>> my first and probably only editorial. very sweet. >> it's very interesting and informative. >> thank you. >> you can get the dead tree copy of the "wall street journal" or read it online. thanks for joining us. >> "outnumbered" starts now. >> time is running out for attorney general jeff sessions to decide whether to fire fbi director andrew mccabe who is set to retire sunday. the move would put mccabe's entire pension at risk after decades of service. sessions has until 5:00 p.m. today to make his decision. this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith. we have harris faulkner, lisa booth, and fox news analyst, mar marie hearth is here. and here's mark sexton.

>> happy st. patricks day. rocking the tie. >> yeah. you can only wear this some people say for a day. i say a month. >> you rock it. >> and nobody would notice if he wore it every day. >> let's begin. yesterday andrew somebody cake was reportedly making a final pitch to senior doj officials asking them not to fire him on the eve of his retirement. this comes amid reports that an internal office say mccabe should be fired for leaking sensitive information in the hillary clinton investigation and lying to it about investigators. concerns were raised over mccabe's partiality, at it was revealed that his wife, jill, received donations from the virginia state senate in 2015. the money came from virginia governor and long-time clinton

ally, carrie mcauliffe. and bret baier reports they have serious concerns about mccabe and the handling of the clinton investigation. >> i have great respect for opr, the office of professional responsibility. they have found something grossly wrong. we've raised enough questions about him over a long period of time. i suggested to certain people that he ought to have been fired because we got a new attorney general. >> here's what i do know, the fbi and the department of justice were corrupt when it became to the e-mail investigation of clinton. >> "grossly wrong" words by chuck grassley. mccabe is worried about losing his pension. sounds like he might be worried about going to jail. >> and he was extremely careless. you have a situation here we're well beyond coincidence.

mccabe has had numerous incidents of coming out, hedging towards hillary, making decisions towards one side of the political side. and if we're going to give somebody a second chance, we should probably ask general michael flynn about getting a pass. he might want to weigh-in on that. >> it's interesting. the deadline is approaching, right, harris? 5:00, end of the business day, what will attorney jeff sessions decide? >> what is really interesting, the fact that this is not a political appointee. this is a civil servant. when you put somebody's entire pension at risk, there's kind of a sliding scale and only stop gaps and securities. so he may not lose all of it, but that battle will be fierce. there can be an appellate process for that. civil servant versus an appointee like a james comey? this is a different ride no matter what sessions chooses to do. >> that's true. none of us have seen the

internal report. we haven't seen the case laid out against him. we've heard rumors about it. it's hard to judge for losing a pension or a letter in his file. there's a variety of punishments. you're right, harris, he can appeal. so even though today would be his last day, he can appeal to the attorney general and appeal further. the question politically will be whether jeff sessions thinks this is worth it, particularly when president trump has gone after andy mccabe. >> he's in a tough spot. >> he can't consider that, right? >> the firing is of the fbi's office of professional responsibility. that's the recommendation. clearly there's something wrong enough to make that recommendation. why are we so concerned about his pension? if he did something wrong, he did something wrong. you know whose lives are ruined for lying to the fbi? michael flynn and george papadopoulos. anybody that is associated with the trump orbit that has had to

pay tens of thousands for legal defense with this investigation. you know who else has lied to the fbi and gotten away with it? hillary clinton. huma abedin, cheryl mills. they lied but they're not in trouble. so unless you're associated with the trump campaign, you're clear. >> the fact that this is an internal report given that mccabe is a civil servant for decades, he must have done bad stuff. we don't know the specifics yet. >> and sarah sanders called him a bad actor. >> i'm sure it's bad. we don't know what degree or how bad it goes. i'll note for those start playing the world's smallest violin with mccabe -- comey just got a multimillion dollar advance on a book. somebody cake will be fine. it's not a guy -- >> you think how bad would it be for the fbi's office of

professional responsibility to make that recommendation? >> how bad would the conduct have to be? >> egregious and clear. they would give the benefit of the doubt -- >> we know about the texts that revealed evidence. >> he was mentioned in those that he was a bad actor in them. they may have additional -- >> and one could conclude that he did affect the outcome of the investigation and compromised it. >> we've seen no evidence that his political leanings or his wife's political leanings impacted the outcome of the investigation. what buck said is, none of this can be coincidence now. that may be your judgment. we have to wait for evidence that the hillary clinton investigation was impacted by his political leanings. now the political people in charge are aligned with donald trump. >> she would have to suspend reasonable doubt in that case. you would have to put the facts together and walk away and -- >> but you can't make connections without evidence. >> he's a civil servant. we don't have a habit in this

country of holding our government officials accountable. if they want to hold him account able -- >> a lot of americans are saying what happened with hillary clinton and then seeing this intense focus on the trump administration without evidence of any collusion that has surfaced. >> that's not true. >> and saying there's a double standard when it comes to the law. so i think with andrew mccabe, it would be proving that to be true. >> that decision could come down any minute, any hour or at 4:00, 5:00, no decision at all. >> if the misconduct is there he should be fire and i think he will be fired. >> so four hours and 53 minutes. >> we need one of those countdowns on our screen. >> and then it's 5:00 before st. patrick's day. >> it's 5:00 somewhere. >> we'll leave it there. democrats with a victory in pennsylvania should be coming together in a happy dance but it seems to be stoking the civil war with moderates and liberals.

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since the top doj official could be involved. >> the number 4 person in the department of justice, bruce ohr's wife worked for fusion gps. he had dozens of contacts with mr. steele. the informant the fbi was using on the payroll of the democratic party. there's no way in the world he should have interacted with mr. steele because his wife worked for the same organization. so somebody other than the people in charge today needs to look at what they did yesterday. >> so as i listen back to senator grassley there, takes me back to a tweet by the president that said we're going to need investigators to investigate the investigators. >> when we look at the basis of a special counsel investigation, there's some kind of political consideration that would prevent the department of justice from doing what it normally does. it will be hard to think of a circumstance that more obviously calls for some additional outside process than looking at malfeasance in the doj itself.

we've seen so much of it now where they put some sanctions in place, taken some action. clearly there's something wrong here at the top level. that's something that needs to be looked at by people independent of the people that might have been involved in the very corrupt process. >> you have that baseline. some of the people are gone. the inspector general won't have the reach or the score to go. there's something like 22 people. >> the questions they want looked at are the questions about the fisa process. how warrants are authorized for american citizens when they include foreign intelligence sources or reporting. it's a question of oversight of the fisa process. so i actually think that doj is the right and proper place to do that. i'm confident that doj, if they find wrong doing, this should an example of how they investigate themselves. >> so what would happen? >> two things. just base these republicans don't like the fisa court did

this doesn't mean there was wrong doing. inspectors general can get to former employees. they cannot compel them. having worked in the government, they can bring people back and they do and i've seen it happen. >> they can do that, but as you say, it's not on demand. they don't have the position to go after these people. >> the question is really the fisa court. it's not the former doj officials. why did the fisa court improperly approve the applications. >> and we should be looking at the fisa court as well. if the unverified dossier put together by somebody that is not credible, christopher steele, lied to the fbi themselves, speak of people that lied to the fbi, also in a british court can't defend the official in his dossier, that's a big, big problem. that was used to obtain a fisa warrant to spy on an american citizen. it's going to be more and more difficult to avoid a second special counsel if we keep

having these credible actors come forward that are grossly concerned about the actions of the fbi and the doj. we're talking about people like lindsey graham, chuck grassley. lindsey graham is usually hailed by the media as a reasonable republican. >> the republican politicians have partisan aims here. >> is it not concerning that the media seems so unconcerned about potential abuse with the fbi, with the doj or fisa warrants? >> sandra, as we look at this, there is kind of a clear-cut line in terms of where the investigation is going. so what do you see? >> as far as the second special counsel is concerned, whether or not it's needed and whether or not that would ever actually be happening, based on what you're seeing, is this a pipe dream? is this going to happen? >> i think it can happen, certainly. there's a process in place for it to happen. on the steele dossier and the fisa court aspect of this, we

have had months now of a lack of compliance from the folks involved with that. the doj has been slow-rolling, been trying to hide information, information has come out later. at a minimum there's embarrassment. we're talking about the top reaches. people that have been named in the press nor being partisan. >> and some of it is still very much unverified. i would hope they wouldn't be running fisa based on what journalists say. nevertheless, the fact that they've been unwilling to be forth coming to this point would justify an additional process. there's a presidency at stake here. people don't understand that. hiding behind secrecy and bureaucracy -- >> and marie, we've talked about this for months now. republicans had an opportunity to take a close look, particularly at section 702 where you're looking in on foreign people here.

possibly scooping up americans and how we deal with outing ourselves as americans being spied on and how you need a warrant to do that. it seems like there's a huge missed opportunity when it actually was on the floor. rand paul was screaming as loud as anybody could, can you take a look at this. now we're talking about it. >> because the republicans know that fisa is a national security tool that has helped to keep us safe. >> democrats know that, too. >> doesn't mean it should be abused. >> there's zero evidence that these fisa warrants had anything inappropriate how they were -- >> a lot of people agreed -- >> there was a lot of information left out. >> guys, the fisa court looked at multiple threats of information. >> we need to see the applications ourselves. >> getting those -- >> if carter page says that he's okay with it, which he has, i wonder what the process -- >> he's not what they're worried about. let's say -- >> let's see it. >> do we want to blow a source

so carter page feels better? >> the way things are leaking, i'm not so sure -- >> the way we get access to presidential communications during a general campaign is something that actually would warrant breaking -- >> that's not what happened. >> and what happened -- >> that is a gross miscakerization of what happened. carter page had a fisa warrant approved after he left the campaign because he was talking to russians -- >> i worked on the criminal side of this. if they get access to carter page today, guess what? they have access to all of his electronics -- >> and he gave them a reason to surveil -- >> sandra, one of the things you're talking about was accountability. this goes to the public's trust, too. >> yes, it does. that brings up the question, will there ever be accountability and responsibility as it resulted in this. if these senator say they're not getting the information and the access to the people they need, we need to listen to them.

>> the republican department of justice stone walling them. it's their own party. >> i thought thinks were civil servants without party affiliation? >> i knew we were going there. >> you look beautiful in green today, by the way. >> i don't need to talk about how i look. >> jeff sessions is in charge of the doj and his partisan. >> and so will the president respond? what does this say about the scope of the investigation? and first she's praised gina haspel as cia distrirector. now questions about the democrat's left wing when it comes to confirming the president's choices. stay close.

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>> democratic senator dianne feinstein face pressure over the left for picking president trump's cia director. first she was open to supporting haspel after being involved in the interrogation program for suspected terrorists. she said everything i know she's been a good deputy director.

i think hopefully the entire organization learns something from the enhanced interrogation program. and then here challenger slammed her position saying "feinstein knows better how morally and legally wrong torture is. this should be an easy call. i would vote no on confirming gina haspel in the u.s. senate." now senator feinstein is calling on the cia to release documents on the interrogation and attention program. your thoughts. >> this is a very difficult debate. it's an issue that people feel strongly about. the bottom line for me is, the new cia director would have the support of the folks at langley. she's a career officer. she understands the business very well. unless we look back and reopening this chapter because

we've had the senate report on this, all these talks about it. if you hold accountable, you have to say what other officers in the intelligence community should be accountable. we're reopening this entire situation. it's damaging and partisan and i think she would be a good director. >> you know who benefits from there? mike pompeo. democrats don't want two contentious confirmation proceedings. so mike pompeo that might get tough questions from democrats might get a pass here with the focus on gina. i think she will take a lot of heat during the confirmation process. >> and she will have to answer what if the president came to you and asked you to do this again, reopen this program. from my experience, i don't know if you'd agree, buck, when we were at the agency, the people involved in this program are the last that want to do it again. they saw how the political wind shifted and they saw how they were blamed. she will have to answer the question and she will be

prepared to. you have leon panetta, john brennan that support her. she was carrying out the policy of the united states government. whether or not we agree with it. buck is right, are we going to go back and look at john ew? >> i agree. >> we agree on that. >> so i interviewed rand paul when he was really against gina haspel. he said some things that others have said that were not true. liz cheney. rand paul is sympathizing with terrorists, this is liz saying, no, you're not looking at this squarely. it speaks to the issue that we have litigated this, we have talked about this politically and if there is something to be said, mrs. haspel will be i'm sure prepared to answer the questions. >> exactly. rand paul was wrong. when he said -- he was quoting from a source that said she

oversaw the water boarding of a terrorist after 9-11. that's not true. >> they retracted it. >> yes. they retracted it because it was not true. so rand paul needs to look at his sourcing. she's a well-respected career officer that i think will be a very good cia director. >> specifically what rand paul said when he was speaking to you, harris, he had taken great concern with her expressing glee over the interrogation. >> and that was retracted. >> if he's still opposed to her as well as john mccain -- >> and several others. >> she's going to need democratic support for this to go through. what comes out of this? >> i think she's best served by not relitigating this issue. just saying that she was falling the directives at the time and she would follow the directives now as cia director. i think she's best served not to get into that conversation about this. i don't think she needs to litigate it either.

>> the intelligence community acted with a backdrop -- >> in compliance with the law at the time. >> and we don't want more buildings getting hit by airplanes. a particular moment in time when there was a lot of understandable anxiety, the threat level was through the roof and they did what they thought they needed to do. we just lost 3,000 americans. it's easy to say how did anybody think this was a good idea? the reality people did what they thought they had to do. >> and they were taking orders and doing what they were told to do, which is what i said to senator rand paul. >> and there were legal opinions on this. >> i get hit, him and mccain talk about it and say what it feels like. this is their push back on it. but as far as gina haspel is concerned, i hear a democrat on our couch saying yeah, you support her. >> and i do. i think she will get democratic support. not just because a lot of democratic senators are in tough re-election races. that's why we talk about why democrats might vote with the president. i think it's because -- when

leon panetta, who is not a moderate, when he comes out and says he supports here, you'll get people like mark warner on the intel committee who understands the threat voting for her. >> like the president, i'm giving away cupcakes. no, we hate cupcakes. >> and rex tillerson was apparently the russian-approved nominee. now when he's fired, it's because president trump is with russia and putin. so you can't really have it both ways. >> you're right. they want to go after president trump. >> the knee-jerk situation when pompeo is the guy. will he criticize russia? yeah. he criticized him the day before. >> and 43 democrats confirmed him. >> he will be great. >> new developments now, speaking of russia, the russia probe, robert mueller reportedly has issued subpoenas to the trump organization for documents, some relating to

russia and to mr. trump's -- i say mr. trump because candidate trump's businesses. that would appear to come close to a redline that the president said had set about not going into his family finances. the white house is telling fox news they were surprised at the reporting. the president's family business has been turning over documents for some time now. sarah sanders, when pressed on whether the president's redline was crossed, this is what she said. >> the president has said that numerous times there was no collusion between the campaign and russia for specific questions regarding the trump organization, i would refer you to them. >> red line crossed what do you do? >> depending on how you see this whole situation, i think, this affects very much whether you believe that this is in response to the trump organization or trump not giving documents fast enough or is this just the rogue elephant of an investigation once again trampling over things and doing this for the purpose

of making it seems like there's not been a lot of responsiveness from the trump side, this is the problem from the get-go. they're not investigating a u.s.-based crime. they're investigating a concept, this is political. it's been partisan from the start and that's why i think the mueller probe is fatally flawed. >> and it seems like it continues to widen. house republicans say closed case, no collusion. the mueller probe, the speculation is coming to an end, in the middle, looks like it's getting going when you see that. >> that's how special counsels work. you understand it happens to both parties. this is what happens when you do things that warrant a special counsel. there are serious questions that the mueller team is tasked with answering. i think that they're going to do everything they can to get to the bottom of this. at the end of the day, they find nothing, they find nothing. it's worth asking a questions about who was working with the russians and whether that impacted the outcome of the electi

election. >> most people were understand the understanding this was supposed to be looking at potential collusion between the trump campaign and russia. >> it is. >> and the only people that have been indicted are russians themselves. we know that hillary clinton -- >> they're not coming here. >> hillary clinton and her team 24 hours after losing came together and said let's look at russia and blame it on russia. they funded the dossier that helped fuel this narrative about russia. all the media cares about are things that we have no evidence of but they continue to ignore peter strzok and lisa page. andrew mccabe. things that we have knowledge of. >> i know that hillary clinton has been rather distracting nor democrats this week. >> not for me really. >> but is it time to pull her into the investigation? you think mueller will go there? >> i don't think there's anyway that the american people, at least people that don't believe this has been a fair shake for trump will look at what happened with hillary and not take away

from it that you've seen completely polar opposite end of how this doj and the justice department can treat people based on partisan affiliation. we should do a top to bottom scrub of what happened in the hillary clinton e-mail foundation and the -- >> and specific to russia and the dossier. you can go there according to marie and branch out in nine different directions. >> we know for a fact that the clinton campaign, you can say it was indirect, paid for information from a foreigner using russian sources and specifically part of an attempt to get information to derail a president. that is -- >> that is very different than russian government activity, intrusions into our cyber space -- let me finish. the fact that the russians hacked into e-mails and released them has been proven. >> the trump aspect has not been proven at all. >> it's different from a foreign

adversary hacking into our systems and releasing things for political purposes. you know that that is very different. the trump -- multiple people with the trump organization met with russians -- >> how about paying to-that? that's political, too. bring in the fisa court judges -- >> multiple members of the trump campaign met with russian officials and talked about hillary's e-mails and the fact that they had them and when -- >> are you concerned about hillary clinton and the dnc paying those individuals for information? >> that's not what they did. you're mixing up -- >> i'm not -- >> i'm concerned about any other aspect of this -- >> there's no evidence of it. >> even adam schiff when pressed is unable to come up with any sort of concrete evidence of collusion. >> that's not true. >> we've talking about a president this has been robbed of his first year in office. >> it's not true. >> it is. >> and the approval ratings as

well -- >> sandra, ask your question. >> it's not true to lisa when she said there's no -- >> that's not what adam schiff said. >> i've seen interviews -- >> wait. let me ask you a question. >> nobody can hear you guys. >> are you concerned that the trump campaign met with russians that told them they had stolen hillary's e-mails and were going to release them to help them? answer my question. don't ask another one. >> wow. >> okay. >> oh, my goodness. >> if you don't have an answer, you have proved my point. >> actually, this is instruct e instructive. if people keep arguing a vast situation here, you won't get anywhere. you have to focus on one thing at the time. the fact of the matter is that the dossier was dodgy. it was used here. that's the subject matter -- >> i'm holding all of your for after care. we're going to have an after session. we have to move on.

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>> conor lamb's upset election has democrats celebrating. politco says it fans a civil war with moderates and liberals.

one top blue dog democratic congressman said conor lamb ran on the blue message. people are saying this is the direction we should take and are kind of missing where the energy coming from. that democrat mentions universal healthcare, raising the minimum wage and regulating wall street are important to base voters. buck, we're every day inching closer to this mid-term election. democrats are enthusiastic about progressive candidates and moderate candidates. should the republicans be worried after this republican race? >> i don't think it's worried. i think it's nice the democrats have something to look forward to. >> i'm ready. >> lamb -- >> there's no shade in that. >> lamb is a wolf in republican clothing. he was a guy presenting himself -- didn't really work.

it was close. it's almost -- >> the president called him lamb the sham. that's what you're getting to. >> he's going to vote with democrats. >> lamb is going to vote with the democratic caucus. >> i think lamb is in places like western pennsylvania a good prototype for what democrats should do, which is basically be as close to a moderate republican as possible. he was also just a particularly appealing candidate. >> they know two things about district 18. primarily because we've been talking about it for a while and i see it in social media, but leading the local politics, they'll see solve redistricting. >> a new district. >> and when that happens, then you have to take a look at the democrats that were in there and are they going to be -- you could make the argument that some republicans voted for lamb, too. >> absolutely.

>> but are they as centrist as he is or the normal liberal. the democrats are not going to life for pro life, pro tariff, pro guns -- >> i don't know. >> they're not going to look for those people because they can't win with them. they can't fund raise for them. >> almost says -- >> how is he going to vote? >> that's what i'm saying. >> what part is nancy pelosi going to play in future races as we look toward the mid-term? is she an asset? >> she helps in some places and hurts in others. i don't think she will be speaker if the democrats take the house back this november, which i think we will. >> will democrats embrace her? >> some will. she will continue raising money. other congressmen on our side and women have stepped up to raise money for the party. she no longer will own this incoming class of democratic freshmen. >> the democratic party can't say that they're a big tent

party. look what is going on in chicago with the dan lapinski race. the democratic party refused to enforce him. he's a pro life democrat. we look at tom perez, he late down a litmus test for democrats saying you have to be for abortion or we're not going to be with you. democrats can't claim they're a lost party. if you're conor lamb, he did what you need to do to win. you have a district with more registered democrats and has historical ties to labor and the working class voters. rick saccone wasn't. the question is are there more connor lambs out there. >> we'll have to way and see. we know how democrats vote on this issue of abortion.

>> and there's a lot of voting by district by district candidates that match the district, this is a district that voted plus 19 for donald trump. so yes, there's a democratic history but last time they voted, they went overwhelmingly for a republican. >> you still need a message. still need to figure that out. there's not a national message. >> we have a time before november to hash this out. a lot of races like this. we'll see. days after abc's "the view" joy behar was forced to do an on all apology for mocking mike pence, the mainstream media is at it a gone. now they're scoffing at larry kudlow for saying he trust god's will. we'll talk about it next. >> as larry kudlow says, it's god's will. it's spring and you're right where you want to be

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>> happy friday, everyone. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. let's get to harris on "outnumbered overtime" in just a few minutes. hi, harris. >> harris: a former assistant fbi director will join me. he will tell me what's happening as the clock ticks down on deputy director andrew mccabe. will jeff sessions fired him

before his pension kicks in after decades of service and what should jeff sessions do? plus, four republican senators are calling for a second special counsel to investigate the doj and fbi. is that second special counsel necessary? "outnumbered overtime" at the top of the hour. >> have a great show, harris. thank you. new controversy over an msnbc host's reaction to an emotional interview with larry kudlow describing his decision to take the job. kudlow has been open about his catholic faith. take a watch. >> my life has had twists and turns, as people know. with god's grace, i'll have 23 years clean and sober in the next couple months. and however, this works out, it will be god's will. >> later an msnbc anchor reacted

to that interview. watch. >> if you notice when larry kudlow spoke on cnbc, he ended by saying however things work out, it will be god's will. that's an interesting way to talk about being the adviser to the help. >> he has to stand there and represent real data. >> the fear is he may stand there and represent the president in the face of real data. >> as larry kudlow says, it's god's will. >> those comments right there come days after "the view" host joy behar had to apologize for mocking mike pence's christianity. we've seen bernie sanders grill trump nominees over their christian faith. joe behar had to apologize to mike pence for her comments. then we have this. why is there such an open

animosity to christianity from those on the left? >> i sort of am offended by the question -- >> i'm offended by the comments from joe behar and the msnbc host. >> christianity is private and we don't have to -- >> did you take issue with what the anchor said or not? >> the question is why does -- >> i said some on the left. i didn't say everyone. i gave three specific examples which are factual. why the open animosity? >> you wouldn't make a joke about any other faith. >> this is more not the left but about journalism. >> bernie sanders. >> there's public officials -- joy behar, i don't agree with what she said. i wouldn't -- >> i wouldn't think you would. >> that's where i was trying to get. i don't like that. people express their faith publicly, privately.

nothing larry kudlow said was offensive to me or should have been challenged. that was a low blow by msnbc. >> she thought she was being funny. she wasn't. she was being offensive. it's part of a larger trend of people in the media center left that this is something that they can mock. we know that they wouldn't do it with any other faith tradition in a million years. they know that that would be very offensive. >> i don't like the idea that there's something inherent on the left that think we don't like christianity. >> there's been a public openness to mocking people like mike pence over his relationship with his wife as he mentioned which was part of his religion which is why he chooses not to meet with one one-on-one. there's an antagonistic approach -- >> we only have a few seconds here.

>> do you think plays to americans in the heartland's rejection -- >> yes. full on. >> and the idea that you challenge mike pence, you're challenging christianity and that's not fair. >> many viewers think it's admirable for someone like larry kudlow to be open about his struggles -- >> yeah. and i totally agree. >> more "outnumbered" in just a moment.

>> many thanks to buck sexton, awesome to have you guys. it's st. patrick's eve. marie, you say you know how to get us out of this. >> we're back monday noon eastern. happy st. patrick's day. here's harris. >> harris: we'll begin with changes. fox news alert, a controversial fbi figure could be out of a job and pension as he races towards retirement. let's go "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. the attorney general, jeff sessions has till tomorrow to decide whether to fire deputy fbi director andrew mccabe. hours from his retirement, which is set for sunday. mccabe met with senior doj officials yesterday to try to save his job and pension. the fbi's number 2 under fire for leading internal investigators about his handling of an investigation into the clinton foundation. while stopping short of calling for his firing, sarah sanders not