>> jon: thanks for being with us today. >> melissa: outnumbered starts right now. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert on a very busy hour. president trump is set to speak at any moment now. we will take that at the friends of ireland lunch on on capitol hill after hosting ireland's prime minister at the white house earlier today ahead of saint patrick's day. all of it when it happens you will see it here. this as we await a decision from attorney general jeff sessions on whether he will fire fbi director, deputy director andrew mccabe. mccabe reportedly in the hot seat over reports that he lied to investigators who were looking into the handling of matters connected to the 2016 presidential campaign. you're watching outnumbered. i'm harris faulkner. here today town hall editor and fox news contributor katie pavlich. anchor of the intelligence report on fox business trish regan and former deputy

spokesperson for the state department and fox news analyst marie harf. in the center seat host of the revolution with steve hilton and ceo of crowd pac. ceo himself is outnumbered. steve: him here himself. >> harris: i'm great. are you great? >> i'm still shocked flying over from california how cold it can be in new york this time of year. >> harris: amazing how long winter is. i'm going to serve that groundhog. >> groundhog in lots of trouble. >> harris: let's get to the news. attorney general jeff sessions reportedly considering whether to fire deputy director andrew mccabe who has been on leave since january and set to retire on sunday. this stems from an internal doj investigation into activities during the 2016 election. including the hillary clinton email case. if mccabe is fired before 5:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow, he could lose a full pension that he has built after nearly 22 years of public service.

some of these concerns over mccabe were raised after revelations that his wife received questionable campaign donations during her 2015 run for virginia state senate. the money came from a political group run by virginia governor and long time clinton ally terry mcauliff. fox news legal analyst judge andrew napolitano weighed in on mccabe and jeff sessions upcoming decisions. >> he has become the poster boy for plif politicized and relatively -- fbi. neither the country wants. the stated purpose or whispered purpose because this hasn't come out yet for the firing is not the leaking because the fbi leaks but lying about leaking to investigators. and lying to investigators in the fbi is a stated purpose for firing. >> harris: wow. lying about leaking. your thoughts? >> i think there is a general point i want to make at the outset, which is that

in general i think these career civil servants, these brew cats have far too little accountability. they are behind the scenes. they love the fact that they are behind the scenes. they both about how they are really pulling the strings and the political people who are here today, gone tomorrow, they run rings around them. and they never ever suffer any consequences the things that they get wrong. and i think that is a real problem with how we run bureaucracies. in this case, this official process, remember, it's an official process. not a political one. concludes that he did something wrong. absolutely he should be held accountable. >> harris: so low accountability equal sign government. trish? >> trish: i think that's one reason why many of us feel and i'm not going to include marie on this, but many of us feel smaller government is better because what government has it spends and often squanders. and in the case of mccabe, it's very disturbing that he would lie to investigators. i mean, i can't even

imagine. i mean, with the seriousness of what is going on to be lying to investigators about what happened or how those leaks transpired. i myself was very disturbed by everything at the fbi that we have learned. for example, comey, you know, calling his friend up, who is a columbia university professor to have him leak to the "new york times" when simultaneously the president was saying my gosh the place is leaking like like a sieve. there is something wrong with leaking and lying to investigators. yeah, bureaucracy as usual, i suppose. >> harris: what do you think, katie, about this idea that he is going to retire on sunday and they could block his pension? >> well, i'm going to say that i have little faith that any accountability is going to happen for a couple of reasons. the first is that andrew mccabe can appeal the decision. so if the attorney general, who has been tasked with handing some kind of discipline according to an inspector general report, for andrew mccabe, it's up to him to make that decision, but whether he will be disciplined. mccabe can then appeal the decision, which will get

bogged down in years' worth of bureaucracy and eventually he will probably get off scot-free. we saw this with the irs scandal and lois learner who admitted that she was, you know, inappropriately targeting conservatives and yet she was able to retire early on paid leave and take her full pension and write off. he has already made the decision to leave. i'm not so sure -- i think sessions has to make the decision whether it's worth it for the appeal process to go through. unfortunately that means there is no accountability. >> harris: is it punitive then for them to block his pension before sunday and, does that seem fitting in terms of maybe accountability? >> we haven't seen the report yet. we're not exactly sure the details of what happened or what he is being accused of in this report. i think we need to see that part of the reason it feels punitive to me is because of the way the president and others have politically gone after andrew mccabe. in some way that makes it harder for jeff sessions to to do this because democrats would say donald trump say fire andy mccabe on twitter.

obviously politics played a role in taking away this person's pension. i have to imagine whatever being accused of different options for punishment. not all of which go firing or taking away someone's pension they have gotten over a long lifetime of service. as a former bureaucrat for 10 years, there are very good bureaucrats work selflessly for not much money every day to make our government run. there is. >> harris: absolutely they are not deputy director of the fbi. >> some of them are someone who has served under democratic and republican administrations. i don't want this tone from the couch to entirely be bureaucrats are lazy, they lie. >> harris: no one is saying that. >> i'm actually saying it's worse. >> defend my fellow bureaucrats. >> i wish they were lazy because they wouldn't do so much damage. the real problem is that bureaucrats. >> republicans felt differently when a democrat was in office. >> the elected officials. they try to get in the way

of the democratically. >> some of them. >> mandated promises that politicians make when they get elected. and they believe it is their duty to run the country according to what they consider to be the national interest. >> some of them, not all of them. >> that's why it would be better if they weren't so effective and -- >> katie: to steve's point about the federal bureau crazy and civil servant label. yes there are a number in government doing a good job. that doesn't mean there isn't accountability when people make mistakes. >> sure. >> katie: again glaring discrepancy private sector in companies versus what the government does. in terms of what andrew mccabe will go through, there will be a series of things that protect him despite how egregious or non- egregious this report might show he did. he will be protected by the system. >> harris: that's the very nature of the red tape that comes along with government. >> maria: not just red tape. there are protections in place so there isn't

politicization of the career civil servant. that's actually a very good. >> harris: we get that. >> exercise themselves because in the view of many people, they went after the president in a political sense. they are the ones who got. >> maria: there is not evidence that it was political. there were legitimate national security reasons to target carter page. >> harris: i want to make sure. you secretary of defense something that kind of is, i think, unfair. i don't think anybody on the couch is accusing anybody of being lazy. when trish talks about smaller government. you are talking about smaller government from the point of how much money it costs us and a whole host of reasons. there is nothing personal against civil servants. >> number of negative comments about civil servants on this couch. >> i think it's very important for the public to understand that the reason that so many things that politicians say they are going to do once they get elected never happen is because you have people inside the federal bureaucracy who are actively trying to stop it from happening. that's a real thing. that people need to understand about why democracy seems so broken.

>> katie: i will add to that gross -- people supposed to be serving the public is not attacking civil servants. holding them to the standards we are held to in the private sector. >> harris: hold on a second. trish, i want to go back to where me most recently saw andrew mccabe's name. that was in those text messages between agents who were having an affair peter strzok and lisa page. you know, they called him andy. and they were talking about things like an insurance policy toward who they wanted to see in the white house, potentially. i mean, there were some things that we saw with his name attached which is part of how we got here. is there bias at that agency was the question that came out. >> i think it's very clear there was definite, definite bias. we saw that in the text messages. we saw that in all that has come out thus far. whether it be from james comey, from andrew mccabe. and let's not forget mccabe himself, i mean, his wife, right? was running for office and had gotten money from big

democratic donors tied to clinton. i don't know how you are really able to separate church and state back at home when your own wife is being supported by the people that you are trying to protect. i mean, to me, it merits excusing yourself from that investigation. but, he didn't. and i know you are shaking your head no. but i just fundamentally think that that is wrong. and it's a perceived conflict of interest. and you can't have that. >> maria: none of these cabinet secretaries can be married to anyone political. >> harris: there is breaking news that's happening right now. have a chance to come back to this conversation. fox news alert. as the president and along in the room the prime minister of ireland are there for the friends of ireland luncheon for saint patrick's day. we are expecting the president now to speak. let's watch together. >> vice president pence, distinguished members of congress, so many wonderful people from ireland. so many friends and we

appreciate it for joining us on this special occasion. really is first time was last year. and i said that was a lot of fun. we will do it, guess, what do we have? six more left after this. [laughter] [applause] well, we are honored to welcome to shook. we have a long experience. you will explain it later. but we actually knew each other from a different life. and it was very successful. i also want to warmly welcome ambassador mulhall who has done an excellent job of representing a lot of good people. thank you very much, mr. ambassador. [applause] your wife greta, thank you, greta very much. and all of the -- really incredible irish delegates of many of whom i know very well. saint patrick's day is a time for us to honor and build upon the lasting bonds of our friendship between the united states and ireland.

bonds forged through a very common heritage, shared values. and a united vision for a peaceful and prosperous future. more than 30 million americans today claim irish heritage. that's why have you such power in the halls of congress and everywhere else. 30 million people. among the many wonderful americans who trace their roots back to ireland are elected leaders like paul, like kevin, like mike. i just have to look at almost this whole room. but, we have just a very grouch unbelievable leaders and a friend of mine cardinal dollan is a very, very proud person of ireland. it was our first catholic president, john kennedy, himself of irish dissents who set our nation's sights on the moon. we are looking at mars by the way in case anybody -- trying to top them.

[laughter] we're going to get there moving along pretty good. a lot of things have happened having to do with that subject. way ahead of schedule. and astronaut michael collins, how all know of irish dissent, and i piloted apollo 11 mission that implapghted the american footprint and american flag where no man has ever gone before. this impressive legacy of accomplishment is woven into our national character, the toughness, the grit, and the fighting irish resolve our fundamental american ways of life. so on this saint patrick's day we celebrate our long friendship and close ties with the people of ireland, special, incredible, wonderful people. and we look forward to an exciting future that we will all share together and it's an honor to have you with us. and i look forward to seeing you often. whenever there is a problem, you call. we'll solve it. okay? except for trade.

[laughter] they got those taxes so low. you are a tough one to compete with the taxes. congratulations. great job. thank you very much. [applause] >> harris: from the raburn room on capitol hill and you see there speaker of the house paul ryan. he introduced the president now he has more remarks. a fun event ahead of saint patrick's day. you heard the president talking about michael collins who helped pilot apollo 11. astronaut there in the room of irish dissent. he was calling out a few people there. using the gaelic word for prime minister that was impressive to shook. among the guest there as well. and, of course, we have already seen them already this morning. is he visiting the white house as they were together earlier. we will continue to follow the news on the day with the president and the visit by the prime minister of ireland as it happens. all right. we're going to move on with

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malignant russian cyber activity including their attempted interference in u.s. elections. destructive cyber attacks and intrusion targeting criminal infrastructure. these targeted sanctions are a part of a broader effort to address the ongoing nefarious attacks coming from russia. okay. so, steve, do these sanctions go far enough in terms of what they are doing? >> i think they are a really good start. i thought nikki haley was really strong at the u.n. that was great. much stronger than the british prime minister theresa may and what she has done. this announcement today is a step in the right direction. frankly, i don't think you are really going to get putin's attention and really get him to rethink his completely irresponsible and reckless sort of adventurism around the world until you really hit him where it hurts. and that is energy. his whole corrupt regime depends on energy. and at the moment, half of europe is totally dependent on russian energy.

angela merkel is basically keeping him afloat. she is new massive pipeline to buy energy from russia. what we have really got to do is actually have, i think, a complete energy boycott on russia. by the way, that's a huge opportunity for america so sell our energy around the world. then you will get his attention. >> i like that idea. >> trish: the flip side of that some would say oil is a commodity. at some point it gets kind of murky. it's hard to figure out where it's come from. and can you buy it wherever i like where you are going with this because to me sanctions are a huge opportunity. i think sanctions, tariffs, you name it we have a ton of economic power. we are the biggest economy in the world. we haven't used this power. we have allowed china to basically prop up north korea and continue trading with them. despite all of our calls not to. so, let's use that economic power and whether it means

sanctioning russia or going an russian oil. whether it means, you know, putting tariffs on chinese steel, i like, this because i always say i would much rather lose dollars than lives. before we spring forward into military action, god forbid somewhere, let's do everything we can economically. >> katie: harris, the big thing people are focusing on these sanctions are response to 2016 presidential influence by the russians. however, on a background call today with the white house, officials senior national security officials were saying that the russians intruded into the u.s. energy sector and to the sector that feeds the grid. that seems like a big headline as well. >> harris: that's to steve point why it would be one-on-one match. isn't it pressure on the states around them. reports of energy being cut off as they have tried to annex, you know, crimea in the early stages of it and ukraine. in the coldest moments in winter. this is a brutal country when it comes to see you uponning or cutting off

energy from others. so, yeah, it's also a one-on-one match for that i want to get back to something that you said and i wrote it down. you said political adventurism around the gob by mr. russia. interesting euphemismism for what they're doing. what really works against them? you can do the energy. at the end of the day, how do we stop them? >> honestly, i think that's it. i really do. he is-putin is a total corrupt clepto maniac. one of the richest people in the world that would be a nice thing to reveal to the russian people how much money he has personally stolen from them. we have that information. some of it came out in the panama papers in the follow-up to that. that would certainly embarrass him. i don't think you are going to get really serious change unless you undermine the foundations of his regime. and that is the economic foundations based on energy. they don't have anything else going for them. >> katie: the criticism they haven't gone far enough

election meddling and tough enough on russia. what do you think based on the position when you were at the state department. >> they are good first steps certainly. what i'm more focused on is making sure the government has a plan to prevent the interference from happening this year and we still haven't heard that i think you are hearing congress really push on this during some confirmation hearings. some oversight hearings. sanctions are a good tool to punish. but we need to make sure our infrastructure exactly as you said the fact they were in our energy infrastructure should be terrifying, we don't have a whole of government approach on that so far. i think it also underscores that bob mueller's investigation is actually finding out some good information. 13 of these people sanctioned were indicted by mueller. >> harris: you heard putin he has no intention of extra indicting those people. >> maria: the point is naming and shaming. on the energy question it's an interesting one. >> harris: do you think it's shame over there though? isn't it more like chest beating? >> maria: it's easy for us to say that europe should stop getting energy from

russia. much harder for europeans that would have to pay more. that's why you see political push back from people like stevmerkel. >> katie: condemn this murder of citizens that have russian connections. are we seeing a shift here in the united states come together with european partners against russia or just a statement? >> it's diplomats i can game-playing. i don't think it will make a difference at all. better than saying nothing. i don't think it's really going to change his attitude to this kind of behavior. we need to get much, much tougher. >> katie: we will see what happens. it's definitely not over. also not over in pennsylvania's 11 eighth district what the g.o.p. is saying about possible voting irregularities as republican rick saccone refuses to throw in the towel. plus, rex tillerson could be just for starters, the other major shakeups we could see in the west wing. who may go? who stays and what the president said about all of this in the past hour. ♪ ♪

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♪ >> a wonderful change. i think mike pompeo is going to be an incredible secretary of state. we have some wonderful ideas. i have gotten to know a lot of people over the last year. there will always be changed but very little. very false story. a very exaggerated -- a very exaggerated and false story there will always be change and i think you will want to see change. >> harris: president trump responding to more impending staff changes at the white house. sources telling fox news that more big shakeups could be in store as soon as this week. as president trump says he is close to having the cabinet and other things he wants. the potential changes include the departure of

h.r. mcmaster. john bolton. also said to be on his way out v.a. secretary david shulkin, energy secretary rick perry considered a top contend tore replace him. ray washburn who oversees the private investment could replace you will perry at energy. and replace mcmulvaney. we are told this is likely to be months down the road. the president will make the ultimate decision about all staff changes. he said the other day he is making these on his own. of course, awful this follows tuesday's announcement of the rex-it as i call it rex tillerson's exit. mike pompeo nominated to take that post. the president wants him in that job. steve? >> look, i think this is all good. some of the people who are on their way out, they are on their way out not because as some are argued they don't sort of see perfectly eye to eye with the president. they are on their way out because they are useless and

incompetent in the office. that's certainly pretty much everyone agree agree is one of e most useless secretary of states ever and also true of shulkin. they are out because they are no good. not because they are not yes men. and it's also true that it's important for an administration to have a sense of unity of purpose. i think it's completely natural that a president who is new to washington, who hasn't done this before arrives. he has all these people fisted on him. he is getting the hang of it and say i know what i want. that is it. this is all for the good. >> harris: katie, i want to push in with shulkin there are charges of use of funds and some question marks there. those same type of things are with the hud secretary to dr. ben carson. there are some places where the president may be looking and saying and you don't get a car and you don't get a car? >> katie: at the v.a. you have to remember president trump campaigned on v.a. reform and he is very serious about keeping his

campaign promises. and secretary shulkin under fire after this inspector general report came out showing he was using taxpayer money for fancy trips for his wife. and really he hasn't done much to reform the v.a. there are still a number of hospitals where veterans are waiting and dying for care. he is very hostile to any of those kinds of reform. trump is a guy who wants to come in and rip some things out and do things differently. i talked to a number of people yesterday. i know rick perry is on the list. i will talked to people who said rick hegseth co-host on "fox & friends" now. before he took that job he was in charge of a veterans organization who worked very hard on v.a. reform and had a lot of good yteds. >> harris: he was second in line after -- right behind shulkin. >> katie: in line with the first time around. he talks to the president a lot. definitely in line for shulkin job. >> harris: you spend a lot of time on fox business. i watch your show every day 2:00 p.m.: >> trish: thank you.

>> harris: ceos and how they see the world. there is a certain amount of turnover with ceos they consider to be a good idea. looking for that right person. >> katie: in business there is always a lot of turnover. new ceo comes in rejigger everything and put. in business you need to get it right. you don't always get it right the first time out of the gate. there is no let sense, i don't think if corporate america to say okay, we are going to do what it takes to get this right. so, turnover is a natural part of the process. and i think for this particular ceo, you would, ceo of america in president trump, he want to make sure he has the right people. there have been a lot of questions. i mean, i guess we could have mnuchin to the list as well, right, with the taking of the plane and using funds. that are not appropriate. pruitt as well. and you got to nip that stuff in the bud.

you have to have the right people. i don't fault him for saying okay, i gave you a shot. it's been a year. what have you done? nothing. okay, next. >> harris: but there comes a point though and you know this from working in administrations, there comes a point where you kind of have to, what is the phrase, fish or cut bait? he says he is getting some things -- one of the great things about him taking ownership of each one of these and saying you know what? i'm not doing these by committee. you get to see his vision and he can pull these things into play. there has been turnover. administration though. some of that you are right. >> maria: that's fine. at some point it does need to calm down and settle down. members of congress on the republican side will tell you it's hard for them to get things done when they are constantly changing people at the white house. they have had, you know, a lot of turnover. that's not actually good for governing. i will also say he seems to be surrounding people particularly on the national security side he seems to be surrounding himself with people who are more hawkish.

rex tillerson and h.r. mcmaster are more hawkish on policy. look at mike pompeo and john bolton, people much more hawkish as we talk north korea, iran, that could shape the policy going forward i think in a bad way. >> harris: as we move on, i would just end with this, we haven't seen a sign that any of this is stopping the president from moving forward. he has five, six a day where he is leading and doing things and putting policies forth. it's not slowing him down. >> maria: is not getting a lot done. we will see. >> katie: there is a lot going on. >> harris: republicans keep fighting for seat claimed to have been won by conor lamb. see if they will petition for a recount as both political parties assess what happened in that special election and what it means as we're even closer to the mid terms. stay close. fo

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>> katie: new developments in the democratic special election conor lamb holding a slight lead over republican opponent rick saccone in a race still too close to call. considering a possible recount and lawsuit over perceived voter irregularities. meantime reuters reports that a leading polling firm warned republican at a recent retreat that opposition to president trump could spur record democratic voter turnout and that intensity gap could put some state g.o.p. districts in jeopardy and threaten republican controlled congress. but president trump reportedly telling g.o.p. donors last night that democratic conor lamb did so well in deep red western pennsylvania because he is like, quote, like trump, that is he supported many of the president's own policies. mr. trump saying, quote: it's like the young man last night that ran. he said oh i'm like trump, he said. i, you know, second amendment and all, everything. i love the tax cuts. it's pretty smart, actually. pretty smart race.

so to maria, are democrats enthused about running against trump in these local districts or was conor lamb a good candidate. >> maria: i think conor lamb was a good candidate who fit his district very well. to be fair we have good candidates running across the country. he had a it 0% shift in that district from trump won by 19 points. if conor lamb ends up winning that's a 20 point shift in favor of democrats. districts around the country we are seeing double digit shifts. should take the threat seriously. democrats have found candidates very good for. conor lamb is not. democrats are enthusiastic to your point. the gap in terms of enthusiasm on the ground is huge right now. >> katie: steve, what about this populism that doesn't fall on either side of the aisles conor lamb did run on some of the same things that president trump supported and did he well in that district. >> yeah. actually more accurate way

for the president to put it was that he was like trump in the election campaign where he really ran as something very different from the traditional republican. and that's why he did well. that's why he appealed to people that the republicans had not managed to get over the line in previous elections. and since the election, in some cases, i think too much of the agenda has been taken by the traditional republicans in congress for example on healthcare. that's why things haven't gone well. where the president is being true to his populist instincts i think he will get the support for example on tariffs. which i think is a good example of something that appeals to the kind of working people who actually were not persuaded by the republicans over many, many election cycles. >> katie: richard trumka was on the phone congratulating conor lamb for his perceived victory, he has declared victory even though all the votes are not in yet. the labor force came out strong for the democrat despite just days earlier president trump passing these tariffs.

what does that mean for unions moving forward in terms of their influence in the midterm election? >> trish: i think there is a really interesting phenomenon happening right now. the idea that these sort of blue collar democrats, union democrats crossed over and voted for donald trump is very telling and perhaps showing you how these parties may in fact get realigned. it's happening with the republicans being very reluctant to allow it to happen. it's the reason why so many republicans on capitol hill do not like this president's agenda and were furious about the tariffs. however, he is leading them through this and there is an opportunity for them to get on board with an economic message that's more about america first and less about globalism. or there is an opportunity for them to stick to sort of the hillary clinton, nancy pelosi kind you have globalist agenda. and that's what's happening. >> harris: it's funny that you mentioned her, today, of course, she came out and she

called lamb a colleague. remember, he said he wouldn't vote for her. she said lamb didn't run against me. republicans can't just win this is her quote on the issues so they go after a person. no, no, no. conor lamb brought that up and did it more than once. he was really separate from her. where are we in terms of these parties looking at themselves. one thing i would say about, you know, steve, about the recount and all of that you do that right? you go through those so you look back and say we did everything we could as a party to look at this. but i just am concerned are republicans going to turn around and look at some things that they are challenged by right now, too? >> the big point is that, yes, it's true that democrats are being smarter about the kind of candidates they nominate in particular districts. but, overall, the democratic party has moved far left. and the republicans, if they want to do well in this election, have to really hammer home that point. the move of the democratic party, nationally, and in

congress, overall to the far left is the message that they want to convey. >> harris: which is one of the reasons why you could see both of them get districts back in november, right? we are going to see redistricting. conor lamb, can you imagine him being primaried by far left candidate. he would squash like a bug they are district by district. >> katie: we will see what happens. some candidates looking to distance themselves from top house democrat nancy pelosi. this after the apparent upset with the pennsylvania special election by democrat conor lamb who campaigned saying he would not support her leadership and one top house democrat saying republican attack ads on pelosi are sexist. we'll debate.

>> katie: more outnumbered in a moment but first touch base with harris with what's coming on on outnumbered overtime in a few minutes. harris? >> hairs harris katie, thank you very much. busy hour. mark walker joins me on the trump administration issuing new sanction once russian individuals and entities for meddling in our 2016

presidential election. does this prove the president is being tough on russia, tough enough? does more need to be done to stop the meddling. in our elections. and sources tell fox news to expect more big white house staff shakeups. rnc chair ronna mcdaniel will join me. we will talk about the president putting together what he calls the cabinet he wants. all of it top of the hour overtime back to you guys. >> katie: all right, harris. thank you very much. see you soon. >> trish: house minority leader nancy pelosi firing back after some reports some democrat candidates plan to distance themselves from her after conor lamb's upset win in pennsylvania. lamb campaigned saying he would oppose pelosi's leadership but last hour she tried to tamp them down a little bit here and attacked republicans, watch. >> i don't think that he ran against me the entire time. i think he ran on his positive agenda. so let's not read into into this. this is part of the bankruptcy of the republican party. devoid of ideas how they are going to meet the needs of

the american people. it's ad hominem. they can't win on the issues so they go after a person. >> another top democrat yesterday called republican attack ads against nancy pelosi sexist. watch this one. >> i think they need to get a new game book. the attempts to use nancy pelosi are failing them at this point. and i think quite frankly it's sexist. >> trish: why not blame sexism, right? >> katie what's your reaction? >> katie: i can't roll high eyes enough. she can either do the job or not. is conor lamb a sexist then he is the one throughout his entire campaign ran against nancy pelosi and said he wouldn't vote for her for leadership. there are a number of people in the democratic party now and for years quite frankly have said it's time for nancy pelosi to go for new people to be leading the party. i think that based on what she said she is pretty nervous about the fact that she might lose the leadership.

>> trish: she is like, no, no, no. he didn't run against me. >> maria: if the democrats take the house, which i think we will, nancy pelosi, i predict, is not going to be speaker. there are a lot of democrats even joe crowley the person who made the sexist comment. he is a rising star. he is a moderate democrat. he has raised a ton of money for candidates this cycle. a lot of these democrats, if they get elected, they are not going to owe their allegiance to nopsz. she has been a great leader to the party for a long time. a lot of us recognize that it's time to move on. that's my prediction. >> i will tell you what, based on that performance by joe crowley i think every republican is hoping it would be him. >> maria: they would be wrong. is he a good politician. is he a smart politician. >> not in that moment. nancy pelosi talking about how they don't talk about the issues when all the democrats do is either to use her phrase ad hominem attacks on donald trump. that's basically all they ever say is the russia part as well. or to call anything they

disagree with sexist, racist or whatever. they don't debate the issues. it's hilarious. >> trish: that's all they have. >> maria: they are right now. look at special elections and governor of virginia. look at these. democrats are learned their lesson, i think. conor lamb ran on the issues. he didn't just run on donald trump. so republicans would kind of be. >> trish: kind of ran with donald trump. >> maria: not in terms of policy. >> trish: that came from donald trump. >> maria: donald trump isn't actually a republican. that's fine. >> maria: i think democrats will actually run on the issues. we will see about 2020. >> what's the message then if that's the case. what is the message for 2018. >> maria: couple different messages. first economically, particularly in a lot of these districts that hillary clinton won that are in states hurt by the tax bill, we can take the house back by winning new york, new

jersey, pennsylvania and illinois. >> what is their message other than we don't like donald trump. >> maria: donald trump is only having to work for the rich. >> that's not true people in their daily life. >> maria: you are asking me what the message. >> not good having a message that isn't true. incomes are going up. >> maria: polling has shown a majority of voters don't -- haven't seen that that whatever they are getting in their paychecks i'm not going to use nancy pelosi' word for it but that they are not actually feeling that? >> trish: maria, look at the jobs numbers and look at the confidence and look at consumer confidence and sentiment. there is an absolute reversal in that we are looking at the best numbers on that front in roughly 17 years. you have got wages going up more than they have in 30 years. >> maria: but despite that republican numbers are plummeting. that's what's so interesting. the economy is doing well. donald trump and republican numbers are plummeting. the economy is doing well. >> democrats have no plan to make it better. even if they say it's bad. what's their plan to make it

better? >> maria: i think you will hear from democrats across the country in their districts about how what they would do, for example, on tax reform or other issues would be better for the average worker. >> trish: i agree we heard some of that from conor lamb, he echoed trump. tissue. >> katie: more outnumbered in just a moment. liberty mutual saved us

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lineup. amazing investigation to foreign lobbying on spot watch. our guests are going to be judge jeanine and ann coulter. not fiery or anything. >> katie: we are back here tomorrow at noon eastern. going up to harris. >> harris: thank you, katie awaiting the white house briefing start an hour from now after the trump administration sent the strongest message yes, sir to russia's vladimir putin. we will go outnumbered overtime now. i'm harris faulkner. the trump administration slapping sanctions on 19 russians for alleged interference in the 2016 presidential election. including 13 indicted by special counsel robert mueller. the penalties also including the first use of new powers, which congress passed last year to punish moscow for election meddling. those targets include members of russia's military intelligence community. the new americans the most stringent punishment yet by the president for russia interference. white house correspondent kevin corke joins us now from the north lawn,