tv The Greg Gutfeld Show FOX News February 25, 2018 2:00pm-3:00pm PST
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that is difference on this lovely sunday. nice to work with you mr. eric shawn. >> of course. we will see you next weekend. thank you for spending your time with us. have a good rest of your day. gop plans and grieving participants and students push school safety to the top of the nation's agenda. ♪ >> how many schools, how many children have to get shot? >> we have nothing to lose, the only thing we have to gain at this point is our safety. chris: in the wake of florida school massacre, students confront lawmakers, walk out in protest and take their calls all the way to the white house. >> i want to listen and then after i listen we are going to get things done. chris: we will discuss what's next with florida governor rick scott who just announced his plan to improve school safety. >> i have broken my action plan down to three sections.
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chris: fox news sunday exclusive then we will talk to two members from the parkland community whose live changed for -- for the mass shooting. >> i'm pissed because my daughter i will not see again. chris: student delanie who is mobilizing for change with other survivors. plus debate over the trump-russia investigation intensifies with release of the democratic rebuttal to the controversial house republican memo. , we will sit down with congressman, number two democrat in house intelligence committee. and our power player of the week, a dinosaur hunter makes an amazing find all right now on fox news sunday. ♪ ♪ chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. lawmakers here in the in addition's capitol in state
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houses across the country are grappling on how to keep students safe after stoneman douglas high school. we will speak to an degree -- andrew and dela initiation e and what they are asking of the nation's leader. first, i sat down earlier with florida's governor rick scott to discuss package to prevent school violence. governor scott, welcome brack to fox news sunday. >> great to be here. thanks for what you do. chris: thank you. let's start with outline of the plan you've just announced, raise the age to buy all guns to 21, ban sale of bump stocks, pass a red flag law that will let families or authority goes to courts an take guns away from mentally ill or violent people, $450 million to harden schools including law enforcement in every school, $50 million for
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mental health. briefly, what's the thinking behind what you decided to do and what you decided not to do? >> chris, what i did was i listened to a lot of people, law enforcement, educators, mental health, students, parents and said, what's going to fix this problem, right, one we have to make sure schools are safe, law enforcement, hardened the schools, we've got to make sure we deal with the fact that there are people out there that have mental illness issues, they shouldn't have access to a gun, if you threaten people or yourself you shouldn't have access to a gun. so everything i'm doing is how do you solve the problem on a business -- i'm a business person and how confident are you that florida. >> in the last two sessions i have been talking to house and senate, actually spoke to them this morning, i'm going to work
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every day between now and in the end of session on one purpose, get this passed. make sure we get the funding, make sure we have the law enforcement, the mental health issues, make sure people are not going to have access to a gun, i'm going to make sure parents feel comfortable sending their child to school. chris: during your eight years as governor, you have gotten an a-plus rating from the nra, but in this package you have broken with them on a few things, raising the age to buy rifles from 18 to 21, the red flag law, why? >> you know i'm an nra member, i believe in second amendment, i believe in the first amendment, all the amendments. i think most members in the nra agree with me this is logical, i'm sure there's some that disagree but i'm a dad, i'm a grand dad and i'm a governor, i have my state to be safe.
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i want my child in a safe environment when they are trying to be educated. chris: you've been a hardliner for the nra and gun rights, there's a reason they gave you an a plus, back in 2011 you signed something the low which prohibited doctors from asking patients whether or not they had give ups in 2016 after the terrible mass shooting at the orlando pulse nightclub and second amendment doesn't kill people, people kill people and in last april here is you in talking to the nra, here you are. >> we need a majority that have the capacity to comprehend these three words in the constitution, shall not infringe. [applause] chris: to a degree that you now want to limit some gun rights, some would say that you want to infringe, governor, were you wrong back then? >> no.
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here -- here is what you have to do in this chapter, you have to weigh individual rights which i clearly believe in. i believe in the second amendment, but you also have to make sure you protect your citizens, your kids and so you've got to wage these things. what i did hear is i'm going to do what i can to make sure that guns are not in the hands of the wrong people. if you have mental illness, you shouldn't have a gun. you threaten others, if you threaten yourself, you shouldn't have a gun so i'm going to do everything i can at the same time hardened our schools and make sure we share information. that's one of the issues we deal with. we have to share information when we know somebody has mental problems, all the agencies, state agencies have to share information. chris: one of the things that you're not i think to that many parkland students want is you're not banning assault weapons, why not? >> well, i'm not into banning,
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you know, specific weapons, i think what you need to do is ban specific people from having weapons. focus on the problem. we've got to focus on solutions that work, banning the people that are going to potentially cause the problems, so it's all these things together but i'm against people that are going to potentially cause the harm and we know they are. there are so many -- look at what's common, these people are talking about what they are doing, they are threatening others. this individual, look at all the problems he had an it wasn't stopped. chris: yeah, i'm going to pick up on the lapses and that's a big part of the problem at least in this particular case but i want to focus on the guns one more time. look at these mass shootings in just a little over the last two years, december 2015, san bernardino, 14 dead. june 2016, orlando, 49 dead. october 2017, las vegas, 58 dead.
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november 2017, southerland springs, texas, 26 dead. now parkland, 17 dead. i understand it's the person who fire it is weapon. as you say it's evil but don't these assault weapons allow an abled person to kill more people more quickly? >> you know, when you think about any of these things, i went through pulse, we had the airport shooting over a year ago and now we have this. i mean, your heart goes out to everybody that's been impacted. so you to weigh our constitutional rights which i believe in against public safety, so and that's what i'm trying to do with this. that's why it's just one thing, i listen, i listened to law enforcement, i brought them up, i listened to educators, i listened to mental health people and i talked to students and parents, i believe what we are doing will -- i believe it will stop this from happening. that's my goal. i want to do everything i can in my job right now to make sure
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this doesn't happen again. chris: president trump wants to train and pay teachers to patrol the schools and if there's a shooter, to take them on. here he is. >> and the teacher would have shot the hell out of him before he knew what happened. [cheers and applause] chris: he's talking about that a lot. you oppose arming teachers. >> i believe you have to focus on people that are well-trained, law enforcement that are trained to do this, i want to make sure we have significant law enforcement presence on top of hardening the schools, metal detectors, bullet proof glass, better perimeter, fencing, all these things and the other thing is i want to give our sheriff's department in each county the authority to do, create the program on a per school basis in that participants can feel comfortable that their child is going to a safe school. chris: why not if there's a teacher, not every teacher, only teachers that are trained and volunteer, but if there's a
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teacher in the classroom and the shooter doesn't know where the teacher is, why not? >> i want our teachers to teach and i want our law enforcement officers to be able to protect the students. i want each group to focus on what they are good at. chris: as you mentioned, there were a number of security lapses in this particular case, last month, someone called the fbi tip line and said this, i know he, the shooter, is going to explode. in november, the woman whose home the shooter was staying in called palm beach sheriff's department, the 911 number. and gave this warning. >> i cannot have him in the premise. he put the gun on the head and it's not the first time. he did that to his mom. chris: reportedly several of the broward county deputies failed to get into the school while the
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attack is going on, what are you going to do about that? >> first of off, can you imagine being a parent and lost a loved one and know that all these failures, we have to have accountability in the country. what happened? tell us. we can have after, who was called, what was their process, give us the facts, hold people accountable, the local sheriff's department, they have to be transparent. we have to do thorough investigation and whoever didn't do their job has to be held accountable. i talked to law enforcement around the state, there's no one i talked to that is not disgusted that the local sheriff's deputy that was there did not go in and kill that individual. chris: governor, if the florida legislature passes your entire packet, if congress pass everything that president trump is talking about, what can you say to the young people, the
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students who are watching you right now, will they be safe? >> i'm going to do everything that i can, remember, i'm a father, i'm a grandfather and the first thing that i said when it happened, i called each of my daughters and i said unfortunately in your lifetime you will have to teach your children how to deal with an active shooter, that's unfortunate but we have to do that, we are going to do everything we can but each one of us is going to have to be prepared. chris: governor scott, thank you, thanks for coming in and we will obviously be following how your package goes in the florida legislature. >> thanks, chris. chris: coming up, we will speak with two members to have parkland community who lived through the school massacre and are now calling on lawmakers to make sure a tragedy like this never happens again heartburn. no one burns on my watch! try alka seltzer ultra strength heartburn relief chews. with more acid-fighting power than tums chewy bites. mmmmm...amazing. i have heartburn.
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chris: one of the big differences between previous mass shootings and the tragedy in parkland florida has been the active response and eloquence of the survivors and the victims' families, students like senior delanie tarr. >> the only reason we have gotten so far is we are not afraid of losing money and we are not afraid of getting reelected or not getting reelected. we have nothing to lose, the only thing we have to gain at this point is our safety. chris: and parents like andrew polick who lost his daughter meda. >> should have been one school shooting and we should have fixed it. and i'm pissed because my daughter i'm not going to see again. she's not here. she's not here. chris: delanie and andrew joined
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us now from coral springs, florida, and i want to say at the start how sorry we are for your loss and what you had to go through. andrew, when you were at the white house, at the. >> vau emotional moment you said, after 9/11 we fixed the situation, we made it harder for people to get on the planes with guns, when you hear what governor scott just said, when you hear what president trump is saying, would that fix the problem? >> it's not going to be fixed because i heard what you said, what you are focusing on, polarizing this event, the murder of these kids, you're talking about gun control. i just had to listen to you and governor scott talk about gun control. gun control is a big issue, no one in america is going to come together on gun control, chris, we are here, you didn't say one thing about fixing it. the american people we could get together on school safety but when you polarize it, this event
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and every other media, we don't care about gun control right now, that's a big issue in the country and you're not going to get everyone together on it, but we are going to get everyone on it on fixing our schools and i just listened to you, so i just listened to you, you didn't talk, you didn't mention one question to governor scott about what are we going to do about security for our children, how are we going to do that but you are just talking about gun control which is going to just give you more ratings and every other media, my daughter is dead, i want to know, our kids are going to school in kentucky on monday, how are those kids safe, how about bringing that up to the media, how about bringing that up to governor scott, not about guns? today it's not about guns but about the safety in our schools and that's what you asked governor scott about and i listened to that at my house. my kid -- my kid is not here because the schools weren't safe. that's the main thing.
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you go into a courthouse, the judge is safe, the stenographer is safe. the american people, we just want schools safe, we don't want to talk about schools right now. chris: let me bring in delanie and i respect what you have to say, sir. delanie, your thoughts what you're hearing from the governor and president which is about a lot more than guns, guns is part of it but they are also talking about hardening schools, about arming teachers, your thoughts, what you're hearing? >> it is -- it's very multidimensional issue and he does -- andrew did say this is about school safety and personally i think that there is also an issue with the fact that he was able to access this weapon, this gun. i personally do not believe that arming teachers is a solution, i know many people, marco rubio, rick scott do not believe that
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arming teachers is a solution here but there are many issues that need to be addressed. chris: what do you think delanie, the issues that need to be addressed? >> i absolutely believe that we need to address the failures that have created a situation like this, horrible situation like this. all of the things that have failed us, all of the system that is have failed us, i do think that we need to improve school safety, improving our officers on -- i also believe that we need to make it harder for people to access guns when they are not mentally stable, when they are young, when they are not in a place where they should be owning a weapon like. chris: andrew, i want to go back and i understand your strong feelings, but isn't this issue of mental health and trying to make sure that sick people don't have access to guns, isn't that part of the problem? >> okay, but was that -- was that a big issue when we were protecting airports? was that a big issue?
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i'm not saying it's not an issue, chris, but when we were protecting federal buildings, is that a big issue? we have our children in these classes. that's issues, that could be worked out. but right now the country just wants to come together and make our schools safe for our kids. there's no other issues than kids going to class and not thinking about some monster is going the stalk them in the hallway. that's what we need to focus on and we could all come together as americans instead of other issues and those other issues, i agree with you, there are other issues there but the main issue right now is fixing the schools. chris: so let's talk specifically about that, sir, when you say fix the schools, you compared it to airports, are you saying school security, id checks, you tell me what it is that you would like to see? >> i think that i'm not an expert in it but i think we need to hire the experts and check every school individually and make sure they are safe for the children, you know, there's a
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serious problem. like i said, the new norm has to be our kids are safe in the school. this can't happen again, i can't let it happen to another kid in another state. right now governor scott, governor scott is doing what he had to do but he also had to go visit the parents of dead kids for two weeks. i'm on right now today because i want to tell every governor in every other state they need to be proactive right now, they need to get a bill in place and we are going to put all america together and work with these governors to protect our schools. we can't have another shooting in this country. i can't live with it and this has to stop with parkland and my daughter's death, it can't be in vain, it has to be the last one. chris: andrew, what do you think about the teacher issue, and i know this must be incredibly painful and now we hear stories
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that there were police on the scene and they didn't go in at least three sheriffs deputies and didn't go in. >> one deputy that worked there, peterson, he worked there and he's a coward. he stood by the door, i know it's a fact. he could have made it to the third floor and saved all six victims if he wasn't some little -- i can't even -- words can't even describe the way i think about it but i'm not trying to think about that stuff because that's just negative and i am going -- it's going to make me toxic but i want to get the words to the governors of every state that they have to do something now, today get together, they could call me, i have other dead parents here, we all want to help them and let's make the schools safe. chris: delaney when you hear that, and it's not just the sheriffs or the deputies that
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didn't come in but -- >> a bunch of -- a lot of failures, chris, that needs to be -- it's a lot of incompetence all around. i could write you a book about all of the incompetence that happened at the school but that's -- that's not going to fix or bring any of our dead kids back, i just don't want anymore dead kids and all that stuff is going to come out and i don't want to focus on that. i'm on with you, chris, today to tell the american people that are messaging me what we need to do fix it in every other school, make it the new norm, we have to have met al detectors, it has to be like a courthouse, federal building, like an airport, that's how we need our schools. chris: delaney, you go back to school this week. how are you feeling about that? >> it's -- it's very daunting to imagine going back to a place that just two weeks prior held such horrors and it's scary
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because i don't know if i'm going to be safe there, but i know that i have to. i know that now more than ever i am proud of who i am and i feel like i need the sense of normalcy because in all of this it's like i can't be a high schooler anymore and i want to be a high school senior again and it's hard to even doing that at this point. chris: andrew, when we heard you at the president's listening session and i speak as parent and grandparent, my heart broke for you and a lot of people around the country, how are you doing, sir? >> it's rough. i have my moments, you know. it's like a wave, it comes -- a wave of emotions but i have this fiery fire inside of me that's driving, that i can't explain it. i could walk-through flames right now. there's nothing i can't do and i just want to get the word out to everybody in this country that
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it could happen to you, i'm real, i'm a real guy, i grew up in long island, i didn't -- i never thought this could happen and it didn't happen, there are parents here that came to support me today, this young lady has to live with it, it stops, you know. it's an easy fix, chris, you know, you just need some competent people to get together and put the right plan in place and make it so the kids are safe. that's all -- you know, they have to be safe in school. chris: andrew, delaney, thank you both for sharing stories. our hearts go out to you but more important we are going stay in the story, i promise you andrew, i understand it's not just a gun control issue and we are going to do everything that we can to make your -- our schools safer and you are both welcome back any time as part of that effort, thank you both. >> thanks, chris. >> thank you. chris: up next we will bring in our sunday group to discuss the push to respond to another mass
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>> chris murphy, nancy pelosi and more cheered on the national media and call out for even more government control. >> many in legacy media love mass shootings. [applause] >> you guys love it. chris: nra officials wayne lapierre and dana loesch going a media and now time for sunday group. gop strategists karl rove, reporter jonathan swan, former democratic congressman dona edwards and kimerly strassel of the wall street journal. kim, you didn't go nearly as far as nra folks but you wrote a pretty tough column. i want to put some of it up.
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age limits and gun restrictions aren't an answer, they are a side show, do you agree with what we just heard from andrew pollack, that that's not the focus and it has to be on keeping schools safe, hardening them like airports? >> i think we are having problem after this because we are finally talking about the things that actually really matter and they are one protecting vulnerable communities. it is no accident that these shooters go to places that are gun-free zones because they know they'll be the only bad person with a weapon and no one there to stop them and, two, mental health, particularly those with severe mental illness and how we both have to get treatment for these people, help them overall but make sure that they do not have easy access to guns and these have been the failings that have been consistent in nearly every one of these events. chris: congresswoman edwards, kim writes in her column that raising age limits, banning weapons are empty gesture, do you agree with her? >> well, i mean, i think clearly
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somebody is 19 or 21 who has diagnosed mental illness that presents a danger will not be stopped from buying a gun but what we have the difference in mass shootings is somebody who shows up who has a weapon that's turn intoed an automatic weapon changes that place, kills more people and so i think we do have to reinstate the assault weapon's ban, i think that we do have to make sure that people who are prohibited really have prohibited and can't slip through and get a weapon anyway and so these are things that are common sense measures that most americans support and the nra as proven last week is completely out of step with the vast majority of the american people. >> no one has used an automatic weapon. >> they have converted semiautomatic weapons to make them effectively automatic. >> bump stock. >> ar-15 with a bump stock, with a magazine clip that, you know, fires rapid speed and more
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ammunition, turns that into much more dangerous -- chris: part of what he's saying which actually is an argument, you can argue whether he's right or wrong is you're going to have that argument, you and kim are going to disagree, people in congress are going to disagree and let's be honest, we are not going to ban assault weapons any time soon and he's saying let's do what we can agree on which is harden schools, make them like airports, metal detectors, security guards, all of that. >> we can turn schools like prisons and still not going to keep able to go to get a weapon that they could ordinarily get across a counter in some other way from turning those weapons into weapons of war in our schools and our shopping malls and our churches and we have seen this over and over again and in the nra wants to use money to stand in the way of sensible gun legislation, they
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can do that, but i think these children have demonstrated, the young people have demonstrated last week that that is no longer acceptable. chris: kim, and i want to bring the gentleman in. >> we need to be talking about mental illness. these people are getting -- what chris just said matters so much, you know and i know, both know who one is reinstating an assault weapons, we can spend two years fighting about that or we can actually do something proactive in the schools and in other vulnerable communities, churches, no accidents, these are the place that is the targeters go out and go after. chris: karl, we have seen all this way too many times and we almost know the script before it happens, there's a mass -- massacre and debate and nothing happens. president trump said this time it'll be different. take a look. >> we are talking about common sense and it's a great thing.
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and the nra will back it, i really feel confident. the nra and so will congress. chris: is the president right? >> it feels like because the focus while we've had the traditional debate that we've had about weapons and guns, this debate as mr. pollcak so powerfully put it is keeping our schools safe, look, think about this, we had so many failures of our local law enforcement, 39 times this kid was -- the police were called about this kid. we had 911 warnings about mental state and social media postings. the system failed. we had an armed guard at the station at the school who stood outside for four minutes while shots rang inside. we had him joined by at least three other deputies who stood outside while shots ranged out and people were killed. the fbi received on its --
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chris: what's the answer? >> the answer is take a look at every one of those failures of those systems and fix them. this bill by senator cornyn, bipartisan effort to fix the problem in federal registry. she was the one charged with after the shooting in southernland springs, texas, with fixing the problem of the federal government having 7,000 air force personnel, i believe the number was, who should not have had weapons who were not in the database that would have kept them from getting weapons. i think mr. pollack has hit it. i had breakfast with my granddaughter in frisco, texas, it is routine for teachers to lock the doors in the classroom. i can't remember when i went to high school. i cannot but that's the world in which we live and we have to look at these places and say, what can we do to limit the number of access points, to
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increase the security and to make it less likely that if somebody attempts this kind of act can be stopped. chris: jonathan, what are you hearing at the white house, how hard is he prepare today push the package that we are hearing about, some which involves guns and some which don't involve guns and is it realistic that he will bring republican leaders who have killed gun legislation and a lot of the issues before and the nra along because there are some issues here like the red flag law, raising the age that are going to be tough for the nra to swallow. >> well, the few issues that he's hung up on is rising the age limit. he's page -- passionate about that. immediately after tragedy, kids can't be allowed to have guns, he kept saying that. and then finally he put a number around it. if you're under 21 you shouldn't own a gun. i don't see that flying through
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congress. i've been getting text messages pointing to interview last night with pirro, judge jeanine, the cornyn bill, fixing the national instant background check, that's going to be like you're not the easiest thing in the world. i think they can get it through, the problem is people will want to turn this into a christmas tree that want to attach every little thing that they have been wanting in terms of gun control and that's the way you kill bill. if they keep it narrow and focused, they can get something done there but the school safety issues seems to be the one that culturally trump is most passionate about and he's probably in the best position to change -- chris: even on that issue, jonathan, well, one is a state issue and also the idea of the teachers, even governor scott is against that. >> look, you have to put it in the right framework, if you're talking about forcing or requiring teachers to do something like that.
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that's not going fly. look, we know that probably the most law abiding people are the ones who had concealed permits, they had to go through training, certainly some teachers, quite a few probably who have concealed carrying permits, if they want to be more protected in the classrooms, should we tell them no? might be give them a flash bang or something, if someone runs in they have an opportunity to protect the kids. those are the debates we neat to be having. >> we don't have enough money to put firearms in schools, what we need to do is make sure that our children are safe by making sure that people who have mental illnesses who are otherwise prohibited should not be able to get a weapon and take these weapons of war off the streets. chris: all right, we have to break away here. i want to say as i listen to you i'm discouraged because the same divisions that had stopped progress in the past, i'm worried that maybe it's going to stop it again.
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>> be more optimistic. >> young people. chris: i have to say they have been the one silver lining of the whole thing, the students, thank you, panel, see you next sunday. democrats counter memo on alleged surveillance abuse is now public, we will see with the key member of house intelligence committee next. (vo) make her day with just one touch. with fancy feast creamy delights, she can have just the right touch of real milk. easily digestible, it makes her favorite entrées even more delightful. fancy feast creamy delights. love is in the details. morning on the beach until... it... wasn't. don't let type 2 diabetes get between you and your heart.
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chris: breaking now the democratic rebuttal to the republican memo that alleged the fbi and justice department abused powers to surveil a former trump campaign official. joining us now from connecticut congressman jim, number two democrat on the house intelligence committee. congressman, the republican memo says that the fbi and the
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justice department based their application to the fisa court to surveil that trump campaign adviser carter page based on the so-called steele dossier. in the memo the democratic memo you say that's not true, explain. >> yeah, chris, thanks for having me on. it is a democratic memo now make s plain, the application to monitor carter page was not based on the steele information and if we have time we will cover whether the steele has been discredited. but as our memo makes clear, carter page was of interest because of connections to russians for years before 2016, october 2016, he had all sorts of contact, he had been with the russians, he had been interviewed by the fbi, there's a long history of which the dossier is a small part of that
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application to the republican judges for a warrant. chris: but let me pick up on that because in the gop memo that was put out by the majority, devin nunes, i'm going to put up the quote, deputy fbi director mccabe testified before the committee in december 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the fisc without the steele dossier information. congressman, no where in your memo do you and the other democrats rebut that. >> that is true, but i was in the room, devin nunes was not in the room when andrew mccabe was interviewed and i will tell you that he did not say that, he did not say that a fisa warrant would have been requested but for the steele. chris: why didn't you put that in the memo? >> well, because the transcript of our conversation with andrew mccabe was classified and the democratic memo, this is
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important, chris, the democratic memo unlike the republican memo contained no additional classified information that was made -- that was made public. so, again, i was in the room, andrew mccabe did not say that the fisa warrant would not have been sought. what he did say that the warrant of the application itself which, of course, went through all sort of scrutiny and scrutinized by the republican federal judge that all of its pieces were important, but he absolutely did not say that they would not have been filed had it not been for dossier information. chris: i want to follow up on the steel xp -- steele dossier, one of the main complaints is that it never informed the court, when it sought the warrant to monitor carter page, never informed that the dossier had been paid for clinton campaign and national democratic committee. you in writing the memo, i saw you collectively, quote this from the application for the
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warrant. the fbi speculates that the u.s. person, glen simpson of fusion gps was likely looking for information that would have discredited candidate number one, donald trump's campaign, speculates likely, shouldn't the fbi had been a lot clearer to the court that the steele was bought and paid for by the clinton campaign? >> well, remember when steele is doing this work, he doesn't know the fact. he's been hired by fusion gps, hired by a law firm which has bn hired by the dnc and clinton campaign. you can read and the american public can read what was shown to the judge, the individual who did this work was acting in a way that was design today find dirt, not the exact word but design today find work on donald trump was being paid so why didn't the fbi in the fisa
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application name clinton dnc and fusion gps? it's a great question, chris, because it's always been policy of doj and fbi when you are doing these things if there's an individual, an american individual who is not under scrutiny to refer to u.s. person one and u.s. person two and i remind you that the last false scandal ta devin nunes generated whether there had been unproper masking by susan rice and powell and now the republicans are saying well, they didn't specifically name clinton and dnc, well, that, of course, is a policy that fbi and doj has observed forever on the applications. not to name u.s. citizen. chris: here is the reaction of republican chair devin nunes. >> they are advocating that it's okay for the fbi and doj to use political dirt paid for by one campaign and use it against the
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other campaign. and i don't care who you are, republican, democrat or independent, in the united states of america, that is unacceptable. chris: doesn't nunes have a point, sir? >> no, he doesn't and furthermore he has no credibility. we know devin of the midnight run where he goes to the white house to get information to suggest that there had been wiretapping of donald trump, we know that's not true. i refer to unmasking scandal which turns out not to be true. now it turns out that the fbi used as part of much larger fisa application some information that it received from christopher steele, highly-trusted source. chris: wait, at a point james comey testified that the steele dossier was unverified and solicitous, was it reliable or unverified and solicitous? >> well, remember, unverified does not mean unreliable. unverified means that the fbi
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hasn't been able to do all of their work to determine what is true and what is not true, that's the nature of raw intelligence. chris, i'm glad you bring up jim comey because the premise of devin's campaign here that fbi and doj were biased against donald trump. chris, let's take a big step back here. in the campaign itself and now we know because you can read it in democratic memo, while there was an fbi investigation of the trump campaign and multiple individuals in the trump campaign, you do not hear a word from the fbi about that very serious investigation about the possibility of russian collusion with the campaign but you hear jim comey time and again out there saying, we are investigating hillary clinton, now we are not investigating hillary clinton now we are back to investigating hillary clinton. a lot of people believe that jim comey's actions may have prevented hillary clinton from becoming president of the united states, but devin's contention is that the fbi and doj are actually biased against donald trump. i have to tell you if there was any bias between fbi and doj,
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they had a very weird way of showing it during the campaign itself. chris: well, here you're getting to the bottom line because for all the talk about dueling memos which are confusing a lot of people and the surveillance of carter page, most people want to know one thing, is there hard evidence that donald trump and/or his campaign colluded with the russians to interfere with the 2016 election. as you said here, the number two democrat in house intel committee, do you have any evidence of that or not? what we know and i'm not going to preview any of the investigations are going to do, what we know is that two of trump campaign foreign policy advisers have either pled guilty or been indicted and the national security of donald trump has pled guilty to lying about contacts with russia, we know that those contacts exist, we know that georgia papadopoulos had conversations, carter page -- chris: there's no evidence in any of that at least
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so far that there was collusion. >> well, it depends on how you define collusion. when george papadopoulos hears about somebody associated with the russians, when donald trump, jr. invites russians into his office in order to get dirt on the clinton campaign, chris, you tell me if that crosses your threshold for collusion but that's hardly -- chris: no, it doesn't. i mean, you can say that there were conversations but that doesn't indicate that there was conspiracy by trump campaign and kremlin to interfere, there were contacts but certainly -- are you basing it on that? >> well, again, i'm not jumping to conclusions as to what the investigations that are not finished yet are going to show. i'm just going to tell you if nothing else if the president of the united states' son, boy, i want to get dirt during hillary clinton and can't wait to
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release it in summer when it will do maximum damage, this is not the investigation, this is donald trump, jr., admitting to this meeting when you have 20 indictments, some of which are most are russian related, let's just say without trying to prejudice where this investigation is going to go, it's -- you can't say that there's absolutely no there there, there were multiple contacts, there was a desire to get information. there's more yet to be done here, chris. chris: congressman, thank you, thanks for your time. let's continue the conversation, we will stand on top of where your commit yes goes from here. >> thank you very much, chris. chris: next up our power player of the week, how one man's hobby led to discovery one hundred years in the diabetes can be a daily struggle, even if you're trying your best. along with diet and exercise, once-daily toujeo may help you control your blood sugar. get into a daily groove. ♪let's groove tonight. ♪share the spice of life.
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chris: dinosaurs, space flight, a time machine, this story . chris: dinosaur, a time machine the story has it all. is it the blockbuster movie? no. it's our power player of the week. >> it was almost unbelievable. i couldn't sleep tonight and it's like you are into the twilight zone and you can't believe what you've seen n the summer of2 after having lunch with his wife sheila who worked at the daughterred space flight center. >> i spotted a smooth light
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brown rock sticking out and it looked like the kind of material that we sometime find tracks in. chris: when he says tracks, stanford is talking about dinosaur tracks. >> then it dawn today me, this is goddard space flight center. 110 billion years ago. there was a wonderful paradox. [laughter] chris: stanford's excitement is understandable because he's been hunting dinosaur fossils and tracks for the last quarter century and made hundreds of finds. >> this is a mammal footprint. chris: one in smithonian. >> had ever been found in the whole world. chris: but there was a problem with latest discovery. the goddard center was putting a new building there so they
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excavated the stone and that's when the excitement really started. >> the first find with the baby walking right across it. ris chris this is the big dinosaur and this is the baby. >> that's the baby of the same species. >> some here, mammal tracks here. working across here. chris: they are here fracking the mammals? >> certainly would appear. they are walking so slowly. chris: how do you know they are walking slowly? >> they are so closely. >> they are creeping. chris: fossils show how the animals died but track show how they lived. >> i was looking into a time machine, looking down as they do
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mammals, it sure affected me that way. chris: stanford's find was announced in january, he calls a snapshot before more animals had to cover the tracks. >> i suspect the flood came after, a flood came and covered it and preserved it. chris: so washington really was a swamp? >> oh, indeed. it's been a swamp for over 110 million years. chris: stanford will keep looking for signs of dinosaurs but he knows where this discovery ranks. >> if anybody tells me i'm going to find anything more interesting or important than that, i will tell them that they're probably crazy. it's like hitting the jackpot. not monetary wise but in the wonderful satisfaction of contributing something the world of scientists has never seen before, that to me makes my 80 years worth living. chris: refuses to sell any of the finds, instead he donates
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