i have gone into the presence of god. that's our story for tonight. see you back here monday at 7:00. tucker carlson is up next. jr. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. the nation's capitol all but deserted today after the entire federal government unexpectedly shut down due to an emergency. did you hear about this? it wasn't an earthquake or outbreak of war, the actual reason it was windy today in washington. there was no rain or thunderstorms. kind of nice out. it was blowing briskly like it does a lot of year in wyoming and montana and south dakota. so in response, the entire federal workforce stayed home with pay. but somehow this is the amazing part. the private sector bravely made it to work anyway. so here we are. question is county rest of

us deduct today's wind emergency from our federal taxes? we'll ask around and get back to you on that. but first, the debate over the second amendment. last night we criticized the president for saying authorities ought to confiscate guns first and worry about due process later. that is unconstitutional as we pointed out. we're pretty sure the president is reconsidering that. news reports today say he is. we didn't want to leave the impression last night that the administration is the main threat to gun rights or to due process. it's not. in fact, it's not even close. here's a reminder of how the other side feels about those things. >> force these allegedly christian men and women who stuff their pockets with money from the nra year after year after year to do something now. >> so many thousands of people are dying every year for this so-called liberty. >> you have a whole generation of young people who essentially see the nra as their enemy. to them the nra is like the kkk just some hostile force that's against them that's risking their lives.

>> the bible warns us not to worship false gods and, yet, it does seem that. of america is, indeed, worshiping at the altar of the gun gods. >> tucker: we're getting lectures on christianity from the media. pretty amazing. trump did say something stupid about due process the other day and the fact is though that the left has been opposing due process for a long time specifically on the subject of gun control. when is the last time you heard a democratic politician praise the australian solution to gun violence? a lot if you are watching cnn. you probably heard it today. they say it all the time. the question is do you know anything about how australia implemented gun control? well, confiscation they took the guns away from the population by force not just from criminals and people convicted of wrongdoing. the government of australia took guns from law abiding people who had done nothing wrong. they punished the innocent. what exactly did that look like? well, here san ad for one of australia's gun confiscation efforts. shows naked men in a prison

shower and warns public to turn their guns in or else they will be sent to prison, too. effectively the government threatened law abiding citizens with prison rape if they didn't surrender their guns. that's what liberals are calling for in this country every time they talk about the australia i can't believe solution. a lot more ads like that. we will tweet them out tonight. by the way that's what the assault weapons ban is democrats push for a law outlaw more than 200 kinds of firearms, as well as all guns that have various irrelevant cosmetic features like bayonet lugs, lots of other things people wrote the law know nothing about. if that law passes and it might if the democrats take congress, you will be punished. you have fewer rights. but, wait a second, have you done nothing wrong. you never shot anybody. have you no plans to shoot anybody. it doesn't matter. democrats will treat you the same way they treat convicted felons as unworthy to be trusted with you firearms. meanwhile their body guards will still have the most powerful guns available. of course they will, because they can. because they are in charge and you are not. the left is also demanding

the government bar people under 21, these are people eligible to vote and serve in the military from buying firearms. again, most people under 21 haven't done anything wrong. they haven't been convicted of a crime or committed crimes. but a few of them have. so democrats are saying all must be punished. imagine applying the same standard to other constitutional rights. for example, let's say somebody shouted fire in a crowded theater and scores died. would the rest of us lose our right to free speech? these are real questions. they are inconvenient so soon after the massacre in parkland for which the country is still grieving, but we should remember they is a country worth living in precisely because we take the constitution seriously. when we stop taking it seriously it, won't be a country worth living. in president trump seems to have remembered that. many on the left never knew it and they don't care anyway. you often hear progressives say they want an honest conversation about guns. well, of course we do too. that's why we have invited the heads of almost every different gun control group to come on this show and

tell them what they believe. mike bloomberg group, george soros' group. they refuse to come on. delighted to appear on cnn, obviously where they're celebrated and never challenged. we would like to have that conversation because we think it's important. we are joined by someone who will come on antwon c. wright. thanks for coming on. >> thank you, tucker, for having me. >> tucker: i appreciate it because so many others with your views won't. it's an analogy but i think it's still worth talking about. i just mentioned a minute ago about another constitutional right, the freedom of speech. if someone were to misuse that freedom, in a way that was illegal woolg that mean rest of us would have to give up our right to the freedom of speech. >> absolutely not. we all have to take a deep breath and focus on the issue at hand. for me the focus on the issue at hand is trying to prevent p figure out how to prevent another mass shooting in this country.

>> tucker: right. >> so one more parent can see, cannot have to deal with burying their child once again. >> tucker: i agree. amen. >> tucker, i don't want to make this about left or right, liberal or conservative. this is simply about trying to do something to prevent another mass shooting. >> tucker: obviously. hold on. i totally agree with that i think every decent person, maybe even some non-decent people here. nobody thinks these are good. they are hurting the country we are all against them. the question is what do you do? they are policy solutions being float you had. are they good ideas or consistent with the constitution or not? what is the solution to these shootings that you think would work? >> here is what i think reasonable people believe. we know north of 65% of the american people believe we should do something. here is what i think we should do. i'm not one of those people who say we need to take away everyone's guns. i know that's the fall back republicans talk democrats want to. i'm a proud weaponnish. i appreciate being able to

carry this gun freely in my country. here is what i do belief, if you have a mental health issue there is a good chance you shouldn't be able to have a firearm. >> tucker: i agree. >> if we can close the loophole. my good friend she men at a was killed in a church in charleston because dylan roof purchased a gun when a check didn't come about back in certain amount of days. >> tucker: had you to fill this out on a federal fund adjudicated mentally ill. you can't buy a gun. that's already the law. so what changes would you make since, again, that's already the law? >> well, here's the thing. different states have different laws. recently in south carolina. >> tucker: no, no, i'm sorry to interrupt. that's federal. that's on the federal form. the federal background check the doj does on every gun owner. if you buy a gun, you have to fill this out. and you're not allowed to buy a gun if you have been

adjudicated mentally ill. what specific change would you make? >> well, i think the word ends illness varies. one doctor can diagnose you one thing and one the other. we need to be consistent when we talk about mental health issues. that's just one thing i would change. >> tucker: i mean what would the change -- i don't want to be abstinent i want to get to the specifics here. specifics matter it's public policy. what specific change would you make? >> the issue specifically on mental health. in some places people with mental illnesses can go into a gun show or online and buy a weapon. you and i both know that. >> tucker: we just saw that happen in florida. a kid with mental illness was able to buy a gun because the school refused to turn him over -- how would you stop that? what would you do specifically. >> that's my point. we have to have comprehensive extensive background checks so that we can prevent another person -- prevent another person who has mental health issues from having a gun. >> tucker: here is where we

are having an actual bipartisan conversation. we both agree mentally ill, dangerous people shouldn't have guns. what do you do specifically? we already have a comprehensive back ground check. would you, i don't know, tell me your solution. i'm sincerely interested. >> well, tucker, if you would let me finish getting through, we will have to tighten up on closing the began to make sure these laws are in place and making sure they are truly enforced. >> tucker: the law is there. >> enforce wanted. there is laws on the book and have to enforce them and strengthen them where we need to. i think you can agree with that right, tucker? >> tucker: i don't know what that means it doesn't mean anything u it's the kind of thing that all of us, jimmy kimmel can nod and feel vertuous. >> it means enforcing the laws on their own books. >> tucker: of course i'm four that let me ask you a question though sings we are on this subject, there are hundreds of thousands, close to half a million returning veterans from iraq and afghanistan who get money from the federal government. a lot of them are on medication because they have a mental illness.

they have said that it's called ptsd should they be allowed to buy guns. >> i don't think so. can you fundamentally disagree. i don't think so. >> tucker: look, i'm just searching for honest answers for people. i don't have to agree. i want to know what you thought. you said it honestly. >> tucker, can i give you a for no more things. >> tucker: almost out of time but hit me real quick. >> we we agree you this are urchesd out age you have 18 you should not be able to purchase an assault weapon in this country. >> tucker: should you be able to carry one armed services age 17 which is now the law? >> you are trained to five-day forecast war as a eble president armed services. >> tucker: we don't trust you -- can i ask you a question? >> let me finish, law enforcement and members of our military i think that is the one exception i think democrats and republicans would agree on. >> tucker: if woe don't trust you to carry gun, why are we trusting you to vote. >> that's apples and oranges. >> tucker: no people vote

for the country. you are not trusty enough to carry a firearm but can you vote. >> when you go into the vote to vote. you don't run the risk of being able to kill someone. >> tucker: that's where you are wrong, anton. >> please tell me how. >> tucker: a lot of maniacs killed a lot of people been elected to the ballot gox as you may know. dan bongino former secret service agent nra tv contributor and he joins us tonight. so a lot of people are saying, dan, as you know, you know, why should -- here you had this guy who was 19, was a nut case. bought it legally. maybe we should ban all people his age or under 21 from buying guns, which you say? >> i say i'm really sick of liberals. i mean like really sick. physically ill listening to them because they can't be scon sis tent on an argue. i have argued with liberals about swawld gun control which you accurately called

people parole for days now. just a few days ago a guy said to me you have to be 21 to buy alcohol. i said you are talking about the purchase of a mind altering substance not the operation of a firearm. yet, this guy comes around and talking about voting, he makes the exact opposite argument they are apple and oranges. so is booze and guns. it doesn't matter to liberals. they will tell you the same thing, tucker, about immigration laws and abortion laws. they will be like, you know what? those laws don't matter. immigration, we don't really have to follow those laws. fing as a matter of fact, people don't and we should give them government benefits u abortion laws don't put any abortion laws on the books, they will all be ignored. gun laws, those will really work. those are definitely stop homicidal maniacs from getting guns and preying on the rest of us while we are awful unarmed. this is so beyond stupid that we are all losing iq points by debating with these people. >> tucker: i think that's right. abortion is thought mention new the constitution beating heart of our constitutional rights which guns which are in the second amendment in

the bill of rights that's not even there i so, i guess i appreciate people who are sincerely trying to solve this problem because all of us recognize how horrible it is. but, are you starting to suspect that a lot of these so-called solutions are not really about making the public safer but about something else? >> tucker, 15 years in law enforcement, and five years studying the issue and doing commentary on it this is what people have to understand. get this through your heads and don't are forget it there are two parallel tracks for gun owners, knock for liberals, let's do this slow. one, two. first track legal gun owners, do background check, fill out a 4473. you can't be a prohibit you had processor, okay? that's how good people, oncriminals get guns. they have have a track number two. people who steal them and sell them on the black market. you have a law by the way which only impacts good law abiding people and does nothing for criminals.

let me ask you this, tucker, what other law works like that. burglary law affect you. has tucker carlson ever thought about burglarizing a house and thought darn, the burglary laws you don't care about at all u good, maximum penalty ares for burglary laws. gun laws are the only law that's affect the law abiding and don't effect cralts one bit. thriving black market for guns. it's absurd. >> tucker: our immigration law us keep out millions of potential software engineers but ignored by 11 million people from a third world living here because they didn't care. >> tucker: it's a perfect example. dan, thank you for that i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> california biggest state once the best state looks nothing like it once did. it's falling apart. the state is the least livable in america. what went wrong so very wrong? we will tell you next. ♪ 58,070 steps.

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>> tucker: more politicians in california are endorsing efforts to directly resist federal law. last weekend oakland mary libby schaaf warned residents of ice raids allowing dangerous criminals to escape. gavin newsom who hopes to become the governor soon once jerry browne leaves calling on other governors to do the same thing that will make the state better. of course they will. gubernatorial candidate joins us tonight. mr. allen, thanks for coming on. >> thanks so much, tucker. pleasure being on. >> tucker: i haven't lived in california for a while. i don't know the answer.

does anyone notice that the state of california is an open rebellion against the united states? is that noted out there. >> you know, californians are all scratching heir they haheadat what's going on with gavin newsom the california democratic party. don't believe that the media reports ordinary californians are absolutely shocked what's going on in the streets of california. >> tucker: so, i mean, what do you think the core problem is? i mean, california was once the greatest state in the union. people came from all over the world to live there, i mean, look ought popular media from 50 years ago. people sang about moving to california. people are fleeing california now? what changed do you think? >> what changed is decades of the democrats running california legislature. 3 of the last 40 years california democrats controlled both houses of the state legislature and jerry brown and his father has controlled for the last 24 of the 50 years.

taxes go up. businesses leave, our people leave. as a matter of fact 243,000 california ans leaving taking $8 billion with them. now we are seeing open lawlessness, where we have the criminal attorney general of california openly threatening california businesses if you follow federal immigration law, he is going to prosecute you and, of course, have you heard of libby schaaf, it's getting worse now. >> tucker: tell me about the quarter million californians who have les nut past seven years u those are normal middle class people, right? out kind that you form a society around. >> well, you know, i can tell you very personally these are my parents. my parents have left out state. my brothers left the state. my best friend now lives in texas where he doubled out size of his house, doubled out size of his business and pays no state income tax. i'm also an invested advisor to the california state assemblyman, can i tell you my clients all started in california. now in 22 different states arranged out nation. >> tucker: i mean, do the

people who run the state have any -- do they know this? do they pay any attention? i though your tech sector is doing well and more more people than ever. you are booming on either end. are they worried about the middle class leaving. >> it's as if they live in a bubble. they absolutely do not see this. it's understandable. if you were gavin newsom the former mayor of san francisco and you had maps you have human waste so people could navigate through your city. huron der micby her der mick needles and injections centers opening in july in san francisco it might make sense to look the other way at the facts. that really is the only explanation in california. highest poverty in the nation. one in five californians living below out poverty line. highest homelessnessed in the nation. and i mean the numbers go on and on. >> tucker: they destroyed something so beautiful and they should be punished for it thank you. good luck. >> thank you very much.

>> tucker: "u.s. news and world report" released new best states ranking and bad news for the state of california. despite having a powerful economy, the most fertile farmland in the world, probably the prettiest physical environment on planet earth, california was rated dead last in quality of life, if you can even believe it california radio host he still lives there he joins us tonight. ethan, how do you take a place that was world famous as eden, and in 50 years make it the worst place in america? and please don't blame others. likes people who run the states should take, i think responsibility for that. don't you? >> well, it's a complicated issue. here we specifically have the issue go 50 years, ticker, the top legs has well more than doubled in that time and because we have the natural beauty. >> tucker: where do they come from? where do the majority in the past 30 years where do the majority come from the midwest? no they came from a third world country. do you think it might have

something to do with it? >> i think that that is a very complicated issue. if you look in silicon valley in particular, tucker since you were talking about the booming silicon valley. that is a lot coming from south asia, china. >> tucker: that's that you. >> countries you that you think mighten poor. they have built tremendous. we have sikh community the. >> tucker: great tiny percentage of california. the overwhelming majority have come from latin america. a lot of them are awesome people and smart and add a lot. and even the super poor ones i think a lot of them are great people. the truth is if you import millions of really poor people with no education doesn't mean they are bad people but maybe your state gets to look a lot more like the country they left. is that true? >> remember, the cost of living here is extremely high. when you look at that u.s. news and world reports and look at howe they measurable

what you just talked about quality of life it's cost of living. >> tucker: the state is totally overpopulated and dealing with the problems overpopulation like really expensive housing prices, no? >> no. part of our problem here is actually a little bit of nimbyism. woe love our green space we restrict development. any time you restrict development. you are a free market guy. >> brian: really green space in a picture a friend of mine works last week two blocks from uber, right in front of his office. it's i think it's. those are syringes that hero inaddicts left there. that's not green space, it's filth. if your city looks like that, have you failed. can't we just admit that or are we still pretending that's progress? >> i think that there is real significant issue that is happening in california that 1/8 of our home lazarus population we know that from

the surveys. they came from elsewhere. egg can can't issue that californiaens are -- you don't i do in nor'easter. ism. >> sean: houston is more temperate than fran. if it was just like out weather bigger than san francisco by factor of five or whatever would have a lot more hyperder mick needles but they have none. why is that? any idea? >> we have more lenient drug laws here. >> tucker: oh, it's rung by liberals who aren't good at running things. >> we have a problem. the opioid epidemic right now, tucker, if you are going to point out hyper der mick needles, 65,000 people a year dying because of that. hero inplays into that including rural kentucky and rural ohio. >> you can point out san

francisco. >> let me ask you quickly you ronnie won't restrained that california, the rising housing prices in elf can a. millions of poor people coming into this state have had no bad effects at all. will you concede that over population had any downside at all. >> the criminal element likes to pray on them. we have had a real problem. >> tucker: oh, they are the victims. this is like a parody. that kate steinle, it's the illegals. >> this is why we need congress to deal with the immigration issue. we need a solution. the put brought all together newt white house. he told them to make a deal and even said he would take the heat. yet, the republicans have chosen not to do anything about it. >> tucker: unfortunately we are out of time. one of the more hilarious conversations have ever had. i hope you will cock ball. great to see you. >> yeah, thank you. >> tucker: millions of americans are addicted to

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♪ >> tucker: another installment tonight in our series drugged the opioid epidemic is the worst drug crisis in the history of this country, every year drug overdoses kill more people in the entire vietnam war and vast majority of those are caused by opioids as you know by now.

twist past drug overdoses caused by american medicine. huge quantities of opioid painkillers are prescribed every year and created millions of addicts u not everyone is convinced opioids is to blame. doctor, thanks for coming on, i appreciate it. >> thanks for having moo, tucker. >> tucker: at the very infant stages of the current disaster, this epidemic, your organization, along with another released a statement and i just want to get your take on it now 21 years later. and i'm quoting studies indicate that the development of addiction when opioids are used for the relief of pain is low. furthermore experience has shown that known addicts can benefit from the carefully judicious use of opioid. in light of everything we have seen over the last 21 years, what do you make of that statement. >> i think we have learned a lot over the last 20 years around pain management. going back to that

treatment, it was stated that the risk for addiction was low. i think over time we have seen that there is a risk for addiction with patients and still a problem. but, using medications with the wrong patients, the development addiction problem or misusing the medicine can lead to all sorts of problems. shown that the risk of addiction from starting with pain substance abuse problem is at least 10% or little higher than that it's low but still significant. we really need to be careful who gets these mid sins and deciding if these are effective therapies. what's important, tucker, pain management isn't. >> tucker: of course. >> other options for our patients. >> tucker: take three steps back physicians almost universally trusted by people or trained to trust them. their job is to heal us. >> right. >> tucker: basically telling people to take more opioids and now we have tens of thousands of dead and whole communities destroyed and

the middle class life expectancy literally shrinking because you have this oh, sorry, we were wrong. wouldn't a more functional society punish people who said something like that? >> i think though the focus should obviously be on how do we assess who what is effective for this treatment. what types of treatment could they benefit from. so many other options for patients u and maybe a small percentage of patients need to be on opioids as part of their treatment plan. i'm not sure accuse hog is wrong or right. trying to figure out. >> tucker: there are all kinds of mistakes that people make and most of them are in good faith industry that makes the product using physicians to convince other physicians and the public to use more of the product, then i think it's fair to suspect there is a financial motivation and i don't want to be a lefty about it and i don't want to use the phrase greed is killing people. but it kind of looks like that a little bit. if you see what i mean. >> again, i can't speak for what a pharmaceutical

company might do. i would hope they would work in the interest of the patient. again, i really think the discussion should be on how do we assess patients for pain management and understand we have these other treatments for those patients. if they do develop an addiction problem, what are the resources for those patients. i think really we need to expand our understanding of pain management and deal with patients are suffering millions of patients with chronic page. and they need to have pain treated effectively. i'm not implying that they all need to be on opioids. there has been a lot done to radio kind of decide and stratifying patients, deciding which patients are at risk and which aren't. monitor patients better and hopefully that's where medicine is going and at least that will help from the prescription side see a reduction in the deaths related to opioid prescriptions. >> tucker: hold on, i wonder what you thought over the past 15 years what the

manufacturers thought when they saw it of course they know where their product goes they did see it there were counties in west virginia and kentucky that were getting by a factor of let's say 10 more opioid doses than they had people. wildly disproportionate to any conventional human need. clearly that's feeding a addiction u social disaster u and they didn't do anything about it where were you when that was happening. >> i can't say what was done in smaller communities. i have to say that there was in some cases diversification of medicines, there were pill mills, physicians or bad apples were prescribing knowingly these medicines were going to be abused and misused. i can't support of any of that. >> tucker: it was your group to help convince physicians to be looser in prescription of opioids. gotten extremely rich on the forbes list because of it. they knew this was happening and didn't do anything. i don't understand why. >> i think i would maybe

correct that and s. that our group, pain medicine and other pain associations and physician groups, the american medical association have been supporting, you know, appropriate management of chronic pain. and, again, whether that includes opioids or not. our goal has always been to assess patients. there is a number of different strategies physicians can use to, you know, help monitor patients to see if they are taking their medicines effectively. >> tucker: i get it. if you are suggesting that people use opioids in ways that they didn't before. that's what the statement we read suggests. isn't it incumbent on to you see how that turns out. you see like massive amounts of hydrocodone going to some pharmacy in florida or wheeling, west virginia, don't you get on the phone with the federal government and say whoa, whoa, whoa. there is something wrong here but no one did that. >> yeah, tucker, i'm not sure what happened at the federal or state level to be more aware of this criminal activity that was going on around that again, our focus was really and has been to really push for better treatment of chronic pain.

>> tucker: okay. doctor, thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: well, if you don't want your child to change his or her or pick a pronoun, the gender of a child. the government may have them taken from you. take your kids away because you don't want your child under aged to change his or her sex. where did all of this come from? is it based on science? do we resist it? author of the new book on this subject joins us. ♪ ♪ oh! there's one. manatees in novelty ts? surprising. what's "come at me bro?" it's something you say to a friend. what's not surprising? how much money matt saved by switching to geico.

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sally." he joins us now. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: try to be open minded i'm open minded about this. confused about. this came out of nowhere. ironclad consensus among elites not allowed to disagree. scientific discovery that i missed? >> this is the result of ideology. results of ideology that came out of alberta fell. activist lbgt as soon as they won on the lbg part they pivoted to the t part. what's shock something what they are doing to children. prescribing pursuant blockinpuberty blockingdrugs ans sex hormones testosterone to boyboy girls and hormones to boys. >> tucker: obvious questions but everyone is afraid to ask them sign something weird is going on. is there a science tells us

a good idea long term effects of this? does it work. >> there is no science or long-term study. they are conducting experiment on children. we have no idea what the consequences are of blocking a child's puberty and then giving a child estrogen or testosterone when he they are a boy or girl giving opposite sexes sex hormones. >> tucker: pretty sensitive about our children. you can't just put a additive in rice crispies and hope it works out well. how are we doing this to kids without any sense what the long-term consequences are going to be. >> experts think they can correctly identify which children are truly transgender and only block their tuck is there a blood test for that. >> there is not. cry steern here insistent, consistent and persistent. not just with teenagers u this is little kids. 5-year-olds are encouraged to socially transition. new name wardrobe and pronoun a grade school kid.

>> tucker: again, i'm open minded but, i'm suspicious because whenever you ask any question at all you get shouted down. >> right. >> tucker: why is that? >> unfortunately the left doesn't want to have the conversation. so what inspired me to actually write the book is that people need to know what the science is on this what the medicine is, what the philosophy is the best science shows that 85% to 90% of children with gender identity conflict will grow out of it best science shows 41% of people who identify as transgender will attempt suicide at some point in their lives. people after they have sex reassignment surgery 19 times more likely to die by suicide. those statistics are tragic. we need to hit the pause but ton and think more critically how we can help people suffering. obviously if you feel so distressed in your own body you would contemplate reassigning your sex, you're suffering and we need to have a more. >> tucker: i agree with that. >> effective response to these people. >> tucker: and open conversation. that's always a sign. i can't imagine what kind of

grief you are getting for this book. >> can you see my twitter time line. >> tucker: no, i just think whenever you try to shut down sincere questions. you are in the wrong. so i applaud you for asking those questions. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: russia has been the dominant story on television for more than a year all that's on television. a new poll suggests americans -- they don't care at all. one half of 1% list russia has top concern. huh? that story next. ♪ ♪

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♪ >> tucker: so the russia story is just huge. it's unbelievable. there is nothing more important. they hacked our democracy, putin is in charge. every american cares. we know that. i don't know how we know it because the new "u.s.a.

today" poll shows that literally less than 1% of voters say that so-called russian meddling is their top election issue for 2018. cnn hasn't seen the poll obviously or they don't care because tonight they are running something called trump and russia a cnn investigation which describes their programming every day. [laughter] it's pretty hilarious. we have been hearing about russia nonstop literally nonstop for more than a year. almost no information has come out to justify the obsession. none has come out to justify the claim that there was collusion. and most americans are no longer interested if they ever were. so what's called on here. a former regional director for barack obama's presidential campaign he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. this is confusing to me because normally you would say look, maybe the democratic party and their propaganda arm in the media didn't explain this well enough. that's not true. they actually worked really hard to make this palatable to unpack it as they say in the media. they have been relentless in

their presentation of this. and people still don't care. so why is that, do you think? >> why do americans not care? >> tucker: yeah. would do americans not care? >> because we have been hearing about this for over a year this is very ongoing. very little trickles out from an fbi investigation because mueller is building ace can a. he has got little tid bits of what house intel committee. that's about it after hearing about this for a year without much information coming out as it should not still building a case. there is not a lot to go on. americans are more concerned about what's happening at home with their pocketbooks. what's happening with their taxes. what's going on, when they are going to get their tax refunds there is a lot of other things i think that americans are concerned about right now. >> tucker: i think you are absolutely right there. i agree with you completely. it's sort of interesting. you are saying we don't really know anything, so why would they care? and yet the news coverage is literally wall-to-wall i'm

not overstating that. i have a bank of tvs in my office. i keep the sound off because it's masochistic to turn it up. i see the screen all day long, it's all russia all day long for more than a year. if we don't know anything, what are they talking about? >> you know, i watched about 10 minutes of rachel maddow and it was like an obsession. i understand that the media, you know, on other networks they are obsessed with. this but the public does seem to have lost interest in this. i totally understand why. we just don't have enough information now. maybe it f. more information came out. if we got the nunes memo, that was a big story. we got that. the democratic memo didn't seem to gin up as much interest. but right now the russian meddling story just -- it's just not really resonating with every day americans. >> tucker: i'm being unfair. really the core concern comes from their pay masters in the democratic party whose interest they serve. it's really democrats who

have been driving. this and we have had a bunch of them on this show. nice people. >> yes. >> tucker: if they don't know anything, why are they so obsessed and why aren't they talking about things that americans actually care about? >> i wish i knew. i take a lot of issue with my own party. we have -- there is a lot that we can improve on. we need a coherent message to deliver to americans other than just resist. we need to be giving them ideas where we can maybe improve their lives other than just giving them, you know, promises of resist. >> tucker: improving the lives of illegal aliens here and giving them citizenship and voting rights. i thought they shut down the government over that. remember that that was the top priority of the democratic party. do you think that's a winner in 2018? >> it wouldn't have been a winner for either party. i think, you know, honestly if we were to take apart that issue. it wouldn't have helped either party to have mass deportations of young people who are in college, maybe serving in our military. i'm a veteran. i serve with some of these

guys in the military. so, you know, i don't think that would have played favor with any, either party. so i understand the concern there. but, you know,. >> tucker: not too many -- served in the military, obviously. >> gosh, i don't have the number. >> tucker: i do. served in gang activity than served in the u.s. military just to put it in some perspective. >> i get what you are saying. i understand it's a legitimate concern. i'm a pretty conservative democrat. i'm more of a blue dog democrat. we probably agree on some of these things. >> tucker: you should tell your party the russian stuff if we find out trump and putin have been plotting the takeover of the west from the hot tub that's a real story. >> i would always say that, you know, the protection of our way of democracy is very important so i agree with that. >> tucker: we are trying. >> let's just let this thing run out and if trump gets exonerated he should be a happy man. >> tucker: there you go, robin.

good to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: up next update on the left's war on what they are calling toxic masculinity. pretty amazing. stay tuned. ♪ ♪ we recently had a heart attack. but we are not victims. we are survivors. we are survivors. we are survivors. and now we take brilinta. for people who've been hospitalized for a heart attack. we take brilinta with a baby aspirin. no more than one hundred milligrams... ...as it affects how well brilinta works. brilinta helps keep platelets from sticking together and forming a clot.

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masculinity. they announced the kenya grant was outright. minor victory but we we can celebrate. judge jeanine is in for sean. we will see you monday. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> judge jeanine: welcome to this special edition of hannity, democratic scandals. i'm jeanine pirro in for sean tonight. liberals are reeling from a rave of calamities that could have serious consequences. republicans are calling for a second special counsel to investigate the fbi's handling of the clinton email probe. congressman devin nunes continues to expose severe fisa abuses and former obama officials are facing new scrutiny. but, first, tonight, we start with the major battle raging between the trump administration and the liberal state ofor