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done. construction. a brand new studio is coming. so temporarily that will be our home. check it us out there monday morning at 9:00. mark steyn is in for tucker tonight. have a great weekend, everybody, happy saint patrick's day. ♪ ♪ >> mark: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight i'm mark steyn in for tucker this evening. there is new outrage in the case that sparked a fierce sanctuary city debate across the country. in december, the illegal immigrant accused of murdering kate steinle on a san francisco pier was found not guilty of murder and now jose garcia zarate is attacking the feds for pursuing new charges against him. soon after his acquittal, the federal government brought firearms charges against geaz zarate. is he now calling for those charges to be dropped, claiming that they are vindictive prosecution.
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david lee pold is an immigration attorney general. he joins us tonight. david, vindictive prosecution. what exactly duped his do you understand his lawyers mean by that. >> what i understand his lawyers to be doing is, mark, what any lawyer would do and that's represent their client in court. if you were charged with a serious felony you would want your attorney to raise every possible defense. and i think that's what's happening here. so mark mark just with vindictive prosecution though, as i understand it, usually when these charges are brought, it's because there is a lack of probable cause. no one is arguing in this case that there isn't probable cause, are they? >> well, look, you know, when we talk about vindictive. what i think is vindictive is the way that the trump administration, the way that others have vilified
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criminalized immigrants. they have taken the tragic death of kate steinle and they have turned it into a broad brushed attack on immigrants all across this country when, in fact, you know, the stats show all credible statistics show that immigrants, immigrants who come to this country out of love for the country much lower rate at a much lower rate. >> mark: tucker has a whole bunch of statistics that show something different on that. >> yeah, but i don't know where tucker gets his statistics, mark. i know where i get mine. >> mark: the point here is he is not being prosecuted as an example of an immigrant. he is one immigrant who has been credibly accused of committing a crime for which the federal prosecutors wish to charge him. and you say, okay, now everybody is demonizing immigrants. for start he is an illegal immigrant which is different from an immigrant.
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and the fact that he is one immigrant who is accused of a crime doesn't make him any more typical of illegal immigrants than this mumbo jumbo we always here they are all high school valedictorians just getting back from their third tour of iraq. >> mark, then why are we even talking about him? we are talking about him. >> mark: we are talking about him because he killed an american citizen. we're talking about him because he had killed an american citizen. he's accused of a specific crime. >> right. all right. so let's talk about reality and let's talk about facts. the credible studies out there and i will point you to the american immigration council. i will point tout cato institute on the right. i will point you to the center for american progress, all the credible studies tell us that immigrants in this country are law abiding. >> mark: but he's not. >> they create jobs. >> mark: i'm canadian. it doesn't matter if 99 out
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of 100 canadians don't commit crimes. if i do. that's why this point -- the fact that, you know, every other illegal immigrant may be law abiding doesn't alter the fact that he has committed a crime, does it? >> well, you say you are canadian and that's fantastic and shows in some ways our immigration system does work. i just wish that our immigration system could work for the rest of the country, for the rest of the undocumented people who by and large are law abiding. create jobs in this country. do phenomenal research in this country. i represent a lot of physicians. hang on, can i finish? >> mark: yeah, but this guy isn't any of that. >> can i get my point in, mark? >> mark: these are general talking points about how every. >> they are fair. >> mark: they are the fluffy bunny unicorn talking points. we are talking about criminals. so the fact that the guy next door hasn't committed any crimes is irrelevant. i want to ask you about this other story though because this is interesting to me, too and should be to you as the lawyer.
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california. >> okay. >> mark: california isn't just acquitting illegal immigrants of murder. it's also giving them government jobs. >> that was a jury by the way that acquitted that man, but, go ahead. >> mark: elizabeth mateo illegal immigrant has been -- and an attorney. i don't know how you pull that off. she has been a.ed to the california student opportunity and access program. she can't vote. she is here illegally. but apparently she has he the right to help run the state government of california. i believe she is the first illegal immigrant to be appointed to a statewide office. how does that grab you, david? >> i think that's fantastic. look, she is very accomplished. i think it's fantastic. she is a member of the california bar. she finished law school. and you know something else. let me finish. she is a dreamer. and the president of the united states, president donald trump has said time and time again that he loves the dreamers, that he supports the dreamers.
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unfortunately, president trump uses dreamers as hot damages to try to eviscerate the immigration law and cut out immigration to half of what it should be and it's unfortunate. >> mark: explain this to me. you are licensed to practice in ohio. if you wanted to practice in california or new york or whatever, you would have to do this pro-hack thing where you have to find some local new york lawyer or local california lawyer who speaks for you. so in ohio -- >> -- actually with what i do, with what i do, mark, i practice all over the country because i'm an immigration lawyer and we deal in federal immigration law. so i practice. >> mark: i understand federal court. i'm making a point here about state law. under the cockamamie system have you got here, an ohio lawyer has no presumption of being able to practice in california. how does a mexican lawyer wind up practicing in california? >> she is admitted to the bar. hang on, you asked a question. i would love to answer it
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she was admitted to the bar. ms. mateo took the bar examination, she went to law school and took the bar examination. she is duly admitted under the laws of the state of california under the rules of the california supreme court. and i think it's fantastic. you know, she represents the best and the brightest of the dreamers. and i think we ought to be giving more opportunity to folks. i think we ought to be finding a pathway to citizenship. >> mark: so as an officer of the court have you no problem with a lawyer being here unlawfully? >> as an officer of court i have no problem with a lawyer practicing in california. now, the unlawfully part can be solved. if president trump wanted to solve that problem he could have solved it he crated this horrible situation with daca by canceling daca and the facts. then he said he would save the dreamers. he wanted the deal. then he held them hostage. i'm just giving you facts, mark. >> mark: these are all
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generalities. >> general facts. >> mark: we need people who come here and do the jobs americans won't do. i thought one of the jobs americans would do was actually being lawyers. if we're going to get $8 an hour mexican lawyers that will be a boon for the country. >> who said something about $8 an hour mexicans and that sort of thing. the other day i watched this segment on tucker and you were on. and did you a great job. you were talking about how horrible it was that dog died in the airplane. and you talked about your own dog being sick. and my wife and i lost our dog this year and one the saddest things we went through and i hope your dog is doing much better. what i really wish, mark, is that you had the same compassion for human beings. >> mark: yeah, no, no. i'm brutal. i love dogs and hate the human beings. you summed me up, david. >> that's what it sounds like, mark. >> mark: you got me right. nancy pelosi has a novel new attack on president trump's proposed wall. it's too high. >> did you see it, how high
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iit is? really in a civilized society we would do something like that. as obnoxious as it is but a wall that big separating people? i mean, really? >> mark: so we shouldn't be surprised that nancy pelosi has strange notions about border security. after all she thinks illegal immigration can be stopped with a lawn mower. >> we all have a responsibility to protect our borders. what do we need to do that? should there be fencing? should there be technology? should they mow the grass so that people can't hide in it? >> mark: yeah. big problem, mexicans hiding in the long grass. a columnist for town hall.com and he joins us tonight. is nancy fully on top of the situation here? >> well, you know, mark, i don't think nancy is on top of any situation. and i have got to say after your last guest, i'm a
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california lawyer and i have got to say i'm so very, very proud. i'm proud of the california bar having people, you know, letting people in who shouldn't be here. i would have thought that would have been a basic disqualifier. >> mark: just explain to me how that works, kurt. as i understand it, if you ran a feed store would it be illegal for you to hire someone who is in the country illegally? or if you had an accountancy business. if you have a law firm you can make an illegal immigrant your law partner? is that how it is now in california? >> apparently so, in effect. here's the problem, mark. it's one that worries the hell out of me. it's an attack -- this whole thing about illegal aliens is an attack on the rule of law. the rule of law is so critical. our representatives passed a law. remember how a bill becomes a law and you had the little dancing bill on saturday
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morning it vmpleght and then the president signs it and it's the law. you know, the people get a say. remember that? >> mark: yeah, yeah. >> and when you don't have that when you pass a law and then ignore it, you really have no rule of law. i'm a little sensitive about that. i deploy kosovo. i was a lawyer at the time. i spent 16 months away from my firm helping put together that country after the civil war. i saw what happens when you lose the rule of law. >> mark: right. >> and i don't appreciate being lectured as not -- to as not being compassionate when i left my family for 16 months to go help a bunch of foreign strangers not be murdered. so just throwing that out there. >> mark: you raise an interesting point there, kurt. because it's selectivist, we are told apparently federal immigration laws are now entirely irrelevant. but if i decide that i don't like the federal tax laws, apparently that's one of the laws that still applies. so law 27 still applies.
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>> that one still -- that one still applies, mark. you know, dinesh d'souza. he violated a technical law he ended up getting arrested and getting felony conviction which other people don't if we are talking about vindictive laws. >> mark: that was vindictive prosecution. >> look, you can't have two sets of laws. one for the favored folk and one nor the normal folk. that doesn't work. have you been to countries where they had that. did they seem like nice places mark, some place where you would want to be? >> you are right there, kurt. that's like kind of a theme this night. equality before the law. the former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe's retirement pension is in the hands of the attorney general jeff sessions and
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♪ ♪ >> mark: the fate of andrew mccabe's retirement is in the hands of attorney general jeff sessions. the fbi's office of professional responsibility says mccabe deserves to be fired for letting agents speak to the press about the hillary clinton email investigation and then misleading the fbi about it. but that recommendation won't matter on sunday when
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mccabe will be able to retire at the age of 49 with full pension benefits. but if sessions fires him first, then he could lose that pension. jonathan turley is a professor at george washington university law school. he joins us now. jonathan, i can't recall anything quite like this pension death watch that we are on for this guy mccabe. how do you think it's going to go? >> well, i think the odds are against him for one reason only. it's exceedingly rare for the office of professional responsibility to make this type of recommendation. i think it's probably unprecedented for this particular position, such a high level individual to be fired just literally days if not hours before he retires. so, it's something that is rare and it's going to be difficult for the attorney general to ignore.
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remember, attorney general sessions, i thought, correctly recused himself when career officers said we think you should. now, career officers are saying we think you should fire mccabe. it's consistent with his earlier position he will be required to carry out the opr recommendation. >> mark: you make a broader point though that the fbi has extraordinary powers over us. if we lie even carelessly and harmlessly and in something that isn't even a criminal matter to them. but that if we don't do something about mccabe, we are teaching the lesson that federal justice officials can put us in jail for lying to them as they did to martha stewart, but they can lie to us with impunity. so it's a difference between rulers and rules. >> well, unfortunately, that has been the rule in washington. it's sort of an animal farm
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environment where everyone is equal but some people are more equal than others. justice department officials are rarely charged with violations. but it creates to the disadvantage of mccabe, a glaring disconnect. michael flynn was charged with misleading investigators. according to some reports, comey's investigators found that he wasn't intentionally trying to lie. but he was ultimately charged. here, you have mccabe who investigators found or believed that he was trying to mislead them he is looking at a pension change as opposed to prison. >> mark: as pointed out mike flynn was basically lying whether he discussed something with a russian diplomat which isn't a crime anyway. is he basically being threatened with jail time for misremembering in a conversation with an fbi guy isn't what mccabe did where have you got these weird conspiracy texts, these ones
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that sound as if they are at least playing over silent coup possibilities. isn't mccabe's damage far more serious than what flynn did. >> i think the distinction is a valid one between what the two men did. in flynn's case, he was accused of lying about a meeting that was was not illegal or even unprecedented. he was meeting with russians. he admitted he met with russians. he said he didn't talk about sanctions. what mccabe is accused of lying or misleading investigators about was a violation. it was something that he didn't contravention of federal rules. the difference is one is looking at his pension. one is looking at a prison. >> mark: we should be beyond pension discussions with regard to mr. mccabe. professor jonathan turley thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> mark: chris is a former executive assistant director at the fbi. chris, everybody seems to think there is some kind of
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problem, institutional problem at the bureau these days. how do you fix that? how do you clean it up? is it just three or four bad apples on whatever i think it's the seventh floor of the building or is it actually a bigger problem than that? >> well, i'm one of those people that thinks it is a -- it's a comey inner circle problem that developed during the course of his very shorten you're at the fbi. this would have never happened under mueller or lielouie free or william webster or even bill sessions. so, the way to address this is to brush aside politics. brush aside anything that's distracting and go back to the facts and the precedent. because that's really what these disciplinary actions are all about. and there is ample precedent. i have seen street agents fired for lack of candor, which is really lying, that's a nice way of saying it. so, if it's good for street agents, then it should apply to the executive level as
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well. assuming that the facts are as they are being reported. >> mark: those texts that have just come out between this fellow peter strzok and, again, i don't understand this. 35,000 employees in this bureau. the same three or four people seem to have their fingers in everything that mattered. and these texts between peter strzok and this fellow rudy contreras, they are talking about fisa court judge, and they are -- and he is basically playing out, peter strzok, with his lover, games in which he can improperly influence the fisa court judge. why are peter strzok and his paramour as we call her, why are they still there. >> yeah, the disciplinary process works behind the scenes. it's not made public. they don't fire you and then decide the facts later. they get the facts, put you on ice, which is basically what they are doing. peter is on the rubber gun squad right now as we call
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it. and then when the facts are determined, and they go through the process of recommendation and then action taken, it takes a little while. bureaucratic but fair way of doing it it's not a court of law. it's basically internal affairs doing what they do. i can understand that process. >> mark: yeah, but there is a sense from the public's point of view that there is prima facie evidence of wrongdoing and bureaucrats are slow-walking it. so that if anybody -- it's like, you know, lois learner, what penalty lois learner ever pays becomes more mistierous an mismysterioud opaque and has less meaning as the months and years roll by. >> i happen to think that the i.g.'s final report here is going to be very impactful. far more impactful than any of these congressional investigations which basically go nowhere and are political theater.
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in fact, call them investigations is being very generous. so these are fact finding. they can get their hands on date that and mobile phones and go straight to the fbi server and pull out that information. it is a lot of information to go through. >> mark: no, no. that's certainly true as you say at the rate those two tweet and text, there could be months and months to go through. chris, thanks. >> true. >> mark: thanks very much. democrats claim to resist hate. but few can muster the courage to condemn louie farrakhan. that story is next. ♪ ♪ come to my window ♪ ohh
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>> mark: nation of islam leader louis farrakhan has hung out with countless democratic party big shots including barack obama once upon a time. he has also spent decades spewing hateful rhetoric to anybody who will listen to him. >> your country has been taken from you by the synagogue of satan. >> you come to take our life don't be surprised if you lose your own. farrakhan want to get an army to kill white people because you see white people deserve to die. >> mark: yeah, white people deserve to die thanks for that tip. victor hanson a senior fellow at the hoover
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institution, congressman todd rokita from indiana has just spruced a resolution in the house to condemn farrakhan. congressman, as far as this resolution is concerned, keith ellison from minnesota, for example, who is one of farrakhan's closest congressional allies, says this whole threatening is going nowhere, nobody cares about farrakhan and he can get along with cozying up to farrakhan as much as he wants. >> it's complete hypocrisy, mark. you pointed it out, dr. hanson has pointed it out. this news organization has pointed it out. where is the rest of the media. this liberal media elite that let's all this go by. you know, if this happened to a republican, you know, if there was some meeting like, this we wouldn't last one day in office. and all the news media would cover it from now until the elections and beyond it's absolutely ridiculous. one of the reasons i introduced the resolution. >> mark: and when they talk about david duke, david duke
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has got three followers, one of which is his dog whereas farrakhan has huge popularity with not just with the black community, but also at high levels of the democrat party. victor, what's odd to me is that farrakhan seemed to go away for a long time. he seemed like something to do with the million man march which is 20 years ago, and he seemed mired in the past and then suddenly you find out the women's march the coolest people around at the moment. they protest trump. they wear the pink hats and all the leaders of the women's march are somehow plugged into farrakhan is he kind of still current, isn't he? >> it's funny because we have known for three decades that he apowsed racism and antisemitism. why at 84 does he have this new apocalyptic language. he didn't just say that express racism. he used terms like going
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down and it's over. 73 years after the holocaust he said the era of the jew is over. transformation of the democratic party of old to the new identity politics progressive party, he is useful. he is not al a ba cross around somebody's neck. is he a useful asset. you can really see that you mentioned the women's march ms. perez and sarsour and mallory. gosh, when danny davis a congressman says that nobody cares about farrakhan. semitic debate and proper place of view of the jew us. in the hands of the third right. the jewish question holocaust. have a congressman talking about the jewish question in 2018. it's absurd and just reflects, you mentioned barack obama's photo op. but even more interesting the photographer who took that was bewildered because
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i don't know why they wanted to suppress it was common of knowledge nation of islam worked on the senate campaign. >> it's ridiculous that i even have to introduce this resolution. it's an easy question. do you condemn antisemitism? and the modern democratic party as the doctor points out can't answer the question. >> right. >> mark: victor, it seems to be a by product of identity politics. that what matters is who you are. so that if a white man says this kind of stuff, he is alt right. is he part of the problem at charlottesville. trump is called on to denounce him. if farrakhan says this, he can say exactly the same things and farrakhan's identity absolves him entirely from it. >> it does. it's very scary because in the case of the women's march, we have an african-american woman. we have hispanic woman. we have an arab american
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woman and they all feel that they get special dispensation to collude with somebody who is an obvious racist, anti-semite. and members of the black caucus who, remember, obama's photo op. took place in the capitol in the basement of the u.s. capitol. >> absolutely. >> people feel they are completely exempt to either collude with or to support tore to dismiss this racism. and it's going to create -- it just creates a problem of cynicism that nobody really does believe in anymore because the real question is what is their agenda? do they agree with farrakhan or do they not agree with him? they just need to tell us, that's why i really applaud the congressman's effort. we need to ask them that question. >> mark: white people deserve to die, you can't get any more specific than that professor, congressman, thanks very much for joining us tonight. a german foodbank says it simply can't handle the number of migrants coming to its doors. and has begun turning them
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between poor europeans who actually bear the brunt of these migration policies. >> yes. that's right. it's very good to be with you, mark. it's an amazing story because this story, this single foodbank in west germany, just they are saying look, we have got a lot of poor old people here. we have got a lot of women. we have got a lot of people who cue up and we want to be helping. and these young my grants push ahead of them and they just said we want to help the people we're set up to help here. for this as you say they have been called nazis. the german chancellor has come and sat on them and insulted them and instructed them to change their foodbank policy. and this is absolutely typical of the we see not just in germany but across all of europe. merkel invited in millions of people.
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continent unsurprising solid finding it difficult to integrate these people or even house them. she attacks people rather than wondering whether or not she might have made a mistake herself. >> mark: you use that final british word cue for what plight people do when they stand in line as they say in the united states. i noticed when i was in europe during the summer that all these migrants appeared. i don't know whether it is the standing in line or cueing is a anglo american continental phenomenon. but on trains and at just cacabab houses and all over the place you saw routinely, the bus station, you saw routinely aggressive young men pushing women out of the way. or even just at the supermarket. and i don't know whether that's because standing in line isn't part of their cultural tradition or actually whether it's
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something more sinister. >> you have it there. a young male migrant pushing ahead of an elderly woman in germany, what's the natural response to the german state? to call the elderly lady a nazi. you know, say they're the problem. we just had this by the way in london where i'm sitting. just today a young man who came illegally to the u.k. three years ago, said to the u.k. officials when they did find him that he had been trained by siz isis and then allowed to roam around and a year later last september he left a bomb on the london underground which thankfully failed to completely detective none nate. we had people with singhed hair instead of 30 children in schools with body bags. what was it that failed in the specific counter extreme policy. if you keep letting people
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in. you don't know who they are. authorities keep on inviting people n recent rears you haven't got a hope. >> mark: in germany they have this new party alternative for deutsche land. the alternative, which everyone says extreme right wing. the problem isn't these nice, young strapping young muslim men. the problem is that it's racist europeans now voting for racist right wing parties where is that going to end up eventually. >> i have been thinking about this a lot. my book came out in translation in germany this week. i have been dealing with german press and so on. i keep saying the same thing. you have to be very careful how you tread in germany. let me put it this way, you have got to find a way for the german people who, for instance, are cueing at a foodbank or see people cueing at a food banks to allow them to raise problems, raise issues that concern them without calling
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them nazis. have you got to find a way. find a plausible way for them to vent their feels about what they see. and currently there is no way because everywhere you turn you are a nazi. >> mark: upnext, thank you, douglas. up next we have a special edition of tucker's men in america series mike rowe that's up next on tucker carlson tonight. at a comfort inn with a glow taround them, so people watching will be like, "wow, maybe i'll glow too if i book direct at choicehotels.com." who glows? just say, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com. yes or no? do you want the same tools and seamless experience across web and tablet? do you want $4.95 commissions for stocks,
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♪ >> mark: tonight we have a friday edition of our wednesday series on men in america. this week tucker focused on falling job opportunities for young men and how it's ruining the american family. he recently sat down with mike rowe to discuss the problem. here is the conversation. >> tucker: mike rowe, thanks
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for joining us. >> tucker, thanks for having me. >> tucker: so you have spent a lot of your adult life watching men work. what they do, how long they do it, why they do it. tell us what happens when men can't work, when they are out of work, when they are idle and can't provide. what happens to men? >> well, your soul slips out of you. it's the frog in the boiling water. nothing good happens but the bad things that happen as a direct result unfold in a kind of disaster scenario. you become disengaged. you become emasculated. you start to ask yourself a whole lot of questions. you can't possibly answer. and then, if it gets bad. it turns in on itself and you become resentful and you look for someone to blame. and ultimately, you square off. sometimes against your own family. sometimes against your co-workers. sometimes against yourself. long way of saying nothing good. >> tucker: it's a disaster as you just pointed out not just for the unemployed man but for everyone around him
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and for the society itself. given that and i think that's clearly true, have you got 7 million men of working age out of the workforce now and nobody talks wittalk about it. it seems like something approaching a social crisis. why isn't that in the news more? >> i think because we can't decide who to blame, right? i mean, it's not news unless there is a bad guy. so we need a villain. we have got to have somebody in a black hat. and we look around. there is no shortage of potential villains. but the hard truth, i'm afraid, in my view and, again, i'm not an expert in any of it. but i think that a lot of what has happened is self-inflicted. i think men becoming somewhat disconnected from whatever version of manhood they espouse, i think that happens because of relationships with their dad, with their grand father, you know. grand fathers aren't around anymore. we talk a lot about the role of fathers. obviously that's been fractured but it's
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extraordinary, really, when you think about the safety net a kid had growing up. there was a dad there and there was a grand father there. and there was inertia and a lot of things that the kid could look to not just for ideas and virtues but for proof, you know. >> tucker: right. >> so that's gone. that's not just a problem for the individual. it's a problem, i think, if you think a culture has an identity, if you think a society as a soul, these are the enemies of those things. >> tucker: there is know requesquestion about it do you think we value work as inherent virtue as a society? >> no. no, i don't. i think that we have identified work as the proximate cause of our dissatisfaction. and i think you don't have to look far to find endless examples. look, the best selling books right now in the self-help section and in general claimed to have the solution for how you can work less.
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most of the commercials on tv ask a tacet question, how could you be happier? and the answer, of course is retire a little sooner or work 35 instead of 40 hours. you know, the tv shows that are typically valued tend to embrace notions of shortcuts, you know. in a thousand different ways, i believe as a society we have made the case that the enemy of your happiness is your damn job. if you can only have less of that all these other things and some perverse severe subgame would equal out and you would smile more. look, i know it's hack need and i know we have talked about it before this is who horatio stuff. this is being suspicious of immediate graphics gratification. it's taking the long view. mostly in my view, we can control how we define a good job. there is a lot of stuff we can't control. but our culture has made it
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very, very clear that some kinds of work have less tee sicial tha --desirable than oth. once we set the table that way we look at some kinds of education as being more important than others. next you know $1.5 trillion in student loans, you have got 6 million jobs available right now that involve training and not a four year degree. and have you got a whole generation of kids who are nicely educated for jobs that don't exist anymore with a big fat pile of debt they can't pay back because we lent them a bunch of money we didn't have in the first place. it ain't great. >> tucker: i have got to say almost all the happy and successful people i know work and love to work. so maybe there is something at least for men there is something about working that makes you happy just the act of working? do you think that's true? >> i think so. i do think it's true. but i think the lie, like the big underlying bright and shiny lie is the idea that what you do is the
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thing that will either make you happy or unhappy. that's not what you just said. what you said is the business of working has an underlying inherent value to it. i do believe deeply that's 100 percent true. if it were true, that certain jobs made certain people unhappy or made everybody unhappy, then obviously everybody in that job would be miserable. but, you know, if there is one enduring lesson from dirty jobs, it's the fact that those people as a group are having a better time and were more excepted to their work than the vast majority of people i know who make great white collar livings. it's just an inconvenient truth, if you will pardon the bromide but it's out there and there is a lot of hope in it. if you can find people doing something that you were told is supposed to make you miserable but they are somehow prospering and happy. you are going to have to square that the evidence demands a verdict and look
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good news all of this is there is a lot of evidence out there that's positive. >> tucker: the average lumberjack that you interviewed on your show always seemed happier than the average corporate lawyer i know. which is kind of -- >> there is a sense it's like being in on some sort of joke. it really and truly is. we can talk more. but it's basically a band of brothers and it's the feeling you get when you know whatever it is you are doing matters. of course you have to get paid. but you also have to know that you are doing something worthwhile. >> tucker: exactly. mike rowe, that's great. thank you. >> any time. >> mark: more lumberjacks, fewer lawyers. i'm on board with that tucker's men in america's series continues next wednesday. don't miss it. up next, a family has been reunited with its beloved dog after united airlines accidently sent it all the way to japan instead of kansas city. that's next.
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>> mark: an american dog, the united airlines mistakenly shipped all the way to japan has finally been reunited with his family. ogo a german shepherd was supposed to be moving with the swindle family with oregon to kansas, but, instead, united mixed them up with a great dain and sent them off to the land of the rising sun all alone. two days later he has been
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rereunited with the swindle family. sent home corporate jet. not all ends badly. that's it for us tonight. a happy saint patrick's day. ♪ ♪ >> sean: a lot of ground to cover. welcome to special edition of hannity. washington scandals tonight. real breaking news. real investigative reporting that the rest of the mainstream media will never do. we have explosive new information first reported by sara carter since confirmed by fox news. newly obtained text messages are showing trump hating fbi agent peter strzok was close friends with u.s. district court judge rudolph can tears. con tears. strzok and fbi lover lisa page wanted to meet judge cocon
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