the latest reviews. the lowest prices. >> president trump commenting this morning on the deadly shooting at a veterans affairs facility in california. our own adam housley is there with the latest on what's going on. it was an awful tragedy there. >> yeah, david, one that we're close to at fox. this is my hometown, yountville, and it was first built by civil war veterans. and the pathway home, we believe he graduated the program. it was set to treat those with the severe cases the of ptsd: va has given up on most of the men here and it's a private location in a facility here on

the actual site of the veterans home of california. yesterday 10:30 a.m. local, the reports were shots were fired here and police responded. there was some gunfire exchanged with the kill earen he went back into the pathway home facility and it's in the middle of the veterans home in california and that's the last time there was contact. that's almost 24 hours ago, roughly 22 hours ago. for hours it went on here. they had at least two hostages, possibly three. ended up being three hostages, plus the gunman himself. unfortunately, later in the evening, maybe 5:30 local time, i first got word from some of the police officers here who i've grown up with, many of them volunteered for this program, that there was no sign of life inside and the only question was it two or three hostages dead with the gunman. unfortunately, one of those women murdered here was also pregnant. now, we did hear from the president this morning, in a tweet. the president put out this statement about what happened

here via twitter, it says, quote, we are deeply saddened by the tragic situation in yountville and more on the loss of three incredible women who cared for our veterans. that came from the president this morning and tell you, david, it's hit close to home here in the little town of yountville. this veterans home has been here for generations and yountville is in the napa valley. when we did the story a few years ago, we were at the bowling alley who was there with the veterans, trying to get them to integrate into society. and we highlighted it a number of times and including a movie and at least one other set yup that was done by the smithsonian. this is truly heart breaking for those who are lost here and right now, it's really uncertain whether this program will go forward and how it will go forward, if it does. david. david: i remember those segments so well, adam. it is a great program and it's

an absolute tragedy that women who gave their lives to this program literally came to this end, go ahead, adam quickly. >> david, yeah, you make a great point. two of the women killed, actually approached us, we were doing a different story three months ago, four months ago and approached my photographer and i to do a follow-up and e-mailed us, one of the women killed here and to hear that and tell people at home the significance of how well they had done. they treated almost 500 men here and trying to open up a women's program as well. they were the ones that the va had given up on for the most part and of the over 500 men over 90 percentile succeeded in overcoming ptsd and this is unfortunate. david: it's important to point that out. thank you, adam. appreciate it. sacrament sacramento sheriff scott jones joins us now. with those who aren't familiar with the map, yountville is west

of where you are. were you called in on this situation? >> no, we were not mostly chp and napa county sheriff's office and they had enough resources so we weren't called. david: it's a terrible tragedy. i want to move on to immigration, if i may. that's why we called you up for the interview in the first place. you guys in california are in a very difficult position. law enforcement, where you were stuck between a state that is advising you not to cooperate with federal officials, and federal officials who are advising you to cooperate with them. how do you survive in a pull and tug like that? >> well, it's very difficult. thanks for having me on, i appreciate it. this is not the first thing, the most sensational is the sanctuary state bill. we've had the trust act and the truth act and all of this is in the state law, federal law, neither, but never both, but i've personally gone back to

washington during the last administration, what are you going to do, are you going to assert your supremacy. being an attorney i understand the conflict between state law and federal issues. david: let me ask you, have you been advised by state officials not to cooperate with federal officials? >> well, in a sense. you know, as far as the community involvement and doing operations with ice, really no california law enforcement does that and we're no different, although that's what they try to portray to get this thing sold. for our concern and mainly the sheriffs because we're in charge of corrections, the piece that we needed to maintain was our relationship with ice inside of our jails where the bad guys already are and they can-- >> the bad guys are being let out. >> that's the problem. david: essentially what the oakland mayor did, she tipped off a lot of bad guys and these are not dreamers we're talking about, these are many hardened criminals were given a tip that the feds are coming from this woman. doesn't that endanger people in your community? >> well, it does.

it endangers them because it allows very dangerous people to go unapprehended, but endangers the lives of officers going out to try to serve warrants and pick up these folks that have advanced-- that have advance notice that the officers are coming. whatever they might be inclined to do, this puts the ice officers and other officers-- >> have you tried to reason with the oakland mayor? you're not all that far from oakland that what she is doing is endangering people in your community that you have sworn to keep safe? >> you know, i haven't talked directly with the oakland mayor. i think that was probably the tipping point or at least one of them, why the federal government finally decided to assert supremacy and get some clarity as far as the immigration law. i've talked to the attorney general about it and why he believes-- >> what has he said to you? >> for example, i asked him directly if he thought that california was on equal or greater footing to pass immigration law than the federal government and he asserts, of course, he has said publicly

many times, it's not immigration law that california is passing, it's public safety law affording to the 10th amendment. the 10th amendment is 28 words long and basically says anything not reserved by the feds gets to the states. you don't get to that analysis because clearly immigration is left entirely to the federal government. that's the battle we're on. it's not trying to invalidate everything california has done. the attorney general i met with after remarks here with law enforcement leaders privately, i think his intent was to be surgical and try to invalidate certainly conditions that-- >> well, without getting into it, it's a simple argument. if the people are being endangered by these policies, they've got to be stopped and puts you guys in a terrible position between the feds and state. we've got to leave it at that. we appreciate you coming here. >> my pleasure. david: you probably remember andr andr andrew pollack's emotional plea

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pollack for making it happen. he's making this a mission after losing his daughter meadow in that horrific school shooting. and with us is andrew pollack, first appearance since getting that signed yesterday. and first of all, i want to say i know and i would encourage people out there to pray for meadow's eternal soul and family because i understand it's helping you in doing what you're doing, no? >> yes, dave, thank you. it's empowering me to keep moving on and continue with my mission. and my mission is not to just have it done in florida, but to continue on and go to every state and meet with every governor across the country and have them do the right thing before there is another tragic event. david: does this florida bill make schools safer? >> yes. let me explain that what happened in florida, you know,

dave, the country is so divided right now, the left and the right, so, what happened in florida is historic. myself and like you heard, the governor on the clip, ryan, another father, we were up in tallahassee, and what's historic is we were able to get the left and the right to come together, put away-- put aside all political differences and focus on what the american people want and what we all want is our kids safe in school. that was the main focus. so, and we were able to come together and it was pretty incredible to see it in front of my eyes, and it was something that i'm very proud of that we got this done in florida for all of these kids and parents and grandparents. david: as you know, everything is not completely rosie now. i mean, you had the n.r.a. is suing the state of florida for this and because of one part of it does increase the age at which you have to be in order to

purchase some of these guns, increases from 18 to 21. that's why the n.r.a.-- so, i remember so well. i was covering when you were at the white house and you were delivering that extraordinary, turned into a speech, but i know you didn't mean it to be so, but about your daughter and what this meant and you said i don't want this to be about guns. we can talk about guns later. this has to be about keeping our kids safe. >> correct. david: that's what this is about. but, it does, in a way, with this n.r.a. lawsuit, it is turning into guns in a way, no? >> well, that's the problem with the media, dave, that they're twisting it. already, if you look on a lot of the other news channels and tv, on newspapers, it's all about they're making it like gun legislation, but the whole bill is really mostly about keeping our kids safe, about mental illness. there's so many good qualities in the bill and for them to just

mention the word gun, it's just -- it's not doing, it's not even helping, so, they've got a different agenda. my agenda is the school safety and if anyone wants to look at the bill, they could see it. i have it posted at remembermeadow.com and you can go through the bill, dave, and there's so many good things and you see them mention one little thing in it, which it saddens me when i saw that. david: now, how are you going to try to duplicate in other states what you've done in florida. florida, you were familiar with the legislature, et cetera. is this going to become a model what you've done in florida for other states? because every state is different. >> well, that's-- so, what was very important on getting this bill passed was i wanted florida lead by example. so i have something now that we accomplished, which was great. bringing the two parties together. so i'm putting together with the

help of the governor and pam bundy, i'm going to put together a draft bill that i think we could streamline across the country after what i experienced in tallahassee, i'm going to put something together that's going to be simplified and i'm going to be able to go to every governor in the state and get them on board to be proactive and just helping our kids, dave. the american people, that's what we want and i want to be their voice. i want to go state to state and be the voice of the people and make sure no one else has to feel what i felt. david: one of the things that must be very disturbing to you is all the missed signals there were with this shooter himself and indications that not only local officials, but also federal officials, the fbi in particular, lost opportunities to get this guy and prevent him from doing harm before he did. is there anything specific within this bill that would prevent those kind of missed

signals from happening again? >> oh, there's one thing that the media leave out, which is really important, that governor scott had put in this bill and the speaker of the house that they worked on. it's going to give the police the ability that when they get called out. say you call the police on your neighbor, he's acting irrational. the police go out to that person's house, they witness him and now able to take him to a hospital to be baker acted or get him-- you know, going to be able to have him checked out and then the police, they're going to have the ability to go through that person's house and confiscate the weapons. so, if that bill was in place, just that part of the bill, my daughter would be alive. so they would have been able to take any weapon in the house and confiscate it. so that's just one part of the bill that my daughter would be alive. david: you know, you've had such negative feelings and emotions and energy going around in your soul over these past few weeks.

i'm just wondering if you have any left for what happened with those mixed signals and the missed signals, the fbi missing indications that the shooter was a madman or that local police officials dropped the ball so often. do you harbor any grudge against them? >> oh, dave, i don't think about it because i know they're going to get theirs. i want to focus on all my energy that's coming through me, 'cause right now, i'm unstoppable. i can't be stopped. so, i want to focus all of that energy on positive stuff and prevention. that's all going to come out, all of that stuff, there will be lawsuits, they will be in court. they're going to-- and they have to live with that, all of that incompetence so i'm going to take what's-- my energy and move forward, and that's my mission. david: well, you have so many millions, literally millions of people that are pulling for you for what you're doing that are

praying for you and your daughter. you mentioned remembermeadow.com. what would you say finally is the best way for all of us who care so much about you and your family, for us to honor your daughter's memory? >> sure, first you mentioned the prayers. and something's happening. so, everyone who is praying, it's definitely working. i have a-- i can't stop. i can't even tell you the energy that i have from everybody, i feel it. number two, i had a vision, dave, sitting at my house that it's going to come true. i had a vision not of going to the cemetery and looking at my daughter's grave. i had a vision of an unbelievable playground like a princess playground that my daughter would be so proud to run around in, instead of going to a cemetery, i have some people working on building this prayground in coral springs where i'm going to be able to go

and sit on a bench and watch the kids play, so, if anyone's out there and wants to help that vision come true, they could go to remembermeadow.com and see what's going on with the playground, but more importantly, also, they could follow me on my crusade across the country because there's strength in numbers, i've learned, when it comes to lawmakers and i want to be able to help the people. that's my mission. i want to be able to help the kid and all the grandparents out there. no grandparent or parent should ever have to go through what i did and bury a child. david: there's strength in numbers and strength in prayer, no doubt about it. you're an inspiration, andrew thank you very much. our players are with you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. ? we've been helping you prepare and invest for retirement since day one. why would we leave now? because i'm retired now. so? we're voya. we stay with you to and through retirement...

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>> breaking news on that terror situation. japanese and the european union this morning, calling on to be excluded from the tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. with the eu chief says as a close trade and security partner of the u.s. the eu must be excluded. back with forbes media editor in chief, steve forbes, forbes magazine bruce japson and therese, good to see you all. steve, japan-- we already have mexico and canada excluded. >> right. david: at least until they finish the nafta negotiations. now we have japan and europe. who is left? i don't think there's many left? >> south korea, brazil and some others. i think what this goes to show, david, that this broad tax was not going to work in terms of dealing with trade abuses and i hope the lesson of this, we focus on real trade abuses with

china and their merchantilist policies and not end up shooting up our allies. david: bruce, it's kind of a strange situation. you usually end up siding with unions in situations like this. in this case the unions support what president trump has been doing with regard to tariffs. what do you feel on this? >> well, i mean, some of them do. i talked to some steel workers union this week and they were saying that this-- they're worried about their sound bite is that steel is not of high quality, so it seems like you could solve that through a trade agreement over a tax and one of the things that even the steel workers aren't understanding is that, you know, we export a lot of steel. and so, you could-- and this whole thing that trump is doing could backfire and that wouldn't be good. david: therese, it could backfire also because so many workers involved in manufacturing are using steel and they're going to have to pay more. it's not only the consumers that are going to end up paying more, but it's some people could lose their jobs. some workers working with steel

who have to pay more and maybe some of those companies have to lay workers off. >> i mean, the 2003-- 2002-2003 steel tax was a great case study in what happens when you institute a tariff. 200,000 american jobs in steel using industries were lost and some of these jobs were lost in key states that president trump won. so, i think it's history tells us these are not a very good idea. is it important for us to have very strong trade agreements that, you know, that don't put the united states at a disadvantage? absolutely, but we do-- we don't want to abandon free trade and the benefits that it provides for our country. david: and i think, steve, what we have seen over the past couple of days, when the president has rolled back a lot of these-- a lot of the real toughness on the tariffs, when it first came out, they were saying, all of his advisors saying no exemptions at all and now saying several exemptions and there may be more. i think the president is realizing that and is dialing

back the whole process. >> that's right, in talking about jobs, the steel industry employs 140,000,construction industry, 6.3 million. american manufacturing companies, 6 1/2 million. 13 million versus 140,000, there are better ways to deal with this kind of situation and as has been pointed out we've seen this movie before not only with george w. bush, but ronald reagan and learned the hard way, you end up doing more harm than good. david: bruce, in fact, we mentioned the jobs numbers being responsible, a the least in part, for the incredible 400-point gain in the dow yesterday. some of it, though, was also because the president has pulled back a little bit on the tariffs, right? >> well, he could, but i think one of the problems is, is that like this policy, like so many of them, the immigration and so forth, he is not-- either not seeking advice, getting advice of his advisors or it's just so scatter-shot and he doesn't understand and finally, there's a market reaction and that's one thing he does understand apparently and then he reverses course.

so it doesn't make a lot of sense, but it does anger our allies and that's not good. david: patrice, depends which advisor he's talking about. gary cohn who is leaving that white house, the economic position of the white house was against the tariffs and that may be one reason why he left. the president-- the president made it absolutely clear in his campaign he was for tariffs, that he was-- he thought that we'd signed all kinds of bad trade deals and as you mentioned before, patrice, we have, and over time, by the way, the nafta deal has changed even more favorable towards mexico against us. so, things need to be tweaked and maybe this is just a process of tweaking that we're in right now? >> i mean, it is. talking about his advisors though, it would be interesting to see who is going to be appointed to that position. if you have someone who is going to be not a free market, more of a nationalist perspective. we might see more of these types of tariffs or maybe some changes to monetary policy which also deals with the trade deficit and that's something that president trump wants to deal with.

what is interesting though, when you go back to what he wrote about in talking about in the 2000's, he wants to be negotiator in chief and so he will probably be taking a very active role in the trade agreements that we-- >> let's hope so, he knows how to make a deal. steve, have you been hearing anything? some of the nominees include vast differences, people like larry kudlow, a big free trader is kind of against tariffs at anytime to somebody like navarro, who is one of the guys, the chief inventor of these tariffs. >> that's right, that's why this appointment is so critical. i don't think the president's made up his mind yet who is going to fill that post, but that's going to be a signal, is he going to get new agreements or descend, nobody wants, into a trade war. and that's why it's critical. david: would you take the job? >> david. [laughter]. >>. david: that is not a no, steve.

that's a serious question. >> i'm flattered, but i'd rather be talking with you on saturday. david: how do you think, bruce? you're more favorable to the position of tariffs. do you think it should be a free trader or somebody like navarro or somebody who created the tariffs? >> i think it would be good that we had somebody-- i mean, steve would be good, he has the ability to communicate and i don't agree with larry kudlow, but larry kudlow has the ability to communicate and this was the final humiliation with gary cohn, we thought he would leave when he was upset what trump said after the charlottesville neo-nazi parade and now he's going-- i don't think he's going to get to go back to goldman sachs because he wasn't rising to the ceo job there. so, he was ineffective. so, i think what trump needs is somebody to be able to communicate what he's trying to do. david: patrice, you have 15 seconds, who do you think the nominee should be or will be? >> i do hope it's somebody more of a free market oriented person. david: okay. all right. >> my choice is