most-watched, most trusted, most gratefully spent the evening with us. good night from washington. i am ed henry and for shannon bream. i will see you tomorrow night. >> tucker: well, good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." if you've been watching tv today, you know that thousands of children walked out of school across america, demanding the passage of new gun-control laws. this follows the mass shooting in parkland, florida, of course. the walkout was being hailed by the ruling class as an act of moral bravery, but of course students do not act independently, brave as they may be. they can't act independently. they're under control of adults, in this case, by definition. they're in school. so when you hear 16-year-olds scream "hey, nra, how many people did you kill today?" you can guess about whether they know what they're saying and whether they really believe it. some of them do. but you can be certain adults are behind it, and they are. today's events were organized by the women's march with the support of dozens of other groups, from michael bloomberg's gun lobby to planned parenthood.

celebrities, journalists, political elites across the country cheered them on. the tv channel nickelodeon went dark for 17 minutes to show support for "kids leading the way." in new york city, a student die-in was joined by the governor of the state, andrew cuomo. in baltimore, that city spent more than 100 grand in taxpayer money to transport students to anti-gun rallies. this in a city with one of the highest murder rates in the nation, a city that cannot afford trash cans or streetlights.tr meanwhile in alexandria, virginia, 65 students walked out of an elementary school, as if kids under ten can go anywherere by themselves. whether you like the kids and you like what they're saying, and you may, but you should be opposed to this because kids should not be used to advance political agendas.s. anyone's.us why? because they're children. they are not old enough to haveo the perspective that adults do. that's why we don't let them vote or a drink or, if today's protesters have their way, buy guns. and so it's wrong to exploit them, which, by the way, is exactly what was being done to them today, what the left is doing and has always done from mao's red guards to right now.

the anc in south africa used kids as political props in the '80s. their cause was obviously morally defensible. causes usually are morally defensible. but in the process, an entire generation of kids learned to believe that activism is more important than learning. and a lot of them regret it now. they were exploited, and they're being exploited here. no matter what they chant, i remember that the enemy of the adults behind this isn't the nra. it's anyone who opposes their broader agenda. that's mostly people who have no power at all. so the message from our elites is really simple. "stand against us and you're against children and therefore you're a monster. and if you're a monster, you deserve to be destroyed." it's a kind of moral blackmail. igor volsky is director of guns down america and he joins us tonight. igor, thanks for coming on.. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: so my complaint is not that people disagree with me on the second amendment. i think it's totally legitimate. and i think it's fair to have a debate on this. >> i mean, i probably agree with you, actually. >> tucker: well, maybe you do. maybe you do. my first problem is the use of children to make a political point. so would you, for example, i know you supported what happened today, have a problem if thesef kids were being driven by their

teachers in buses to an nra rally or if they were rallying against transgender bathrooms? the march for biology. how would you feel about that? >> you know what i love to see? i love to see students who are out there engaging in the democratic process, students who are doing really what teachers want them to do, what teachersrs teach them to do, and that is take part in critical thinking, find something they believe in and fight for it. i mean, you saw the students -- >> tucker: there's no criticalin thinking here. you didn't answer my question. if they were taken to pro-life marches or anti-gay marriage marches or something you disagreed with, by teachers -- >> i disagree with your premise. >> tucker: no, but how would you feel? would you say that's totally cool? my question is really simple. >> in your hypothetical question of do i think students should be taken against their will somewhere to do something. >> tucker: no, no, no. no, no, no. if teachers were abetting a march, if teachers across the country were saying to kids, let me help you get to a march that represented something you found morally repugnant, would you be supportive on principle?

would you say this is them engaging in the democratic process? for guns, for example. >> i mean, if your premise is should students be taken somewhere by teachers where they don't want to go, i agree that shouldn't happen.ud >> tucker: would you be for it if you didn't agree with it? >> you heard the students after the shooting. you heard what the students said. they believe this in their gut and the reason is, tucker, is 'cause they've experienced these bullets. they've heard these bullets. they buried their classmates. that's why they're doing this. nobody's forcing them. >> tucker: what you're doing is -- and i'm not saying -- kids who are under the care of a teacher who has control of their grades and life are not free agents. they can't act fully independently as you and i can because they're under the control of an authority figure. this is really simple. this is why teachers aren't allowed to have sex with students. because they're in powerur and the kids aren't. so why are teachers allowed to direct kids toward a political ideology? it's really simple. >> because the teachers are not

directing students to do anything. this is student led. this is the power of this movement of this moment is that now we are in a situation where students are saying "enough is enough" from the lawmakers who don't want to change the gun laws. enough is enough from the nra who wants to push their guns everywhere agenda. we're going to push for change. that's what they're doing. that's what's really inspiring about all of this. >> tucker: if i can make an obvious, almost technical point, which is that kids can't vote. kids of the age of most of these students, 16-year-olds can't vote, so they're actually not in the democratic process. and we've agreed that they shouldn't be in the democratic process. we've agreed that until they can make rational decisions, they can't vote and by the way, you don't want them to buy guns. if they're too young to buy guns, why should they be making my gun laws? >> but you know who wants them to buy guns?uy the nra. the nra specifically markets -- >> tucker: who cares about the nra? i'm asking you what you think.

why should people who don't have a right to buy guns have the right to make my gun laws? it's a simple question. >> they are not making your gun laws. >> tucker: they're influencing them. >> yeah, and as citizens in this country, they are allowed -- >> tucker: they're not citizens. >> not citizens? >> tucker: they're children. they're not 18. they're americans, but they don't have the full rights of citizenship because they're not adults. they can't drink alcohol. a lot of them can't drive cars. you don't want them to buy guys and they can't vote. is there a difference between an adult and a child? >> i mean, of course. >> tucker: then why don't you acknowledge that then? >> my point is, they've been placed in this situation where their lives are in danger in american schools. and the reason is because of decisions that lawmakers made and because of the agenda of the nra that wants to put even more guns in their classrooms. i think it's okay for them -- in fact, noble for them to say -- >> tucker: i get it. because you like it. but if they were going out, if one of their teachers, some scary alt-right person was taking them to a milo rally, you would freak out, as you know. and you know. just admit it.

let's be honest with each other. if there were 50,000 kids going to a milo yiannopoulos rally right now, taken by their teachers from fort worth, you would say "this is the end of america." >> students aren't doing this -- going to milo rallies -- because that's not what they believe. they believe in this. tucker, you had students bury their friends. you had students lose friends and that happens all across the country. >> tucker: the theatrics. pull back. >> it's not theatrics. i don't understand why you're dismissing. >> tucker: i'm not in any way dismissing. what you're doing is engaging in the classic moral blackmail techniques of the left, which is rather than make a rational case, you point to children and say, "if you oppose what i believe, you are against them." let me ask a rational question. you have sent a number of tweets out recently saying the cops are racist. they kill a disproportionally high number of african-americans. >> have i? >> tucker: yes, you have. i'm not attacking you for that.. >> i don't tweet about that. >> tucker: racism plus police brutality plus guns equals

alton sterling, philando castile. >> hold on. are you questioning the -- >> tucker: i'm not attacking you. i'm not. it's the predicate to a question, which is this. if you believe that the police have a problem with racist violence, why do you want the police to be the only people to have guns? it's a simple question. >> i don't want the police to be the only people to have guns. i want to move us to a country where we have fewer guns and where we don't have assault weapons that can kill people. >> tucker: the cops you described as racist, would they have assault weapons? >> tucker, i'm not saying all cops are racist. >> tucker: i'm asking you a sincere question. >> i'm arguing that racism plays a role in the disproportionate murder of young black men. >> tucker: then i don't know why you are so trusting of police you say are killing people. >> you know that's not what i'm saying. look, i want to have a serious conversation. >> tucker: i'm trying to have a serious conversation! you're telling me i'm dismissing the children. [laughs] >> you are dismissing the children. you're laughing at -- >> tucker: i have four children.

i'm not dismissing the children. trust me. >> you're dismissing these children. >> tucker: of course i'm not. >> i think you are. >> tucker: numerous top democrats went out of their way to pander during today's protests.us watch. >> we need laws, not nice thoughts and prayers. >> the nra has made me public enemy number one and i'm proud of it. >> are you going to vote out of office the people who take the gun lobby money? and put your safety at risk? a >> the nra has held congress hostage for years now. these young people have shown up to spring us free. >> we need a vote now. we need a vote now. we need a vote now. >> tucker: dan bongino is a former secret service agent and contributor to nra tv. and he joins us tonight. hey, dan. what do you make of this march? >> a couple of things are going on and your prior guest did it, nancy pelosi did it.

a number of those politicians taking advantage of those kids at a rally at that was designed to reduce targeted school violence, not to pass legislative items on the democrat agenda but shame on us for bringing it up. we are the ones dismissing the kids, according to the left. your prior gas to do things. first he did the appeal to emotion where they talk about emotion as if the emotion is a reason in this case. of course we all feel horrible about what happened in parkland. point stipulated. no dispute there. but he confuses the emotions surrounding the situation with reason and reasonable measures that going forward would reduce school violence. he did something else i found particularly disturbing. the liberals do this all the time. they do this utopian fallacy where they say things that are clearly nonsensical designed to make you look foolish. what they do is they say thingss like, we all want fewer guns in school. of course we do, buts you don't get to pick that. the darn bad guy does.

the bad guy walks -- do you think the bad guy walks in school and goes, there is a sign up that says we want fewer guns in schools, let me turn around. we don't live in utopia. we don't live in a perfect world, and it's really infuriating have a debate with people who constantly engage in these silly tactics, never want to get anything reasonable done. they do this trick late to make you look silly. >> tucker: how would you feel if your child's teacher was proselytizing about a specific point of view and brought them on a bus to a political rally. wouldn't you have a right to be outraged since that's not why you are sending him to t school? >> outrage? i'd be pretty pissed. i send my kids to school for reading, writing, and arithmetic. i don't expect political indoctrination. if a teacher has a political opinion, it's happened to me before. i, unlike a lot of liberals, encourage my daughters to go back to school and make their case and make it in a reasonable

fashion. if the teacher gives them a bad grade, we can fight that fight, but that's what reasonable people do. they don't encourage kids to walk out of school during the middle of the day.na do you know what kept occurring to me? god forbid one of these kids walking out of school was hit by a car or something like that. i don't send my kids to school to engage in a political protest. >> tucker: you ought to pull your kids out immediately if they are exploited the way these kids are being, in my opinion. you ought to pull them out. it's a joke. dan, thank you, great to see you. the press were almost unanimous and their positive fawning ofiv today's walkouts, here's a selection. >> i'm already choked up thinking it's kids, it's kidss leading the nation begging for school safety because the adults have failed them.t' the power of these young people, the decisions they make, they cannot be bought, they are fearless.e >> it's pretty incredible to see these students of all different ages. a some 14, 13 years old.

not wanting to be underestimated about what they have to say. we are expecting visual, powerful moments here the nation'ser capital. students across the nation say enough. >> tucker: joe concha writes about media for the hill and has to watch that crap all day longw we are only hiring dumb people in tv news. when did that happen? did an order go out? only nonskeptical low i.q. people get microphones? >> reporters' jobs -- she's an anchor, she is not a pundit. they are there to simply report. i go back to the movie "broadcast news." he says i think we are all going to be okay now. his curmudgeon producer, station chief, looks at the monitor and

says who the hell cares what you think? we are having anchors insert opinion and emotion. >> tucker: i think that about myself every day. issues like this gun control, abortion, social issues, the press has always been completely on one side.ol i've never seen entire tv networks devote their coverage as an in-kind contribution to the marches which is what happened today. a line definitely has been d crossed. it wasn't this way two years ago. >> if this is activism in many quarters at this point and it is taking aside. i did see, or hear anyway, when interview today that didn't get a lot of play and it came from a different perspective. and it came from somebody who's a very famous person, one of the great nba players of all time, went to a police academy after he retired and became an unofficial deputy, a and his name is shaquille o'neal. here's what he told wabc radio in new york. he said "the government shouldol give law enforcement more money, give more money, and the guys

not ready to go onto the streets, you put them in front of schools, you put them behind schools, you put them inside of schools." shaquille o'neal goes on to argue that banning guns simply is not something that will work alone because there is 300 million of them out there and this is the type of solution that deserves many, many different ideas being brought forward and instead what we're seeing now is the media pushing one idea forward which is if you ban guns, used up the problem and it's much more copperheadsyo -- comprehensive than that. >> tucker: if we ban guns, we should start with the bodyguards at network news division. let's spread the pain around a little bit. it shouldn't just be widows in west texas who have to give up their protection. viacom shut down its programming entirely and went black. i've never seen a channel turn down advertising dollars. that's how strongly they felt about this.n >> i wrote about this early this morning. viacom is a media company and they own several networks. e

cable networks. whether it be blackk entertainment network, comedy central, nickelodeon, mtv, for 17 minutes at 10:00 a.m., 17 being the number of people who were killed in parkland.nu they ceased all regular programming and nickelodeon's case, they said we're shutting down because the kids are leaving and we are here to support them. i'm paraphrasing, that's basely what they said.id that's advocacy, activism. you can agree or disagree, but at the same time, this was an unprecedented event that we saw via viacom this morning. >> tucker: it is also cheap moral preening. if they cared, they would pay the college scholarships and everybody in parkland. great to see you. >> you get a bodyguard? i don't get a bodyguard. >> tucker: cable, and allowed to answer that. texas just won a big victory. it could mean jail time for pro-sanctuary politicians. that's up next.

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thousands have lived here for decades under that status. those people say removing their status would be racist. lee guillen is deputy director and he joins us from new york. as i understand it, you're upset that texas is following federal law? >> we're not upset that texas is following federal law, we don't think they're following federal law. that's one of our claims. what we are concerned about is that the trump administration is not going to have localities enforcing immigration law. these are not trained individuals, they don't always want to do it. they don't have the resources. one myth is that they are not doing it when they are serious criminals and their localities. what they don't want to do is become regular immigration agents going after people whose visas have expired. >> tucker: we have taken this off the table as a culture, as a cable tv world, but if someone is here illegally, why shouldn't

anybody who is here illegally be subject to deportation. >> i don't think that's the question. >> tucker: that is never the question, but can we ask it really quickly? is that a crazy idea? there are 11 million peopleer here, why would it be out of hand to say that's the law. if you don't like the law, change it.sa but as a law stands, you've got to leave now. would that be bad? >> we're not saying there should be open borders, but we do thint people should have an individualized determination because many of those people do have a right to stay. for example, there are people from iraq who have been here a long time. the trump administration wantsts to remove them and says you have a final order. a it's clear they're going to be tortured if sent back. we are asking for more time so they can present a motion for relief so they won't be tortured. those are a lot of the 11 million people were talking about. >> tucker: no, i'm sorry. i know you're a lawyer. that's not a lot of the 11 million people.

i would support them but they're not. you're an aclu lawyer, you are at the center of this debate. how would you feel about it if steve king's state, iowa said everybody who's here, everybody working at the hog plant who is here illegally has to leave? would the aclu challenge that? >> what we would challenge is a lack of due process for people. if you're just picking them up and removing them without any individualized hearing, we would challenge that. to get back to the texas law that you want me to talk about, i think the danger there is that localities' autonomy is being usurped. we lost in the appeals court, but that was on the face of the statute. the courts made clear that we should come back and challenge the implementation of the law if we see anything wrong. i think people ought to be on look out for a few things. one is that texas made a concession during the litigation that the fifth circuit accepted

which is that if the locality can't do the cooperation because of a resource restraint, they shouldn't be forced to do it. b we're concerned the trump of administration is going to be pushing localities to do it regardless of resources. we will look at whether or texas complies with that. >> tucker: again, not a lawyer, but you're in new york, texas is its own state. if they decide they want to do this, who are you to say that they shouldn't be allowed to? >> it's not me individually. i didn't mean me, i meant the aclu. we are representing police chiefs, sheriffs, mayors down there. one of our plaintiffs is the sheriff of maverick county. he was border patrol for 25 years. he's not against enforcing immigration law, but what he is against is having his police force co-opted so if it's not a

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>> tucker: america has experienced a rapid inflation of genders. at one point, biologists were allowed to determine what biology was and there were two, male and female. now there is agender, bi-gender, we could go on forever. the orthodoxy is that not everyone agrees, some people there are infinite genders but believe in science at their not everyone agrees. peril, it turns out. some people even science, at their peril, it turns out. lake ingle is one of them. he's a student. and in a religion class, he stated his belief that there are two genders because again, that's biology. he was told he had to apologize in front of the class while they critiqued him. lake ingle joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: i don't know if i was mischaracterizing this. you had this professor,of

allison downey who was so threatened because you disagreed with her that she h tried to get you to sign some form apologizing for your unorthodox not allowed thoughts and then what happened? >> right, she asked that i would sign a document complying with her asking me to apologize to the class as well as giving her a written apology. she asked that i would stand in front of the class in silence as i apologized and they would givo any comments on my outburst. >> tucker: did she say what specifically she was so offended by? >> she didn't like the fact that i disagreed with the subject being pushed in class, beingik more than one gender, male privilege, systemic sexism and man-splaining. >> tucker: is man-splaining a measurable thing? what is that? did you learn?

>> not sure, i think it's anyhi time a man speaks really. it is not measurable. >> tucker: it is a species of dumbness. it's propaganda. what did you say about gender that made her so mad? >> i first referenced like the economists and stated that i disagreed with the wage gap. and biologists don't agree that there are more than two genders. she didn't appreciate that.is >> tucker: by citing the long-standing view of biologists, the hard scientists, allison downey, she's a professor? she tried to get you to stand in front of the class to take abuse. did you do that?of >> no, i didn't. i was supposed to, but she didn't give me a chance. i was given ten days to comply, but the day after she asked this of me, she decided to push it to the university provost office to

then hold a hearing which would decide whether or not i could be allowed in class, period. >> tucker: why do you go to this school? why does anybody go to this school or any other school? what are you getting out of this exactly? >> i initially went for athletics my freshman year, but that's a long gone dream now. i'm pretty much just stuck here. >> tucker: man, i wish i could hire you, i would encourage youi or anyone else to join the workforce. it's not worth it. this is a joke. it's a bubble, we are all going to realize that in ten years. you are a brave man for coming on. appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: elizabeth warren is continuing to assert and flaunt her native identity. a cherokee genealogist looked into it and says the whole thing is pure nonsense. it's kind of offensive actuallyf she joins us next. risk of stroke due to afib,

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>> tucker: we've got live pictures for you looking at y andrews air force base right there. thede president just landed back from california where he was, among other things, looking at prototypes for a border wall. he's back in town senator elizabeth warren continues to insist that she is a genuine american indian in spirit, if not genetically, and to support her claim, she cites her parents, who she claims had to elope due to racist objections to her mother's part indianis heritage. twila barnes is a cherokee genealogist and she joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: if you could settle this for us to this is something your expert in. is elizabeth warren a cherokee indian? >> no. she's not enrolled.

she has no family on the rolls, she has built in negation of indian ancestry anywhere in her lineage. >> tucker: and yet she represented herself as one for years and was promoted on the basis of her claim that she was an american indian. she also has this story which you just repeated the other day about her parents being subject to the racism of the timesab because one of the most part native american. what do you know about that? is that true? >> i don't believe it's true, but they were married by a prominent minister and a town just maybe 15 miles away. he was prominent enough that he basically put that religion in oklahoma and he helped found a college there in that religion. i don't think he would have done a wedding for two kids that ran away and eloped and their parents didn't approve. also elizabeth warren's father

had at least one brother and one sister who also just went and had small weddings the same waye i think it's the way their family did things at the time. i don't think it was in elopement. >> tucker: she's claimed that for years and held herself up as the victim of american racism conveniently. nobody has looked into this until you did. there's a lot of american indians in oklahoma, what do they think of these claims? >> i can't speak for all of them.th i can speak for the ones that i talked to and some just laugh because it's so ludicrous. she has no proof of anything. she's a lawyer and she is supposed to understand, you need proof, yet she keeps claiming. many are angry because they feeu like she is appropriating an identity to gain something from that.

and she has no respect for true native americans. >> tucker: i think all of that is true. it's identity theft, there is no doubt. twila, thank you for settling that for us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tucker: changes in the american economy have devastated working age men and the numbers are more surprising. part two of our "men in americao series is next. "men in

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>> tucker: they are invisible in washington, uncounted by thea official unemployment numbers that you hear on television, yet they're everywhere. americans that have dropped out of the workforce, workers who don't work.er an ever increasing percentage of these are male.

about 7 million american men between the ages of 25 and 54 no longer have jobs. that's more than 10% of the entire prime age male labor force in the united states. a huge number. most of those men, studies predict, will never return to work. what happened? some of the causes are well-known. competition from foreign manufacturers crushed our country's industrial sector. china's entry into the wto alone destroyed american jobs. more than 2 million. automation is killing many more. a disproportionate number of these jobs are in traditionally male industries. manufacturing, agriculture, logging. a 2016 mckinsey report found that "90% of the welders, that "90% of the jobs welders, cutters, solderers do could be replaced by robots and would be soon." three of the five fastest growing professions are dominated by women.

the jobs that remain for men tend to pay less than the ones that disappeared. this is especially true for working-class men who unlikeen their female counterparts have seen their real wages fall over time.e the reason for that is mass immigration. more than a million new immigrants enter this country every year illegally. all of them are looking for work. these new arrivals compete primarily with the very americans most likely to have lost their jobs and the effect is lower wages. it's a matter of supply and demand. an overabundance of anything makes it cheaper and that goes for labor. one study conducted in floridaf found americans with lower education levels in miami, the most vulnerable, saw their wages fall by 37% after the immigrants arrived. policymakers didn't seem to notice, and they still don't, probably because doesn't affect them. if waves of immigrants are becoming lawyers and nonprofit executives and members of

congress, how long with the border stayde open? millions of american men now make less than their fathers did. that's a tragedy. it's a betrayal of the american dream, but it's also a recipe for societal collapse. when men's wages decline, families fell apart. this fact is well known to researchers., it's been a subject of many studies over the decades with consistent results. yet it's really noted in public. here's some of what we know. one well-regarded study from last year that when men's wages fell relative to women's, family student form. researchers noted a dramatic increase in out of wedlock births when men made less. in the words of one of the authors, "we see a decline in fertility, a decline in marriage, but arise in the

fraction of births that are disadvantaged. as a consequence, the kids are living in pretty tough circumstances." numerous academic studies have reached the very same conclusion. research from 2015 found that "when a randomly chosen woman becomes more likely to earn more than a randomly chosen man, marriage rates decline.e those who do marry report being less satisfied and are more likely to divorce." low male wages are a driving a force and family dissolution and that's why affluent neighborhoods in which men make more have a higher proportion of married couples and fewer divorces.en the opposite is also true and that leads to a cascade of social problems which over time become a disaster. men who make lower wages marry less and father more children out of wedlock. a these children growing up without fathers tend to make lower wages themselves later in life. for decades, this was a recognized pattern and enter

-- in inner cities. now the same is true in rural america. the problem isn't culture. in both cases, the cause of the same. a lack of well-paying jobs for men. what's striking is how little notice these facts get from our policymakers. their aim is to raise women's wages to parity or above men. there is nothing wrong with that but these are complex questions. they deserve a vigorous public debate. it's notable that most women, the very population on whose behalf these policies are supposedly devised, strongly prefer to marry men who make more than theysu do. but what's beyond debate is that washington and corporate america aren't thinking a lot about how toto solve the male wage crisis. if anything, they are exacerbating it. lawmakers in both parties for example have hardly embraced self-driving vehicles and drone delivery of packages.

it's all impressive technology, but what would be the effect on employment? has anyone asked that? there are more than 3 million professional truck drivers in this country, it is the most common job in the majority of american states. d more than 90% of drivers are men. thanks to technology, many of these men are about to lose their jobs. that's a lot of unemployed americans. that's a lot of broken families. washington is not worried at all about this. lawmakers and business leaders assure us those truck drivers will be just fine. they will find something else to do, something else with higher pay. maybe they will. but keep in mind, our leaders have the very same thing about manufacturing jobs 30 years ago. david paul kuhn is a political analyst. he is the author of what makes it worthy. he has done a lot of research on the subject. we are happy to have him. thanks for coming on. it's clear that there is a male employment and wage crisis and it's clear that's driving family dissolution in the middle of the country which is why we are the same social pathologies.

in rural america that we associated with cities. it's about wages. it's pretty clear from the data. why aren't our policymakers responding to this? >> first of all, we have to agree that it's a crisis. imagine 90 lambeau fields, 90 stadiums full of men missing in action from our workforce. we have a concept of a problem. obviously this has a terrible effect on men, men are far more likely to want to work and therefore far more likely to bef depressed when things aren't working out. if we can at least agree on those basic facts, which we know from a myriad of studies, i think it's a good starting place. >> tucker: there seems to be resistance on the part of policymakers, even to acknowledge the problem as if, and this is just a guess, it's somehow an attack on women to acknowledge that there is a male employment crisis. politics seem to play a role. >> definitely plays a role and so does our culture and of course, that's silly. you can care about women and you can care about men.

it's not either/or. feminism taught us that what hurts one sex hurts us all. that applies to women and it applies to men. there is a particular working, especially blue-collar crisis, among men. if we can at least take some of the gender politics, ironically, out of the discussion about what's happening to men, perhaps we can start to treat them as people. >> tucker: the conversation appears to have moved from what you just said, they thrive when each is thriving to a zero-sum understanding where my loss is your gain and vice versa. when did that change? >> you could argue with second wave feminism in the 1970s, but that's a long time ago. i would say obviously it's true it's still politically incorrect to talk about the crisis among men. if you read a lot of liberal publications, they will put the

word crisis," as if it's not real. can you imagine if we applied that to other groups that were experiencing unique downsides of our economy? so we have a crisis and i think if wee can get past it, the hardest part is getting past the politics. acknowledge it's affecting families and men and that increases the rates of depression in these men, divorce. they go to church last. they certainly remove themselves from society. and it'ss just a downward cycle. it increases the chances of drug use. they watch more television.ey it's just a dire situation. we have to take it seriously. >> tucker: there is a reluctance to have serious conversations about economic questions. they are not debated anymore. there's technology on the horizon that will displace millions of american workers, disproportionately men. self-driving cars, drones. i never hear the implications of that mentioned by anybody.

>> it's treated like a natural disaster and it's been treated like a natural disaster for decades and it's infuriating. of course, automazation of the industrialization it's a major crisis in this blue-collar crisis, this blue-collar mail crisis particularly. but manmade decisions impacted this crisis and theyy still do. as we move forward with automation, we have to consider the downside the good it will bring. >> tucker: they treat market capitalism like religion rather than a useful economic system, but we can't do anything.pi >> it's true on both sides. >> tucker: david, thank you. i appreciate it. we have an addition to our "men in america" series on friday. mike rowe will continue this conversation about the crisis of work and wages among americanti men, this friday. and the series continues next friday at 8:00 p.m. don't miss it.

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