>> a blistering morning of news. don't change the change. thanks for joining us. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> fox news alert. president trump firing rex tillerson as secretary of state. announcing his nomination of current cia director mike pompeo to replace tillerson. all this coming at a critical time for our nation's foreign policy. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. republican strategist and fox news contributor lisa booth and jessica tarlov and david avela is outnumbered! >> hello. happy national k-9 vet's day before we get to the heavy news. >> when i want to know which national day it is, i go to you. we salute those. >> we do. >> i like national margarita

day. >> a bold move at a pivotal time. president trump announcing he plans to tap cia director mike pompeo to replace rex tillerson amid delicate negotiations with north korea. the commander-in-chief emphasized the importance of the decision earlier today. >> i've worked with mike pompeo for quite some time. tremendous energy, tremendous intellect. we're always on the same wave length. the relationship has been very good. that's what i need as secretary of state. rex and i have been talking about this for a long time. we got along actually quite well. but we disagreed on things. i'm at a point where we're getting very close to having the cabinet and other things that i want. >> the move already drawing criticism from democrats. house minority leader nancy pelosi released this statement.

secretary tillerson's firing sets a profoundly disturbing precedent where standing up for russian aggression is grounds for a humiliating dismissal. president trump's actions show that every official in his administration is at mercy of his personal wins and worship of putin. it's no wonder that the president has trouble attracting high caliber people to his administration when he undercuts and humiliates those that he supposedly respects. john roberts now at the white house with the latest. john, big morning. it's only noon in the east. >> this all happened by 8:30. i'm just surprised that it didn't happen at 5:30 p.m. as it does most times. this has been brewing for a long time. back in the fall, we had reported quite widely that rex tillerson was not expected to stay long in the new year. the president told us you're all nuts. he's staying. guess what? he's leaving. the president made the decision last week we're told.

according to sources here at the white house, tillerson was informed by chief of kelly friday that the president wanted him to step aside. state department sources telling us that kelly only told tillerson to be on the lookout for a tweet but didn't say he was being removed. seems unusual to me that you would tell your top diplomat in a tweet that he was being replaced. we haven't heard from general kelly yet to find out what the substance of that conversation was. firings do happen quite abruptly here. reince priebus, that was left standing in the rain when he was aboard air force one having found out that the president named kelly as the chief of staff. the president has been wanting to move mike pompeo for some time now. the two see each other daily and the president loves him. listen here. >> i respect his intellect, i respect the process that we've gone through together.

we have a very good relationship, for whatever reason, chemistry, whatever it is. why do people get along? right from the beginning from day one, i've gotten along well with mike pompeo. and frankly, i get along well with rex, too. you know, i wish rex a lot of good things. i think he's going to do -- he's going to be very happy. rex will be happier now. i appreciate his service. with mike, we've had a good chemistry from the beginning. >> harris, you played some reaction from capitol hill from the house minority leader. the senate minority leader said the instable of this administration in every area weakens america. if he's confirmed, we hope mr. pompeo will toughen up or policies towards russia and putin. there was controversy over the president's pick to replace pompeo at the cia. gina haskell, a 32-year veteran. she came up through the ranks and a first time a woman has led the cia.

she also played a big role in the cia black site operations in the early 2000s. the extraordinary rendition and water boarding. already opponents are lining up against her for her expected confirmation hearing. so there may be a little bit of difficulty on that front. one other personnel change that is raising eyebrows. the president's body man suddenly left the white house. departed under murky circumstances. we're trying to dig to the bottom of that. find out what happened. not a lot of people here know what really happened. so we'll continue to shake the bushes. the president on his way to california. he will be at the border to take a look at the prototypes for the wall and then we will hear from him and at the marimar station. you remember what that was

special for, "top gun." just call me maverick. >> i shall. great to see you. thank you. the white house official telling the white house that tillerson was asked to leave friday. the way this came together and now we're at tuesday, your thoughts of rex tillerson out. >> as we would expect from the media and the democrats, their position is that president trump did something wrong when in reality, he should have who he wants. 43 democrats voted against rex tillerson to be secretary of state. i have done tv segments for an entire year where we had to say is rex tillerson out or in? now the president makes the decision that it's time to make a change and now all the coverage is how can he make this change? here's where he has two profound effects. one is on north korea. that if secretary mattis who says he's willing to use force, he wasn't keeping the north korean dictator at night, a former top graduate at westpoint is in charge at secretary of state and has no problems using nuclear weapons has to make the

sweat level of the north korean dictator go up. as we get ready to hear the middle east plan, mike pompeo has been a strong advocate for israel in the u.s. house and during his time at the cia and working with israel and now we're going to see a very strong team that will be able to carry out the president's desires. >> so i wrote down your two profound effects. we'll go into it as such because that's in the direct order of things coming up. by the way, mike pompeo may or may not see a confirmation situation. not really necessary because he can serve without it with 210 days. >> he will go through hearing and there will be absolutely a confirmation process. there was some question of whether or not that would happen, but mitch mcconnell's office saying it will indeed happen. >> but he could do it for 210 days if it didn't happen. what do you think about this process of going forward from the democrats perspective? why are they so critical so quickly? >> oh, because it's easy and the

secretary of state got fired by a tweet. that's ample fodder to continue making the argument that this is the president that does things in an inconstructive way. >> why is that inconstructive? >> it's embarrassing. if you have respect for rex tillerson, you have to have a sit down conversation and have a press conference to talk about his time and service to the matter. >> why is that matter? >> it's treating people with dignity and respect. this president uses twitter for foreign policy. some like it, some don't. we have concerns about mike pompeo. the new acting head of the cia as well as the torture issue was mentioned. both of them -- >> the white house is saying the timing was everything and getting the right person in place, the team in place with the north korea talks coming up. i just have a question though: is the president showing that he's moving more into what rex tillerson's original camp was

and talking to north korea. the "wall street journal" pointing that out saying look, they were in disagreement a long time. the was not talking about sitting down with kim jong-un. that's what the president wanted. isn't he moving towards what tillerson was wanting to do? >> jessica mentions that firing him is not constructive. what isn't constructive, having someone represent you on the world stage that doesn't truly reflect your voice. that was the problem for president trump. he and mike pompeo are on the same wave length. and then having someone that you trust for north korea, by your side in those discussions. mike pompeo is a capable man as david laid out. he has a very impressive resume. we saw massive and public disagreements between president trump and rex tillerson on issues like the paris climate treaty. also not to mention it was reported that rex tillerson

called the president a moron. so why do you want -- >> he softened it. >> why do you want someone -- and what impact does it have to have someone like that representing you? >> and it happened with russia. the president said today as he was getting ready to board the aircraft to head to california to see the wall prototypes, he said look, i can make this decision on my own. i did have a group of people i talked with about north korea. i would have to assume rex tillerson was not one of them. what he said about the russian poisoning, i'm supposed to take with theresa may later today. it's likely that russia did this. that's not what rex tillerson did. he issued a state. >> he did. clearly that is not what the white house wanted. this ultimately goes down to the president gets the staff he or she wants. bottom line. it's interesting to hear jessica and pundits say is mike pompeo

qualified. he was the top guy out of westpoint that went to an ivy league school. i believe president obama had secretary of states that served in congress like mike pompeo and went to an ivy league school. if you're a democrat and you have those credentials, you don't need confirmation. they just put you in. if you're a republican, you're not qualified. >> it has nothing to do with ivy league. the concerns were about his policies, attitudes towards torture. thanks for bringing up the russia point. what rex tillerson did in joining the u.k. and horace johnson is talking about england not going to the world cup over this. this is something that the president hasn't been willing to do -- >> you realize that president putin had a deadline that he met to come back on that. waiting on the deadline -- i'm not putting the words in the mouth of anybody -- is what the world was doing. >> they're going to use this as an opportunity to question who there's chaos inside the west

wing. a string of high profile departures including hope hicks and gary cohn and now secretary of state being fired. how will the president sort of calm that speculation that is out there on the heels of this announcement? >> if tax cuts and a roaring economy and a defense department finally getting the funds they need to build a better military is chaos, most americans will say keep the chaos going. if this what it takes to shake up washington d.c. and get the the ares that we asked for, they're going to say keep doing it. >> the president said there's more coming. this is one of other things that he wants to see done. >> we need to accept the fact that this is a white house that has the same stability in terms of turnover that previous presidents have had. president trump has demonstrated his willingness to let people go. this is something he's not bothered by. secondly, nobody should be surprised by the fact that rex

tillerson is exiting. this is something that has been long discussed in the media. as i mentioned before, major public disagreements between the two. this is not surprising in the least bit. >> and chris stirewalt was suggesting in the 10:00 hour, some of this could have been division over tariffs. rex tillerson travelling the world, he was suggesting might find it a hard message what the president is doing right now in the steel and aluminum tariffs. >> he's looking at larry kudlow. and larry and i also have our disagreements, but in tariffs, that's someplace we agree. yeah, you have these people going out, but the fairness, do you have good people coming in potentially that democrats have knocked him for. we don't know yet. but yeah. look at the line-up for the one position. >> agreed. it gets back to the president deserve whose he wants.

there's not a single administration where an entire staff has stayed the entire term of the presidency. you want a president -- >> but he's shown a lot of frustration with not being able to fill positions -- >> what position is not filled -- >> every cabinet -- >> how many ambassadors and how many clearances -- >> rex tillerson is taking a bit of it on the chin about the south korean ambassador. you look at how much he shank the state department and some say ill-advised ways. he's wearing some of that, too. we have to scoot. we'll come back to this later on. we have more reaction on rex tillerson's firing a little bit later. first though, president trump is on his way to california where he will inspect prototypes of his border wall. the rough greeting he might get from protesters. and republicans on the house intelligence committee wrapping up their russia investigation. that hardly ends the finger

pointing. whether this should bring the whole issue to a close as the president talks about the report findings. he was tweeting. we'll come back. >> we're very happy with the decision by the house intelligence committee saying there was no collusion.

>> fox news alert. big developments in the russia probe. the house intelligence committee wrapping up their investigation concluding there was no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russia. committee chairman devin nunes saying the intelligence community needs to move on. >> we need to get our fbi and our intelligence agencies working on real problems and get them away from what they're doing now, which is looks like spinning in circles. we spent 14 months on this investigation looking for collusion. we didn't find any. >> on the other side, the ranking democrat on the intelligence committee adam schiff saying this is all about protecting the president. >> grave disservice to the country. essentially it's the intelligence committee majority saying we just rather not know if it's going to be bad news. that is i think a betrayal of the promise that was made that we would follow the facts

wherever they lead. >> president trump touting the report tweeting the house intelligence committee after a 14 month long investigation found no evidence of collusion or coordinate between the trump campaign and russia to influence the 2016 election. doug mckelway live with more. hi, doug. >> and now we can expect a minority report. what form it will take, whether a full blown report or a formal statement, we don't know. we do know it will follow the same dynamic that followed the investigation all along. a profound division where neither party can get a hint of agreement. here's the gop conclusion. >> yes, the russians tried to interfere with our election process. yes, they had cyber attacks, active measures going on. we could find no evidence of collusion between either campaign and the russians. >> in a statement last night,

adam schiff said the report was an attempt to protect the president and not the country. he said the majority proved unwilling to subpoena documents like phone records and bank records and other key records to determine the truth about the most significant attack on our democratic institution in history. instead, they began a series of counter investigations to attack the fbi, departments of justice and state. nowhere does schiff dispute the republican finding of no russian collusion. richard blumenthal said it will be up to the senate committee to find the truth. >> these conclusions by the intelligence committee are completely lacking in credibility, factual supports and trust. now the committees of the united states senate have to do the job that the house intelligence committee has betrayed.

>> democrats were caught by surprise by yesterday's release of the draft report. they still haven't seen it. the report won't be released publicly until it's scrubbed of classified information, a process that could take months. the partisan wrangling has gotten so extreme at times that the committee literally built a wall to separate democratic staffers from republican staffers according to the "wall street journal." in this case, sandra, the wall didn't make for very good neighbors. back to you. >> doug mckelway, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> so on that note, is it case closed with this? >> case is closed when the mueller investigation closes. it's the one that matters most because it's the 1 that can put someone in jail, can find findings, wrong doing, which to date there's been no evidence that has shown that they found that. i would offer to you there's a more disturbing trend coming out of these intelligence committee hearings. as soon as a member of congress hears someone make a testimony, they have to run to a camera and

tell them everything they just heard. >> or a reporter off camera. >> what implications that has long-term on national security issues and investigations, time will tell. but it's a bit disturbing. >> should the president be taking a victory lap? >> i had a laugh at adam schiff and his statement there. we know the democrats have gone and leaked so much information between us and these closed door hearings, most recently with hope hicks. many have accused adam schiff of being that individual. he's not been able to state any evidence of collusion. he's hedged on the question. at some point we have to accept the fact that according to the back shattered 24 hours after hillary clinton lost, they came together and said they wanted to blame the election loss on russia. they paid for the dossier. they've been helping fuel this narrative in the media that the media has bought and driven on behalf of the democratic party. at some point without evidence of collusion, we have to admit

there's no evidence of collusion. >> we have to admit there's no evidence of collusion when bob mueller and his team go home. that's the final thing here. we have the senate intelligence committee investigating this. i find it hard to believe that hillary clinton paid off the national security professionals that work across 17 intelligence agencies to say that the russians wanted president trump to win, which she's denying. and the gop is now saying that that -- >> hold on. jessica, come on. you worked in politics as well. you're saying that $2,000 spent in the state of wisconsin helped sway the election or had any impact on the election at all? >> and voting machines were tampered with -- >> and it started with bernie sanders and -- >> it's a weak argument, jessica. >> there's many reasons that hillary clinton lost. i can talk about it -- >> including -- >> and when republicans on the house intel at least one or two of them have said they made a mistake. i mean, they made a mistake

thinking there was any sort of connection between the meddling that went on per russia. nobody has said that didn't exist. it was to benefit any one candidate over the other. so after the democrats asked for 100 more people that they wanted to see. you know, there was a close look. i've been talking with intel members on "overtime" for weeks now. what are we getting out the sessions? we're not finding out anything else. what did you say during the commercial break? no collusion. this is not mueller i investigation. they can't do gymnastics and go eight different directions. why not concentrate on the actual meddling and i want to ask you about this. this is the thing to concentrate on. we have more elections this year. >> the democrats and schiff are not the only ones obsessed and russia and the 2016 election. hillary clinton is still

obsessed as she continues to say that people are backwards that didn't vote for her. the democrats are still obsessed why they lost. >> donald trump obsesses and winning. >> apparently we can't make our own decisions to vote for. we have to listen to her husbands or boyfriends or whatever according to hillary clinton, which is laughable. >> we're going to jump in with this fox news alert. breaking right now, fox news has confirmed that the white house has fired the aide to secretary of state rex tillerson who contradicted the account of the secretary's dismissal. this is as we learned from john roberts reporting today from the white house that rex tillerson was told of his firing on friday by john kelly. there was a statement put out this morning as the news was breaking from the state department saying that the secretary was just now learning of this, was not told by the president and had every intention of remaining on board.

so that contradictory statement has led to a firing of the aide to secretary of state rex tillerson by the white house and it's now confirmed. we'll be right back. . >> i actually got along well with rex. it was a different mindset, a different thinking. i don't know why i didn't get screened a long time ago.

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>> fox's top story continuing to make news. in the last little bit, we're

going to talk more about it. president trump fired secretary of state rex tillerson and nominated cia director mike pompeo to replace him. the president's critics jumping on the news claiming it shows the administration is softening its stance against russia. senate armed services member, lindsey graham, saying the president's pick to replace tillerson is no friend of russia. watch. >> i don't think mike pompeo has taken a back seat to anyone when it comes to russia. mike is very clear that russia interfered in our elections and the russians are a bad actor. i think it has a lot to do with the fact that pompeo is closer to trump and he wants somebody that i think he feels closer to. >> this news is moving so quickly, we got part one from sandra before the commercial break. that's when we learned that the white house has fired a top aide to rex tillerson for issuing a

statement contrary to the white house's account of it. part dos. and white house sources telling fox news that chief of staff john kelly called tillerson friday to tell him the president wanted him to step aside. now tillerson asked the president if he could wait for him to get back from his africa trip. tillerson returned this morning and the president pulled the trigger. and right before the break, the secretary had every intention of remaining because of the progress that had been made on critical national security issues. two buses passing in the night. >> don't send out a press statement contradictory to what the boss is doing. the president deserves his team. today we will talk about rex tillerson, but the quicker we start moving to what will happen under mike pompeo, it's more relevant to americans. >> so let's talk about pompeo for a second.

you gave his resume. it's impressive. this is someone that we know has visited the white house with the president and gone back and forth. they have a good relationship the last year the president has said. more about him and the significance particularly with the big issues of north korea and russia. >> i've had the opportunity to meet with the secretary a couple times pre his becoming the cia director. there's no idea about where he stands philosophically. and he wants to make sure that north korea gets rid of nuclear weapons, making sure there's a middle east that protects everybody. you're going to like mike pompeo. he's going to articulate what the president wants because he agrees with the president. >> jessica, from what sandra was saying, the update is that mitch mcconnell fully believes there will be a confirmation procession for pompeo. i read even if they didn't want to do that, they had 210 days to

let him sit in an interim positions. where will democrats fall on him if it gets that far? >> i think it depends how much closer we get to the election. >> what does that mean? >> there's people that we have a lot of blue senators running in red states. people that have talked about the need to increase the size of the military and more hawkish than some of the californians. there's some leeway there. a key distinction to be raising between saying mike pompeo is not qualified and saying he's not the right choice for the way you want america to be reason. that's what democrats are saying. they're not saying, oh, that school isn't good enough or westpoint -- >> what don't they like? >> they don't like his stance on the i ran deal. they don't like how hawkish -- why are you laughing? >> stances and positions that he held when 66 u.s. senators voted to confirm him for cia director.

and now he's secretary of state and the 66 people -- >> he's gotten widespread praise from both parties. >> and now that he's secretary of state that -- >> chuck schumer's statement is that hopefully he will turn over a new leaf. that sounds like he's excited -- >> and we've been hearing the -- >> let's be honest. democrats are not going to like anyone that president trump puts up because it contradicts the policies of president obama which is why president trump got elected. he ran a campaign on reversing the obama era policies. look, it wasn't that long ago everybody said president trump was crazy about the fire and fury comments. guess what? kim jong-un didn't know what to think of president trump. he didn't know what america would do. now they're coming to the table. so maybe let's give president trump some credit on the worldwide stage here. >> the point that lisa is making. this is different than the 25 previous years of diplomacy that america has tried with north korea.

this is potential sit-down between president trump and kim jong-un. that is different from the type of diplomacy that rex tillerson was walking out. last words. >> bring up the vote immediately. red states don't have it to vote against him in an election year. >> we'll move on. last word. on to pennsylvania now. special election! >> yay! >> so exciting. >> this is where republican pick rick saccone and democrat connor lamb are facing off in a special election that is seen as a big test for both parties. we'll take a closer look at what is at stake and it's 10:18 in that district. come back.

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election. many see the tight race between connor lamb and republican rick saccone of what to expect in the mid-terms. lamb positioned himself as a moderate democrat that would not become democrat nancy pelosi. saccone saying his opponent won't support the president's policies. >> when he gets there, he will vote with the democratic party 100%. we can't have that if we're going to implement the trump agenda, then we have to stick with the president. i've always been for that agenda. i was elected on that agenda in 2010 and i've been fighting for it. >> democrat connor lamb going out of his way today to say the race is not up to president trump. >> i just know that we have worked extremely hard. i'm proud of the people that worked with me. this is a local race. people are voting for me or rick saccone. >> president trump making his

preference known tweeting the economy is raging at an all-time high and is set to get better. jobs and wages up. vote for rick saccone and keep it going. so what does the outcome of this election say about the president? >> it says people in 2018 will pick between rick saccone and connor lamb. we shouldn't look much into this. everybody wants to say this election is about president trump. but you just heard connor lamb say it's not about president trump. you have john tester running for senate as a democrat saying i worked with the president under 12 bills that he's signed. you have phil bredesen in tennessee talking about how he will be willing to work with president trump. you have the wisconsin state senate race. the polsters said we didn't mention president trump. in all of these races, democrats don't talk about president trump. the last time i checked, there's not been a single republican run

an ad saying i want to work with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. >> should the president take a victory lap? >> he should. republicans should take a victory lap. >> got it. jessica? >> president trump won this district by 20 points. it's been reliably republican for about 15 years now. so the fact that connor lamb is up six points seems like a disaster for the republicans here. what is most interesting and i agree, this is not about president trump. this is about pennsylvania voters and what's going on there. but we've seen a huge drop off in the spending by the gop on ads that mentioned the tax reform bill. they've shifted their story there. they were touting it. the popularity of the bill is up but they've been focused on personal attacks of nancy pelosi, which is everyone's favorite. so it's interesting for 2018. it's not going to be about tax reform. >> she's good material. >> for you guys. >> he calls it a secret weapon.

>> there's a reason why connor lamb did an ad saying i don't support nancy pelosi. i'm not going there. don't worry. you're rest assured, my friend. >> but there are more registered democrats in the district than republicans. we don't really know about the polling because going back to 2004, special election polling has been wrong but i think five points. so it's within the margin of error. we don't know where it's going to go. connor lamb is a strong candidate. look at rick saccone. he's had some messy moments. >> i'm sure you saw the video, the late stages of the campaign. with rick saccone vilifying the other side not believing in god. it was an odd moment and i'm wondering where he's gone with this. >> so this is where it gets dicey for republicans. there's four counties. one is more suburban which is where democrats have gotten the most votes in this congressional district. the other three are more rural

areas but they have strong ties to labor. the united mine workers have come out in full fledge support of connor lamb saying he's a god fearing job-protecting pension et cetera, et cetera. that's where it's dicey for rick saccone. not only do you have connor lamb driving up the vote in that suburban county but potentially picking off some of these individuals that voted for president trump and some of the more rural areas. so i don't know what will happen. it's within the margin of error. it could go either way. >> we may not know until well into the night. >> an exciting one. watch fox news channel. president trump on his way to california to get a first hand look at what his border wall may look like as his administration steps up its attacks on the state's sanctuary laws. the message the president is sending and how it will be received.

>> more "outnumbered" coming up but first to harris. >> a former assistant of state for colon powell will join me.

nominating mike pompeo to replate rex tillerson. and what it means for the proposed sit-down with the north korean dictator and other crucial policy issues. also joining me, darrell issa from california. his reaction to the tillerson firing. and president trump is flying there right now to inspect the border wall prototypes and issa will be with the president. all that and more atop the hour on overtime. >> i've seen you. you can sprint. have a great show, harris. president trump on his way to california. his first visit as president to the state. he's expected to be met by protesters. the president will be in san diego to examine prototypes of barriers to separate the united states and mexico. ahead of the trip, the acting head of ice responding to house democratic leader nancy pelosi that denounced trump's immigration policies as cowardly.

>> first of all, you're talking about law enforcement officers. these are men and women that put their lives on the line every day. they strap a gun on and defend this nation. how can you call them cowardly? to say we're terrorizing the immigrants? these people were terrorizing immigrant communities. ice removed the people from the community. that's far from terrorizing. we're protecting the american public. >> in route to the west coast, the president tweeting california's sanctuary policies are illegal and unconstitutional and put the safety and security of our nation at risk. thousands of dangerous and violent criminal aliens are released as a result. set free to prey on innocent americans. this must stop. david, california is ground zero for the resistance against president trump and his immigration policies. what would make today a success

for the president? >> continuing to pursue the policies he laid out in the state of the union address where 2/3s of americans are support what he's doing with securing the border, getting rid of sanctuary cities, getting rid of chain migration. this rally in california tod today -- ultimately you need the state's not to get in the ways of ice. ice is in charge of enforcing policies. having state help is great. you want it. ice is in charge. >> you worry about the optics for democrats? as david laid out, you can look at polling where majority of americans are supportive of the policies and principles that president trump has laid out on immigration. you've had people like the mayor of oakland and democrats really lay a stake in the ground on this issue. so do you worry that democrats will look like they are standing up more for illegals as oh bosed

to americans in 2018 for the mid-terms? >> i do worry about that. that is a big message. and obviously this case should have been covered, the kate steinly murder and still got to remain in the country and murder and american. it's a tragedy and makes it difficult to articulate that you think sanctuary cities are meaningful. there's a good number of reasons and prominent republicans that backed them in the past. sanctuary cities allow people living here illegally but are contributing to society and good people, they cross illegally but here doing good to communicate and cooperate with police officials. that's why a lot of police officers and mayors like sanctuary cities as it were. i think we run the rick of that. i think there's a difference between not cooperating with ice and standing in their way.

you can stand back and say we're not going to help you but tipping people off when there was a honduran man that was a sex offender with a minor in america being protected as it were. doesn't look good. >> and a lot of americans view it as an issue of national security. they don't want people here illegally, potential aliens and having democrats support that and keep them safe is frowned on by a lot of americans. sandra, you're talking to members of congress every day on america's newsroom. what are your thoughts and where daca is heading? you think there's going to be any movement? >> there's frustration that there's nothing done yet. the conversation over immigration needs to progress. having the president make this trip to california and the optics of standing there by the wall prototypes, making decisions is encouraging both to his base and those frustrated that nothing is getting done on the immigration front. is this mostly about optics, the president's visit to see the

prototypes? >> continuing the process. keeping the pressure on congress. look, even daca supporters are now questioning whether democrats are doing. protesting outside of their headquarters because -- >> i was missing the cues. i have to leave it there. we'll be right back. to help somebody, you're gaining something from meeting mr. adderley. it's a calling to not only everybody in this neighborhood in miami, but to the nation how great we are. and how great we can be. ♪ ♪ i'll stand by you. ♪ i'll stand by you. ♪ and i'll never desert you. ♪ i'll stand by you.

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vets day -- >> always great to have you. thanks to everybody. we're back tomorrow at noon. here's harris. >> harris: fox news alert. the big shakeup inside the trump administration. the president making a decision. let's go "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. president trump fired secretary of state rex tillerson today. it's a major change for his national security team and comes with delicate negotiates with north korea. the president said he made the decision to fire tillerson himself. he said he and his secretary of state have not always seen eye to eye. watch. >> rex and i have been talking about this for a long time. we got along actually quite well. we disagreed on things. when you look at the iran deal, i think it's terrible. he thinks it's okay. i want to either break it or do something. he felt a little bit differently. so we were not really