nestle in tight, she's protecting them. you can check it out on eagle cam. most-watched, most trusted, most grateful you spent the evening with us, have a great week wee. ♪ >> tucker: welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," the nation's capital was all but deserted today after the entire federal government unexpectedly shut down due to an emergency. there wasn't an earthquake, there was an outbreak of war the actual reason it was windy today in washington. there was no rain and thunderstorms, it was nice out. but it was blowing briskly justa like it does in a lot of days in states like my own wyoming and montana. the federal workforce stayed home with pay.

can the rest of us deduct today's wind emergency from our federal taxes. we will ask around and get back to you on that. first the debate over the second amendment. we criticized the president for saying authorities are to confiscate guns first and worry about due process later. it is unconstitutional. we didn't want to leave the impression last night that the administration is the main threats to gun. rights or to due process, it's not. here is a reminder of how the other side feels about those things. >> force these christian men and women to do something. >> so many thousands of people are dying every year for this liberty. >> you have a whole generation of young people who see the nra as their enemy. it's like the kkk. it's a hostile force that's against them, risking their

lives. >> the bible warns us not to worship false gods. it does seem that much of america is indeed worshiping at the altar of the gun gods. >> were getting lectures on christianity from the media. trump did say something stupid about due process. the left has been opposing it for a long time. particularly on the subject of gun control. one was the last time you heard a democratic politician praised the australia version. they say it all the time. do you know anything about how australia implemented gun-control? confiscation, they took the guns awayay by force, not just by criminals and people who have been convicted of wrongdoing. the government of australia took guns from law-abiding people who had done nothing wrong. they punish the innocent, what that looked like? here is an ad for one of their confiscation efforts. it shows a naked man a prison

shower and warns the public to turn their guns and or else they will be sent to prison too. the government threatened law-abiding citizens with prison rate if they didn't surrender their guns. that's what liberals are calling for.ev if that's what the assault weapons ban is. democratss are pushing for a law that would outlaw more than 200 kinds of firearms as well as all guns that have various irrelevant cosmetic features like bayonet lugs and lots of other things. if that law passes and it might, you will be punished. you will have fewer rights. you have done nothing wrong. you never charge anybody. you have no plans to shoot anybody. it doesn't matter. democrats will treat youte the same way they treat convicted felons, unworthy to be trusted with firearms. their bodyguards will still have the most powerful guns available because they can. they are in charge and you are not.

the left is also demanded the government bar people who are eligible to vote and serve in the military to buy firearms. most people under 21 haven't done anything wrong. they haven't been convicted of crimes. a few of them have. democrats are saying almost be punished. imagine applying same standard to other constitutional rights. somebody shouted in a crowded theater and scores died. with the rest of us lose our rights to free speech? these are real questions, their inconvenient but we should remember this is a country worth living and precisely because we take the constitution seriously. when we stop taking it seriously it won't be worth living in. president trump seems to have remembered that,er many of the left never knew it and they don't care. you her progressive say they want an honest conversation about guns, we do too. we have invited the heads of almost every gun-control group to come on this show and tell us

what they believe. they have all refused to come on. they are delighted to appearr on cnn where they are celebrated and never challenged. we would like to have that conversation because we think it's important. founder and ceo of blueprint strategy, fix for coming on. it's an analogy but i think it's still worth talking about what i just mentioned them in minute to go about another constitutional right, freedom of speech. if someone were to misuse that freedom in a way that was illegal, would that mean the rest of us had to give up some of our rights to the freedom of speechld? > absolutely not, here's what we'll have to do. we have to take a deep breath and focus on the issue at hand. for me it's trying to figure out how we prevent another mass shooting in this country.

so oneo more parent doesn't have to do with burying their child. i don't want to make this about left or right, liberal or conservative, this is about trying to do something to prevent another mass shooting. >> tucker: i totally agree with that, i thinknk every decet person, maybe even some t nondecent people, nobody thinks these are good. we are all against them. the question is what do you do? there are policy solutions being floated. are they consistent with the constitution s? what is the solution to these shootings. >> we know that somewhere north of 65% of american people believe we should doet somethin. i'm not one of those people who thinks we need to take away everyone's guns. it's not true. i am a proud weapon owner, i appreciate being able to carry my gun it freely this country.

if you have mental health issues there is a good chance you should not be able to have a firearm. i'm from south carolina. my dear friend was killed in a church and charleston because he was able to purchase a gun. >> tucker: let's get to the first one. the law currently says if you have been adjudicated, you can't buy a gun. that's already the law. what changes wouldin you make? that's already the law. >> in different have different laws. >> tucker: i'm sorry to interrupt, that's federal.al that's on the federal form. the federal background check the doj does on every gun owner. if you buy a gun you have to fill this out. you aren't allowed to buy a gun if you are mentally ill.

what specific change would you make v? >> the word mental illness varies. we need to be consistent if we talk about mental health issues and that's one thing i would sa say. >> tucker: i want to get to the specifics, the specifics matter. >> they can go to a gun show or online and buy a weapon. >> tucker: we just saw that happen in w florida, a kid with mental illness was able to buy a gun because of school. >> we have to have comprehensive background check.

>> tucker: here is where we are having a bipartisanha conversation. we both agree dangerous people shouldn't have guns but what do you do specifically? tell me your solution. >> if you let me finish getting through, we are going to have to tighten up on closing the gap to make sure these laws are in place and make sure that error enforced.th there are laws on the books but we have to enforce them and strengthen them where we need t to. i think you can agree with that. >> tucker: if it's a kind of thing that jimmy kimmel cannot and feel virtuous. >> it means enforcing the laws on the books. >> tucker: let me ask you a question. there are close to half a a millionnm returning veterans frm iraq and o afghanistan, a lot of them are on medication because they have a mentalal illness.

should they be allowed too buy guns? >> i don't think so. you can fundamentally disagree. >> tucker: i'm searching for honest answers, i want to know what you thought. you said it honestly appreciate that. >> can i give you a few more things? >> tucker: almost out of time. >> regional people would agree that we need to make sure that if you are under the age of 18 you should not be able to purchase an assault weapon in this country. >> tucker: should you be able to carry one as a member of armed services at 17 which is nowwh the law? >> you are trained to fight a war as a member of the armed services. law enforcement and members of the military, i think that is the one exception. >> tucker: if we don't trust yougr to carry a gun, why are we trusting you to vote? >> that's apples and oranges.

you're not trusting people to carry a firearm but you can vote? >> when you go into the booth about you don't run the risk of being able to kill someone. >> tucker: there have been a lot of maniacs who have killed a lot of people elected to the ballot box. former secret searches servicee joined us tonight. a lot of people are saying here you have this kid who was 19, he was a nutcase he shouldn't have had a gun in the first place. maybe we should ban all people his age from buying guns. you say? >> i'm sick of liberals. of getting physically ill listen to them because they can't be consistent on an argument. what's fascinating about your prior h guest, i've argued witha liberals about gun control for

days now and they will make opposing arguments. just a few days ago, a guy said you have to be 20 want to buy alcohol. you're talking about the purchase of a mind alteringng substance. this guy comes around and talks about voting. he makes the opposite argument, they are apples and oranges, so our boos and guns. it doesn't matter. they will tell you the same thing about immigration laws and abortion laws. those laws don't matter, immigration.ho if we don't have to follow those laws. people don't and we should give them government benefits. abortion laws? they will all bel ignored. gun laws will really work. those willef definitely stop maniacs from getting guns and praying on the rest of us while we are all unarmed. this is so beyond a stupid that we are all losing iq points by debating with these people. >> tucker: we just won't mention the constitution which

guns are in the second amendment, that's not evenig there. i appreciate people who are sincerely trying to solve this problem because all of us recognize how horrible it is. are you started to suspect that a lot of these so-called solutions are not about making the public safer but about something else? >> five years of studying the issue and doing commentary on it, this is what people have to understand. there are two parallel tracks for gun owners. let's do this slow. you have a legal gun owners, yol have to go through a background check, fill out a 4473, you can't be a prohibited possessor. that's how noncriminals get guns. then you have a track number two. they don't care about track number one at all. you have a law that only impacts good law abiding people and does nothing for criminals.

let me ask you this -- what other law works like that? has tucker carlson ever thought about burglarizing house and said darn, you don't care about it all. good, let's have maximum penalties for burglary laws. gun laws are the only laws that affect the law abiding in him criminals one bit. they have a thriving black market for guns. >> tucker: immigration laws keep up to millions of potential software engineers but are ignored by 11 million people from the third world were living here because they don't care. it's a perfect example. thank you for that, i appreciate it. the big estate once the best estate looks nothing like it did, it's falling apart. lawmakers encourage defiance in the nation's laws, 120 so very wrong? will tell you next.

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>> tucker: more politicians in california are endorsing efforts to ♪ >> tucker: more politicians in california are endorsing efforts to directly resist federal law. last weekend of the oakland mayor warned residents of imminent ice raids allowing escape.s criminals to lieutenant governor gavin newsom who hopes to become the governor once jerry brown leaves is calling for other local leaders to do the same thing. travis allen is a california state assembly man. he joins us tonight. i haven't lived in california

for a while but does anyone notice that the state of california is an open rebellion against the united states. is that noted? >> californians are all scratching their head. i will tell you right now, don't believe the media reports. ordinary californians are shocked at what is going on in the streets of california. >> what do you think the core problem is, it was once the greatest state in l the union, look at popular media from 50 years ago. people sang about moving to california, people are fleeing now, what change do you think? >> what changed his demo decades of the democrats running the legislature.ot california democrats have controlled both houses of the legislature and jerry brown and his father have controlled california for the last 50 year years. as this has progressed we started to see our taxes go up,

ourur businesses leave, our peoe leave. we had 243,000 californians leaving taking $8 billion withh them. now we are seeing open lawlessness. we have the criminal attorney general of california l openly threatening california businesses. if you follow immigration law he is going to prosecute you. >> tucker: tell me about the quarter million californians who have left in the past seven years. those are normal middle-class people, the kind that you form a around. >> these are my parents, my parents have left the state. my best friend lives in texas where he doubled the size of his house into business and he pays no state income tax. i am an investment advisor and n addition to being an assemblyma assemblyman.

i can tell you my friends are and 22 states around the nation. >> tucker: do they know this, do they paying attention? the tech sector is doing well, you are sort of booming on either end. are they worried about the middle class fleeing? >> if you listen to jerry brown and gavin newsom it's as if they live in a bubble. understandable. if you are the former mayor of san francisco and you had maps of human waste, hypodermic needles on the sidewalk and opening heroin injection centers starting in july in san francisco, i think it might make sense to look the other way at the facts. that is the only explanation in california. one in five californians living below the poverty line. highest homelessness in the nation. the numbers go on and on. >> tucker: they destroyed something so beautiful and they should be punished for it, thank you.

u.s. news & world report has released their new best estate's ranking and they have bad news for the state of california. despite having a powerful economy, the most fertile farmland in the world, probably the prettiest physical environment and the planet earth, it was rated dead last in the quality of life if you can believe it. he still lives there, joins us tonight. how do you take a place that was world-famous as eden and in 50 years make it the worst place in america. others.on't blame the people who rund the state should take responsibility, don't w you think? >> is a complicated issue. if you are going to go 50 yearsk the population has well more than doubled in that time. because we have the natural beauty. >> tucker: were to the majority of those people come from, to they come from the midwest? they came from a third world

country do you think it might have something to do with it? >> it's a complicated issue. if you look at silicon valley a lot of them are coming from south asia, china, countries that you might think are poor but they have, and they have built tremendous businesses. we have a massive seek community. >> tucker: they have been great and they represent a tinyc percentage of the population of california. the overwhelming majority have come from latin america. a lot of them are awesome people and even the super poor ones a lot of them are great people. but the truth is if you import millions of the leap poor people with no education it doesn't mean they are bad people, but may be your state gets a lot more like the country they have left. can we admit that there were only pretending? >> the cost of living is extremely high. whenen you look at the u.s. new& world report and you look at how

they measure the quality of life the cost of living is withdrawing its way. >> maybe too many people are coming over the border and you're dealing with normal problems that come with overpopulation like really expensive housing prices, no? >> >> we love our green space so we district development. any time you restrict development, you are free martin got guy. you know that causes prices to go up. >> i'm going to show you a picture or a friend of mine took last week. this is the street right in front of his office. those are hypodermic needles, syringes that heroin addicts left there, is not green space. that's filth. if if your city looks like that, you have failed. can't you just admit that? >> i think there is a significant issue that happens in california, one eighth of our

homeless population, they came here from elsewhere.. this is a federal issue that californians are having to deal with. you don't die in a nor'easter here. in minneapolis where i grew up, people die because they freeze to death. >> tucker: houston is more temperate than san francisco but houston doesn't look like that. if it was just like the weather, houston which is bigger by a factoriv of five, there are non. >> we have more lenient drug laws here. >> tucker: it's run by liberals who aren't good at running things. >> we have a problem. if you're going to point out hypodermic needles, 65,000 people of your dying because of that. it plays into all of that including rural kentucky and rural ohio.o. san francisco is a big target and you can point out san francisco.

>> you want to concede that unrestrained immigration, the crowding in california, rising housing prices, millions of poor people coming into this state all.had no bad effects at unrestrained immigration in california has had any downside, any. >> the biggest downside is the criminal element like to pray en them and there's been a real problem. >> tucker: they are the victims. >> is not kate steinle was the victim, it's the illegals. t >> this is why we need congress to deal with the immigration issue. he told them to make a deal and said he would take the heat. but the republicans have chosen not to do anything about it. >> that's one of the most hilarious conversations i've ever had i hope you will come back. it's great to see you. >> tucker: millions of americans are addicted to painkillers, thousands are dyin

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♪ >> tucker: another installment tonight in our series drugged the opioid epidemic is the worst drug crisis in the history of this country, every year drug overdoses kill more people in the entire vietnam war and vast majority of those are caused by opioids as you know by now.

twist past drug overdoses caused by american medicine. huge quantities of opioid painkillers are prescribed every year and created millions of addicts u not everyone is convinced opioids is to blame. doctor, thanks for coming on, i appreciate it. >> thanks for having moo, tucker. >> tucker: at the very infant stages of the current disaster, this epidemic, your organization, along with another released a statement and i just want to get your take on it now 21 years later. and i'm quoting studies indicate that the development of addiction when opioids are used for the relief of pain is low. furthermore experience has shown that known addicts can benefit from the carefully judicious use of opioid. in light of everything we have seen over the >> tucker: in light of everything we have seen in the past 21 years what you think oft that statement, the risk for

addiction was low. over time we have seen there is a risk for addiction with patients and there's still a problem. using medications with the wrong patients, developing addiction problems, misusing medicines can lead to all sorts of problems. studies more recently have shown that the risk of addiction starting with pain and separate from having a substance abuse problem, is 10% or higher than that. it is low but still significant but we have to beo careful. i think what's important is that pain management isn't synonymous with opioid management. >> tucker: if you take three steps back, here you have physicians who are universally trusted, their job is to heal u us.ou telling us to take more opioids and now you have tens and

thousands dead, the middle class life expectancy shrinking because of this. then it's oh, sorry, we were wrong. one day more functional society punish people who said something like that? >> i think the focus should be on how do we assess who is affected for this treatment? there's so many other options for patients and a small number of patients need to be on opioids, but i'm not sure of accusing who was wrong or right. >> tucker: it's why i'm saying this, they're all kinds of mistakes people make and most of them are in good faith. if the industry that makes the product is using physicians, i think there's fair to suspect as a financial motivation. i don't want to use the phrase greed is killing people but it looks like that a little bit if you see what i mean. >> i can't speak for what a

pharmaceutical company might do, i would hope they would work in the interest of the patient. i think the discussion should be on how do we assess patients for pain management and understand we have other treatments. if they do develop an addiction problem, what are the resources for those patients? we need to understand pain management and deal with patients who are suffering. we have millions of patients withd chronic pain and they need to have their pain treated effectively. i'm not implying we all need to be on opioids. there has been a lot done to decide -- stratify patients, how do we monitor patients better. that's where medicine is going and hopefully from that, that's going to help from a prescription side you see a reductionn.

>> tucker: i wonder what the manufacturers thought, there were counties in west virginia and kentucky that were getting by a factor of ten more opioid noises than they had people, wildly disproportionate to any conventional human needs. clearly that is feeding a raging addiction, where were you when that was happening? >> i can't say what was done in these smaller communities. there was in some cases diversion of medicine, there were pill mills were bad apples were prescribing knowingly this medicine was going to be misuse misused. >> tucker: where with the manufacturers. it was your group that helped convince physicians to be loose looser. families got extremely rich because of it. they knew it was happening and they didn't do anything, i don't understandg. why.

>> i would correct that, our group has been supporting appropriate management of chronic pain. whether that includes opioids or not. our goal has been to assess patients, there's number of strategies they can use.ge >> tucker: if you are suggesting that people use opioids and ways they didn't before that's with the statement we read there suggests. isn't it incumbent upon you to see how that turns out? you see massive amounts of hydrocodone are going to some pharmacy in florida, don't you get on the phone with the federal government and say well, wrong here? >> i'm not sure what happened at the federal level or the state level to be more aware of this criminal activity that is going on. our focus has been to push for better treatment of chronic pai

pain. >> tucker: thank you for joiningou us. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: if you don't want your child to change his or her or the gender, the government may have taken it from you. take your kids away because you don't want your child under age to change his or her sex. is it based on science? can we resist it? and author of the new book on the subject joins us next. ♪ ♪ (vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. but you get to keep the memories. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. (avo) get 0% apr financing on all new 2018 subaru forester models.

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>> tucker: not to strong to say the transgender >> tucker: it's not too strong to say that transgender movement is sweeping the west. experts tell us contrary to common sense and thousands of years of consensus, gender is now fluid, it's not actually real and people can change it at will. if you disagree with that, you can get fired. ryan anderson is a hair heritage

fellow, author of a book when harry became sally. i try to be open-minded about this.. this came out of nowhere, it's now an ironclad consensus among elites, you're not allowed to disagree. is that the result of a scientific discovery that i missed? >> it's a result of ideology that came right after, as soon as they won in the lgb part they went on to the tea part. prescribing drugs to indefinitely delay a child's puberty and then cross hormones to try to transition them into theys opposite sex. >> tucker: is there any science that undergirds that? these are obvious questions but everyone is so afraid to ask them. is there science that tells us this is a good idea, does it

work? >> there is no robust science, there's no long-term study. they are conducting an experiment on children, we have no idea what the consequences are of blocking a child's pubertyn and giving a child estrogen or testosterone when they are a boy or a girl. >> we are pretty sensitive about our children, you can't just put an additive in rice krispies and hope it works out well. how are we doing this to kids without any sense of what the long-term consequences are going to be? >> the experts here think they can correctly identify which children are truly transgender and only block their -- >> tucker: is there a blood test? >> the criteria is that the child is insistent, consistent, and persistent. 5-year-olds are encouraged to socially transition.

>> tucker: i'm'm open minded but i'm suspicious because whenever you ask any question at all you get shouted down. why is that? >> the left doesn't want to have thed conversation. what inspired me to write the book is that people need to know what the science is, in the best science shows that 80-90% of children with a gender identity conflict will grow out of it. the best science shows that 41% of people who identify as transgender will attempt suicide at some point of their lives. after they have reassignment surgery, they are 19 times more likely to die by suicide. those statistics are tragic and we need to hit the pause button and think more critically about how we can help people who are suffering.od if you feel so distressed in your own body that he would contemplate reassigning your, you are suffering. we need to have more compassionate and effective response to these people. >> tucker: that is always a sign, i can't imagine what kind

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♪ >> tucker: so the russia story is just huge. it's unbelieva >> tucker: the russia story is huge, it's unbelievable. they hacked our democracy, vladimir putin is in charge.li

her a new usa poll shows that literally less than 1% of voters say that so-called russian meddling as their top election issue for 2018. cnn hasn't seen the pole or they don't care because tonight they are running something called trump and russia, a cnn investigation. we have been hearing about russia nonstop for more than a year . almost no information has come out to justify the obsession.co none has come out to justify the claim that there is collusion. most americans are no longer interested if they ever were. former regional director for barack obama's presidential campaign and he joins us tonight. this is confusing to me. normally you would say it may be the democratic party and their propaganda arm in the media just didn't explain this well enough -- that's not true. they have worked hard to unpack it as a set of the media.

theyre have been relentless in their presentation of this and people still don't care. why is that? >> why do americans not care. because we've been hearing about this for over a year, this is an ongoing investigation. very little trickles out from an ongoing fbick investigation because mueller is billing a case. we got tidbits of who has testified to the house committee, that's about it. after hearing about this for a year without much information coming out as it should not because they are still building a case, there's just not a lot to go on. americans are more concerned about what's happening at home with her pocketbook, what's happening with her taxes. one of they going to get theirir tax refunds, there's a lot of other things i think americans are concerned about. >> it's interesting, you're saying we don't really know anything so why would they care?

thers news coverage is wall-to-wall. i have a bank of tv's in my office, i keep the sound off because it's masochistic to turn itur up. i see the screen all day long. it's all russia for more than a year. if we don't know anything, what are theyey talking about? >> tucker: w i watched 10 minutes of rachel maddow and it was an obsession. i understand that the media on other networks, they are obsessed with this. public does seem to have lost interest in it. i understand why because we don't have enough information right now. maybe if more informationt came out, when we got the devin nunes memo, that was a big story, we got that. the democratic memo didn't seem to gin up much interest. the russian meddling story it just isn't resonated with everyday americans. >> tucker: i was unfair, the court concern comes from their paymasters in the democratic party whose interest they serve.

it's democrats who have been driving this, we have added a bunch of them on this show, nice people. if they don't know anything, why are they so obsessed and why are they talking about things that americans care about? >> i wish i knew. i take a lot of issue with my own party, there's a lot we can improve on. we need a coherent message to deliver to americans other than just resist. we need to be giving them ideas where we can improve their lives. other than just giving them promises of resist. >> tucker: improving the lives of illegal aliens, giving them citizenship and voting rights. theyha shut down the government over that. that was the top priority of the democratic party -- do you think that's a winner in 2018? >> it wouldn't of been a winner for either party. if we were to take apart that issue, it went have helped either partyty to have mass deportations of young people who were in college, serving in our military -- i'm a veteran, i

served with some of these guys in the military. i don't think it would've played favorites with either party. i understand the concern. >> tucker: moore have been busted for gang activity that have served in the u.s. militar military. >> i get what you're saying i understand is a legitimate concern. i'm more of a blue dog democrats. >> tucker: you should tell your party, the russia stuff. if they were trying to take over from their hot tub, that's a real story. >> the protection of democracy is very important, i agree with that. let's let this thing run out and if trump gets exonerated he should be a happy man.

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♪each bird keeps singin' his own song♪ ♪so long ♪i've got to be >> tucker: cathy areu told us about the need to ban words like mailman stamp out masculinity. it's killing us. never mind actual male testosterone levels have fallen drastically. we will address that next week. 600 grand to explore gender identities in kenya and find connection between terrorism and tough aggressive achieving men. much larger grant reaching up to 20 million that called in part for college exists to come pat quote harmful masculinity, male privilege and patriotic. we contacted both departments. we had good newsfuls once we exposed these programs they splibled up. the doj released new grant language that didn't mention

masculinity. they announced the kenya grant was outright. minor victory but we we can celebrate. judge jeanine is in for sean. ou monday. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> judge jeanine: welcome to this special edition of hannity, democratic scandals. i'm jeanine pirro in for sean tonight. liberals are reeling from a rave of calamities that could have serious consequences. republicans are calling for a second special counsel to investigate the fbi's handling of the clinton email probe. congressman devin nunes continues to expose severe fisa abuses and former obama officials are facing new scrutiny. but, first, tonight, we start with the major battle raging between the trump administration and the liberal state of california.