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the document claims the fbi began spying on carter page before getting the memo. >> we wanted it out. we want it out because we think it is clear evidence that the democrats are not only trying to cover this up, but they are also colluding with part of the government to help cover this up. what you are not going to see is anything that actually rejects what was in our memo. arthel: we have fox news team coverage with ellison barber live at our washington bureau. >> democrats contradicted a key republican claim saying the controversial trump dossier did not start the investigation into

russian under force and possible russian lunges to the trump campaign. they say the investigation of carter page would have continued with or without the memo. and that the unis application and three renewals failed to mention hillary clinton and the dnc helped fund the dossier. investigators didn't get reporting from the does years author former british spy christopher steele until 2016. officials told the court about the quote assessed political motivation of those who hired steele.

the republican chair of the house untell jones committee says that's a problem. democrats say it's normal. >> it should scare people that you have a political party in this country saying don't worry, american public, it's okay. we do this all the time. we are going to dig up dirt on our opponent and we'll talk it to the fbi and up on an investigation into another campaign. >> because it's always been policy of the doj and fbi, if there is an american individual who is not under scrutiny to refer to them as u.s. person one and u.s. person two. the last false scandal devin nunes generated was whether there had been improper unmasking by susan rice and sam powers. reporter: the argument in the

democrats' memo is the fbi and the doj did not abuse their authority when they sought a fisa warrant on carter page. republicans do not agree. eric: president trump is denouncing the democratic memo. he says it verifies the republican claims. yesterday the president tweeted this. the democrat response on government abuse is a total political and legal bust. just confirms the things that were done. so illegal. raj shah also reacted to the memo this morning. >> two major points about being transparent with the judge and the degree to which they utilized this dossier, this phoney dossier. they were not able to rebut the point made in the nunes memo.

it doesn't undercut the serious questions raised by the nunes memo. eric: holly henneberg is live on the front lawn of the white house. >> adam schiff led the democrats' push to get the memo release. the president called schiff a quote bad guy. schiff says he's proud to be one of the president's bad hombres and claims the president us still annoyed with what happened to his son when he testified in front of the house untell jones committee. >> if witnesses refuse to answer questions and make bogus claims of privilege, we call them out on that. that's not at look, that's a

fact. it disclosed a privilege he asserted that doesn't apply. i'm not surprised the president doesn't like the and i'm not surprised the white house tried to bury this memo response as long as they could. reporter: congressman schiff says the memo makes it clear the fbi acted appropriately. president trump disagreed and said the democratic memo shows no evidence of collusion with russia during the 2016 election. county i will telpresident trumu that was as confirmation of the republican or nunes memo, it was referred to as a lot of things. that was nothing but a confirmation. a lot of bad things happened on the other side. not this side. and somebody should look into it. what they did is really fraudulent and somebody should be looking into that.

reporter: we are getting white house reaction to reports this morning that north korea told south korea that it wanted talks with the u.s. we are getting a statement from the white house press secretary about this north korea issue. it says we'll see if pyongyang's message today that it's willing to hold talks represents the first step to the denuclearization. in the meantime the united states and the world need to make clear north korea's missile and nuclear program is a dead end. eric: we'll ask john bolton about that. arthel: we continue on the memo. we go to robert ray, the former whitewater under counsel. what are the points included in this memo that most of

effectively support the democrats' argument? >> i come down on the side of the president being concerned about this. political charges and counter charges aside, the democrats through their memo try to make the point that there is at least partial corroboration of the christopher steele information in an effort to say there was no abuse of process here. but it still remains the question and the american people i think should be concerned about this. we have known and the american people have known for some time that politics and prosecution shouldn't mix. what i don't think we fully anticipated in this process and something people should be concerned about, not only is that true, but also politics and foreign counter untell jones also shouldn't mix and that is just as dangerous.

so that's the process the republicans are focused on and concerned about. >> you are saying the democrats memo that was released, 10 pages, does not support their argument, it's total weak areas, counterclaims to the gop memo. >> i don't know if i would go that far. but even if there is partial corroboration. look at it from a 60,000 foot view, one needs to be concerned about the fact that in the midst of a political campaign -- arthel: we are not looking at this from 60,000 feet above. we are look at a 10-pentagon memo, and i depend on you because around former whitewater under counsel and i think you have great expertise. help us dissect what's in the memo. if there is nothing in the memo that supports the democrats' argument, that's fine.

but walk us through it. >> the source of information that was being used at least in part to justify surveillance gathering, the identification of the ties with the democratic national committee and hillary clinton's campaign. to the extent that that was not clearly disclosed, which is the republicans' point and the democrats' rebuttal is that it wasn't unusual to be speak in terms of generic opposition party and so forth. the question is was that a sufficient disclosure to make it apparent. arthel: you tell me. you are the expert. >> i think it raises reasonable questions and i think we are becoming educated about this. the concern from the 60,000 foot view is abuse of process and understanding the dangers involved in using the

intelligence gathering processor the prosecutorial process. the tools of the justice department in order to be conducting surveillance in connection with what involves a political campaign. and people with mixed motivations in the political process about trying to gather untell jones against the other side. no matter what happened here. that's a very dangerous thing to play with. it's similar in kind to the notion in connection with the political process, very dangerous to be using prosecutorial tools in the midst of a presidential campaign. arthel: can americans trust the doj and fbi. >> i think that's why public scrutiny is appropriate here. both sides are weighing in. ultimately public sentiment and the american people will decide whether there was an abuse of process here. arthel: there is so much back and forth, the political bickering.

does it break down the public trust in crucial institutions meant on stabilize our government, our criminal justice system and our democracy? >> public scrutiny is note a bad thing. -- is note is not a bad thing. but the bigger picture to be focused on is to be concerned about abuse of process in connection with politics and foreign power untell jones. arthel: i understand that. we need experts like, we need our leaders and politicians, we need everyone to submit information that is not so laden with political bias. it feels like the american public is not getting the truth so they can't make a proper assessment. >> there is a process where they had to go to a court. the onus is also on the fisa court if they didn't get the

information to have further identification of this. there should be in the future more sophistication throughout the process to insure that everybody recognizes and understands the dangers presented by mixing politics with the foreign intelligence gathering process. those are serious tools to be used and necessary to protect the interest of the country. understand if you do so in the political process, there are real dangers presented by that. that's the position that they are presenting. put me down on the side of being concerned about this. arthel: both memos are out and we haven't learned anything new. >> i don't know if it's new. all i'm saying is i think it's a legitimate question contrary to the democrats contention to be concerned about this. arthel: i think we are all concerned for various reasons.

thanks for joining us. eric: molly henneberg just reported kim jong-un could be taking a step toward diplomacy. south korean officials were told that he could be open to talks. talks. president trump has warned of the possibility of military options if the new sanctions do not work. president trump: if the sanctions don't work we'll have to go phase two. and it maybe very rough thing, very unfortunate for the world. eric: john bolton joins us. a fox news contributor and

chairman of the gatesstone institution in new york. should we talk with them with no preconditions? >> i think it would be a complete waste of time. i think this is propaganda effort 378 after their participation in the olympics. they grace us with the possibility of talking to them. we have been through this so many times over the past 25 years, you would think the mainstream media would lose under. the administration is going to say we are willing to talk because it looks unreasonable particularly to naive people. but at least i have confidence this administration will change its policy. north korea can talk all it wants. i think the president is still committed to denuclearization. it gets tiresome to watch the

core north koreans play us like this. park * they pulled the wool over our eyes in the six-party talks. the white house said we'll see if their willingness to hold talks represents the first steps along the path to denuclearization. eric: ambassador, they are never going to give up their nuclear program. >> the president announced new sanctions friday. but the fact is, north korea is one of the world's biggest grifters. they get resources and support from everywhere. the government south korea

essentially paid for the cost of north korean participation in the olympics. that's one more source of subsidy. you can sanction 27 ships offloading or onloading oip at sea to be taken into north korean harbors. i think north korea is one of iran's partners. you can't be distracted by this smoke and mirrors effort. cia director mike pompeo said last month that north korea was within a handful of months, his phrase, a handful of months of being able to hit targets in the united states. how much talking with north korea do you think we can do that will make a difference. eric: you mentioned, there is a

plan to dough ploy the coast guard to uner detective ships with suspicious material. a naval blockade under international law is an act of war. do you think the deployment of the coast guard will succeed? >> in the bush administration we created the proliferation security initiative intended to interdict weapons and materials and weapons. mass destruction. but we are talking about the trade-in to north korea that helps sustain it. i think the threat that north korea poses with its nuclear weapons program is getting more and more to the point where it can be used against the united states and japan and other countries in the region. if we are not taking these two additional steps, we'll be left

with these alternatives. we are going to have to avoid the other alternative look at military force. we don't know what north korea's reaction will be. we found out what their retallation is. eric: finally there are other nations potentially part of this deployment. in 2010 they torpedoed a ship. and the u.s.s. pueblo it's part of the museum in pyongyang. they tortured and took one of our sailored was culled. they tortured and took them hostage. >> the south korean vessel that was taken.

and the general who took the ship was the head of the north korean delegation to the olympics. arthel: the democrats' rebuttal to the nunes memo goes public. they say it shows the department of justice and the fbi followed procedure. president trump doesn't see it that way. marjory stoneman douglas students set to return to school. >> 18-year-olds can have a gun that can kill multiple people within seconds.

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enforcement person period. that was former deputy scot peterson. reporter: we just heard a portion of the broward county sheriff's under view on cnn this morning. he was asked if he's going to take any responsibility for the red flags and calls into his office. he said he can only take responsibility for the things he knows. he says it is beyond his control that the resource officer became a quote deserter. this led to a fiery debate. republican state representative here in florida is demanding rick scott remove sheriff israel

from his post. representative hager tweeted out that there the call for sheriff scott israel to be removed due to his gross incompetence and inaction is growing. the sheriff released a letter he wrote to the governor in response to representative hager's demand for him to be removed. the sheriff said on the date shooting there was only one deputy on campus during the attack. he said the other deputies were here after the shooter fled. he said 16 of the 1 state calls were handled correctly, but two of the 18 are currently under investigation. i would like to give you a look at growing memorial as hundreds

of people continue to pour in to bring notes and balloons. today is the first time students will be invited back to campus beginning at 3:00 p.m. local time. there will be an orientation for students to ease themselves back into classes that will resume this week. the school district proposed to the state legislature that it would like to proceed with tearing down the building in which that shooting happened. and it proposed the funds to tear down and restore the building in which the shooting happened. arthel: the question is could this tragedy provide a path to common sense exclusions? what are the answers? coming up later. our panel will delve into how we might find the right balance between security and second amendment rights. eric: president trump

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information that was provided in the christopher steele unverified dossier, that that was not the impetus for the whole investigation. the memo says the fisa court wowz informed that politically entities funded steele's research. it made no mention anywhere at all about the dnc or hillary clinton. hear's intelligence committee chairman devin nunes. >> one of the things about the memos is they're all hot to talk about in a fo footnote they put in a complicated answer that was deceivdeceiving of the applicat. about that was politically motivated. wouldn't it have been a lot easier to say, mr. judge, wea want to let you know that the hillary clinton campaign and the democratic party paid a lawyer who hired a firm who hired a foreign agent to go to the

russians and get dirt on mr. trump. >> for more we're joined by president of judicial watch. adam schiff says the memo shows there's no unprofessional conduct by the obama administration. and they didn't mention hillary clinton or the dnc at all. do you think they're trying to pull one over on the judges . >> yeah. the nunes memo documents corruption targeting donald trump by the fbi, the justice department and frankly continuing into part of the trump administration within his own department of justice. and the schiff memo doesn't address that corruption. in fact it can't address that corruption. you have this democratic memo come out talking about the use of a democratic dossier paid for with democratic party money to spy on the democratic opponent by democratic administration. look, there's no way schiff can answer these charges. he's compromised as far as i'm concerned when he continues to

issue misleading reports about what went on. and to suggest that the court was fully apprised that the clinton campaign was behind an application to spy on a trump adviser. and they say well it was after he left the campaign so it wasn't spying on the trump campaign. once you're in, you're in. you can go back and get other documents and go back and listen to who's talking to the trump advisers in the future. we know it was used as early as july 2016 to target team trump. the corruption here is really something that hasn't been seen in recent american history. >> those are the allegations from republicans. but look, in this dossier it says right here on page one that the fbi assessed quarter page to be a quote agent of the russian government and they had a lot of surveillance, far beyond the steele dossier to try to target him pmplets i had that surveillance before the dossier.

why didn't they go to the court before then. the corner stone of the nunes document is without the dossier there would be no surveillance warrant of the trump team. the democrats don't answer that. andrew mccabe testified, according to the nunes memo with no dossier, no fisa warrant. this memo doesn't answer that. >> they say it was narrowly used. do you buy that? >> no, i don't buy it. there wouldn't have been an application without the dossier. pointing out that quarter page, who was a known quantity to the fbi, a cooperator with the fbi, all of the sudden needed to be targeted after years of being on the fbi's radar screen. the only coincidence that led to his targeting was the emergence of this dossier paid for with democratic party money and the clinton campaign. >> you just pointed to carter

page and that's an incredibly important point fpped ther. there are allegations that the obama administration really pulled the wool over the eyes of the fisa court when it dealt with carter page. let me show you what "the wall street journal" wrote about mr. page. he help pped bust up that russian spy ring here in the u.s. mr. page said he helped the u.s. federal investigators. at his june meeting with the u.s. counter intelligence agents, he discussed the political economy because it seemed to me that the resources of the federal government might be better allocated addressing real national security threats. in 2013, two russian officials, one at the u.n. and one undercover at the trade association are busted, page is cooperating as a cooperating witness, helps the u.s. government but none of that is in here. let me read to you a line from this democratic memo. quote, carter page, someone the

fbi assessed to be an agent of the russian government, doj detailed pages past relationships with the russian spies and interactions with russian officials during the 2016 campaign. the fisa applications also detail page's suspicious activity after going the trump campaign. it apparently doesn't say anything that he helped the u.s. government at one point. >> he was a cooperator with the fbi. an open book in terms of his communications with the russians and the fbi knew that. >> they paint him as a spy in the democratic memo. >> there's a nasty habit with the obama administration to paint people as spies as they did with james rosen, as they did with the associated press in their subpoenaed efforts, james rosen and the associated press pap and now carter page used a an excuse rather than a reason

to target the trump team. in the dossier was unsalacious unverified minimally corroborated material. and it showed that the russian intelligence was going through the clinton campaign to try to spread dirt about president trump or then candidate trump. and rather than protect him, they use it as a pretext to go to the fisa court. this material never should have been before the fisa court. and if we had known about the origins of this dossier a year or so ago, there would be no special counsel. and there might be a special counsel targeting the obama administration. this special counsel information, this is why the pushback is so strong. it goes to the heart of the special counsel investigation. no dossier, no special counsel. mr. mueller needs to explain why it is, he's still using this dossier to target president

trump. >> bernie sanders said he campaign went to the clinton folk to warn them about possible russian interference at the same time. >> they were working with the russians and hillary herself had gotten russian cash when she was secretary of state. that wasn't investigated by the fbi either. interesting. >> those are the allegations of critics and many are calling for an investigation of that. as always, thank you. arthel: americans take sides on gun laws in the wake of the florida school massacre. what is the solution to school safety. one topic everyone agrees on. our panel takes on the issue. first, here's florida governor rick scott. >> we have to make sure our schools are safe. law enforcement. we've got to deal with the fact that there are people out there with mental illness issues that shouldn't have access to a gun.

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arthel: the school safety is a hot but top issue across the country as more details emerge about the stoneman douglas high school shooting that left 17 people dead. the tragedy sparking a gun control movement with many of the teenage survivors and their parents calling for increased regulationsing on guns. but president trump says one solution to the problem is arming teachers. >> we have teachers that are marines for 20 years, twhai retire and become a teacher. and they're army, navy, air force, coast guard, people that have won shooting contests. contests. this is what they do. they know guns and understand guns. i think a concealed permit for having teachers and letting people know there are people in the building with gun. in my opinion you won't have these shootings because these people are cowards. >> our panel now, ab ann is an

nra tv contributor and form ir nypd officer. and avery, i'll start with you. the president is now saying it's up to states to arm teachers. one, is arming teachers a good idea and two, is the president being firm on guidance regarding new policy consideration and recommendations . >> you know, arming teachers is not a good solution to the gun violence problem in america ap eni said this as a parent. when i children go to school, i want them to be safe there. i don't think arming teachers is the way to do that. a and i want my kids to be safe when they go to the movies and the shopping malls and i want my kids to be safe when they go to church and concerts. so i think we need a solution here that does protect schools for sure but also makes sure that we make it more difficult for people who are dangerously mentally ill or otherwise aing dangerous to get access to guns. arthel: the president is calling

for more stringent background checks for gun purchases. florida governor rick scott wants to strengthen rules to keep the guns out of the hands of mentally ill people or those with domestic issues. and increase the league age to anyone to buy a gun to 21. is this the right template for all governor to follow? >> we all agree we want to keep firearms out of the people who -- the overwhelming people who have a severe mental illness are not violent. we want to keep the guns out of the hands of those who are violent. i have kids but i speak as a former secret service agent who did this for the president of the united states. why are roar kid are our kids bg different. we protect our money and banks with firearms, our president,

aldermen and mayors. why are the kids being treated to second class security and a lot of flowery talking points. the only thing that's going to stop a bad guy with a gun is someone trained to use a firearm in response. arthel: would you agree that perhaps training teacher to use firearms is also part of a good solution? >> strictly on a voluntary basis. i would not want anyone in possession of a firearm who's not comfortable and willing to train with it. but if they're willing and able, absolutely. >> there's a recent quinnipiac poll asking which political party do you think can do a better job of handling gun violence. democrats saying 552%, gop get the 31% nod and 10% no difference. avery, going back to you now, will politicians wait to see the outcome of the midterms before

they decide how or if they'll proceed with gun policy changes? >> they will not because the american public is not going to allow that to happen. you know what the president said at cpac, actually i agree with a lot of it. he said we need to strengthen up the background check system. me is right. today one in five gowns is sold without a background check at all. that needs to stop. we've made it too easy for those who are dangerous to get guns. and i don't think the american people are going to wait until the midterm elections to wait on these solutions that are supported by the vast majority of americans, both democrats and republicans. arthel: the president is calling for stricter background checks dan, let me get an answer from you. where do we go from here? >> well, the background checks system we have now is not working because states aren't inputting the data. fix the system we have now first. and avery's comment about guns is just not accurate.

gun ownership is up dramatically in the united states. gun violence and violent crime is down. that's a statistical fact that's undisputable. saying otherwise is not accurate. arthel: i'll leave it there. thank you both of you for coming on to present your perspective on this very important issue. thank you very much. eric: there's another controversial issue brewing, and that is immigration. while the debate on capitol hill is stalled, hear what the president said, if you pull immigration from the california. what does it mean if he does that? we'll have the impact next. this. is. lobsterfest. at red lobster with exciting new dishes like dueling lobster tails and lobster truffle mac & cheese. classics like lobster lover's dream are here too. so enjoy these 10 lobsterlicious dishes while you can because lobsterfest won't last.

eric: president trump threatens to pull immigration officials out of the california. and that prompted california senator diane fine stein to tweet this quote, the president's obsession with california is growing more outvai yous by the day. his attacks are mean spirited and patently false. a retired u.s. marshal joins us, worked a lot with the department of homeland security and i.c.e. on immigration issues. tommy, is the president, do you think, being mean spirited with

this threat or does it have a basis in fact? >> no, he's not being mean spirited. 2 is years i spent with i.c.e. lockeddelocked up 21,000 aliens. there's no difference in how we tweet california, new york, texas. we have 26 field offices that we go after illegal aliens and criminals. the primary target of those enforcement operations. eric: what does it mean if the i.c.e. agents were pulled? >> it would have the opposite effect. california sheriffs and police chiefs would be inendated. if there's none no california, i would go to california. and i'm share. eric: and do you think the president was actually really serious in this or is he trying to make a point? >> i'm not into the president's

staff. but his immigration policies are outstanding. thomas holman, the director of i.c.e. is enforcing the policies. it's the law. if congress doesn't like us enforcing the law, change the law. other than that we're going to lock them up every day. eric: sorry we're short because of all of the breaking news but we'll get you back and see if the president is good on his threat or see what happens. thank you and thank you for your service to our nation. arthel: that does it for us. eric: but we're not done. you get more of us at 4 p.m. eastern. we'll have the latest developmenter here on the fox news channel. okay folks! let's team up to get the lady of the house back on her feet. and help her feel more strength and energy

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