>> thank you for joining us today. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> sandra: fox news alert, white house communications director hope hicks is going for the white house intelligence committee today. she is talking to lawmakers behind closed doors as part of their investigation into russian election meddling. what we don't know yet is how many questions she will answer. this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith. here today, harris faulkner. the editor of townhall.com, katie pavlich. syndicated radio talk show host of the leslie marshall show, leslie marshall is here. and joining us today on the couch, editor in chief of "the daily caller" news foundation, chris bedford is here. and he is outnumbered and ready to go. good to have you. >> chris: thanks for having me me. >> sandra: a lot of years to get to today. a lot of president comes top is

today. white house communications director hope hicks is taking questions behind closed doors. lawmakers are likely asking her about her role in crafting the response to this news about donald trump jr.'s meeting with russians at trump tower back in june 2016. when there were also probably asking about the administration's initial response to the rob porter scan. he resigned a staff secretary after a domestic violence allegation came out. watch what he told bill hemmer this morning. >> she certainly has knowledge about what the president knew about russian interference, any directives he may have made in her presence and of course, the june 9th meeting that his son took just one floor below the president's office in trump tower back in 2016 with russians offering dirt on hillary clinton. >> she wasn't in that room though. >> a year later, she was a central part of the response, the changing responses that came from donald trump jr. seem to be

disk dictated by his father. >> sandra: also spoke to house intel member of ohio this morning. he said they're going to ask the same type of questions they've asked everyone else. but he also took a jab at democrats. >> sometimes, his line of questioning is so far off base that it makes my head spin to the point during one of the brakes one time, one of the democrats looked at me and said aren't you glad you didn't go to law school? and i am glad i didn't go to law school. as a matter of fact is, i'm on this committee and we are watching this and i want to stick to the issues in the topic at hand and not try to get off and go astray in all different types of directions don't have anything to do with this. >> sandra: to house intel committee members, chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is live from washington for us. what's the latest? >> thank you, good morning. white house communications director hope hicks did arrive this morning for a closed-door session before the house intelligence committee and based on illegal source close to the

matter, we anticipate hicks will refuse to answer some questions on the bases of executive privilege. this is the same approach used by former white house chief strategist cube and when he recently testified before the same committee. investigators as you mention want to explore what role hicks played in a statement about the 2016 trump tower meeting between the president's son, a russian lawyer among others as well as key moments of the campaign. >> we hope that shall be fully cooperative. but at this point, i don't know what we can expect except we expect for her to come in soon and we hope she will fully cooperate. >> house democrats say their investigation to russian interference will continue while republicans controlled the house intelligence committee and they say they report will be finished in a matter of weeks. in a separate element this morning, rick gates who pled guilty friday to banking tax fraud charges as well as making making a false statement to the fbi is now saying that 32 count indictment dismissed in virginia with similar charges. this is part of the plea agreement with the special counsel robert mueller. that virginia indictment was

revealed on thursday and seen as a pressure tactic to really secure gates' cooperation in that guilty plea which we did get on friday. >> sandra: catherine herridge, thank you. so she's behind closed doors, hope hicks. we don't know what the questions are exactly at this point, waiting to hear what comes out of this. what are your expectations? >> chris: they're going to be wide ranging. since everything they've done, soon as i get someone who is involved in the campaign in front of them, they asked them questions all over. seems to be low at no limit to the lands of the probe. the questions they're going to be asking her what did she know, when did she know it, head of this meeting happen with donald trump jr. and for a moment these people representing russia and just kind of a thing that the donald trump campaign worked its way into to other clinical campaigns might not have because trump is always been a guy that wants to be the primary person. he deals with everyone himself. he's not above going down to a building project in figuring out why the floors not on time.

he talks about that a lot. maybe if it's a go rubio campaign over hillary campaign, they would've said a lawyer to meet with the lawyer. she's been so close to everyone but they want to figure out what does she know about this? >> sandra: and so close to the president all the way through the campaign transition to the presidency. we don't know the questions, we also don't know what she's actually going to answer. >> katie: democrats seem to want to focus on this meeting with a russian lawyer who had allegedly had dirt with hillary clinton. as bill hemmer pointed out this morning, hope hicks was not in the room. when it comes to what she knew, she simply wrote a press release and democrats have been accusing her of obstruction of justice because she was doing her job in writing a press release to respond to new information that came out about that meeting. i think that's a complete waste of taxpayer resources to be asking someone who is a communications director why she read a press release in response to allegations of the meeting. further, if we really are again as democrats claim focused on russian meddling in the election

and trying to prevent it in the future, when aren't they driving former communications director in front of the committee to ask about why in 2014 moving forward the obama administration didn't do anything. what did obama know and when did he know it? why is ben rose not being asked these questions about why the administration sat by the didn't actually do anything to prevent the russians for meddling in the election? it's a one-sided proposition. they're constantly dragging trump and administration officials in front of these committees and if they really interested in getting to the bottom of what the russians did, they should be both sides of who was involved and they should all be asked answering these questions. >> sandra: use a wide ranging. i would say there's some concern with the questions go beyond the scope of the investigation. i think that's what you heard from congressman there. >> leslie: i think we see that on both sides and that irritates me as a taxpayer. it doesn't matter if it's my team doing or the other team doing it. we see it with everyone. when the democrats are hitting, they're trying to ask questions

and we see the same with republicans. with regard to this, we were agreeing up until the point, getting excited. hope hicks is not in the room. but i do believe it's essential that everyone involved is questioned. how much executive privilege is invoked is going to be telling in my opinion as to how much he knew. when steve bannon, it was all most like pleading the fifth over and over and over. he didn't answer the questions. i tend to say he knows a lot and he's not talking. i don't think we're going to see that coming out of this meeting today. >> harris: it is kind of just real quickly and opportunity for the white house. we don't know what executive actions exceptions they would want hope hicks to make in terms of answering questions. we do know that when others have gone to talk with the house and tell that they were some line of communication between the white house attorneys and that person. we cover that here live as it's happening and outnumbered. this is an opportunity to take down the list and to take down

people off the list not just with robert mueller's investigation but with house and tell. and that's something that really is good for the white house i would think in terms of forwarding the investigation. it almost has to happen. they going to talk with whom they want. it is going down that list. >> sandra: will see if we get any answers out of this. she's behind closed doors. >> harris: covering this morning on fox news channel, these are life pictures. this former president bill clinton in the center there. he is joined by franklin graham, the son of the late reverend billy graham. and the president has gone by in charlotte to pay his respects, and the process has been opened to the last day or so. when you see a former president, to the picture, this is something we wanted to show you. the scene we will change tomorrow as we know praises of the take from earlier to let you know. that was alive look as you are

talking with franklin graham. and now just moments ago we will toggle back to the live picture walking out of that home in charlotte, north carolina, want to remind you that billy graham canceled 12 presidents, met with 12 presidents. can you imagine your lifetime spanning that kind of leadership and having that kind of influence where people in their times of need and also just questions about what to buy do next as we know from reports that presidents would call on the reverend billy graham and he would be there with his counsel and with his prayers. imagine a lifetime of legacy like that. his son franklin graham there. in the former president of the united states, bill clinton. it was going to mention this is a changes tomorrow. we might be able to hear some comments, but the scene tomorrow will be without reverend billy graham's remains will go to the capital. and we are expecting a service

late morning tomorrow and for president trump actually to go by and do some of what you're seeing here, pay respects, not only to the reverend but also family members and close friend friends. >> sandra: this is the second president to visit billy graham, yesterday george w. bush and first lady laura bush paid their respects saying laura and i are honored to be able to come and pay our respects to the graham family and more importantly to be able to say good-bye to a person who is influential in our lives and influential on the lives of millions. so now bill clinton taking that time and this is all ahead of the funeral which will be taking place on friday. >> harris: this is a person we talked about him all week long since he passed, reverend graham who stretched far and wide to very remote villages on different continents like africa. he met with reverend martin luther king jr. he met with the pope. he's met with so many and so now

it's an opportunity for some of those people's lives have been forever changed because of the faith and the spirituality and the love that graham spread to come in pay their respects and to say thank you. we will stay with the scene and we see more dignitaries step up like the former president bill clinton, we will bring it to you live. >> sandra: special moment there. meanwhile, the president confirming that he is running for reelection in 2020. this makes it the earliest in a first-term president has done so with 980 days until election day. president obama announced 582 days out. mr. trump has left little doubt about his intentions to seek another term. he filed the paperwork to organize his reelection committee on the same day as his inauguration and held his first campaign rally less than a month later. the president has tapped white house digital guru brad parr scalp to be his campaign mr as john roberts described him earlier, a man you cannot miss

or mistake. he is 6'8" and has a beard. as you can see a picture of him there. known to be an incredibly smart guy, another color that we get on him as he's incredibly liked within the west wing. >> chris: he's kind of exactly what you see in the trump organization in the history of donald trump bread he's been someone that he brought out internally to cell lines initially. he was close to kushner, close to trump and then moved to the political campaign, the presidential campaign was its first campaign and his firm got $91 million on that. that's not a small amount of money. he's done well in these kind of things make them extremely loyal to trump. donald trump value loyalty. he's also more of a salesman. is that a digital side to him but he outsources a lot of that. he handles the sales side of his firm. donald trump want someone who is more internal, maybe he knew cory lewandowski or paul manafort to come onto the campaign and lead it. >> harris: i was just going to say if there has been a challenge for the white house in the vetting process and kind of

the relationship building around the vetting process when it can complicate things if you don't know enough about the people that are close to you and it's been part of the criticism that people have wanted to see the president protected by people who have his back. the digital component is important because that's a check of success and we know how important it is to this president. >> sandra: not a huge shock. of i know he's made his intentions to run in 2020 clear. >> katie: there have been some allegations that he doesn't like being president, that he doesn't want to run for the office again, i'm glad that those have been switched out. he's clearly running for president again. i've always been someone i believe there should be a law that doesn't allow us to move forward with presidential elections until a year out because now the election of 2020 has begun. from a strategic standpoint, that means he's setting up the democrats to get it together now and they're going to have to battle it out for the next three years about who's going to run, what their policy positions are in there going to each other alive more than they have before but it is going to be all out on the table for three years.

>> harris: how hard is that? there's a little bit of a rift in the party. dianne feinstein didn't get an endorsement in california. >> leslie: we do have a rift in our party but i really hope that we as democrats have learned our lesson which is a lack of unity really hurt us in the last election. i think one of the reasons that senator feinstein has not had the endorsement is because democrats also have looked at the age of the party. i disagree with the fighting is for his time. i think it's a benefit to us as far as time. no big surprise the president is going to run. his ego alone would make him do it. he loves to win. right now, he has tax reform doing well. >> harris: right now he's winning is what you're saying. >> leslie: the polls are showing that. we'll see what happens in the midterms. i think this gives a good chance for different democrats to look into putting their hat in the ring and also for the people to come together, having that unified message and finding that ticket that is going to make donald trump a one term

president. >> sandra: get ready, 2020, here it comes. a late night tv host bashing president from for saying he would have run into the park one high school during the shooting to protect people even without a gun. whether the criticism is warranted. thus, lawmakers picking up the battle over gun reform. can they were agree on a bill that meets the president standards? new signs they already having trouble next. >> we have to take steps to harden our schools. so that they are less vulnerable to attack. this includes allowing well trained and certified school personnel to carry concealed firearms.

>> harris: the gun control debate kicking off in washington. president trump is pushing for several measures after the florida high school shooting massacre. when meeting with the nation's governors. >> we have to take steps to harden our schools so they're less vulnerable to attack. is this includes allowing well

trained and certified school personnel to carry concealed firearms. at some point, you need volume. i don't know that is school going to be able to hire 100 security guards that are armed. by the way, bump stops were writing that. i don't care congress does it or not. i'm writing it out myself. we're going to do very strong background checks. very strong. we are going to do background checks. if we a sicko, i don't want them having a gun. >> harris: improving background checks is the part of a narrow bill which senate republicans are pushing right now. here's g.o.p. senator ted cruz. >> of course, we need to do more but we need to be doing is targeting the bad guys, targeting felons and fugitives, targeting violent criminals, not targeting law-abiding citizens. if the objective is to stop crime, gun control is similarly ineffective because what you end up doing is you disarm law-abiding citizens of the criminals keep their guns. >> harris: but democrats are saying the bill falls far short

of the actions congress should be taking. watch. >> one bill that is more likely to get consideration than the murphy bill. i would hope we could do a lot more than that. i think assisting debate is worthy of the challenge and worthy of the horror of the people of florida witness firsthand. >> harris: cosponsoring the bill with democrat chris murphy says i'm for doing what's achievable. if we want to get bogged down again and do nothing? to me, that's unacceptable. this is the most obvious place to start. i'm not saying finish there, but start there and let's get that done. >> chris: even the nra is behind figuring out what's wrong with background checks. the church shooter in texas, the shooter down in florida, these people pass background checks and among a lot of people who pass background checks that have gotten guns and if used it to kill people. i think he's right, the net is pretty broad. we already know that. anyone who buys a gun has to go

through a background check but not catching the mentally ill. >> harris: wondering where democrats will say yes because there are some things on the table, you and i have talked about the power of yes, can you get there so that you do move? >> leslie: not with this legislation. when you talk about background checks left or right, the majority of the constituency in this country are saying we want it for they want more specifically for the loopholes close that we don't have cover now with this piece of legislation. with regard to gun shows, with regard to online sales. it doesn't go far enough with regard to mental illness. >> harris: don't you have to start someplace? i know you got the kids talking and democrats are all excited about the new vocal nature of all of this but i see katie shaking her head because it might go forward but might have to be separate. of >> katie: this is a bipartisan piece of legislation and this time in the country is very difficult for republicans r democrats to come together on anything but we are talking about to remind everybody of

what exactly this legislation i is. in terms of making it illegal for states not to input mental health information into the background check systems. to give you an example of this, the shooter who came into washington, d.c., he was involuntarily committed in new hampshire. new hampshire did not put his record into the mental health system. he then went to virginia, passed a background check, bought a shotgun, illegally carried into washington, d.c., and that of carrying out the shooting. >> harris: apples and apples. >> katie: if the state had put the record into the system that he had filled the background check system, he would not have been able to purchase a firearm. this piece of legislation makes it so a state has to do that. right now, only 30% of those records are being put in. so if we are really talking about mental health and preventing people who are violent to themselves and others from getting firearms some of this piece of legislation addresses that issue and it should be passed. >> harris: i think it's 38 states but you're right, so as

not equal in every state with this information they have to be putting in. and with this police department down in parkland florida, it wasn't just that they didn't make it to the higher level, they couldn't even tell us how many times they've been to the house correctly. it was twice as many times. >> sandra: and paul ryan was asked about this is morning, g.o.p. leaders had a press availability in his response was will see where the senate can get with this. want to see how far that will g go. i missed wonder what changed. why all of a sudden is the president sort of backing off or maybe not but he's gone quiet on his issue of raising the age requirement on the long guns. why do you think that is? >> chris: he does this often. he's opening negotiation, willing to hear all side. sometimes he goes back to the white house and hears from us conservatives saying this is a no-go for senate conservatives say this is a no-go. he's not very ideological on guns. he's a friend of the nra, he's made that clear but he's not going to fight these battles of some of these hard-core conservative congressman.

>> katie: there is a congressional issue with it being raised, constitutional issue when you're a situational right start, 18 or 21? >> harris: representative said what do you say to the 20-year-old mom whose home and was able to protect herself but now constitutionally though it's her right to own a gun can't if you make both long and handguns at the age of 21. we will move on. the republican tax law is taking hold and then no votes on the bill could mean big trouble for moderate democrats who were up for reelection this year. when democrats played the wrong hand, can they turn the messaging around this time? marshall is in the hot seat, we will ask her. the supreme court is staying out of this daca case. that means the deadline for the program protecting groomers for deportation does not stand. the urgency to come up with the fix is gone. what will they do? how will this affect the midterm? stay close.

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surprise. it's really sad when every single case filed against us is in the ninth circuit, we lose, and then we do fine in supreme court. but what does that tell you about our court system? it's a very sad thing. daca is going back and we'll see what happens from there. >> sandra: a former vice president joe biden saying we need to give young immigrants who came to our country as children permanent assurance that they are safe here and used to give them this piece is of mine now. they should have to spend another day living with fear and uncertainty. meantime are public and senator jeff flake of arizona is going to introduce the bill today to extend daca protections for three years. while providing $7.6 billion to fund a border wall for that same time period. political reports democrats said privately that his plan was the best bet. before yesterday's supreme court decision. i'll go to you first on this

one. does this kicking the can down the road, what does this mean for actually getting something done on these dreamers? >> katie: being from the state of california where we have the most daca recipients, even though democrats may say just like steel is good, anything that connects and doesn't have separate the dreamers, daca from that wall is going to be problematic for democrats not just in california but nationwide coming into the midterm. the immigrant community whether they're documented or not, everybody seems to know or is related to or has a friend whose kid is a dreamer especially in california where i live. the problem is that they want these to be separate issues because they perceive it many of these families. the children didn't break the wall, the parents that in the walton symbolism of that in the funding for that. he's to be shoot two separate issues.

>> chris: has folks going to the more there is no congressional all that's been passed them safe in this country. >> katie: i don't think she needs to know that when she's at democrats and democrats are in power. congress needs to pass. her one vote wouldn't have changed that. congress needs to do their job. that's what we sow with the supreme court. the supreme court was basically saying we have checks and balances. >> harris: is your party of the litmus test of getting the backing of these illegal children, no grown-ups in this country that your vote wouldn't have changed it? i don't agree. i think the democrats to have to answer because at one point, you all were in power. you had bicameral in the white house. i thank you very much have to answer it. in fact, i think the question comes as vitriolic as it did in that event when nancy pelosi was pushed back by the crowd at the lectern. it's a serious conversation on your side of the political aisle because you started it.

>> katie: what i'm saying is her one vote. >> chris: fairly progressive wing of the party because of that. >> katie: explain why they cannot be separated pair they have to go together because the president has put a very generous offer on the table of 1.8 million people either who were daca recipients or who would for being recipients was allowed and said that their parents can stay here which is a whole other class of people in return for the border wall, chain migration, visa lottery program being ended. the reason why they can't just be one of the other is because of his just one, we all know for 30 years we've been promised amnesty in return for border security. if we don't do border security and change immigration system, the magnet were bringing children here when little by their parents who are illegal immigrants, the problem continues to persist for decades to come. they're trying to stop the problem now so we are not in this position ten years from no

now. jeff flake's idea of pushing this for another three years into a presidential election not a big fan at all. >> sandra: the president has said on the record that the supreme court will ultimately decide with him. >> chris: they probably will. to be kicked back to the ninth now, the supreme court is going to handle it in its next session so by the end of the year, they'll decide to the president has the power to end this. it's hard to see them not siding with the executive on this. >> sandra: we will see. a g.o.p. tax cuts gaining popularity ahead of the midterm elections, whether that booze could burn moderate democrats up for reelection who voted against that bill. some are already facing heat over the issue. >> senator claire mccaskill said she supports tax cuts for hardworking missourians but when she had the chance, she said no. the voting against tax cuts for you. patrick woke up with back pain.

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>> in terms of the bonus that corporate america receives versus the you chrome's that they are giving to workers to kind of put the schmooze on it so pathetic. it's so pathetic. >> harris: you probably recall housman or leader nancy pelosi sparking outrage after calling e occasions. now the new questions over whether red state democrats have voted against the increasingly popular tax reform bill will suffer in the midterm elections. there are ten democrat senators up for reelection this year in states president trump won.

republicans have already started slamming them on the issues. watch. >> senator joe donnelly said he'd support tax cuts for hardworking hoosiers. but when he had the chance, he said no. >> when it came to cutting your taxes, joe voted no. joe voted no to give working families more of your hard-earned money. >> what it against tax cuts for the middle class. high five, heidi. >> harris: meanwhile, democrats are making love that benefit the wealthy. we got an eye roll. house minority said i don't know when we can make that case, we are sure going to try. wasn't so much that you got a tax cut, it was that you got such a small percentage when you need is higher." >> chris: this was a really big mass calculation by a chuck schumer nancy pelosi. when i saw this bill was going to pass, they should have let some of their more vulnerable

members vote with it. instead of standing steadfast against it. it's fairly common in politics for the leader to let people do that, the minority leader to let people do that, there senators account. >> harris: you saw democrats do it. there were at least 20. >> chris: big mistake for democrats because now, and also ideological. if you're saying won't help you in the middle class and the working class because we don't want to help the rich. that's going to be hard to sell. >> sandra: had a democrats counter this message? now talking about inflation, anybody who's been watching the fed news today. you've got 90% of americans with a higher paycheck right now as a result of this? i do democrats even come back on that message? >> leslie: thank you for saying the two words i wanted to say right now. and that's not when the elections being held. we know that it is right now. right now they have more than a check. separate label 15th and they file their taxes. what are they going to get back? you don't have the personal

deductions, going have 13 million plus people have the health care benefits that they've had prior to when that election comes up, what are they feeling then financially back >> sandra: strengthen the economy from extra money in their pockets? basics is not what wall street does, not with the unemployment rate is. >> harris: those changes, you don't file for 2018 until next year. your filing on 17. the other things that you're talking about come into play. >> katie: i just found this idea that democrats have been arguing forever as long as we can remember that they are for the working class, before the middle class, therefore the little guy and yet here we are with companies giving bonuses, raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour voluntarily, people think i can set my kid to college now because i did have that extra money and put it in the account for the future, i can get their braces done now, little things that people like nancy pelosi who are grossly out of touch not just with a regular

american but with her own party on this issue telling them this is not enough i think is not going to be the best thing for democrats going forward and their voting record is going to prove it when it comes to explaining that on the campaign trail. >> chris: and the working class of guatemala, honduras, egypt, pakistan, that's where they stand. that's where nancy pelosi decided to make her stand to filibuster. as with foreign citizens they don't vote for tax cuts for the lower class in the middle class. >> leslie: i don't agree with you regarding the democrats often is very heavy trump loving red districts quite frankly, i think these people regardless of the tax law might lose their seat because in many times they voted with republicans and quite frankly if i were republican and if i were president, i'd be saying don't even worry about those seats, look at jeff flake seat in arizona because that could be blue. look at california which will be a blue wave. are we going to vegas, we going

to bet right now? in the grand scheme of numbers in the house in the senate cohen is going to offset it. but if you're looking at joe connelly, joe manchin, i consider them republicans. >> harris: crumbs would equal the mistakes that democrats made with the deplorable's for hillary clinton. nancy pelosi is more of a cake kind of a girl, isn't she? crumbs from a crumb cake, i don't know. but the word sticks and it's so easy for republicans to say what you feeling right now? >> leslie: i don't disagree that that was really a poor use of words. >> sandra: she keeps saying it it! >> leslie: she's making my job harder. not deplorable's because nancy pelosi is from california and she doesn't have even though she is all over the press, she's not running for president, she's not going to be president. she's not the face of our party. the parties split right now.

not the face of our party. >> harris: we will be talking about more stuff. we are glad listings here in the hot seat. president trump's feud with late-night shows saying he would have rushed into the lord a school shooting even if he did not have a gun. is the criticism fair were out of line? we will talk about it. >> what are you going to do? run in there and stab them with your bone spurs? i could've won vietnam. moms don't take sick days... moms take nyquil severe. the nighttime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, fever, best sleep with a cold, medicine.

>> sandra: more mueller into and just a moment. but first, harris on what's coming up on what numbered over time. >> harris: we are going to talk to a member of the white house now to get response on president trump announcing he will run again in 2020. in the presidents meeting with lawmakers tomorrow on gun license legislation. in white house communications director hope hicks talking with the house intelligence committee behind closed doors. i'll also talk with a member of that committee, republican chris stewart about the questions they will ask and her answers. that and more "outnumbered" overtime top of the hour. >> sandra: sounds like a good one, thank you. >> i really believe, you don't know until you test it, even i didn't have a weapon and i think

most of the people in his room would've done that to because i know most of you. but the way they performed was really a disgrace. >> sandra: that was president trump yesterday saying he would have charged to stoneman douglas high school even on armed and as he torn to the sheriff deputies who waited outside. white house press secretary sarah sanders defending the president's remarks saying he was speaking as a leader. >> i think he was just stating that as a leader, he would've stepped in and hopefully been able to help as a number of the individuals that were in the school, the coach and other adults and even a lot of the students stepped up and helped protect other students grade i think the point he was making was that he would've wanted to have played a role in that as well. >> sandra: many of the presidents critics ripping his comics, especially the late-night hosts. watch. >> sir, we already know how you react to combat situations. you got a deferments from vietnam. what are you going to do, right

in there and stab them with your bone spurs? i could've won vietnam. i could've won vietnam. but what i've got to say, i find it hard to believe trump was voluntarily run inside a place of education. the only way you would run inside as if a reporter asked you a question outside. >> it's me, donald trump. i don't have a gun but what i do have is an amazing electoral college victory. 736, but i did it. i did it. i did it so good. 8 minutes later, the police show up, trump is still talking. the kids are like what the hell is happening here? >> sandra: seems to be a horrible thing to joke about. this was the reaction on late-night shows. >> katie: i find it interesting that they think the situation is a punch line. president trump made those remarks at a white house meeting with governors across the country trying to find real

solutions and for the first time in a very, very long time, he's actually talking about the dangers that the gun free zones pose to our students, faculty, and others who are in the building. for them to make this joke says a lot about where they are on this. doing nothing actually come up with solutions to harden our schools. >> chris: he was saying i as well as i assume most of you would've run in there. actually watching these late-night clips, it reminded me. remember when the daily show was culturally relevant and people watch and it made the news? i haven't seen a clip from the daily show and so long. people did die running in there with their weapons but football coach gave his life heroically to try to save these children, he had no weapon. that's the kind of earth that overwhelms an adult saying i need to save children. these guys, the shooters are cowards. if that police officer had a little bit more courage, maybe he would've stopped him. >> leslie: i would agree is not a joking matter at all. i'm a mom of two children.

i don't hold my breath when i went to school every day. they were on twitter if you look today, after, a number of liberals who defended the president because when you take it within the context, it was somebody standing outside with a gun should've ran inside. i think i would run inside. i think we all would run inside. to your point, i feel the late-night fodder aside, i've heard from vets organizations that are angry that her saying if you're so brave, why five deferments and some people thought with that, he was making it about him returning it to him as opposed to looking at the heroes in that school or who ran into that school, students, faculty who saved how many children hiding in closets or lost their lives putting themselves in front of those children. >> sandra: doesn't make up for them turning the conversation to that when the really serious discussion is happening and needs to happen in the country. >> katie: and making a joke about the kids standing there. he made the hand motion.

first of all, he was a 19-year-old adult. calling him a child, he wasn't a child and for him to joke about someone who went in and repeatedly had told authorities he was going to slaughter his classmates going to even laugh about that is really disgusting. and i want to focus on the fact that this doesn't move in any way forward hardening our schools and making sure that this cannot happen again. laugh at the president all you want, we are your solutions aside is blaming the nra and acting like the president is the problem here rather than actually providing. >> leslie: but those are late-night comedians. >> katie: they're the ones who lecture to us about morality every single day, conservatives and governors and yet when it comes to actually taking a situation like this seriously where people died running into save children, this is their attitude towards it. >> sandra: i can't imagine any of those family members who lost loved ones or had injured loved ones after that appreciate that very much. verse 22 in just a moment.

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all gussied up and getting married this fall? >> sandra: that's it for us. thanks for joining us. live at noon eastern as we're every weekday. now here is harris. >> harris: fox news alert. a florida sheriff in trouble, facing new questions about the police response to the parkland school shooting. as students pressed their case for new gun laws. let's go outnumbered overtime. i'm harris faulkner. calls, loud voices growing for broad county sheriff scott israel to quit amid new information that some emergency response teams were not allowed in to the hot zone to treat patients. among those patients, children. fox news confirming that law enforcement received at least 45 calls related to the accused shooter's family. nearly double what the sheriff's office had previously reported to us. all this as a group of stoneman douglas students meeting with democratic and g.o.p. lawmakers again