♪ ♪ >> dana: hello, everyone. i am dana perino with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, jesse watters, and greg gutfeld, whose phone is impossible to turn off. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five" ." the significant development, major breakthrough if true. kim jong un is signaling he is willing to denuclearize north. if the u.s. agrees to talk. the surprising news came out of a meeting between the dictator and a south korean delegation. president trump reacted with cautious optimism. >> we have come certainly a long way at least rhetorically. with north korea. it would be a great thing for the world, a great thing for

north korea, a great thing for the peninsula. we will see what happens. we have made progress, no question. >> dana: the president crediting sanctions as a motivation for north korea to come to the table. >> i think they are sincere but i think they are sincere also because the sanctions and what we are doing with respect to north korea, including the great help we've been given from china, they can do more. i really believe they are sincere. i hope they are sincere. >> dana: the president taking a cautious approach, skeptical but optimistic. not everybody feels the same way. john bolton, former u.s. ambassador, had this to say. >> the only thing north korea is serious about is deliverable nuclear weapons. by all accounts, they are very close to achieving an objective they've been after for 25 years. why do they want to talk now? i will bet you a dollar as we are sitting here today you are

going to hear almost immediately the united states has to contribute to the atmosphere. we've got to show good faith. prime the pump, all of which is code talk. i think you can count on this. north korea will get deliverable nuclear weapons before the end of the year. >> dana: john bolton with frank talk on north korea. >> greg: it's good to be skeptical. even if what north korea said is baloney, it's new baloney. skepticism should always be where you are from. what would you rather hear than this? if you are hearing something positive, sure, you would like them to say we are going to end labor camps and go to a free market system. in the spectrum of positive shifts, this is pretty good. and it is new. they are talking about getting together for the first time in ten years. i don't think they have talked about denuclearization as part of the plan.

if this happened under obama, the nobel peace prize would've been shipped amazon prime next day delivery. i thought trump's response was pretty reserved. it could happen, could not happen. i will take them at their word and see what happens. we all know bolton is very consistent on this. that's why he won't shave that mustache. >> dana: the president rightly saying that one of the ways, one of the reasons you have this new development about how it turns out is because the sanctions are starting to have an effect. >> rocket man is crazy. he this could be a ploy. at the same time, it's a positive development, as greg said. where are the democrats? the democrats have been saying that this tough talk would lead to war. all we need to do is sit down at the table. trump has gotten most of the point of potential diplomacy and

talks. no i don't hear anything from the democrats. the democrats will never give anybody credit, especially donald trump, when something happens positive, for the american people. i think both parties are responsible for this. pelosi, they called it crumbs. hairy reed wouldn't admit it worked. there were republicans who wouldn't give obama credit for killing bin laden. i get it. the media said this would lead to war. all these war games. the media should be discredited because it led to the opposite. it's because i don't report cause and effect. president trump says some things in border crossings are down and nato countries are ponying up money. isis is decimated. these are the results of trump rhetoric, action, and policy. the media won't tell you the whole story. they are only reporting things in isolation because they are dishonest. >> dana: i haven't heard the democrats say anything. >> greg: give them time.

>> dana: meaning they haven't said anything positive or negative. although it's just happened today. >> juan: here is what i have to say. if it snows in boston or new york city in the next two days, donald trump is right about global warming. that will be the proof. when he is talking about my button is bigger than your button then you will -- when you are talking that way to someone, we agree is a bit of a nutcase, kim jong un. americans have a right to worry why is the president engaging at that level with someone who is impetuous. it has brought us nowhere. >> jesse: historic negotiations. no. can i finish? >> juan: has nothing to do with donald trump's rhetoric. there's a better case to be made

if it has something to do with sanctions. the effect we've had in trying to get china and others, including russia, reluctantly to somehow give them credit. this is a result, the administration has said as much. they didn't like the idea of the two curios merging together at the olympics. they didn't like the idea of president moon of south korea engaging in talks independently potentially undercutting u.s. efforts. and now you get a result of the south korean. i am saying to sit here and say. >> dana: let me get kimberly in. not without possible concerns. there are -- we don't have an investor in south korea. >> juan: assistant secretary for asian affairs. >> dana: that's true. >> greg: oh, my god, what will

we do? >> dana: you had an opportunity for diplomacy. the trump administration would want reinforcements especially if one of the goals of north korea is to split off south korea from its strong alliance with the united states. that's what i was trying to say. [laughter] >> kimberly: well stated. >> dana: thank you, kimberly. >> kimberly: democrats, republicans, eight independents, undecideds, whatever you are, unregistered. you would be happy about this. why wouldn't you want to have an attempt at least at thoughtful consistent negotiations to try to work on eliminating, reducing the threat of nuclear war. if they're willing to come to the table and they are sincere and earnest and we will give it a very discerning eye, as ambassador bolton said. if the president didn't put out a tweet like this, you would see the liberals screaming crazy town. give peace a chance.

finger happy, you want to put your finger on the button. if he said little rocket man says he wants to negotiate, doubt it. >> dana: i like how they do this on north korea, the good cop-bad cop thing. rex tillerson said north korea threatens the entire global community. must be a global effort. he is trying. >> greg: part of the whole idea of what we were talking about with isis and stuff. unpredictability. it's kind of nice when america is the "crazy person" on the block. we have been the person that the crazy person says death to america. now we are the unpredictable person and the unpredictability resets the table with north korea. it's reset the table and other areas as well. you look at certain things. even with the immigration. we don't know what is coming.

things change because of that. i disagree. i don't think kim jong un is crazy. i think he's a rational actor. this is what he's doing to make sure he survives. i think he is figuring out this is going into a different phase. when he says something likely will do nuclearize if we feel you aren't -- that's a rational statement. like bolton says, he could be lying. the thing is, to jesse's point, which is true, and kimberly. you don't have to like donald trump to admit now and then that progress is made. none of your friends are going to think less of you because you can't admit that he actually did something pretty good. the problem is, he's done five pretty good things this year. >> juan: like what? >> greg: do you want to start with isis? the tax cuts, north korea? >> juan: i will give it to you but i am saying what john bolton

said has real significance. for 25 years of the north koreans making what looks like, oh, let's have some talks. and then they do nothing. >> jesse: a month ago juan would've talked about everything else. [all speaking] the president doesn't trust him also. he said we are where ready to go hard every way. they do push. i think trump is going in there with wide and clear eyes. if they try to wiggle out of it, it's a handout. then he's going to get out of there. that's rational. wouldn't you agree? >> juan: to me, the important thing is, protect american interests in that region. i don't think he, what you argued, caused the meeting.

>> jesse: may be rex tillerson rex tillerson. >> juan: it is not rex, it's the south korean president. >> dana: we have beaten this horse to death. we will have more. if you have never heard of sam nunberg before, i bet you know his name now. the wild media circus over the x ex trump aide.

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>> greg: last night a low-level former trump aide was all over the networks. acting erratic, angry, armed with little real information. still, the media ate it up. >> what do i have to spend 80 hours going over emails? it would be funny if they arrested me. i think my lawyer is going to dump me. what do you think mueller is going to do to me? >> i am not a lawyer. i i don't know. >> trump may have very well done something during the election with the russians. if he did that come i don't know. >> talking to you, i have smelled alcohol on your breath. >> well, i have not had a drink. >> anything else?

>> no. >> no. >> no. besides my meds, antidepressants. is that okay? >> not good. >> greg: msnbc called it historic. for everyone else it felt odd. reminds me of the footage of someone i airplane flight. it is so much fun to watch. or when someone loses her temper at the store and is showing a clerk. with so much fun to watch. just like high school. when a fight breaks out, we crown around her watch. thanks to the plethora of cameras, the person having a really bad day becomes a delightful segment. it's obvious here. when it comes to news, we have lost perspective. in overdrive to fill the daily recommended allowance of anti-trump. everything becomes a banner headline including a poor guy acting manic either caused by drugs, booze, or roger stone. hard to tell the one newscaster

accused nunberg of drinking. if you smell the booze, why did you have him on? where the optics to goodridge you know he was going to dump all over trump? we love a good meltdown, real or contrived. until it's us doing the melting. then we hope there isn't a camera nearby because if there is, all compassion goes out the window. it's hard to tell. is this a publicity stunt? was he really messed up? was it the roger stone production? >> dana: i know he's been a big admirer of roger stone. something like print, something outrageous. i don't know. i have never sam. i think once you see somebody do an interview with one reporter and then dialing around to see who also have me. jake tapper had done a long phone interview with him. the news has been made. i think it's inappropriate to ask somebody about, even if you

do think they are drunk. the better thing to do, i hope of the war the -- if i were int situation, i would say were going to commercial break. it's unnecessary. he had been on air for five hours. i wonder if we were given the opportunity to talk to john doe of the state department during the obama administration who had a lot of information about benghazi, i can imagine it's tempting. i can't say what would've happened. that's hypothetical. this guy is going to end up talking about grand jury. he has met with mueller informally. he's going to have to do it. i don't know if this was to make them look like he's maybe out of his mind. if you can't have that testimon testimony. >> greg: that's a good point. thank god nobody asked me if i was drinking. my goodness. kimberly. >> dana: we are going to go to commercial break.

>> greg: what do you make of this? >> kimberly: i think it is sort of rich that cnn, that they are going after him. your favorite subject about how everybody, new year's eve, drinking. it's hilarious. are you? okay, you want to know. the irony. i'm telling you i am full of great points. also i think the fact that she would do that, it's unseemly. why would you do that? it seems like politics, personal destruction. he's agreed to come on your show. were you trying to judge, pulling them over on the side of the road. what is back to try to shame or humiliate. if you have serious questions to ask, let him answer. and then ask a follow-up. that's journalism. >> greg: jesse, they wanted

him on. >> jesse: trump hires the best people. [laughter] we also know, remember you go on five shows. the full nunberg, you go on drunk. i don't blame cnn or msnbc because this guy had gotten subpoenaed and it's kind of a big story. i would get drunk if i got subpoenaed by mueller too. i get that. it is sleazy. cable news is sleazy sometimes. if it bleeds, it leads. this guy was a wounded animal, put them on. what i don't like the network news went into the gutter and took the sky in the afternoon and by 6:30 he was completely discredited. they made that the lead. even though the guy contradicted himself. he said trump colluded. then he didn't collude. and then he said carter page

colluded. then he said he had never met carter page. he said he invented the wall in the travel ban was his idea. the guy was clearly intoxicated. the networks ran with it like it was serious stuff. that's what i don't like. >> greg: with charles gasper reno, talk to him said he might've been drinking. not charles. sam. juan. you are not drinking right now, are you juan? [laughter] >> juan: i am a little puzzled by this conversation. the man was subpoenaed by robert mueller, says he's not going to go before the grand jury. that is news. that's not fake news. that's reality. if i am a journalist might want to talk to this guy and he wants to talk. the business about drinking, let me tell you. a lot of that was coming from the trump white house seeking to undercut what he was saying. and so you have aaron burnett

almost saying well, this is being said about you by important people in washington. in the white house. how do you respond. it does look like, as you described, and injured animal. he was saying a lot of wacky stuff. nonetheless, there is no question was news. a very important bit of news because he was offering information from the subpoena so we could gauge what it is robert mueller is looking at. where is this investigation going. to me, this is incredibly important. i loved it, stephen colbert said something to the effect that what nunberg was saying to mueller about "lock knee up," he says that is like saying to hannibal lector "eat me." you might've been angering president trump but the person with the power in the moment.

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>> my opponent is raising a ton of money. doesn't hurt that chuck schumer came down to texas and brought his liberal buddies with him. they would love to see texas have an antigun, big government, pro-amnesty liberal democrat represented. >> juan: you have a situation where not only his own work getting a lot of money but democrats are turning out in record numbers twice the rate of voter turnout for democrats, early vote in the 2014 election. >> greg: the turnout is driven by one thing. the desire to undo a previous election. if you can get the few senators and new congressman in there, you can get impeachment because you can't win on the issues. you have the two big issues, economy and foreign policy. trump is doing an excellent job.

>> juan: jesse, you had a situation in texas, whether or not texas may be a harbinger of things to come. every seat, every one of the 36 congressional seats in texas now has a democrat challenging. >> jesse: the texas democrats are getting very organized. there's a lot of people from blue states moving to texas for tax purposes. there's a lot of young americans going to college in texas. a growing hispanic population. i don't think they are going to turning blue. i've been think that's a -- i think it's a pipe dream. i think ted cruz has a competitive race. he will keep the seat. the national party is going to have to spend a lot of extra money to make sure he secures it. takes money away from other more competitive senate seats. >> juan: kimberly, we are a week away from a special election in pennsylvania. you have rick saccone, the

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situation in pennsylvania where people are saying could it be that president trump, who won the district by 30 plus points. has decided to start talking about tariffs because that might appeal to some of the steelworkers union folk in the district and therefore help the republicans. >> dana: i had rick saccone on the show and he said he supports it. there are a lot of union members in the district that happened to be the same week the supreme court heard arguments about whether or not a union should be allowed to demand money from union members in order to spend it on political activities even if they don't agree with those political activities. it was a little bit like welcome i'm not exactly sure. it's a tough district. democrats try to win texas reminds me of republicans he said for years they could won pennsylvania and then trump won pennsylvania. i think, i don't think ted cruz will lose. i think democrats will pick up

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>> jesse: fox news has confirmed president trump's top economic advisor gary cohn has resigned. president trump said gary has been my chief economic advisor and did a superb job driving our agenda, helping deliver an historic tax cuts and unleashing the american economy. he was a rare talent and i think him -- saying him. from mr. cohn, it's been an honor to serve my country and enact pro-growth policies. in particular, the passage of historic tax reform. grateful for this opportunity and wish the president and the administration great success. kimberly, he came from goldman sachs. great pedigree. very successful on wall street. he was considered what people say of the white house who didn't like him, a globalist. not an american nationalist,

more concerned about the world economy and not necessarily a defender of the american manufacturing sector. had internal flights with members of the administration. some people are speculating he may have resigned in the wake of president trump saying he is going to enact steel tariffs. >> kimberly: i think he's obviously a highly competent individual, well-regarded at goldman sachs. people thought he was more of a globalist. i think he is somebody that wanted to serve the country, worked hard. the president liked his organization. charts, color-coded, he liked it. he was very organized. i like organization. dana perino likes organization. that was very good. he felt he had kind of provided the opportunities in the help and the assistance to the president and the country. the president made a tweet

saying there might be staff changes. this was expected. there was discussion about cohn, mcmaster, and chief of staff john kelly. you're one of those people leaving the president. i also note he's been very close with jared and ivanka. that was that -- like a triumvirate. he wasn't a big proponent of exiting the terrorists climate change accord. he knows the economy and he was helpful to the president in that regard. what does president trump do? >> jesse: always hires the best people. >> juan: [laughs] >> jesse: what is so funny, juan? >> juan: that is hilarious. how many people come and go.

so quickly. to me, what kimberly said about kushner's at the forefront. he was part of the kushner wing of the trump white house. kushner is on very thin ice, having his security clearance downgraded. can't really function properly in the white house. charges of nepotism. "wall street journal" single home. >> kimberly: ivanka will stay. >> juan: gary cohn is so respected on the economic side, now he is out. it is chaotic. >> jesse: markets might not like it. >> dana: i think he's been a loyal public servant. when you said, globalist cares more about the global economy than the american economy, i think he would say it's not true. he is resigning on principle because he cares about the american economy, especially tax

reform and deregulation, very much helped the united states economy. on principle, decided to resign. that's when you know you have a loyal public servant. if you feel you've given your best advice. guess what. sorry. the president is the president. i can give you my best advice and if you don't take it, if i feel strongly enough that it's a bad decision and i should resign, i think we should welcome that. doesn't always happen that way in washington. >> jesse: he had a good run on the economic side. >> greg: that he did. a typical globalist would say that, dana. the point is if you want cheap goods, goods people can afford and you want to spread the wealth, if that makes you a globalist, then you are a globalist. i am so tired of that phrase. i think the phrase has been, it's become a knee-jerk thing to say what trump isn't. the fact is, we are all

globalist. >> kimberly: like we are all dreamers? >> greg: we are globalist dreamers. this is about protectionism. he was a big proponent of free trade, obviously cohn was. the problem with populism, one day you -- trump will say he's a free market but then talk about protectionism. i think cohn was hoping, he knew it was going to come up. hoping it wasn't going to be this quickly. >> dana: meeting tomorrow. >> juan: one of the realities of last week was he was supposed to have the ability to review and talk to the president before the decision. the president just did it. >> jesse: there is even more drama on tv. "the bachelor." a guy dumped his fiancee on national tv. everyone went crazy.

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very important advice. how not to break up with your fiance. whatever you do, don't do it on national television. another tip: don't propose if you are in love with someone else. last night, disastrous "the bachelor" finale. >> i wanted it so bad for us, but there was something that was holding me back. i can't go through with it. i love you so much. >> i love you. >> becca, will you marry me? >> of course. >> do you want to be back with her? >> i want to see if there is that possibility. >> are you [bleep] kidding me?

>> are you okay? >> leave. what are you still doing here? >> kimberly: ripping becca's heart out after blind sighting her with the news he wants runner-up lauren instead. abc under fire for televising the breakup. what is going on? greg is delighted. he is "the bachelor"'s biggest fan. >> greg: you dodged a bullet. there's a bigger loser than that dude. when he enters a room, the median i.q. of the group drops 5%. he is the dumbest man on television. you know what socked about this? the only reason why he broke up with her was he was going to go with the blonde he dumped before. he had to check and see if she were taken back. he wanted a backup wife. if the blonde didn't agree to go back with him, he wouldn't have broken up with this girl.

he is such a coward and a wimp. you know this guy, he is a cad. they don't want to make choices about life. they don't want to make a decision. they would rather string people along. >> kimberly: you can tell by the tilt of his head. >> greg: i can't stand his voice. he is so annoying. that's why i watched the show, just to hate him. >> juan: wait a second. >> greg: i wanted to throw things at that guy. >> kimberly: greg going very negative. >> dana: if you are lauren, wouldn't it be best if tonight you dumped him back. >> greg: but you won't. he never would've done the other thing. this is all planned. >> kimberly: greg has been heavy on the online bachelor forums.

dana's advice is fly the friendly skies and find a has-been up there. jesse, do you know anything about this? i am concerned about the similar hairstyle. >> jesse: arie's hair was the color of mine earlier in the season. i'm so surprised it didn't work out. i watched every season of "the bachelor" except this one. i missed the most dramatic season. this was the most dramatic season. this guy was a tool. he never should've been cast as the main guy. i don't know why they did. i will tune into 90. i am going to dvr "hannity." >> kimberly: oh, my goodness. juan, what do you think of this fiasco? >> juan: will jesse marry

hannity? tucker may come back from vacation. i have to say i've never watched a minute of this. i think it is tawdry. it's a serious thing to do. the idea that you televised it, i guess that's what it is. reality tv. we want to see someone in pain and weeping. i think, go read a book. >> kimberly: before he could get a word out. i want to save america. >> greg: he deserves some kind of punishment that he got away with. >> jesse: he's going to get it tonight. if the whole crowd hates him and both girls i'm not so sure are happy. and the host hates him. it's going to be a bloodbath. it's going to be nunberg all

over again. >> kimberly: abc is loving it. everybody's going to watch it. he's the villain. he's going to be on "dancing with the stars" next. impossible. "one more thing" is up next. ♪ last night took a l, but tonight i bounce back. ♪ what's an l? the rap singer took a loss and now he's ok again. right.

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>> it's time for one more thing. jesse. >> if you love america, you will like my one more thing. >> [laughing]. >> the bald eagle. this footage in montana. whoa, that's a closeup shot of a bald eagle swooping down and scooping up its prey. god, i love this country. >> [laughing]. >> and i am going to be on "hannity" tonight at 9 o'clock. >> that's why you wanted to watch if. >> [laughing]. >> watch "hannity" live. >> yes and the other jesse. >> yes. >> oh my god. >> come on, man. kimberly. >> [laughing]. >> lots of animation today. folks. everyone is excited about this because it's oreos. this is national oreo day. >> oh, okay. >> [laughing]. >> jesse will partake in this.

he loves oreo. oreo is giving away 1 million free oreo chocolate candy bars. >> eww! no. >> this was createed in 1912 by the national biscuit company nabisco. it's healthy market in manhattan. >> do you prefer double stuff? >> yes and lick it off. >> talk about love. >> all right. that was kimberly. juan is next. >> all right. you might have seen this image last week. it went viral in every way. that's 2-year-old parker curry staring at former first lady's michelle obama portrait. she invited the young woman to

her office for a meeting and a dance matter broke out. >> ♪ >> ♪ >> that little girl did not know that michelle obama had been first lady. she thought she was looking at a queen. miss curry looked like a queen herself. >> she is the cutest. look at that. >> that's fun when you can bring joy to a child. >> okay, i am the cutest! let's do it. >> shake it off. >> greg's i have a lot of free time to do stuff news. i focus on somebody with free time. this guy. look at what he he was able to build a perfect circle out of pringles without using any glue just employing the basic physics. >> you said you had the best one

more thing and i have to agree. >> you don't like the american eagle? >> what about my oreos. >> [laughing]. >> the american eagle could fly into the pringle-ringle. that's from the action lab. >> do you have anything else for one more thing? >> is yours really that bad. >> [laughing]. >> you are like trying to stretch it out. >> stall tactic. >> there will be a storm tonight. a nor'easter. we are not the only ones trying to stay warm. check out this creativity in new york. somebody decided to crochet sweaters for the trees. >> that's crazy. >> the city was going to take them all down because it's a violation. >> it is. >> the business owners said this helps bring customers. you have to get a tree work permit. >> the tree doesn't have a choice. that's tree-ist.

>> but dehasio said yes. >> he is one of them. he is a tree. "special report" is up next. bill in for bret. save me. >> bill: i am trying. a fox news alert. house republicans now calling for second special prosecutor after leggalleged abuse from th fisa program. we will talk live with two men in a matter of minutes. first, though. breaking news from the white house. president trump is losing another one of his key advisors. chief economic aide gary cohn is stepping down. coming on