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have some fun. you ready to have a party tonight? together we're all going to save america with a little -- are you happy with the last year the progress? [cheers and applause] anyway, welcome to hannity. we're broadcasting live tonight from cpac where 2018 we have a lot of breaking news we'll get into in the course of the next hour. the president is now taking the lead to protect america's school children and schools by, you happy about that, by holding listening sessions offering up ideas and solutions. meanwhile predictably the democrats, the abusively biased news media, they are playing the same old blame game hoping to score cheap political points in push for gun control. also new tonight on this very stage nra ceo executive vice president wayne lapierre blasted critics for trying to blame his organization for the tragedy in florida. then have you the fake news

network cnn proving they are incapable of having a fair, intellectual fact-based debate about guns in america and pro-second amendment speakers like dana loesch who is here with us tonight. [cheers and applause] was shouted down, called a murderer and worse and a student now accusing today the fake news network of actually scripting the questions. now, it's not the first time cnn has done this. [crowd boos] >> we will expose all of this you ready for our breaking news opening monologue. [cheers and applause] >> let's hit it. ♪ >> sean: all right, in the wake of this tragic school shooting in florida, president trump is showing some very strong leadership. is he now trying to find ways to keep america's schools safe, our kids safe. enduring another white house listening session today he offered up ideas and solutions. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> we have to harden our schools, not soften them up.

a gun-free zone to a killer or somebody that wants to be a killer, that's like going in for the ice cream. that's like here i am, take me. we have to get smart on gun-free zones. when they say it says this is a gun-free zone, that means nobody has a gun except them. nobody is going to be shooting bullets in the other direction. they see that as such a beautiful target. they live for gun-free zones. i think a concealed permit for having teachers and letting people know that there are people in the building with gun, you won't have, in my opinion, you won't have these shootings, because these people are cowards. they are not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns. it may be 10% or may be 40%. what i would recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. we give them a little bit of a bonus, but the nra is ready to do things people like to blame them and they do have power and all of

that. but they want to do -- they actually came up with certain of the rules and regulations that we have now. but we're going to have to toughen -- i told them we have to toughen them up. we really do have to have offensive measures, also. i know people don't like talking about it. but we need offensive as well as defensive. we have to be totally devin. if we don't have offensive measures, within these schools, we are just -- you are just kidding yourselves, folks. >> sean: all right, you have to give the president a lot of credit because instead of engaging in the same old tired back and forth, repeating the same talking points, the politicians, the media use after these tragedies, is he actually trying to come up with solutions, solving the problem. now, here's the bottom line. we have a choice in all of this. do we keep having the exact same political debate that we have had ongoing since columbine that's not going to change anybody's minds or do we actually fix the problem? do we want to protect our children? now, remember, after 9/11,

well, we fixed the problem of aircraft security and i am a very strong supporter of the second amendment. i'm sure people in this room are as well tonight. [cheers and applause] predictably the left and the liberal media that are talking about getting rid of the second amendment, are talking about confiscating guns like australia for a minute, let's take politics out of all of this. let's just focus on the issue how do we keep our kids safe in school in the president saying he wants solutions and that's why he sat down with students and parents and teachers and governors and state and local officials. now, he talked and he listened. and by the way he wants to have a positive impact. this is a simple truth. the left and the media can talk all they want about banning certain types of weapons used by these evil maniacs. but the thing is you could never stop the evil that exist in some people's hearts. and if you take away and you ban one weapon, these killers, those with evil

intent will use something else. we have already seen this happen. let's go back to the virginia tech shooting, the deadliest shooting in the history of this country and in that case the shooter used pistols. and what the left, the media cannot seem to comprehend or don't want to comprehend is that evil exists in this world there are murderers, there are rapists. child molesters, there is evil. if they don't use a rifle in the case of these school shootings then it's going to end up being a handgun the next time. after that if it's not a handgun it's going to be another type of weapon or tool. remember the boston bombers they used explosives that were made from every day products that are readily available. other terrorists have used trucks, vans, and cars. others have used knives. are we going to ban everything? as much as the left and the media want to think that the government can fully stop these killers with regulations and laws, they cannot. because people that have this evil, they will always find a way to cause pain and

suffering and inflict maximum carnage. the only thing that comes with banning weapons is that you will infringe on the rights of constitutional law abiding american citizens that have the right to protect themselves and their families. [cheers and applause] what's missing are real solutions to protect these innocent kids. they brought up a lot of great ideas and solutions that we have been discussing on this show. in the case of the florida school shooting. there were warning signs all over the place about nikolas cruz. we knew that he was mentally ill. we knew he was unstable. we knew he was capable of doing something. of the students all seemed to know it and the same goes for the teachers. there are reports that police were actually called to cruise's home 3 times over a 7-year period. that's a pretty good indicator. cruz got into trouble at school. he threatened students. he wasn't allowed to carry a backpack at the school. and he was eventually

expelled from the school. the miami herald reports that school officials actually sent out an email warning teachers about nikolas cruz. and then e of course, have you his social media footprint. had you pictures with guns and knives and disturbing photos. then of course the fbi they were called and warned they did not follow up. in other words, every bit of evidence to indicate that this was going to happen was right there in front of us. people saw something, said something, and nothing happened learning two more pieces of information tonight. security cameras were on a nearly half hour delay which slowed down law enforcement and their ability to capture nikolas cruz broward county sheriff saying the armed security officer on campus didn't enter the building when the shooting was taking place. instead the officer took a

defensive position outside of the school. this is why we need solutions. we neededies. we need to fix the problem. we need to protect our kids. here's the thing. we already know what works. and there are things that we use every day in office buildings and airports and courthouses and other government buildings and other facilities. the key if you want to solve the problem is security and it's not really that hard threat assessment can be done by retired or former police or retired former military, special ops, these schools are soft targets [applause] >> we need to harden the perimeters around these schools. and for those of you worried about the cost, really? are we going to be cheap when it comes to defending our kids? i also guarantee you these former officers and veterans, they would line up and volunteer to help their community to keep our kids safe. [applause]

these need to include ways to secure the perimeter and every point of entry. from there, if these experts determine that it's needed, you are need to put an id system in place. zero exceptions. they need to know everybody that goes into that school. i work in two office buildings in new york. one for radio, one for tv. if you don't have a work i.d. you are not allowed entry. visitors are vetted through a security system. and you must show your i.d. and then you usually checked in case you have any metal objects going. in and from there on a case-by-case basis if schools need it they should have metal detectors and other security measures. finally you have to have an armed security present at every school in america [applause] >> and you can hire retired veterans and police officers. schools can no longer be soft targets. you have to have people there who can fight back and challenge and confront any potential threat.

and when you think about the statistic brought up at the white house listening session yesterday, the average school shooting lasts only three minutes. it takes police on average 6 to 8 minutes to respond, which, by the way is incredibly fast. why not already have somebody on the scene that is armed, that is trained and ready to respond and save lives at a moment's notice? [applause] we take security threats against. look at oscars premadonna celebrities. why wouldn't we do the same thing for our children? and, in addition, to all of that, we also need a much pert way tbetter way to help the kids obviously in trouble. there has to be a system put in place to spot kids that we think are disturbed. we need to help them, get them the help that they need. and we have to put a focus on social media whether it's

someone physically monitoring it or easier, somebody reports what's going on nut case of this dick kid nikolas cruz. now, also on this stage earlier today, the nra ceo executive vice president wayne lapierre. he was here at cpac. [cheers and applause] >> he delivered a fiery response to liberals in the media that are trying to blame his organization for what happened in florida. lapierre also challenged them to do more to protect schools and to protect our kids. here's what he said. >> chris murphy, nancy pelosi, and more, cheered on by the national media, eager to blame the nra and call for even more government control. they hate the nra. they hate the second amendment. they hate individual freedom. in the rush of calls for more government, they have also revealed their

trueselves. the elites don't care not one wit about america's school system and school children. it's a bizarre fact that in this country our jewelry stores, all over this country are more important than our children. our banks, our airports, our nba games, our nfl games, our office buildings, our movie stars, our politicians, they are awful more protected than our children at school. does that make any sense to anybody? >> sean: now wayne lapierre, right? good points. he also pointed out how the nra has led the effort to keep the guns out of hands of criminals and from people that shouldn't have these weapons. of course, if you are watching the corrupt media in this country listening to to democrats in washington.

they will never tell you that because we are only interested in demonizing the second amendment supporters it's all predictable and pathetic. for example, all you have to do is look at what what happened during cnn's fake news town hall last night. fax differing opinion didn't matter. cnn stacked the deck against second amendment supporters. just take a look dana loesch will join us in a minute at how she was treated last night. >> let me answer the question. can you shout me down when i'm finished but let me answer emma's question. they spoke before b. that before the president made a move and they spoke about that before attorney general jeff sessions' made an announcement too. that answers your question to that. >> and i understand you are stands up for the nra and i understand that's what you are supposed to do. jew u.s. told this giewp people people that you are standing up for them. you are not standing up for them until you say i want less weapons. >> we had three lawmakers on

this stage and only one of them hinted at reinforcing the background check system. it is only as good as the record submit you had to it only one of them even got anywhere close to mentioning that. we have to have more than 38 states submit records. that's number one. number two. [you're a murderer. >> we have to develop better protocol to follow up on red flags. >> sean: dana will be here in a second. you heard people saying burn her. think about that. how can anybody have a serious conversation when one side is calling the other side murderers and screaming that they need to be burned. 235eubg must, cnn, they are not interested in solutions. this was all about political theater. as a matter of fact, it did nothing to solve the problem. fake news cnn also has another serious problem on their handled. a stoneman douglas high school student. he actually saved lives during the shooting. and is he reporting that cnn actually tried to script his questions at last night's

town hall that he didn't end up participating in because he wasn't going to be a part of that farce. here is what that student told our own tucker carlson earlier tonight. >> tucker: i want to make sure i have this strait so you sent them a long in effect essay on what you thought but they put their own words in the question and they weren't the names you had sent in. they were the producer's words? >> absolutely. they had taken what i had wrote and what hi briefed on and tawngsd about, they actually wrote the question for me. >> tucker: but not with your words. even though they asked to you send questions. >> absolutely. >> tucker: that seems dishonest. >> it definitely did. and that's kind of why i didn't go last night. originally i had thought that it was going to be more of my own question and my own say and then it turned out to be more of just the script. and she had actually said that over the phone that i needed to stick with the script. >> sean: so the students

saying. [crowd booing] fake news scripted his questions. and what did you them? >> fake news. >> sean: oh e okay. they are saying they would never provide scripted questions and colton's father withdrew his name from participating before the show began. this is not the first time that the fake news network has been accuse of scripting questions. michelle malkin put out a great article in 2016 for "the new york post." cnn's long history of allowing democratic town hall plants and here are just a couple of the many examples she found. 2007, cnn youtube debate. quote undecide you had voters literally included a member of the lbgt americans for hillary clinton steering committee. john edwards supporter that asked questions about abortion. log cabin republican that was really backing barack

obama. a concerned mother that was a union activist for united steel workers that it endorsed john edwards and former internal for democratic congresswoman jane harman. we know that the former dnc chair donna brazile leaked town hall questions to the clinton campaign. they had advantage over bernie sanders in this case. joining us on staining nra spokesperson dana loesch who was there last night. [cheers and applause] >> fox news contributor katie pavlich. community correspondent at home geraldo rivera. [cheers and applause] >> and dan bongino. >> what's up, bro. [chanting u.s.a.] >> sean: this is great. first i want to say i obviously didn't watch because they are on at the same time but i watched

later. and number one, you did a phenomenal job under the most difficult circumstance circumstances. [cheers and applause] >> sean: bring us behind the scenes. you were called a murderer, burn her, what else? >> yeah, well, let me set the stage for you and first off i want to say that it's hard being a teenager, it's hard being a grieving teenager and hard being a grieving teenager exploited by the media being asked to grieve publicly on the national stage. this was an arena full of survivors, victims' parents and other community members. there were over 7,000 people that were in this arena, sean. >> sean: um-huh. >> and when we entered you kind of entered like you were floyd play weather going into the ring. literally you came in from part of the arena and walked through between all these people. and you got up on stage. it was pretty chaotic. it started even before i got up on stage to talk. and i, the whole reason why

i showed up there is because the march is made up of over 5 million members who are also parents. >> sean: i'm one. >> you are one and you are a parent. we didn't do anything wrong. >> right. why is it that we are held responsible when here as you mentioned just today we learned that the sheriff's office, here had you a deputy who waited upwards of 4 minutes before they went. in sean it was reported this morning that the parents had reported this murderer to police before. there is a report out there. the records have been discussed in media, where they said they told police he had threatened people with a gun before. he has held a gun to other's heads. i'm not a member of the fbi. i'm thought a member of law enforcement. i love what they do and appreciate what they do. brian: you are not doing this because you are paid. >> i have been a second amendment supporter and nra lifetime member for along time. >> sean: that was a cheap shot. >> that was a cheap shot by the sheriff. >> sean: that's fine but what he did was wrong. >> that was wrong and he has

questions to answered. >> sean: we have you for two segments which is great. what other names were you called while on that stage. >> i was called a see you next tuesday. they said burn her. murder yomurderers. i heard a lot of murderers. chanted me shame as i walked out. did i not. i look attar single person. >> they. ed jerry springer? >> honestly. cnn should have left. >> the okayal jerry springe okal jerry springer. >> that was the money shot they wanted, i'm sure. people try to rush the stage. there was a woman who rushed the stage. >> sean: that's scary. >> at one point jake tapper turned to me and said do you have an escort have you got to get out of here right now. if i did not have a three person detail with me, i would not have gotten out of the arena. >> sean: that's scary. >> that's not exaggeration.

>> sean: geraldo, one of my best friends in life. we disagree on some things. you believe nut second amendment. >> i do. >> you agree with what i outlined for security measures. >> i absolutely agree with it dana said it's harvard being a teenager. i'm the father of five, door of them haves pad through the teenage thirls it's hard why would they raise the age weapons 20 to 21 as the president advocates. this simple change. i want the nra to embrace the change. [crowd booing] >> i want the nra -- here is a kid who was visited 39 times by the cops. here is a kid they wouldn't let him carry a knapsack into the school. >> they banned the backpack but didn't ban him.

>> there are so many signs it's embarrassing. >> he couldn't buy a beer. >> sean: we have a full segment next with our panel. kellyanne next on the set. smile dad. i take medication for high blood pressure and cholesterol. but they might not be enough to protect my heart. adding bayer aspirin can further reduce the risk of another heart attack. because my second chance matters. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.

♪ ♪ [cheers and applause] >> sean: as we continue from cpac 2018, still with us dana loesch, katie pavlich, dan bongino, geraldo rivera. all right. let me give dan a chance to respond to geraldo and what he was saying, he doesn't want young people -- by the way, young people that are mentally disturbed, nobody wants them to have a gun. i don't think there is one person here if you are -- if the cops come to your house 39 times, they only came to

mine 29 when i was young. [laughter] so, but in all -- >> that's my point. >> sean: that kid is troubled. we knew he was troubled. >> we all agree, geraldo, this kid should have not been anywhere near a firearm. it's entirely disingenuous argument to say we are going to send our 18-year-olds overseas with the very same weapon to fight for your freedom, theirs and everyone else and then when they come home and say by the way you are not emotionally mature enough to use that almost exact same firearm in a lesser format in many cases when you are on american soil. that is an entirely ludicrous article. >> why do we keep these kids from booze? why? >> it's not a constitutional right. >> evolving as people. >> that's a strawman argument. it's not the same thing. >> they are going through angst. >> you didn't answer my question. >> sean: one at a time. >> you didn't answer my question. why do we send them overseas with a firearm to defend our freedom and then tell them. >> you mentioned it is the exact same weapon.

i know. >> sean: bring in katie pavlich. i think we need to stop calling this guy a kid. first of all. he was 19 years old. he was not a child. he was 19 years old. he was a grown adult. hold him responsible for his actions stop giving him a way out. second of all this, is a direct result of the government failing at every single level. the third thing that we need to family size is that teachers are willing to step up. not all of them. but some of them. this is not a new concept. teachers around the country and this school district all over the place have stepped up to the plate. they are armed. they are ready to take on a violent -- >> sean: it would be better that teachers teach. i'm not against them having in the classroom if they want and they are trained. what about retired military their job. >> that's fine. they can't be everywhere. i talk to teachers, i know much teachers in the classroom who are firearm owners for 30 years who are

trained. >> sean: they should definitely have them. >> come out today they are going to offer free training to superintendents and presidents of school boards to make sure they know what they're doing. they are begging to -- >> sean: your point. >> the nra has a school shield program has reinforced and hardened schools 150 schools so far acots run it think. the one thing asked was about age restrictions. southern springs murderer was 27 years old. are you telling everybody here that you think making this guy wait a couple of years is going to solve his psychosis? >> i'm telling that you saturday night i sat this close to the president of the united states who described to me the nature of the wound of those children in that hospital. he was so deep -- wait a second. he was so deeply impressed and moved and troubled. >> he is doing his job as president. >> has now adopted. >> listening. >> juvenile assault weapons ban as part of his program. we need to do something. it won't solve the problem. but the nra, if it doesn't want to be on the of history

will adopt this modest reform. [crowd booing] >> that's is one of the reasons why dan and i. >> do you want to do nothing? do you want to do nothing? do you want to just do nothing? just leave it the way it is. >> geraldo, do you want a solution or do you want to scream? >> first off, this is what dana and i. >> sean: make sure our audience at home can hear. >> i want to answer. >> sean: you agree armed guards. >> yes. >> sean: they want to do something. >> i had a vice principal who in the summertime was a new york state trooper. he would be and he was a football coach. he is a perfect guy to have a weapon. >> sean: okay. at school? >> in school. >> sean: dana. >> what about 20-year-old women like me who didn't live at home. i lived out on my own. we lived at home alone. >> how can you argue are you saying that we can't. >> pistol is just as deadly as ar-15.

>> it's okay if somebody has something chambered in 2-2-3. i don't think you first off understand ballistics or firearms number one. [cheers and applause] >> number two. >> 30 assignments in iraq and afghanistan, and i don't understand ballistics? >> do you want me to take shooting? >> the reason why the age limit for handguns is different than the age limit for semiautomatic rifles is due to the 196 firearms act. the reason why handguns are 21 is because congress at the time focused on the fact that handguns were use new the majority of crimes. well, that is still the case today. which is why the numbers still stand. >> sean: that was virginia tech. >> correct. the majority of crimes that we see carried out with handguns, -- with firearms, 45 to 65% of them are with handguns. 2.2% of them are carried out with rifles. the other thing i want to

address. >> five out of the six last massacres were ar-15. >> let me finish my point. you talk about -- you just admitting that what you are calling a juvenile assault weapons ban won't solve the problem. you are not allowed to infringe on people's constitutional rights if it won't solve a problem. >> sean: dan bongino, hang on. real quick. >> it is a small step but it is a positive step. >> you just said it won't solve anything. >> it's a small step. >> this is based on a faulty premise that geraldo you are falling into this trap, okay? criminals don't give a crap about gun laws, knock they don't. guys, listen, what is the defining characteristic of a criminal? they are outlaws. they don't care about rape laws, robbery laws, burglary laws, gun laws. you are not slowing them down. >> this is a same defeatist attitude that prevents us from doing anything. >> no, it's not defeatist.

>> sean: no, geraldo, focus on me for one second. we agree that we need -- if we put retired police and military in the schools we do threat assessment. >> background checks? >> sean: geraldo, what i'm saying to you is we all agree that we could secure every school with armed retired military and police. do you agree with me? >> teachers too. >> sean, five of the last six masters were committed with ar-15s. there is a reason for that. [crowd boos] >> all of the booing and all of your activism pails when you see those dead bodies and those children mangled. >> sean: last word, dana, we have got to roll. >> 8 o8 of the last 9 were known by out fbi and dropped by the ball. >> sean: this was a real debate tonight. so let's give it up for everybody here. thank you all. kellyanne as we continue

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>> i want my schools protected just like my banks are protected just like everything else. i get a kick. i was watching a politician weak ineffective politician last night i will tell you the name but i don't want to embarrass anybody. he was talking about no guns no, this, no that. he is surrounded by three guys carrying guns. when are they going to give up their guns? they are not going to give up their guns but he wants everybody else to have no guns, all right? and have you plenty of them. >> sean: that was from today's listening session u that was at the white house, two days in a row following this horrific mass shooting last week. well, the president has know shown leadership. is he trying to find solutions. keeping our schools and kids safe. joining us now a big warm cpac warming to the

counselor to the president, kellyanne conway. [cheers and applause] >> sean: wow. all right. so, is there have been a lot of school shootings, like a lot of issues. everybody talked about opening anwr and nobody did it until president trump did it? >> right. moving jerusalem. >> sean: everyone talked about. >> out of paris. >> sean: nobody did it since donald trump. is he going to solve the problem with school shootings. >> i believe can he and he will. i think we should all be grateful that donald j. trump is the president at this time. [cheers and applause] >> and for the president of the united states, to hold back-to-back sessions yesterday and today, today public safety, school safety with elected officials, with commission commissioners of the police the sheriffs and educators you have the mayor of park land, florida has been a remarkable woman throughout this.

for him to do this yesterday and today. and yesterday to have the parents there including those who suffered last week in florida. isn't this the man always given listening. he has listened to the angel care moms and dadded. coal miners and business owners coming to the white house and how they would spend the tax savings they would get from any cut. big business, small business, to inspiring entrepreneurs, to young people all across this country whose future is more prosperous, more safe because of him. he has now taken this all the way into, i think, a scourge on our society. and there are many. >> for the president of the united states to welcome these people into his house yesterday. they were in the state dining room, and to just listen, he didn't make it about himself as politicians often do. he didn't interrupt them. he spoke very little. very sparingly. he and the vice president took into account all of

the -- i think the emotion and grief but also the proverbial. >> sean: we played a clip of the president. he spoke yesterday how the average school shooting is over in three minutes. even the best first responders as great as they are, they need six minutes to get. >> there yeah. >> sean: that's why and he made another good point, all these politicians, all these celebrities, all these people that would like to disarm americans that aren't willing to put retired armed military, retired armed police in the schools, they are usually pretty well protected with their own security forces of armed people like at the oscars, et cetera. so there is a lot of hypocrisy here and the lectures that come from people that themselves have security and armed guards is a little -- falls flat, at least on my ears and most people here. >> this president is pretty adept at pointing out hypocrisy. i think in this case it's been said by many people over the last week and true that if we really care about

our children, and we all do in this country, then we have to at least protect them like we have many places stadiums. >> sean: banks. >> banks have been talked about. >> sean: concerts. >> clearly where there is a celebrity. i watched our children i think they are our future horrors. intrifts in their own right and households. they deserve the same protection as many people who can afford it have. [applause] >> sean: i have a scenario that i think everybody at home and everybody here, i want you to just think about for one second. if god forbid you ever find yourself in any administration building, i don't know where or have thousand ever would happen and there is a an active shooter. would you or would you not want retired, armed, military, retired armed police on site so you have a fighting chance? [cheers and applause] i think we owe that to

america's children as a simple fund mental basic front line of defense the president made that point again and again today. second day he had the cameras and mikes rolling second time. unrestricted unrehearsed and unfiltered and i would say unexpected. we need to hearden our target and schooles need to be places with a be a would be mass murderers is not going to have their way there. this they snow they can't easily get in and do their damage they will think twice about that. he came in tough about that because he want to make sure we solve this twuns and for all. these are necessary conversations and not easy solutions. i think we should give the president and vice president and others great credit for having that conversation. >> sean: what do you make of the liberal media and just within seconds and hours they're out there with their

predictable talking points and attacking the president? >> really missing the essence of what yesterday really was about. if you listened very carefully to the people in that room. and they had the floor. they came there with ideas. they came there with certainly with controversies. i think that the disagreement in the room yesterday over policy from this effective family reflects very much the disagreement across this country. that disagreement needs to be heard. and the different useds need to be aired. and what i believe is that they still have i think many people in the media trying to get the story. still too many trying to get the president. and it's unfortunate what happened after a day like yesterday where even some of his fiercest critics say it was a very possible event. it was a very good thing for him to have hosted at the white house. at the same time, anybody who came away yesterday and took one little snippet and tried to manipulate

anybody's words is really being disingenuous as to the tone and content of the entire event and being quite disrespectful to the people who were in the room. who are really the ones speaking. [applause] sean kellyanne conway let's give her a big cpac welcome. we appreciate it coming up, new developments on the phony anti-trump clinton bought and paid for dossier, sara carter, gregg jarrett, mat schlapp all with us. stay with us. ♪ ♪ this is something that i'm

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senator john mccain has invoked the fifth and will not testify about the anti-trump dossier's russian sources to the house intel committee and joining us now from the american conservative union, he put cpac together every year. the one and only matt slach fox news contributor sara carter, fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett. this is a big deal, especially in light of devin nunes now saying he wants an answer from obama officials for 10 questions, specifically related to the phony bought and paid for russian dossier that hillary tried to manipulate the american people with. >> yeah, it's very significant, sean, because if you look at who they are asking these questions, these are senior obama administration. >> sean: we know clapper, brennan. >> we know clapper, brennan and comey are being asked. quite a few other state department officials i know

for sure. i don't want to go in that direction until we verify it yet. there is quite a few people involved here. now with david kramer this is significant and important. he was a state department official. remember, he was the guy who went and get the dossier for mccain answered brought it back. the fbi already had the dossier. we know that the fbi had obtained that dossier earlier that summer. he goes back. he gets the dossier. and he is pleading the fifth because he doesn't want to answer one get in particular. >> sean: what is that question? >> did he leak it to buzzfeed? >> sean: gregg jarrett, what's fascinating. fusion gps, the fbi, nobody verified the does way. and then they brought it comey even said in january of 2017 to the president-elect, it was salacious and unverified. in october they went before a fisa court and the bulk of that fisa application was that phony bought and paid

for dossier and they never told the fisa judge that it was hillary clinton bought and paid for. they put a footnote in, it may be political. >> it's arguably six different felonies for doing that the kramer thing is interesting. he appeared before the intelligence committee december 19th and he said i know who steele's sources are the committee said who are they? he said i'm not going to tell you. slap him with a subpoena to make him tell him now he invokes the fifth. why would he do that? maybe he didn't know the sources and tell the truth which is why he may be invoking the fifth. it's hard to know sources that don't even exist. if he knows the sources and invoking the fifth to protect them. that's an illegal use of the fifth amendment privilege. >> let me ask matt a different question, a little off beat. you know, everyone says oh the president is a

nationalist populist. i have been a reagan conservative 30 years in radio. 23rd year on fox. i see him as a reagan conservative the way is he governing. >> absolutely. >> sean: i know you take heat [applause] >> sean: at cpac every year having the biggest crowds. the president will be here tomorrow. it's going to be a mob scene. >scene. >> that's right. >> sean: i see him as a conservative how do you see it? >> i think these terms all this jargon and lingo break them down. i'm okay with a president who is patriotic and will fight for our country. other people say is he a nationalist. and i think that they don't get the fact that if you believe that the government is too big and does too much, if you believe we should have constitutionalist judges and you think the tax code should not take all of our money, and redistribute it. >> sean: isn't this all reagan? you have not said one thing that's not reagan. >> exactly. what i say is get rid of all the tickets and jargon and

look at the actions and people in this never trump man trarks they are intellectually dishonest. they told us he wouldn't governa conservative. that's not what he did. >> sean: what's the next phase, we only have a short period of time with the dossier. >> we certainly know that the inspector general i mean, is looking into this. the doj. >> sean: should know in a couple of weeks. >> should know in a couple of weeks. >> that's regarding the handling of the clinton email scandal. he is investigating deputy mccabe the fbi director. we know that senator grassley had made a criminal referral on christopher steele and that's going to be very important. >> sean: we have a lot more on tomorrow night's hannity. >> absolutely. >> sean: great job with cpac. thank you for having us. when we come back, more hannity and aen lot of football throwing. strength liquid gels.

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>> sean: all right, you have a good time. thank you for another great year. don't forget the president will

be here tomorrow and fox news will have live corning -- coverage we're not the destroy trump media and give you news and information you won't get elsewhere. let not your heart be troubled. sanding by in washington, laura ingraham. everybody say hi. >> laura: all right. >> sean: how are you? >> laura: i'm great and i'll be speaking shortly before the president tomorrow morning so tune in. welcome to the "the ingraham angle" from washington i'm laura ingraham stay here. the son of the president, eric trump is here to discuss the big stories making headlines including calls to investigate the obama administration and the push for new gun control. plus, a stunning new