♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." there was a lot of news going on at will get to an end just admit it. but first, a bigger story that we think will shape the country may be more than any other. the nation's immigration laws are breaking down before our eyes. people charged with enforcing those laws are instead destroying them. yesterday we told you about chicago, the city of chicago, and its new plan to give i.d. cards to illegal immigrants. those of initial ideas will allow noncitizens to vote, that is against federal law, not to mention the very idea of democracy. america is supposed too be run y americans. that is a point by the politicians at chicago are pushing to subvert that. if you are looking for a foreign

influence, and everyone is looking for one, you got it, because it is happening in chicago. foreign citizens will be electing our political leaders. chicago alderman came on the show last night and tried tori tell us that it was our imagination, none of this is happening. illegal immigrants, he said, can't vote y because in illinois you have to prove you are a citizen in order to register to vote. watch him tell you that. >> in order for someone to register to vote, and they would have to sign in affidavit and present a birth certificate, passport, social security card, and potential loneliness. he wouldld f still need a second form of i.d. >> tucker: you are saying in order to register to vote, you need to produce evidence of citizenship. is that your claim? speaker yes, it is. >> tucker: we rarely play tape of people who have been on the show when they are not here to respond because it seems like bad sportsmanship. you ought to be able to respond

directly to a claim against you. we are replaying that because it is so perfectly crystallizes the dishonesty in our public conversation on the subject. you just heard an elected official look right into the camera and tell you a lie, not once, but three times. that is not sure what he said. you do not need proof of citizenship to register to vote of the state of illinois. we checked. everyone who lives there knows it. you just need proof of anan address sent in i.d. exactly like the one the city of chicago is giving away to illegal immigrants. he is encouraging them.y people who say anything other than that are lying and they are lying because they want to legally aliens divorce but they don't want you to complain. that is called fraud. meanwhile, an oakland, california, the mayor is taking the side of illegal aliens over american citizens but to her credit, she is doing it in the open. she's trying to sabotage federal immigration enforcement. she issued a public warning to illegal immigrants, telling them

an impending i.c.e. rate so they could go into hiding and avoid federal agents. it is like telling bank robbers that the cops are on the way. who is she protecting? we have brand-new numbers of my question. according to information supplied to this program by i.c.e., 864 illegal aliens, criminal aliens, remain at large in oakland. these are exactly the people the mayor is morning before the authorities get there. we'll give you a couple example. one is a hunter and citizen who's been arrested multiple times for cocaine trafficking and having sex with a minor. one has been convicted for drug smuggling, dui, both have been deported from the u.s. multiple times. they have come back every time. they've been allowed to do that because democratic politicians want them to stay here because, you know the answer, each one of these people, no matter how revolting, his potential walk for them. that is the bottom line. across the country, democrats are giving up in the middle class. theyyo are not trying to fix yor problems..

they don't care. they don't share your concerns. they are the party of foreign voters. many of them illegal. democrats argue from the house floor that immigration law, the law they passed by their body, the lawmaking body, there was should be ignored or nullified. anyone who disagrees and shouted down with slurs.re habits of mrs. show all time.ou kansas noncitizens are not alloo vote for federal office. period. its federal law. the aclu is doing. you think they will sue the mayor of oakland for siding with ms-13 over american citizens? the secretary of state of kansas joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> great to be with you, tucker. >> tucker: i want to be totally clear on this. again, i hate, because i really think people ought to have a chance to respond to what you say about them. i'm sorry the alderman is not here but we had a long a conversation last night and he told us three times, he said i'm

an expertth on natural law in illinois. you have to prove you're a citizen of the country in order to register to vote. is that true? speaker that is false. anyone who studies this knows that there are only four studies were the laws require you to provide proof of citizenship, and that is kansas, arizona, alabama, and georgia. of those four, the other two states are in the process of starting to implement them. >> tucker: what you need an every state, a universal i.d., hard for illegal aliens to get because they are not supposed to be here. how are they not a betting? >> it is absolutely abetting voter fraud. in the other 46 days, you don't need to provide proof of citizenship. allhe you need to do is check a box that says i am a u.s. citizen. and we have found hundreds of cases all over the country, we

had expertt witnesses look at kansas and it could be as high as 18,000 on our voter rolls, and other states probably in the six figures oror more. the problem is, people are doing thisis all the time, sometimes intentionally, sometimes noncitizens are doing it unintentionally. they can't even read what it is they have just signed. or they didn't pay attention to it. then they start getting mail from a candidate saying, you're a registered voter, don't forget to vote for me and on august 7th or whatever the date is. they are registering and voting. >> tucker: why wouldn't that make a difference in elections?c the democratic party is abetting this, they are doing this on purpose, they are printing these at public expense, giving them to illegals. as weiss is not an electoral strategy? it looks like it. >> it looks like that. it does seem that many in the democratic party seem to think that if aliens both. some of them have talked like

that. i think it is appalling. only americans are allowed to vote in these elections. you would make or lose by persuading americans that your policies or rights. the idea that you would replace or outweigh american voters by bringing in foreign voters isuc outrageous. >> tucker: that ist' the foreign influence scandal. you are in thehe middle of the lawsuit related to this. >> the aclu has kind of declared war on election security laws like ours in kansas. this war is something that is outrageous. they're making ridiculous arguments, it's an unconstitutional burden to reach a dear file cabinet and find your birth certificate or they are claiming that the national motor voter law of 1993 somehow created a special privilege, even though the law doesn't say that. they there are crazy arguments but we are fighting them in court next week. >> tucker: i hope it's clear to our audience with the point of this is because it is clear. mr. secretary, thank you for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: acting i.c.e. director thomas homan spoke

frankly about what oakland mayor did when she warned of the impending braids in her. watch. >> i what she did is no better than a gang yelling "look out, police," except she did it to the entire community. it's beyond the pale. i've been doing this for 34 years and this is a whole new law to intentionally warned criminals that law enforcement is coming. >> tucker: a professor at law school, deputy attorney general under president bush, and he joins us tonight. i think it's allowed, my understanding is, states do not have the obligation to enforce federal law but they are allowed to subverted? >>d no. i think the constitution and supreme court are quite clear, immigration law is a sober preserve -- the sole preserver of the federal government. the federal government can't

commandeer or compel state officers to help them but state officers cannot impede or obstruct federal law. we had a civil war about this. this is what the civil war was about, whether state officials could block national federal laws. >> tucker: not to draw too fine a point which you often hear the left to say this is a fascist administration.th if it is a fascist, why aren't they doing anything about it? >> it's not fascist to want to obey the federal law. that is the way the system works. if the mayors and state governors oppose the trump administration's immigration priorities, of a constitution is the system. go andon elect new members of congress may change the law. >> tucker: thank you. it's pretty clear that in a state of california, chicago, making t it easier for people illegally here to vote. it's a crime. why doesn't the u.s. government

do something about it? >> take the situation mentored in oakland, also the one in rahm emanuel in chicago. you have mayors who are encouraging the subversion of federal law. they are coming very close to committing an obstruction of justice. obstruction of justice isin corruptly impeding or obstructing federal officers who are trying to cure their legal duty. so if the mayor, for example, trying to get people to vote who aren't supposed to vote, or as inf oakland, if you have a mayr who is trying to warn people that federal officers are coming to carry out federal law, i think you are coming very close, if not stepping over the line, to obstruction of justice. >> tucker: it seems that way. i hope others in washington agree with you. thank you for that context. appreciate it. >> sure.ox thanks, tucker. >> tucker: a fox news alert. white has communications director and drum confidant hope hicks is leaving the administration. chief national correspondent ed henry has been on it and he

joins us now. >> good to see you. we have learned to the last few moments that after this story broke with this afternoon, hope hicks was seen crying as were some other communication staffers here in the west wing of the white house. what that without processes shen is somebody who has been very popular around here, particularly with the president and top aides and that this was very unexpected and sudden. she's only 29 years old and became very effective around here, influential, the president's longest serving aid, getting high marks for helping to shepherd the tax cut messaging last year. that is why her exit statement focuses on how there are in her words, there's nowhere to adequately express her gratitude. president put out a written statement that was glowing, praising her three years at his side, dating back to the campaign. remember, hicks received negative publicity when her boyfriend at thehe time, white house aide rob porter left

after accusations he had abused two ex-wives. then yesterday, hicks went behind closed doors for about nine hours testifying before the house intel committee about russia and took heat today after it was revealed she told lawmakers she had told white lies for the president.e nonetheless, top advisors told me the exit has nothing to to o with yesterday's testimony. hicks had signaled in recent weeks she was planning to step down. also senior advisors to the president telling me that thel real story behind the scenes is that chief of staff john kelly is trying to consolidate power, even though kelley did put on a statement declaring that hicks "has served her country with great distinction." this comes amid indications that he may be trying to ease out jared kushner, senior advisor and presidential son-in-law, after a series of leaks about a security clearance troubles. bloomberg has a breaking news story that says more than 30 white house staffers have been stripped of their top secret clearances. that is a story that's not going away, tucker.

>> tucker:r: it's not.. ed henry, thank you. >> good to see you. >> tucker: more breaking news about the police response to the high school shooting in florida. new exclusive information coming into fox. we'll tell you in a minute when we come back. also, is google working with the left-wing group to decideec what you can see online? the short answer, yes. long answer straight ahead. ♪ finest insurance experts. rodney -- mastermind of discounts like safe driver, paperless. the list goes on. how about a discount for long lists? gold. mara, you save our customers hundreds for switching almost effortlessly. it's a gift. and jamie. -present. -together we are unstoppable. so, what are we gonna do? ♪ insurance. that's kind of what we do here.

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all day and he joins us with what he has found. matt? >> new tonight, there are some heavy allegations against the commanding officer running the scene that he shooting out to stoneman douglas high school. multiple law enforcement sources allege that the commanding officer prematurely gave responding deputies orders to stage an informal parameter outside during critical moments after the shootings whenti they say all deputies should have been running toward the school to neutralize the shooter. while one law enforcement officd the alleged bad commands could have been detrimental to victims. every second is another life. spoke with multiple sources and law enforcement at the city and county level who say they heard this scene that day was chaotic. the broward county sheriff's office active shooter policy indicates the first priority for responding deputies is to exit the structure to preserve life.

all of the sources allegations it seemed to be backed up by a copy of the dispatch call log from a shooting that day obtained by fox news, which appears to indicate several commands for deputies to stage her former perimeter when calls were still going across the radio that the shooter's and whereabouts wereut not known. however, at least two law enforcement sources say the states investigation into the timeline that day will reveal if the calls for deputies to stage outsidee was the right call because the staging eventually has to happen at every scene. each emergency situation is unique. the commander that they may have known something the rest of the crew did not want to. we ask the broward county sheriff's officece and we ask te florida department of law enforcement, which is investigating the sheriff's office for comment, and each said it is an active investigation, they cannot comment on it, and they will reveal their timelines. tucker. >> tucker: matt finn, thanks a lot for that.r: pretty remarkable. a story just published on

buzzfeed concedes something that just last week was considered hate speech on cnn. it's this. stoneman douglas high school students who were pushing for gun control are in fact getting a ton of help from professional antigun organizations. the buzzfeed story notes that e lobby group like every town for gun safety, move on, women's march, even planned parenthood have been jarring the student activists with resources and assistance. obviously come out are within their rights to do that and we don't doubt their sincerity. we take them at face value. that doesn't mean the rest of us can say what we believe.mp especially when it's obviously true. for example, of course these kids fresh from the most dramatic event of their lives would like to get help from some very ideological adults. that was immediately clear to anybody who's ever been around politics, obviously. trey of david clarke are in a number of people basically said that and they were immediately

savaged by the moronic pundits, but it sounds like sheriff clarke and the rest were right. will anyone issue a correction on that? google is policing the content posted to youtube and they are using a thoroughly discredited left-wing group to do that. google is creating a group of trusted flaggers who will help the company monitor alleged extremist comment on the website. one of those trusted flaggers is not trusted at all. it's the southern poverty law center. it is not an expert on the south or property or the law. john stossel explained the truth about this group at an amazing report. here's part of it. >> the southern poverty law center, based in alabama, calls itself the premier group monitoring hate groups. looking at y their map was of sh groups, you would think america was consumed by hate. i once believed in the center's mission, while many people still do,do apple gave them a million

dollars. what donors don't know is that today the centers smears people who don't deserve to be smeared. the southern poverty law center now lists people like ben carson, laura ingraham, and jeanine pirro as extremists. but it doesn't list antifa, the hate group that beats a people on the right. this he the center has become ae hate group itself. it is now a left wing, money grabbing him a slender machine. >> tucker: it's a hate group. let's be t honest. you follow the stuff pretty well come li closely. how did they wind up policing content on the most powerful company in the world? >> it's hard to understand. i think what was going on, tucker, is that youtube innocence was trying to be inclusive in their mind and really try to have an optical

perspective that they were doing everything they could because they were taking a lot of heat from people saying they weren't doing enough to stop isis and extremist groups. that is what led to this. but it's just too far. i can't imagine how they can have this group and really, in my opinion, more shouldd be don, a lot more. >> tucker: for people watching at home who think that the southern poverty law center sounds like a legitimate group, gives up all might give us an example of the people or movemes they have deemed beyond the pale, haters, extremists. > laura ingraham, ben carson. so you've got conservative figures that they are labeling. and i think it's gone too far. in my opinion, youtube should fire southern poverty immediately from all youtube monitoring.

it's an outrage. to have a possibility of an anti-conservative hitting delete for partisan reasons or on any content that is relevant to patriotic americans, i think google needsds to be -- youtube- be transparent, moving forward, to monitor content and having a policy related to anyone that has any political affiliation or reputation for being partisan. i think also come with really needs to be an apology to patriotic americans, that use youtube for this gross oversight and unfair process that's really done not with any kind of disclosure, and the choice of using southern property, for the monitoring of content, it's just -- it doesn't make sense. frankly, it opens up a bunch off things. when they are doing this to conservators, who also are they doing into? >> tucker: we don't know because it is totally opaque. whatever happened to saying what you think is true even if people don't like it?

i guess that's passe. eric, thank you. >> thank you, tucker. my pleasure. >> tucker: a suspect accused of hacking computers in congress, perhaps taking classified information, was caught trying to flee the country and the fbi let her go. that happened. why? that story is next. ♪

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flee the country, not clear why, even after she was caught trying to board a plane with a likely illegal amount of cash. she's awaiting trial on charges of froggy fraudulent procurement and bank fraud, thanks to an fbi blunder, his wife is safe in pakistan. "the daily caller"t broke this,a nonprofit, similar to a website that i used to run, there's my disclosure. he joins us tonight. boil this down for us. rice is a big deal? >> this is the pattern we've seen time and time again. the doj and the fbi have evidence of crimes, involving democrats and the politically connected, and there is no chargers. itar is stuff that everyone kno, the average joe, if they were to do it, they would go to jail. >> tucker: what are the charges? >> the house inspector general found that these guys made unauthorized access to house data before the 2016 election. they were impersonating members of congress, covering their

tracks, tried to block them, found ways around it. this is malicious intent, this is hacking. this is cyber infiltration. the house inspector general spent six months putting together thise report, a whole team of government investigators, and they conclude that they are doing all of these things. put yourself in the context, before theg election, the dnc,e are dealing with that hat, and these government investigators bring this investigation to the fbi on a silver platter and it basically says these guys infiltrated congress, made unauthorized access -- >> tucker: they worked for debbie wasserman schultz. >> they work for a number of democratic members of congress. they were accessing data they had no business accessing, doing a bunch of scary things scary things. >> tucker: is there any chance they will be charged? why are they being charged? >> that is a big question. they put a first-year agent on the case. we are talking -- this is the

same pattern of the dnc hacked. potentialin foreign modeling, we've got a cyber breach, and they put a junior guy on the cage. case. he's watching them, and this is ground zero of the hack. that server is stolen from underneath the nose of the fbi. in the fbi does not make an arrest. they surveilled the sky, they want to move hundreds of thousands of dollars to pakistan, they follow hisis life to the airport,d watch or board the and wave goodbye. they've made no arrests, and they will be in court next thursday. they tried to be vague about this whole thing but the fact is, i have seen the ig report, the doj has the ig report, and the fbi has it. if you have seen that ig report, you cannot conclude anything other than these guys infiltrated congress, made unauthorized access to data. it's the kind of thing where criminal charges, there's no way around it. >> tucker: you might as well say they hacked our democracy. weird.d. thank you for that. t it's a real story. a big one. 2016, both hillary clinton and

barack obama said it was impossible to hackck american le all my collections. today, hillary clinton accused us of "surrender" by not doing more to stop russian interference. a former heller come to an advisor who worked with her estate and other places joins us tonight. philippe, what exactly should trump be doing against the russians right now? >> let me try it this way. let's forget about 2016. let's assume that he won 50 states, 535-0, she came out ofbo her voting booth and said, he so great,at i voted for him. nothing happened. let's assume for a moment that donald trump's cia director, director of national intelligence, and his director of the nsa testified before congress and told him presumably that north korea was attempting and planning on disrupting our elections in 2018 is a precursor

to 2020 and w they were doing so with the intent of disrupting the incumbents and they might hurt house members who are incumbents. what conversation would we be having? >> tucker: i've been here most of my life. i don't care what a lot of peoplear in washington say becae they are dishonest and stupid. you are telling me that russia, which has a contracting economy and population, position on the world stage, single military base outside its own borders, is a graver threat than china? >> i don't think it's walkable. they can both be significant adversaries. >> tucker: we are sucking up to china, -- >> i'm not defending china. >> tucker: what we are hearing from a democratic left is that the threat is from russia and the facts don't show that. it's insane actually played speak of the intelligence shows it under his intelligence presentedon by donald trump's appointees, republicanan

appointees. they are going to interfere with the 2018 election. >> tucker: how will they do that? >> a number of ways. we've learned that they got into the registration rolls of seven states prior to election day. >> tucker: how do you imagine? >> how do they get into sony? >> tucker: a serious question. >> you want i can't talk about how -- >> tucker: gott to talking abouo people -- >> tucker: i'm against foreign hacking. china is the primary aid -- we never mention three democrats have pushed for years online voting. they think it will increase their share of the turnout, it easier, and the voters don't like to go to a the polls. how can they -- >> i'm nodding but i don't agree. >> tucker: how can they be pushing for online voting if we face this hacking threat from foreign countries? >> i don't think it's as simple as online voting. who is in charge protecting us against china? even if it's hard, even it will

fail, who's in charge? >> our captains of industry, silicon valley, military -- >> tucker: who's in charge of fighting opioids? kellyanne conway. why wouldn't there be a white house coordinator? >> tucker: what would he do? >> or she. >> tucker: it's a broadly object pronouns i can stand for either one. >> let's just say it is mike pence. he would do a number of things. he would take the whole of government approach. you had a good point, this also involves the private sector, facebook, google.us he could bring people together -- >> tucker: the first thing he would do as he would say, no electronic voting. it's vulnerable to far north on my front hacking. shadow i have better sources ann sense. >>re all voter rolls are

electronic anyway. >> tucker: voting itself in states with paper ballots is safer than those that have electronic voting at democrats are pushing for electronic voting even though they claim russia will hacked the election. >> i think we were talking about a post and cyber oranges. >> tucker: are democratic vulnerabilities -- >> that argues for the next 100 years to use paper as opposed to making sure our voting systems are -- >> tucker: i gave you a specific thing to harden our democracy and you laughed because it might hurt democrats. >> i didn't laugh because as the first thing i want to do. >> tucker: it's the obvious thing. >> let's just use the word screwing around or interfering. if it's interfering. let's say they can't do it, they are bad at it, forget about 2016. i know you what t the people who are in the double nothing burgr camp -- what should we be doing? it seems that the people in charge or protecting us are not doing enough. to be when every democrat in

congress should suspend all electronic voting. >> why do we bank? why don't we go back to the fax machine? >> tucker:>> we are so worried about russia all of a sudden. >> i'm the one worried -- you have the china bowl over here. >> tucker: great to see you. a student at wake forest he says he's being harassed for his political views, harassment is not allowed on campus but administrators don't even care. that student joins us next. ♪ stay with me, mr. parker. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time... stay with me, mr. parker. ...saving time when it matters most. stay with me, mrs. parker. that's the power of and.

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because they don't like his views.f ryan wolf joins us tonight. ryan, what happened? >> thanks for having me on, tucker. so back before the 2016 election, we had a panel talk that was hosted by the college republicans, and the wake forest review, the conservative publication on our campus. kind of before, during, after thisis event, they were messages about me on social media and in group chats that were trying to intimidate me and then after the event i was handed a box of saltine crackers and in a group chat during the event, a student photoshopped my face onto a cracker. so ouric school has fairly strit verbal abuse, harassment -- >> tucker: i assume that as a slur against your ethnicity, correct? >> yes. that is how it was intended. so we have pretty strict rules about harassment at our school. clearly, they don't abide by the

first amendment. we are trying to hold all students to theep same standardo i reported the conduct at the behest of one of my professors, who used to be an msnbc host. melissa harris h perry. so i sent in these reports, and the university basically, after several weeks, gave me these options, and i asked to press charges, open a school judicial case against the students who handed me the box of crackers and photoshopped my face onto a cracker, then after several weeks i was told in many words because our gino students is not a frank person, that president trump selection somehow justify their behavior even though the incident happened before election day and that if i brought a judicial case, it would make things worse for me. we were heading into finals week and i just wanted to be over. >> tucker: adam goldstein, the dean, dean goldstein said -- i just want to makeo sure -- he

said that the president selection somehow justify this attack on you? >> yeah, he doesn't say things in short sentences like that. i what i took away from that part of thero conversation was that e was trying to justify their behavior because it was a response to the election of president trump. >> tucker: i mean, that is -- i don't even know what to say. it doesn't make any sense. if you had been a different kind of person, this would have been swiftly punished i assume, righ right? >> exactly. we had a racial slur incident a few weeks ago. let me be clear, i'm not equating what was said by this girl to to what was said about, but this student was asked to leave our school. about two days later. this trick several weeks and theyey would not open a judicial case about harassment even leaving the race part out of it. >> tucker: dean goldstein didn't say, barack obama was

elected president nine years ago, so it is understandable that people might do that. that wasn't the excuse he gave in that case, i assume? >> no, yeah. this incident just happened a few weeks ago. it makes no sense. i told him in that meeting that individuals have to be held accountable for their individual actions under the rules we have at the school. and h if i had it my way, we wod abide by the first amendment and we wouldn't have all these rule rules. but we have the strict -- if we will have the strict rules, and this reporting system, then everyone needs to a be held accountable the same way. >> tucker: ryan, i really appreciate how brave you are to come onow and how clearly you expressed that,ha and in a way, you are accorded to a chorus because you are impressive. the school is obviously not living up to its own standards. thank you for telling us about it. >> thanks for having me on. >> tucker: students as young as five years old in delaware may soon be able to say they are changing their gender, their

race, without even letting their parents know, and the school will protect them against their parents. amazing story next. ♪ they call him the whisperer. the whisperer? why do they call him the whisperer? he talks to planes. he talks to planes. watch this. hey watson, what's avionics telling you? maintenance records and performance data suggest replacing capacitor c4. not bad. what's with the coffee maker? sorry. we are not on speaking terms.

♪ >> tucker: delaware is on the brink of passing a regulation that would allow children to change their gender without parental permission or even knowledge. regulation25 20 to five would lt kids pick their locker room, sports team,m, pick their name,b regardless of their biological gender. it would let students choose race and if the school wishes, parents will be told nothing. the president of the delaware foundation joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me.s >> tucker: so we don't let kids make any decisions without

their parents, because their parents are in charge of them. why would they be encouraged to make a decision is profound without letting their parents know? >> well, tucker, the regulation doesn't encourage children to make any decision. it simply allows them to identify their gender or race for school records purposes. for schools permitted under the regulation to seek the permission of parents before they make that change. and it suggests also that if the school decides to seek the permission of the parent, that they consider the health, safety, and well-being of the child before they do that. >> tucker: hold on. the school is not the parents. the teachers didn't give birth to the child, raise the child. how could teachers justify not telling parents? why are they not required to tell them immediately? >> sure. the simple fact is that some parents are simply not going to

be supportive of their child and did my endanger the child's safety or well-being to involve that parent -- >> tucker: who makes that decision? >> the school would make the decision but i think what's missing here is that -- >> tucker: was missing here is outrage. let me supply some. the school has no right to take away project on my parental decision-making from parents. the children do not belong to school administrators, they arew members of the family from which they came. how dare a school take their prerogative away from parents? where did they get the right to do that? >> tucker, they are not taking the prerogative away. >> tucker: obviously they are. >> it's only in rare circumstances that a school would come to a determination that involving the parents is going to endanger the safety and well-being of a child. >> tucker: who has the right to decide? where does that right comem? fr? where it is a school administrator have the right to override parent toll --

>> it's not about overwriting parental judgment. >> tucker: of course it is. >> nall. it's about protecting the safety and well-being of the child. >> tucker: hold on. slow down. >> i'm a parent or four, i can l you the most sacrosanct right you have as a parent is to influence development of your child. in order to violate that right, you need a court order. you are saying that a school official can just decide it's not in the child's interest -- and i'm asking you where you get the rightt to violate millennia of sacred tradition and make that decision in place of a parent? simple question. where doest. that right come fr? >> tucker, the child has a right to dignity and respect in school. and they shouldn't have to choose between that dignity and respect and being unsafe at hom home. being subject to potential physical violence, mental anguish -- >> tucker: but someone has to make the decision. hold on, there is a subjective decision to be made for what is best for the child. that decision is always made by

parents must a court determines that the parents are unable to make the right decision. it takes a court to do that. yes.es >> we sent children to schools and administrators and teachers make those decisions every day. >> tucker: about what race and sex the child is? are you p joking? this has never been tried and anyplace in the world. for you to pretend that this is no big deal, nobody rights are being violated, yes, they are. you are political extremist, you think their view is more important than the right of parents. i think we should acknowledge that. >> this regulation is similar to policies that have implemented across the country, and oregon, washington, massachusetts -- >> tucker: going back six months? this has never happened in human history. we didn't used to believe this three years ago that you could changege your sex or race. at least pay me the complement of acknowledging this is brand-new. this has never been tried.

>> it's not brand-new, tucker. >> tucker: changing your races and all thing? how far back does that extend? was that in british common law? >> it's not changing your race, tucker. it's identifying your race. >> tucker: looks, we are not having a biology conversation that's another segment. i'm telling you is a factual matter, no society has ever dony that until very, very recently. it's never happened. so at least acknowledge this is brand-new. >> it's happening in school districts and it's being implement it seamlessly across school districts across the country. >> tucker: you are putting the rights -- their own children are being violated because of activists. i will stand up and say it. i'm not afraid of you. parents are losing their right over their own children and i think that is something we need to think about. >> i'm sorry -- i think we are on the same page that parental involvement is very important. it is only in very rare circumstances -- >> tucker: but who makes that decision and where do they get the right to make the decision?

i don't know if you have the children, but -- i don't think you would like -- i think you would need a court order to do that. >> this does not prohibit communication between the parent on the child. >> tucker: the school hides this from the parents. they are not their children. thosee children do not belong to the school. they belong to the family from which they came. i just wish he would acknowledge that and we can move from there but you want. you try to bully people. >> there are plenty of circumstances, tucker were school counselors or other people -- >> tucker: it's not their child. a school counselor doesn't get to decide. we d have to stop. thank you for coming on. there is much more. will be back.

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