barack obama and james comey. they were the president and the fbi director for two years while this was going on.

>> and they did nothing! >> they did absolutely nothing. as a matter of fact, it did not want anyone. they did not send out the word to capitol hill. they did not have senate hearings were held hearings to say this is an emergency. we need to take action. now today, these people want to say on their high horses, look at what president trump is or is not doing. no, you lost your credibility! the dereliction of duty is on them. >> okay, i do not know if you heard this. i said yesterday at 12:35 pm, rod rosenstein announces he is going to have a press conference at 1:15 pm. that is at 40 minutes. why so fast? noah from russia is here to be arraigned.no one has been arrested. why? my take is the information came out about the fbi screwing up big time in the shooting at the school and so now, they want to overshadow it with the russian meddling in the election.

>> i do not know if those two things are connected but i can say that there was probably something going on that they felt would become public that they needed to get out. >> and 40 minutes? what? >> it happens all the time. >> i know, i was the da. who cares? >> it was not out of the normal course of business. >> but no one was being arrested. is russia going to come are we going to extradite them from russia? this is a joke! >> i think the president should demand that those people should be extradited. >> do think that vladimir putin will care? >> president is it enough is enough. they are already doing this for 2018 and 2020. we must have a very robust effort to stop this. >> has the united states ever interfered with elections in other countries?

>> i suspect that we probably have. for our own national security interest i'm guessing we have participated in disruptive efforts around the world. and i understand that. but what the russians have done here, this is divided the american people. the democrats and the left in this country have two, after watching what happened yesterday with the indictments. have to step back and say, we are a little hyperventilating over this. over the russian inclusion thing which has now proven to not be true. there is no collision, no corruption. >> a sure nothing else is coming down the pipe? >> someone at the campaign, there was no corporation, collision, coordination. nothing of the sort. i said that here and many places. as long as i have been asked. were no russians in the building. we do not even russian salad dressing! it was ridiculous! but no, serious. this is over the top what the left has done to divide the country. over these allegations which are now proven not true.

>> david, take you for being with us tonight. >> thank you for having me. was a legendary college football coach, the secretary of housing and urban development, teaming up for a great cause. lou holtz ancestrydna is only $69. and now, with more than 150 ethnic regions to connect to... ...it's the perfect time to find out where your greatness comes from. save 30% at ancestrydna.com.

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in washington d.c. tonight. two icons, hud secretary doctor ben carson and sports icon, lou holtz to talk about a new program focusing on young people in the inner cities to help them make better choices to achieve the american dream through sports and community. named, the what's important now program. it is an honor to have you here

today. i will speak with you mr. secretary first. give a program they told me about there really was or is the basis of this new program. what is it? >> is called the envision program. i discovered and talking to a lot of young people particularly in disadvantaged areas, i say what you want to do when you grow up and you don't get a lot inspiring choices. we want to really expose them to the things that they are capable of doing. we also want to establish mentoring. there are a lot of good mentors in our society lest they do not know where to go or how to use that mentoring power. and we need a way to marry the need with the resources. >> c have this program called envision. and i think we have a full screen that shows the four pillars of the program.

>> yes, economic empowerment, educational advancement, health and wellness and leadership and character development. all of which are things that normally occur in a well-functioning, healthy home environment. but that does not necessarily exist for everybody. but as a society, we can create that. we can make that happen and we can empower people. because our whole idea now with comp is not how many people would get into the programs, but how many we can get out of programs. how many people we can help climb that ladder. >> okay so now we have this envision program. we have you, the secretary and a cabinet member of hud and that we have is i come. and he said to himself, sells, how can we marry this important program and resources with what you have to offer? >> but we are really talking about getting people to make

good choices. wherever we are because people drop out of school and join gangs. when only talk about a role model but getting them to raise their self image to believe they can do things. because there about bringing an athlete appeared in nfl nba player to say look at me. and that is to convince them that they can do anything they want. if they make, self image is so critical in everything you do. when you raise it self image then they start looking and saying positive things about themselves and other people. and the whole environment changes! they do not have a role model, we do not have a father in many instances. alden wants to do in this program, this was started by a professor at notre dame but everyone wins. everyone wins. but more importantly the young

people when and the country wins if we make good choices. and it's our obligation to help these people. >> coach, you are well known. for going into the inner city, talking to mothers of young kids that can become famous, sports icons themselves. and you say give me your son, i will bring you back a man. give me a sense of that. >> absolutely! because we teach them to make good choices. and discipline, it is what you do for somebody. i would say to them, get a dog and you let them do anything they want to never have -- you put a choke collar on and it is what can and cannot do! then years later you give it freedom because they learn to make good choices. and i believe this. i don't care where you go, because every better education system for the people in the inner city. i don't know why people consider their children to go to a private school but then a minority capitalism public housing. that is not fair. it is getting people to make this and believe in them.

i had two people last year on the board of trustees at notre dame. two players put in the nfl hall of fame, three coaches. all seven are afro-american. i don't take credit for it. if parents and then they learn to make good choices for more than that they have a vision. that is where everything starts with vision. >> doctor, you have this program, envision. and the coach says how you will marry each other. how do we actually get to the students? to the individuals that you want to help? >> all of these envision centers will be located either within the housing complexes for very close to the places where people are disadvantaged. and while not necessarily all be in the inner city either. because of disadvantaged people throughout the society. we have to recognize that in america, if granted 30 million

people. we have to compete against india and china. they have four times as many people. which means we need to develop all of our people. this is what we need to start thinking this way as a nation. >> we bring into the envision centers? >> the first i will bring is -- they formed a club. -- lads. i did not come up with it! they have an alumni association, these are people that are very talented and very successful. they would be willing to come in and start being mentors. i also spoke with robert mcnair, jerry jones, i spoke to him over 20 minutes to his daughter charlotte, is a superstore. is going to get back with me about possibilities presented with mr. mcnair.

i spoke with -- president of the nba, not commissioner. he was one of my captains. i think i have a little pull with him. not only that -- i would like doctors, lawyers, anybody! >> let's stick with sports. stick with what you know. we will teach them did not take a knee? >> the important thing is communication. these rooms will have places for people to come together and to discuss things. and you know, before people get divorced, what do they do? they stop talking, they stop communicating. next we know that there spouse is the devil incarnate. as was happening in society right now. we need to change that direction quickly. every society that has done that has destroyed themselves.

>> i cannot say how thrilled i am to have you both here. what's important now! envision, doctor carlson, lou holtz, lads. thank you for being with us tonight! our panel is on deck and ready

>> emotional reaction from all around after the horrific shootings inside of a florida high school this week. take a listen to msnbc joe scarborough use the tragedy to compare the president to pontius pilate? >> case must be men of action but he letting our children get slaughtered. week by week by week. and it will happen again. he is letting christians, that go to church, get slaughtered. like pontius pilate, paul ryan, donald trump, they just washing the hands of it like pontius pilate. letting christians get slaughtered and letting country fans get slaughtered at concerts. >> that one left me speechless! let's bring in the panel. turning point usa founder charlie and chris hahn, former aide to chuck schumer and syndicated radio host. chris? >> look, i think we've a gun culture in the country.

when a conflict that doesn't want to do anything about it. i suspect that donald trump is not as tied to the nra as paul ryan and some of his members in the house. and many members in the second i like to see front the senate present some sensible legislation. the president understands something is to be done. i'm hoping to god over the next couple of weeks, he proposes something sensible that can change his gun culture killing so many. >> i will ask again, is joe scarborough right? chris? >> i don't think so. i would not compare to pontius pilate. if he does nothing, he can! >> go ahead charlie. >> scarborough has gone farther and farther off the deep end ever since trump won because he was on the wrong side of history. he says he will lose historically and now he is

comparing the president of the united states to pontius pilate. it is astonishing. go to the comments about gun laws.i was challenge back what exactly is the position? do you want handouts to be burned as well? because if that is your position that the majority of gun deaths in the country. if you think i will gun laws are actually fostering an environment and culture that is making us have more gun violence, why not just ban all guns? if that is the position. because right now, if you look at the majority of gun violence in the country comes from handguns. it would be foolish, wrong and impossible. i like a soundbite of common sense gun reform. i would love to hear what that means chris because it is a talking point. >> i will tell you what it means. if you stop filibustering. the bottom line is this. we need private insurance on every gun. in a registry on every gun. people in the florida department of children and families visit who find our troubled and finding that they want to purchase because it should never be buying guns!

right? they should never be doing that. >> we have the brady bill -- [multiple speakers] >> you want them isolation.>> chris, gun insurance. charlie, what you say to that? >> you will mandate this? >> stop! both of you. chris, do you want to tell me all of the guys in chicago and gangs will say my gun is illegal, i'm going to run out and get insurance? >> precisely. >> if everything is registered from the minute it leaves the manufacturer and has measured the less illegal guns on the street. it is simple as that. less illegal cars on the street because we know where they are at all times. and people have insurance and the private sector finds them when they are lost. that is the thing. we need a private sector market solution for guns. it will work.it works for cars and it will work with guns. >> go ahead chris. >> charlie, i'm sorry.

>> first all that will be completely impossible. there are over 250 million does the country must have not been registered and are owned illegally. we are talking about the massive shooting of florida. that would not have prevented that. it would have prevented if the fbi did their job. moving up laws on the books. >> what about the florida department of children and families did their job? >> the fbi was notified twice. >> they visited this guy a year and and a half ago and they knew he was wanting to buy guns. and they said the report they did not know -- >> chris! the fbi got a tip five weeks before, saying all of this stuff and they did nothing! >> and that is horrible to judge. i'm not giving them a pass on that, nobody should. but there were lots of warning signs your missed by lots of agencies. >> okay. except the most specific to the fbi. charlie, the president tweeted

just like they did not want to save the daca problem. what did the democrats ask gun control legislation when they have the president, house and senate during the obama administration? because they did not want to! and now they just talk. what do you say? >> and i agree for the most part. they did have control of all three chambers. thankfully we were able to block it in 2009 and 2010. they tried their best. the answer is not more federal gun legislation for majority of gun deaths are death by suicide and gang related deaths in urban areas with handguns. we have a culture problem in this country from failing public schools and bad government programs. the idea that people are just getting guns on the street in record numbers because everyone had a machine gun which by the way is illegal, it is completely wrong and adverse to reality. >> we have a gun culture in this country that is getting out of control. you combine that with a mental health problem that is not being addressed and we are at a

place where you see more and more of these mass shootings. and it is horrible and something needs to be done. i'm hoping that the president, who should have no real loyalty to the nra. listen, the recent democratic did not pass it when they had just because the nra owned a few of them too.it is time for this president to work and act on this immediately. >> what about the second amendment chris? >> look, no amendment is absolute. even justice antonin scalia of the amendment could have restrictions is working he wrote back and i think ronald reagan said that as well. it is time for the amendment not to be treated like -- to be treated like other amendments with restrictions. >> we have the brady bill, background checks, we close loopholes in the 80s and 90s not to mentally waiting. in a lot of states. it is just wrong. >> they aren't too many politics and they probably on your organization. >> stop it!

>> stop it!

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saturday night or to visit friends. if you can't watch, set your dvr.kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. see you next saturday night. i'm jeanene bureau advocating for truth, justice and the american way. the greg gutfeld show is next. greg: let's get to it. a them fiend killed 17 in flori. i will not mention his name. he will not see his picture. instead let's focus on helpful action. here's some things i suggested you to reduce these events. number one we need to hard and soft targets for security in training. this should be a trillion dollar industry. one that helps protect against not just massive shooters but terrorists as well.