movement. >> martha: always great to see you. that is our story for tonight come out will be back tomorrow night at 7:00. tucker carlson is standing by. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." if you've been watching tv today, you know that thousands of children walked out of school across america demanding the passage of new gun-control laws following the mass shooting in parkland florida of course. the walkout was being handled by an act of bravery, but of course students do not act independently. they can't act independently, they're under control of adults, in this case by definition, they're in school. when he heard a 16-year-olds in school scream how many did you kill today? you can be certain adults are behind it mar.

today's events was organized by the women's march. celebrities, journalists, throughout the country tried them on an tv channel nickelodeon went dark for 17 minutes to show support for "kids leading the way." in new york city, andrew cuomo joined in and in baltimore, that city spent 100 grand to transport students to anti-gun rallies. they cannot afford trash cans or streetlights. meanwhile in virginia, 65 students walked out of an elementary school as of kids under ten can go anywhere by themselves. whether you like the kids and you like what they're saying, you should be opposed to this because kids should not be used to advance political agenda and its . that's why they can't vote or a

drink or buy guns. they're being exploited and that's what the left has always done. south africa used kids as propaganda in the '80s. causes usually are morally defensible. an entire generation of kids grow up to learn that activism is more important than learning and a lot of them regret it now, they were exploited and there being exploited here. no matter what they chant, the enemy of the adults behind this isn't the nra, it's anyone who opposes their broader agenda. that's people who have no power at all. the message is simple, stand against us and you're against children and therefore you're a monster and if you're a monster, you deserve to be destroyed. it's kind of moral blackmail. igor, thank you for coming on. my complaint is not that people disagree with him a second amendment. my first problem is the use of children to make a political

point. would you, for example, i know you support what happened today, have a problem if these kids were being driven by their teachers and buses to an nra rally or if they were regulating against transgender bathrooms? how would you feel about that? >> i love the students who are out there engaging the democratic process, students who were doing what teachers want them to do, with teachers teach them to do and that is take part in critical thinking, find some something they believe in and fight for it. you saw the students -- >> tucker: you didn't answer my question. if they were taken to pro-life marches or something you disagreed with, how would you feel? would you say that's totally cool? >> a hypothetical question of do i think students should be taken against their will? >> tucker: no, if teachers across the country were sending kids saying let me help you get

to emerge, that represented something you found morally repugnant, would you be supportive on principle? >> if your premise is should students be taken somewhere by teachers where they don't want to go, i agree that shouldn't happen. you heard the students after the shooting, you heard with the students said, they believe in their gut and the reason is that they've experienced these bullets, they buried their classmates. nobody's forcing that. >> tucker: kids who are under the care of a teacher who has control of their grades and life are not free agents. they can't act fully independently as you and i can because there under the control of an authority figure. this is really simple, this is why teachers aren't allowed to have sex with students. so why are teachers allowed to

direct kids? it's simple. >> because they teachers are not directing students to do anything. this is a student lead. this is the power of this movement of this moment is that now we are in a situation where students are saying enough is enough from the lawmakers who don't want to change the gun laws, enough is enough from the nra who wants to post their guns everywhere. that's what they're doing. that's what's inspiring about all of this. >> tucker: if i can make an obvious point which is that kids can't vote, kids of the age of most of the students, 16-year-olds can't vote, so they're actually not in the democratic process and we've agreed that they shouldn't be in the democratic process, we've agreed that until they can make rational decisions, they can't vote and by the way, you don't want them to buy guns. if they're too young to buy guns, why should they be making my gun laws?

i'm asking you what you think. why should people who don't have a right to buy guns have the right to make my gun laws? is a simple question. >> they are not making my gun laws. as citizens in this country, they are allowed -- >> tucker: their children, their americans, but they aren't adults. they can't drink alcohol, a lot of them can't drive cars. my difference between an adult and a child. >> up my point is, they've been placed in this situation where their wives are in danger in american schools and the reason is because of decisions that lawmakers made and because of the agenda of the nra that wants to put even more guns in their classrooms. i think it's unknowable for them -- >> tucker: if one of their teachers, some scary alt-right

person was taken them to a milo rally, you'd be freaking out. if there were 50,000 kids going to a myla rally right now taken by their teachers from fort worth, you would say this is the end of america. >> what they believe in this. tucker, you have students bury their friends. you had students who lose friends and that happens all across the country. >> tucker: what you're doing is engaging in the classic moral blackmail techniques. you say if you oppose what i believe, you are against. let me ask a rational question. you have sent out a number of tweets saying the cops are racist.

i'm not attacking you. i'm trying to get to a question. if you believe that the police have a problem with racist violence, why do you want the police to be the only people to have guns? it's a simple question. >> i don't want the police to begin with people who have guns. i want to move us to a country where we have fewer guns and we don't have an assault weapons back and kill people. >> tucker: the comps you described as racist, do they have assault weapons? >> i'm arguing that racism plays a role in the disproportionate murder of young black men. >> tucker: thin wire you so trusting of these people? >> i want to have a serious

conversation. we were laughing. >> tucker: numerous children went out of their way to pander. >> we need laws, not nice thoughts and prayers. >> of the nra has made a public enemy number one and i'm proud of it. >> are you going to vote out of office the people who take the gun lobby money? >> the nra has held congress hostage >> we need a vote malm we need a vote now. >> tucker: what do you make of this march? >> a couple of things are going

on and your prior gas to, nancy pelosi did it. it was a rally that was supposed to target school violence, not pass legislative items, but shame on us for bringing it up. where the ones who are the kids. first he did the appeal to emotion where they talk about emotion as if a motion is reason in this case. of course we all feel horrible for what happened in parkland. there is no dispute there, but what he does is he confuses the emotion surrounding the situation with reason and reasonable measures going forward would reduce school violence. he did something else that i found particularly disturbing. liberals do this all the time. they do this utopian fallacy where they say things that are clearly nonsensical designed to make you look foolish. what they do is they say things like we all want fewer guns in school. of course we do, but you don't get to pick that.

the bad guide does. you think the bad guy walks in the school and goes "there's a sign up that says we want fewer guns in school, let me turn around" we don't live in a utopia in a perfect world and it's infuriating having a debate with people who constantly engage in these silly tactics, never want to get anything reasonable done, and they do it strictly to make you look silly. >> tucker: how would you feel if your child's teacher was privatizing about a specific point of view and then brought them to a political rally, wouldn't you have a right to be outraged and say that's not why you're sending them to school? >> i'd be pretty pissed. i sent my kids to school for reading, writing, and arithmeti arithmetic. i, unlike a lot of liberals

encourage my daughters to go back to school and make their case and make it and a reasonable fashion. if the teacher gives them a bad grade, we can fight that fight, but that's what reasonable people do. they don't encourage kids to walk out of school during the middle of the day. god forbid one of these kids walking out of school was hit by a car or something like that. i don't send my kids to school to engage in a political protest. >> tucker: you ought to pull your kids out immediately if they are exported the way these kids are being in my opinion. dan, thank you, great to see yo you. the press were almost unanimous and their positive finding of today's walkouts, here's a selection. >> i'm already choked up thinking it's kids, it's kids leading the nation begging for school safety because the adults have failed them. the power of these young people, the decisions they make, they cannot be bought, they are fearless. >> it's pretty incredible to see these kids are all different ages. some is or has 14, 13 years old.

not wanting to be underestimated about what they have to say. there's a lot of powerful moments here at the nation's capital. students across the nation are saying enough. >> tucker: joe concha writes about media for the hill and has to watch that all day long. we are only hiring dumb people in tv news. when did that happen? did and in order go out? >> reporters jobs -- she's an anchor, she is not. they are there to simply report. i go back to the movie broadcast news. i don't know if you remember this, the early 1980s at the end of this report where they are talking about an event where they have what a tragedy, he said in other words, i think we are all going to be okay now and his producer, station chief back

in the control room looks up at the monitor and says who cares what you think? that's consequently away now because we're having anchors and jacked up unit and -- >> tucker: i think that about myself every day. issues like this gun control, abortion, social issues, the press has always been completely on one side. i've never seen entire tv networks devote their coverage to the contribution of the marches which is what happened today. alliant definitely has been crossed. it wasn't this way two years ago. >> if this is activism in many quarters at this point and it is taking aside. i did see, or hear any way, when interview today that didn't get a lot of play and it came from a different perspective and it came from somebody who's a very famous person, one of the great nba players of all time, went to a police academy after he retired and became an unofficial deputy and his name is shaquille o'neal. here's what he told wabc radio in new york.

he said "the government should give law enforcement more money, give more money, and the guys were not willing to go onto the streets, you put them in front of schools, you put them behind schools, you put them inside of schools. shaquille o'neal goes on to argue that banning guns simply is not something that will work alone because there is 300 million of them out there and this is the type of solution that deserves many, many different ideas being brought forward and instead what we're seeing now is the media pushing one idea forward which is if you ban guns, used up the problem and it's much more copperheads of than that. >> tucker: if we ban guns, we should start with the bodyguards and network news division. let's spread the pain around a little bit. it shouldn't just be widows in west texas who have to give up their protection. viacom shut down its programming entirely and went black. i've never seen a channel turn down advertising dollars. that's ultimately they felt about this. >> i read about this early this morning. viacom is a media company and

they own several networks. whether it be black argument network, comedy central, nickelodeon, mtv, for 17 minutes at 10:00 a.m., 17 being the number of people who were killed in parkland. they ceased all regular programming and nickelodeon's case, they said we're shutting down because the kids are leaving and we are here to support them. i'm paraphrasing, that's basely what they said. that's advocacy, activism. you can agree or disagree, but the same time, this was an unprecedented event that we solve via viacom this morning. >> tucker: if they care, they would pay the college scholarships and everybody in parkland. i think they will somehow. great to see you. >> what you get a bodyguard? i don't get a bodyguard. >> tucker: cable, and allowed to answer that. texas just won a big victory. it could mean jail time for processing for a politician's.

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♪ >> tucker: a federal appeals court handed a victory to the state of texas today and upheld the state law banning sanctuary cities and allowing the state to comply with federal law. the law threatened officials with jail if they refused to cooperate with federal immigration authorities. meanwhile, nine immigrants have sued the administration over its decision to revoke temporary protective status for several countries. the status is supposed to provide short-term deportation relief from those who arrived.

thousands have been protected for decades. those people are saying removing their status would be racist. lee guillen is deputy director and he joins us from new york. as i understand it, you're upset that texas is following federal law? it's because we're not upset that texas is following federal law, we don't think they're following federal law. that's one of our claims. what we are concerned about is that the trump administration is not going to have localities enforcing immigration law. these are not trained individuals, they don't always do it. they're not doing it when there are serious criminals and their localities. they were doing it with serious criminals. what they don't want to do is become regular immigration agents going after people whose visas have expired. >> tucker: i know we've taken us off the table as a culture in the cable tv world, but if

someone's here illegally, why shouldn't anybody who is here illegally be subject to deportation? >> i don't think that's the question. >> tucker: that is never the question, but can we ask it really quickly? is that a crazy idea? there are 11 11 million people here, why would it be out of hand to say that's the law. if you like the law, change it. but as a law stands, you've got to leave now. with that be bad? >> we're not saying there should be open borders, but we do think people should have an individualized determination because many of those people do have a right to stay. for example, there are people from iraq who have been here a long time. the trump administration wants to remove them and says you have a final order. it's clear they're going to be tortured if sent back. we are asking for more time so they can present a motion for relief so they won't be tortured. those are a lot of the 11 million people were talking about. >> tucker: i know you're a lawyer, that's not a lot of the

11 million people. you're an aclu lawyer, you are at the of this debate. how would you feel about it if steve king's estate, iowa said everybody who's here, everybody working at the hog plant who is here illegally has to leave it with the aclu challenge that? >> what we would challenge as a lack of due process for people. if you're just picking them up and removing them without any individualized hearing, we would challenge that. to get back to the texas law that you want me to talk about, i think the danger there is that localities autonomy is being usurped. we lost in this court, but that was on the face of the statute. the courts made clear that we should come back and challenge the implementation of the law if we see anything wrong. i think people want to be on look out for a few things.

one is that texas made a concession during the litigation that the fifth circuit accepted which is that if the locality can't do with cocooperation because a resource restraint, they shouldn't be forced to do it. we're forced the trump of administration is going to be pushing localities to do it regardless of resources. so would you look at whether or not texas complies with that. will also be looking at whether local officials know how to do it. >> tucker: again, not a lawyer, but you're in new york, texas is its own state. if they decide they want to do this, who are you to say that they shouldn't be allowed to? >> it's not me individually. i didn't mean me, i meant the aclu. we are representing police chiefs, sheriffs, marist on there. one of our plaintiffs is the sheriff of maverick county. he was border patrol for 25 years. he's not against enforcing

immigration law, but what he is against is having his police force co-opted so if it's not a dangerous criminal, he doesn't want to have to use his resources to go after a visa violator. >> tucker: editor to take that seriously, but thank you for the explanation. i appreciate it. a college student agreed with the vast majority of people over the vast majority of human history. only two genders. he joined us next to tell us what happened. lergy spray relieves six symptoms, claritin-d relieves eight, including sinus congestion and pressure. claritin-d relieves more.

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professor, allison downey who was so threatened because you disagreed with her that she tried to get you to sign some form apologizing for your unorthodox not allowed thoughts and then what happened? >> she asked that i would sign a document complying with her asking me to apologize to the class as well as giving her a written apology. she asked i would stand in front of the class in silence as i apologized and they would give any comments on my outburst. >> tucker: did she say what specifically she was so offended by? >> she didn't like the fact that i disagreed with the subject being pushed in class, being more than one gender, male privilege, systemic sexism and man's planing >> tucker: is mansplaining a

measurable thing question mike what is that? >> i think it's any time a man speaks really. it is not measurable. >> tucker: of course, it's propaganda. what was it that you said specifically that made her so mad? >> i first referenced the economists and stated that biologist don't agree that there are more than two genders, they don't believe that there are 72 genders or more across-the-board. most. most of them disagree. she didn't appreciate that. >> tucker: by citing the long-standing view of biologists, the hard scientists allison downey, she's a professor, she tried to get you to stand in front of the class to take abuse. did you do that? >> no, i didn't. i was supposed to come up she didn't give me a chance. i was given ten days to comply, but the day after she asked this

of me, she decided to push it to the university provost office to then hold a hearing which would decide whether or not i could be allowed in class period. >> tucker: why do you go to this school? what are you getting out of this exactly? >> i initially went for athletics my freshman year, but that's a long gone dream now. i'm pretty much just stuck here. >> tucker: i wish i could hire you, i would encourage you or anyone else to join the workforce. it's not worth it. this is a joke. you're a brave man for coming on, thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: elizabeth warren is continuing to assert and flaunt her native identity. cherokee genealogists look into it and say the whole thing is pure nonsense. it's kind of offensive actually. she joins us next. >> tech: at safelite autoglass

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>> tucker: we've got live pictures for you looking at the air force base right outside of washington, d.c. that's the airport the president uses. he just landed back from california where he was among other things looking at prototypes of a border wall. his back in town. some of your elizabeth warren continues to insist that she is a genuine american indian in spirit if not genetically and to support her claim, she said her parents, who she claims had to elope due to racist objections to her mother's part indian heritage. twyla is an indian genealogist and she joins us tonight. is elizabeth warren a cherokee indian? >> no.

>> she's not enrolled. she has no family, she has no indication of indian ancestry anywhere and her lineage. >> tucker: and yet she represented herself as one for years and was promoted on the basis of her claim that she was an american indian. she also has this story which you just repeated the other day about her parents being subject to the racism of the times because one of the most part native american. what do you know about that? is that true? >> i don't believe it's true, but they were married by a prominent minister and a town just maybe 15 miles away. he was prominent enough that he basically put that religion in oklahoma and he helped found a college there in that religion. i don't think he would have done a wedding for her two kids that

ran away and eloped and their parents didn't approve. also, elizabeth warren's father had at least one brother and one sister who also just went and had small weddings the same way. i think it's the way their family did things at the time. i don't think it was in elopement. >> tucker: she's claim that for years and held herself up as the victim of american racism conveniently. nobody has looked into this until you're dead. there's a lot of american indians in oklahoma, what do they think of these claims? >> i can't speak for all of them, i can speak for the ones that i talked to and some just laugh because it's so ludicrous. she has no proof of anything. she's a lawyer and she is supposed to understand, you need proof, yet she keeps claiming. many are angry because they feel

like she is appropriating an identity to gain something from that. she has no respect for true native americans. >> tucker: i think all of that is true. it's identity theft, there is no doubt. twyla, thank you for settling that for us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tucker: changes the american economy have devastated working age men and the numbers are more surprising. part two of our "men in america" series is next. ♪ come to my window ♪ ohh ♪ crawl inside ♪ wait by the light of the moon ♪ applebee's to go. order online and get $10 off $30. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.

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>> tucker: they are invisible in washington come on, and by the official unemployment numbers that you hear on television, yet they're everywhere. americans that have dropped out

of the workforce, workers who don't work. an ever increasing percentage of these are male. about 7 million american men between the ages of 25 and 54 no longer have jobs. that's more than 10% of the entire prime age male labor force in the united states. as a huge number. most of those studies predict men will never return to work. what happened? some of the causes are well-known. competition from foreign manufacturers crushed our country's industrial sector. china's entry into the wto alone destroyed american jobs. a disproportionate number of these jobs are in traditionally male industries. our 2016 mckinsey report found that "90% of the elders, cutters, solders jobs could be replaced by robots and would be soon." three of the five fastest growing professions are

dominated by women. the jobs that remain for men tend to pay less then the once disappeared. this is especially true for working-class men who unlike their female counterparts have seen their real wages fall over the time. the real reason for that is mass immigration. more than a million new immigrants enter this country every year illegally. a large but unknown number, illegally. all of them are looking for work. these new arrivals compete primarily with the very americans most likely to have lost their jobs and the effect is lower wages. it's a matter of supply and demand. an overabundance of anything makes it cheaper and that goes for labor. one study conducted in florida found americans with lower education levels in miami, the most vulnerable saw their wages fall by 37% after the immigrants arrive. policymakers didn't seem to notice and they still don't, probably because doesn't affect them.

how long with the borders stay open if these people were becoming lawyers? now these men are making less and their fathers. as a betrayal of the american dream, but it's also a recipe for societal collapse. when men's wages decline, families fell apart. this fact is well known to researchers. it's a subject of many studies over the dockets with consistent results. yet it's really noted in public. here's some of what we know. one well-regarded study from last year that when men's wages fell relative to women's, families did in form. according to the authors, a falling mill wage produced infertility and marriage rates. in the words of one of the authors, an economics professor at mit "we find a decline in

fertility, marriage, but arrives in a fraction of births that are disadvantage as a consequence, the kids are living in pretty tough circumstance." numerous academic studies have reached the very same conclusion. research from 2015 found that "a randomly chosen woman becomes more likely to earn more than a randomly chosen man, marriage rates decline. those who do marry report being less satisfied and are more likely to divorce. low mail wages are a driving force and family dissolution and that's why affluent neighborhoods in which men make more have a higher proportion of married couples and fewer divorces. the opposite is also true and that leads to a cascade of social problems which over time become a disaster. men who make lower wages mary les and father more children out of wedlock. these children growing up without fathers to make less themselves later in life. for decades, this was a recognized pattern and enter cities. the cycle of poverty. much is written about.

now the same is true in rural america. the problem is in culture. in both cases, the cause of the same. a lack of well-paying jobs for men. what's striking is how little notice these facts get from our policymakers. there are over is to raise women's wages above men. there is nothing inherently wrong with that, but these are complex questions with numerous and profound unintended consequences, so they deserve a vigorous public debate. it's notable that most women, the very population on whose behalf these policies are supposedly devised strongly prefer to marry men who make more than they do. what's beyond debate is that washington in corporate america aren't thinking a lot about how to solve the male wage crisis. lawmakers in both parties for example have hardly embraced self-driving vehicles and drawn delivery of packages. it's all impressive technology,

but what would be the effect on employment? has anyone asked that? there are more than 3 million professional truck drivers in this country, it is the most common job in the majority of american states. more than 90% of drivers are men. thanks to technology, many of these men are about to lose their jobs. that's a lot of unemployed americans. that's a lot of broken families. washington is not worried at all about this. they'll find something else to do, something better in fact with higher pay. maybe they will, but keep in mind, they say the same thing about manufacturing jobs 30 years ago. david has done a lot of research on the subject things are coming on. it's clear that there is a male employment and wage crisis and it's clear that's driving family dissolution in the middle of the country which is why we are

seeing same social pathologies. it's about wages. why aren't our policymakers responding to this? >> first of all, we have to agree that it's a crisis. imagine 90 lambeau field, 90 stadiums full of men missing in action from our workforce. we have a concept of a problem. obviously this is a terrible effect on men, men are far more likely to want to work and therefore far more likely to be depressed when things aren't working out. if we can at least agree on those basic facts, which we know from a myriad of studies, i think it's a good starting plac place. >> tucker: there seems to be resistance on the part of policymakers, even to acknowledge the problem as if, at this is just a guess, it's somehow an attack on women to acknowledge that there is a male employment crisis. politics seem to play a role. >> it definitely plays a role and so does our culture and of course, that's silly.

you can care about women and you can care about men. feminism taught us that what hurts one sex hurts us all. if we can take some of the gender politics ironically out of a discussion that's happening to men, perhaps we can start to treat them as people. >> tucker: the conversation appears to have moved from what you just said, and acknowledges that they thrive when each is thriving to a zero-sum understanding where my loss is your gain and vice versa. when did that change? speak out you could argue with a feminism the 1970s, but that's a long time ago. a half-century ago nearly and i would just say it's politically incorrect to talk about the crisis among men if you read a

lot of liberal publications. can you imagine if we apply that to other groups that are experiencing unique downsides of our economy? we have a crisis and i think we can get past -- the hardest part will get past the politics. it increases the rates of depression in these men, divorce, they go to church less, they certainly remove themselves from society. at the downward cycle. they watch more television, just a dire situation. >> tucker: there is a reluctance to have serious conversation pluralists, there never debated more. there's technology on the horizon that will displace millions of american workers disproportionately men, i never hear the implications of that.

>> it's treated like a natural disaster and it's been treated like a natural disaster for decades and it's infuriating. of course, autumn is age and of the industrialization is a crisis, but man made decisions that impact of this crisis and they still do. as we move forward with automation, we have to consider the downside the good of it will bring. >> tucker: they treat market capitalism like religion rather than a useful economic system, but we can't do anything. >> it's true on both sides. >> tucker: david, thank you. i appreciate it. we have an addition to our "men in america" series on friday. micro will continue this conversation and of course, the series continues next friday at 8:00 p.m. don't miss it.

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>> tucker: exercise career richard simmons is a very nice guy, he's being forced to pay almost $130,000 to the "national enquirer" and radar online after they claimed he was planning to transition into a woman. the claims were alive, so slam dunk case. his case was thrown out, at least superior court judge ruled there was nothing defamatory about being identified as transgender, even if it's alive. in fact, the basic idea was absurd and that means simmons has to pay the inquirer's legal bills, but he should take heart. in a few years, and will likely be defamation to say somebody isn't transgender. that's where were going. he made it get -- he may get it back on the back end.

this is the show that is "the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink." ." also assured it's resolutely defending dogs and some are dying on airplanes. sean hannity is next. >> sean: thank you. welcome to "hannity" ," the attorney general jeff sessions is reviewing fbi recommendation to fire disgraced former deputy director andrew mccabe just days before he is such a collect of big fat government pension. for this to happen, something explosive had to of been discovered. this potential major development means the release of the doj inspector general's report on the fbi's handling of the fbi case? we'll see. also breaking tonight, liberal hypocrisy knows no bounds. gun grabbing democrats show up at