days left though. "outnumbered" starts now. >> we come in with a fox news alert much watched special election in pennsylvania 18th district is too close to call. democrat conor lamb has a razor thin victory. republican rick saccone is not conceding. republican will demand recount and now saying there was problem with voting machines which cause lamb to get votes intended for saccone. we'll have more on this in a few minutes. the story is coming together. we await official results. this also making news. new reaction to the president latest surprise move cracking down on city and states which refuse to enforce federal immigration law. this is "outnumbered" i'm harris faulkner.

kennedy coanchor after the bell melissa francis, democratic strategist jessica tarlov. this is a big news day. great to see you. let's get to the news. the president is set to depart from los angeles international airport just moments from now. he's heading to boeing factory in st. louis, missouri where he will tout the gop tax cuts. during his visit to california, you may know he toured border wall prototypes in san diego. also demanded congress take action on the issue of saw sanctuary law and slammed

california governor jerry brown. >> he's done poor job running california. you have sanctuary cities. very dangerous people. you would say dangerous people. i think the governor doing terrible job running state of california. the upcoming omnibus budget bill congress must fund the border wall and prohibit grants to sanctuary jurisdictions that threaten the security of our country. and the people of our country. we must enforce our laws and protect our people. >> governor brown responded. thanks to the shotout president trump, but bridges are still better than walls and california remains the sixth largest economy in the world. the most prosperous state in america. meanwhile sharp contrast to california, texas lawmakers are cheer appeals court to up poland -- uphold their state law. it empowers police officers to

ask their immigration status during routine stops of people they stop. it punishes local government official who refuse to cooperate with federal immigration authorities. texas attorney general ken paxson tweeted. the sanctuary cities, bam. have been upheld by the circuit. it is lawful, constitutional and protects the safety of law enforcement officers and all texans. charlie hurt, you got two directions people are going in on this one. >> opposite. i really don't understand. on this issue, just ten years ago, all of these leading democrats were pretty much in line with a lot of what donald trump said about wanting to secure the border and stop the flow of illegals in the country. suddenly over the past ten years it's become this political football. i think it's important to remember, it's appalling lot of democrats find, he is more in

line with the american wishes on this than any other politician out there. >> he maybe in line and all of that. he still is tasked with the one person in the nation really to lead the way on national security. if he were in line, i don't know how much difference it would make. >> what i'm saying, he is doing exactly what campaigned on and voters choice. >> kennedy, there are plenty of places. i seen this firsthand down in arizona. there are places where you have support line a wall where it's shown this is made a difference. >> there are constitution free zones within 80 miles of the border. there are two things that work. federalism is fantastic. if states want to decide they they interring a with the federal government, i don't have a problem with that. the federal government have much better immigration policy so states know what to expect.

this is why between texas and california. if texas wants to make this big southern california businesses they've tougher on illegal immigration, that's up to them. now for california, i agree that grips helped the economy. they make cities and communities better. if that's the case and california wanteds to provide entitlements on their own of free and federal funding, then them make that decision >> interesting way looking at that time. >> i think that's exactly the way you should be looking at it and to remember, illegals get arrested at lower rates. there's a false argument out there that illegals -- >> i know i will see it all over social media. lower rates, talk to me about that >> they don't commit as many crimes as natural born citizens. yet they are vilified as a community. they hype up stories like the terrible tragedy what happened to kate steinle. >> you're saying illegals commit

fewer crimes. >> absolutely that is we are accepting that they broke the law to enter the country. when they contribute to society. >> we can't have open borders and a social welfare system. you can't give away the farm to everyone and also have people flooding the borders. we have to out can back on give aways or close the borders. it adds to the economy to have more people here that are more conceptualist. >> there are lot of work in criminal justice comparing immigrant communities not necessarily illegal immigrants but immigrant communities -- they commit crimes at lower rates. >> they can't give away -- you cannot have more people feeding off the system. >> that's something you have to choose one way or other. you cannot have it both ways.

that will bankrupt states like california. if that's their choice -- >> what's interesting, it come down to a market situation, texas and california compete. >> absolutely. >> sorry interrupt you. fox news alert. neck and neck election. >> conor lamb holding razor thin lead over republican rick saccone. the final result will come down to absentee ballots with the recount expected after that, lamb is already declaring victory. he did so 1:00 in the morning. saccone has refused to quit. watch. >> we're still fighting the fight. it's not over yet. we're going to fight all the way to the end. you know i never give up. >> everyone gave me a fair shake. i know there are people that voted for the president who also voted for me.

i thank them for hearing me out. >> reaction to the race already pouring in from both sides. speaker paul ryan pointing out is cone and -- saccone and lamb took traditionally republican positions. watch this. >> the candidate that's going to win this race is the candidate that ran as a pro life, progun, anti-nancy pelosi conservative. that's the candidate that will rin win this race. this is something that you will not see repeated. >> it's remarkable. a district that trump won by 20 points. these were obama trump voter who came back to the democratic party. it shows that we can win in every zip code. >> but can they and how does this change the strategy going into the midterms charlie hurt? >> obviously, republicans are talking about voting issues, voting machine issues in a district that donald trump won by 20 points. it's their deep trouble. >> when donald trump held huge rally there. the benefits.

>> the republicans pulled out all the stops. at the end of the day, it of cos back to this, they have to learn to pick good candidates. they got if get good candidate who where really to work hard and win races. the other thing i do think it's a real problem for democrats. the fact that you have a guy that could not get nominated for anything on the national level as a democrat and actually actively ran against nancy pelosi to win. >> it's true republicans running against each other. because the person there would get primaried. >> what happens if he gets primaried in november? conor lamb. you can see something go for a left and beat him with a sneeze. >> i don't know. we know that the seat is going away. pa18 won't exist. he's beginning to run in a new seat. conor lamb gets primaried by a bernie progressive in a place

largely similar that it in favor of trump's tariffs. >> it has a lot of democrats. that's what this had too. >> they are union democrats. conor lamb did something that democrats haven't been able to accomplish. complete union support. talking about pro life positions. >> that runs in contrast what howard dean said about being pro choice and candidate will not receive money from the dccc if they were going to run pro-life. >> i think it's regrettable to deny any democratic candidate who uphold our principles. you can be politically pro-choice. conor lamb saying he ran as a republican, he didn't. he ran on strengthening the aca, protecting medicare and esocial security. he was pro union. for the tariffs which is long term. >> he ran as a central right on local issues. which is something that republicans and democrats can

internalize. there has to be level of authenticity. >> i love that you used that word authenticity. does that apply to conor lamb? >> you won't find out until he votes. that was the slam. i don't think that even matters in the sense everybody saying this is doom for republicans. it can't be copied. anywhere else a democrat would show up and take it away from conor lamb. conor lamb was running as a republican. >> that can happen in november. >> i don't think that will happen. he wasn't as republican. he was running as conservative democrat from pennsylvania. >> is this what democrats do in the midterms? if there are seats that were won by trump in that district in double digits are democrats there giving some distance to run much further to the right? >> i don't think they will.

i don't think they can help themselves. they love to make these -- have people that lose passionately. other problem here, this is problem for republicans, to me most interesting test was, can donald trump bring somebody across the line if it's name isn't on the ballot. that's real problem for republicans. it didn't work here. his name is not going to be on the ballot come november. they have to figure out how to get those voters motivated for other people. >> we'll watching to see how conor lamb does his job. >> let's do this fox news alert. students across the nation have been staging walkouts to protest gun violence. one month after the shooting of marjory stoneman douglas high school. 17 people per rished that day. more than 3000 schools are

involved in demonstrations with students from elementary and college age today. washington marched to the capital where they turned their backs on the white house. demandinga on gun control. they were also joined by democratic leaders on capitol hill. some states marchers headed to their state houses and others gathered on football fields and in gymnasiums. in the next hour, parkland shooting suspect nickolas cruz is set to be in court on 17 counts of murder. we will bring that to you live and continue to follow this story as it makes news today. hillary clinton now facing some backlash from some democrats. after clinton criticized voters in states that went for president trump. the only problem now democrats courting those same voters. we'll ask whether hillary clinton or helping hurting the party. new signs that president trump's

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shores. the president there you saw him getting on the plane. we'll cover his trip as it happens here live. >> potential show down looming over senate confirmation hearings for president trump nominees to fill positions. mike pompeo for secretary of state and gina haspel for cia director. meeting with north korea's kim jong-un and ongoing rusian meddling allegations in u.s. elections. democratic senator tim kaine he may cause trouble for haspel and pompeo. >> he's going to have a lot of convincing to do based on statements he has on the record. we don't need more fire and fury. we need a diplomat. the combination of her track record with the torture program and her involvement in

destroying records and tapes about that program, this sends a bad signal to put somebody like that as head of the cia. >> we can know that in advance. senate foreign relations chairman bob corker saying it's important to move forward. >> iran deal is on the table. president is considering what to do. we got the north korea meeting coming up. numbers of issues with russia and china. hopefully, both sides of the aisle will understand the importance of having a secretary of state in place and i hope it goes very well. >> there are some republican wild cards as well including senators john mccain, jeff flake and rand paul. he plans to oppose both nominations. charlie hurt, the president is going in a very different direction. he is no longer employing

globalists in those top cabinet spots. what is it saying about mike pompeo being installed as secretary of state? >> the first thing i think it's interesting, people like to talk about how donald trump only surrounds himself with yes men. the examples people give for making that argument, he surrounds himself with people who disagree with him. [laughter] case in with rex tillerson. he begins making the argument, we disagreed on iran all that time. i'm going to go back and address iran. which is like if or not, it was something that he ran on. i think that also, this is a good fight for donald trump to be having now on the eve of these talks. especially if it becomes a partisan thing like with mike pompeo, less so with gina haspel

for cia. there's other issues there. in terms of pompeo, it's going to become a partisan fight in congress over him on the eve of these talks. trump is going to win that fight. >> i'm confused you had quite a few democrats, i think 43, who actually voted for confirmation for him. that's allowed him to use him for interim way for 210 days. it would allow them to leave him in the new position. >> as a guy, like donald trump does, he always knows how to pick fights. this is a good fight. >> let's talk about this. democrats could make the process very difficult. don't we need a secretary of state? >> that's been core to the democratic opposition to this administration that not enough spots have been filled. we don't have any ambassadors.

i've heard democrat senators make the claim, we voted for him for head of cia. now we've seen how he's been in the position, we changed our mind. i don't think that works. gina haspel is the real issue here and her role in the torture program. that's been something that a number of senators optioned. we heard from secretary mattis. i did better with pack of cigarette than beer than i did with waterboarding. she's going to be real problem here. there are number of people come out in support of mike pompeo. z including diane feinstein who was defending gina haspel against allegations that she was being responsible running that cia black site. >> i go back to the point charlie made. all morning long, all i've heard is that president trump is turning hard right and he's now wiping away everybody who disagrees with him. he's going to put in only these people who agree with him. it was only a week ago, he's openly disagree with the people that he put in place and house

is in chaos because he's not taking the advice of anyone he's hired. he sort of criticized being insane and intolerant. >> he had the clear philosophical position. >> is it better to have the person who never agree with you in the first place. we knew gary cohn did not have the same outlook. >> the president called him a globalist. >> what's better to have the person in there who doesn't agree with you, you're criticized for saying you're taking the advice or having people in there who just listen to you. if you hate the guy, you're criticizing him for both things. >> i take the question even farther than that melissa, you don't agree. national security son the line if you have somebody in secretary of state position because if they are oppositional, they're oppositional to white house message. can be a dangerous look.

>> let's not forget, it was donald trump who got elected. it wasn't rex tillerson. he got elected for his issue and view on things. we had a healthy debate about it going on. >> you remember that. >> maybe rex tillerson warfare t the right pick in the first place. >> lot of people felt that. >> it was nontraditional. what i would say, yesterday on the couch, he made the point, every president gets the right to choose their own cabinet. republicans had big problems. >> they confirmrd them within days of the administration. >> we don't know what will happen. this is the first day. >> you have to consider putting politics aside and seeing what the president and the country has on our plate as far as foreign policy with russia and

iran and north korea. not drag our feets a. ask the important questions. >> i agree with that. you see a lot of commentary how somebody like mike pompeo -- >> senator rand paul as we discussed today, he opposes nominations of pompeo and haspel. he will join us on "outnumbered" overtime coming up. be sure to stay right here with that discussion. democrats on the attack over house intelligence republicans decision to end the russia collusion probe whether a lengthier investigation is needed. we'll debate.

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>> fox news alert. new fallout over the house intelligence committee republicans to end their russia investigation. finding there was no collusion. democrats are claiming republicans allowed witnesses to skirt certain questions and did not subpoena key documents. >> this is no way to run a investigation. it is only way to go through the motions to give the pretense of trying to find the truth. >> sadly, unless we're successful and continuing this investigation, it will be difficult for the country to ever know exactly what happened. >> republican house intelligence member brad winstrop saying

their investigation are in-depth. saying democrats are looking to target president trump. >> i've come to the conclusion that there are many people like to see this go on and on forever. if they can come forward with other evidence and things we may need to look at. we will engage in that appropriately. we have done very professional job. >> meanwhile, republican congressman trey gowdy appearing to contradict own republican colleagues. saying there was clear evidence that russia meddled in the election to help candidate trump. the question isn't whether russia meddled. what republicans are saying, they didn't. >> there's another look at that question. were they just trying to sow dischord? >> they did. >> they did. donald trump was their preferred

candidate? that is a bank shot. what that would reveal is, russia apparently knows more about the american electoral than any american pollster. or anybody in the media nobody thought that donald trump was going to win. including the russians. that's why they -- i would suspect that's why they meddled in that direction, they thought it most disruptive. >> they preferred candidates like bernie sanders and donald trump. they wanted us to fight each other and congratulations. we're fighting with each other. that's kind of the take away from the whole thing. if there was evidence of collusion, someone would have leaked it. >> everything leaks. it's not good to have a committee that's leaking no matter who's doing it. my question, though, has to do

with where we go next to protect our future elections. what republicans are saying, they're going to now turn fully focused on that element as we have midterms coming up. we know the russians meddled. with wouldn't the democratics get on board? >> absolutely. one of the key things we should be talking about is cybersecurity. if we're going to have rec voting -- electronic voting, i think it's up to municipalities and counties and states to decide how they have their citizens vote. there are traditionalist who want to go back to paper ballots. it can't be hacked. if it's got a chip, it can be hacked. >> i'm curious about this point. if you're trying to resuscitate something that has been put to bed, that's where your energy lies. we got lot of work to do before

november with these committees getting down to bottom of protecting us. >> 100%. that was something cia director now secretary of state mike pompeo came out and talked about. he talked about that a few weeks ago. he did not feel that we were adequately prepared to fight against this come november. that the russians are still looking to do exactly what they did in 2016. >> why wouldn't the chinese do it? >> how do we know they didn't? >> i want to say returning so melissa's point they wanted bernie and trump. that's making the point clear, the thing they wanted was to not have hillary clinton. this all originated with vladimir putin deep disdained for hillary clinton. he has hated her for decades. we can't forget that. i think you can't discount that.

they wanted trump more than hillary. >> she helped with uranium one. >> barack obama did it too. >> all -- my point standings they wanted trump, bernie and not hillary. look what they got. >> i'll say it next. hillary clinton is at it again. she's playing blame game over losing ther selection. now she's taking aim for people who ovote -- who voted for trump. the best simple dishes ever?

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>> america vote donald trump. >> i would have to say no, we did not deserve that. >> people were looking for the reality tv campaign maybe i should have given them more entertainment. we do not do well with white men and we don't do well with married white women. part of that is an identification with the republican party and a sort of ongoing pressure to vote the way that your husband, your boss, your son, whoever, believes you should. >> hillary clinton still slamming president trump. this time speaking at an event in india over the weekend. she had a lot of harsh words for anyone who voted for him. suggesting they were less productive they were attracted by a backward looking message, listen to this.

>> i won in places that are optimistic, diverse, dynamic, moving forward. his whole campaign, make america great again, was looking backwards. you don't like women getting jobs, you don't want to see that indian american succeeding. whatever your problem is, i'm going to solve it. >> now hillary is getting backlash from our own party with democrats facing tough reelection fights. some are distancing themselves from the former secretary of state, missouri senator claire mccaskill saying those are fighting words for me. i don't think that's way you should talk. any voter especially ones in my state. this from senator sh sherrod brn

in iowa. -- ohio, i don't think that's helpful. >> jessica is so quiet now. >> i'm not a big talker generally though. >> we were watching, with all that make-up on. it's terrible. i think to put people like claire mccaskill and sherrod brown and up for tough reelection. it's difficult. there's a way to talk about what segment of the country voted for what candidate. it is true that she won two thirds of the gdp of the country. >> rich people, are they smarter and more sophisticated because they like her better? >> they are forward looking. >> which means that people from less productive parts of the country are worthless and dumb. this is someone who wants to cement her legacy, she put on

cement shoes. she's sinking her future name. whatever she worked toward. to this point in her career, she is sprinkling so much ill will over this landscape. >> backward and dumb. if you don't have money you're backward and dumb. >> what's truly amazing. i don't understand how someone -- she really believes that. the racism and the sexism part it's so appalling. if you think that's the last time that you're going to hear all those republicans across the country are going to cut that thing and they will run them in every single one of those. >> i want to say this really quickly. i would love you for respond. she's talking about republican women only vote how their husbands tell them. therefore they are victims. >> they can think for themselves because of their political party. what she is saying, they should have voted for me. so i can make decisions for

them. that so so patronizing. >> it's difficult to stomach. as we've gone through this whole me too moment in this country where women are taking control that i own voice -- putting it nicely what it is. >> is it really cutting her now. #peoplenotwithher. not her. >> we have a long tradition. families vote together. that's not because someone pressures them. you have shared experiences. >> maybe in her family. i don't know. >> i think it's gone from the narrative the secret trump voter. the person who wouldn't admit they would vote for trump. they went in there to now people pressured to vote for trump. that women really wanted to vote for her but they were pressured

by spouse. when at the time he overperformed and people wouldn't say they were for him. which one is? would they not say it or they pressuring everyone to vote for him. >> specifically women wouldn't say. i want to get this back to how this might actually affect the midterm elections. hillary clinton has been clear she would like to play a role. do you want her to go away? >> no. >> neither to republicans. >> how does this affect november. >> it's very similar to what's going on with trump now. there are 23 vulnerable republicans only two in the house have asked limb to come and campaign with him. >> it's not like what's happening with president trump. he's not putting out a treasure trove for the opposite party. >> yes he did. can youd a ads with very fine people on both sides and what do you have to lose. he said a things that you can run in the the ad. that's just true.

democrats will do it. >> they tried it though. they did say those things before the election. they have not played bunch >> she's giving fresh material here. >> pay off to porn stars. come on, i can cut 50 ads now before the end of this segment. >> it didn't work though. >> that's new. >> jojoy apologizing to the president. whether this reflects a bigger problem that the mainstream media may have with religion.

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>> we'll touch base with harris to see what's coming up on "outnumbered overtime." >> senator rand paul will join me to explain why he said he's against president trump's nomination of cia director mike pompeo. to replace rex tillerson as secretary of state and pompeo's deputy gina haspel as cia director. why doesn't rand paul like them. joining me republican congressman brad winstrop from the house intel committee. why some republicans criticizing the decision by republicans to

end the russia investigation in the committee. whether democrats are right that the committee's work is not done. "outnumbered overtime" top of the hour. >> beautifully done. thank you. "the view" cohost joy behar is apologizing to mike pence. she mocked him saying that jesus talks to him. saying it's a sign of mental illness. she tried to walk. back on air. the vice president graciously accepted but he told hannity on monday, he hopes behar will make a public statement to millions of american who are offended. >> i said to joy of course i forgive you. i did encourage her, i'm still encouraging her to use forum of that program or some over public forum to apologize to ten of manies of americans who were equaled offended.

>> that's finally happening on "the view" yesterday. gleaves raised to respect everyone's religious faith. i sincerely pole for what i said. >> we were on the couch just a couple of weeks ago. melissa and kennedys and i. charlie weren't here. we were talking about this in the conversation got heated. do you think this is enough? it was right thing to do. >> i think she had to do this. ceo of disney came out of the shareholders meeting. he was saying joy behar made the call to the vice president. when it becomes public, she has no choice but to turn to the camera to apologize. it took a month for her to do that. she's a comedian, much is forgiven. when you're funny. i don't think her comment was funny at all. i think lot of people took offense to it. opera winfrey should have took offense to this.

she was listening for god to give her an answer. god had not said anything yet. >> charlie what's your take? >> it reveals sort of the double standard. lot of people see in hollywood and washington. all these places. it is open season on christians. christians are mocked, made fun of for all kinds of faith tradition and things that they believe and do. it's just considered okay or funny in some cases. you could never get away with that. should never get away with that in polite society making fun of other religious groups. >> i think if this reflects the attitude really that is inside of networks. it doesn't surprise me. when i worked at nbc, i know if you demonstrated yourself as a person of faith, you undermine your credibility as a journalist. youened in something that wasn't provable in front of you.

rest of america doesn't realize that. i think that people who run news networks don't realize that a lot of america doesn't agree with them. does believe in god. that's what this is is about. the network realized, we're getting huge backlash and we're shocked that people believe in god. >> i think it's their bias. >> nicer than globalist i guess. i tend to agree with you. i'm not a religious person. i was raised to know that you shouldn't comment on other people's religion. >> if she had those who practice islam are mentally ill, the apology might have come sooner. >> or about jews, it would have come faster too. >> she's not a politician. shshe's a comic. >> i think elizabeth warren should learn from this.

the whole episode is now behind joy behar. elizabeth warren should apologize for some of the accuracies for years. >> more "outnumbered" in a moment. stay right here. . (vo) dogs have evolved,

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>> kennedy: thank you so much to charlie hurt for making this a memorable day charlie charlie unforgettable. >> kennedy: what do you think is going to happen with the pennsylvania special election. >> republicans already lost

if they were to win it by one. council nor lamb has got this, i think. >> kennedy: dry your tears on your beautiful tie. we are back at noon. back at noon eastern tomorrow. let's go to harris faulkner right now. >> harris: and a lot of breaking news in just the last 30 seconds or so. fox news alert. a nail biter of a race that could tell us a lot about 2018. let's go outnumbered year time i'm harris faulkner. the race in pennsylvania's 18th congressional district remains too close to call at this hour. just about 600 votes now separating democrat conor lamb from republican rick saccone out of a nearly quarter of a million votes cast. election officials telling the associated pressure there are about 200 absentee votes and an unknown number of provisional ballots that still must be counted. while conor lamb and the democratic party are claiming victory on this, rick saccone says he's not giving in yet. >> it took a little longer than we thought, but we did