>> we will see you back here tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert, a fourth explosion in austin, texas. police now say they are dealing with the serial bomber. we got an update just last hour. if the explosion last night sent to comment to the hospital. we are told they are in stable condition and their injuries are not life-threatening. police say the bomb was triggered by a tripwire. the three previous explosions were all package bombs. police are saying there are some similarities in the devices use both a tripwire suggests a higher level of sophistication than they originally expected. we will have much more on this developing story, keep watching. >> sandra: a fox news alert, we are awaiting possible remarks from the president. he's expected to make a major announcement on combating the drug epidemic across the countr country. we are watching to see if he says anything about the firing

of fbi director andrew mccabe and where the white house stands on robert mueller. it's just monday morning. town hall editor and fox news contributor at katie pavlich, host of "kennedy" on fox business, kennedy. in joining us on the couch, chris bedford. he is "outnumbered," good to have you. >> chris: great to be back, happy monday. >> harris: you are one of my favorite accounts on twitter, so creative. >> chris: thank you. >> sandra: this is a big deal. new developments today after a busy weekend at the white house and all of washington reacting to jeff sessions firing fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. mr. session says mccabe was terminated after an extensive and fair investigation, which found that he leaked to the media and did not tell the full

truth about it. at first the president's personal lawyers reacted by calling to the end of the mueller probe. white house attorney ty cobb said the president is not planning to fire mueller. the president for the first time specifically mentioning robert mueller in a tweet, saying the russia probe never should've started in the first place. marc short asked where this is all going yesterday, watch. >> we have cooperated in every single way, every paper they've asked for, every single interview. after more than a year and millions of dollars spent on this, there remains no evidence of collusion with russia. >> it's been ongoing in both the house and the senate where the house has concluded there was no collusion. i think at some point the american people are at an answer, to say if there is no collusion, how much longer will this drag on? >> sandra: kevin corke is live outside the white house, good afternoon.

>> it's interesting watching all that build up, just have to say where is it? is there collusion? if there is not collusion, eventually the end would have to come. that is certainly the feeling of the white house. the president involved in a tweet storm over the weekend, the target of course special counsel bob mueller end of the russia probe and the fact that this is already cost taxpayers tens of million of dollars. here's what he saying right now. "a total witch hunt with massive conflict of interest." i want to share for the folks at home a bit of back story from what you gave them, a heads up about john dowd issuing the statement over the weekend. i pray rod rosenstein will follow the brilliant and courageous example of the fbi office of professional responsibility and jeff sessions and bring an end to allege russia collusion investigations manufactured by jim comey based upon a fraudulent and corrupt

dossier which apparently was bought by the dnc and the clinton campaign. just ended on the merits in light of recent revelations. after all that, a lot of folks on capitol hill, some republicans and a host of democrats are worried that the presidents tweet, seemingly taunting the special counsel bob mueller frankly is making a mockery of the investigative process. >> this president is engaged in desperate and reckless conduct to intimidate the law enforcement agencies of this country and try to stop a special counsel. that is unacceptable in a democracy. if the president reaches out and stop this investigation, that is a constitutional crisis in this country. that's been said by democrats and republicans alike. >> we've heard this drumbeat before, we've heard it from dick durbin and others, some of the press also ran the alarm now and again, saying the president might call for an end to the

probe which despite what you may or may not have heard he can do but that's not the plan. ty cobb -- i want a mustache like this, by the way. "in response to media speculation, the white house yet again confirms, president not considering discussing the firing of the special counsel robert mueller. clearly the president's attorneys don't want him out there on twitter fanning the flames, if you will, but as you know he marches to the beat of his own drummer and in this circumstance he is certainly doing that. i am listening to the choppers, we are told there's going to be a delay in the departure. when he takes off if he steps before the camera, i promise to bring it to you as soon as he does. >> sandra: we will be on that as well. kevin corke, thank you. take your pick, where do you want to begin. what a weekend it was. >> it was interesting

st. patrick's day which was very inconsiderate of the news to get in there. i think the president was really missed served by his legal team over the weekend, they had a guy who was fired by the book, recommended by his own colleague for potentially breaking the law and lying to the federal government and lying to the fbi, at least not being forward enough. >> harris: they called it deception. >> chris: >> chris: instead theg up mueller. they should have just let this new story go on. it had nothing to do with mueller except maybe corruption at the top of the fbi. >> katie: i think the fact that they stepped into tie this to the russia probe despite all the criticisms, the lack of collusion evidence, et cetera. this was a case where finally, a bureaucrat in washington, d.c., was held accountable and fired as a result of their own

actions. they were held accountable in the same way a number of people throughout the course of the last two years have been fired for doing the same thing that andrew mccabe has allegedly done. it's the offices of the inspector general recommending this, and the office of respect do my professional responsibility. in a place where nobody is held accountable for anything, i think it's refreshing that they finally made this decision to let him go. this idea that now they've put it into a category that it is unrelated to boils down down te argument and doesn't allow them to say it was separate from us, we are not the ones dragging this out. the mueller probe is on a separate issue. >> harris: what i hear you saying is that his attorney kind of jumped the shark a little bit. i know we were talking off camera before, you guys all seem to agree with that. >> kennedy: i agree the president shouldn't fire robert mueller.

i also think this investigation needs to play out. he allows his opponents to become victims. because of a lot of the press coverage, he'll write the narrative's casting them in a way more sympathetic light. i don't think it was necessary to fire him two days before it was eligible for his pension, i think you wait for the entire investigation to conclude, charge him for what he's liable for criminally and take the pension away after that. it looks like a political move where jeff sessions is so terrified of being fired that is going to do whatever it takes to get back into the president's good graces and that looks politicized. >> chris: i think some of the democrats who have been jumping to his aid right now, may be going too far. >> harris: almost jumping the shark on the other side of the political aisle. >> chris: all we know is that his wife took $100,000 from an

ally of clinton for a state campaign. those are $60,000 budgets. a lot of smoke there, lying to the fbi, democrats who come out too strongly might end up regretting that. >> sandra: when does this probe and? >> katie: i don't think anybody knows and that's why i think the white house is so frustrated. the inner circles outside the white house are frustrated, they feel like this is no longer about russian collusion, look at what everyone has been charged with, they are the ones getting charged if things are relevant to the 2016 election. i can see why that's extremely frustrating. we have to remember, this is not a political move and it's important to remember, he's

going to get some of his pension. he's not going to get his entire pension stripped away as democrats have tried to argue. >> harris: he's a civil servant, there's a lot of stopgaps built in. we may spend a lot trying to keep what he can get in that might be part of the point. >> chris: >> kennedy: if he's be law, he has to be held accountable. it can't be if the guy you see as an opponent has done wrong coming up to go after him. we can't have a system like that, there has to be equal accountability and we are not seeing that and that's why it's so easy for people to rush under their political umbrellas with a broader brush, paint their opponent as someone using fax to their benefit. everyone ends up losing in the end. >> sandra: we will see if the president makes any comments on

this and just a moment. hillary clinton appears to be doubling down in several ways. we heard her remarks that white women vote the way men tell them to. the latest reaction to that, and all the other things recently, some of the party just want her to go away. the big details drawing praise and criticism, we will be right back.

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>> harris: a fox news alert, president trump along with the first lady on their way to new hampshire. the president expected to unveil his response to the opioid epidemic. at a rally in pennsylvania last week the president described his rationale for seeking the harshest punishment for drug traffickers, watch. >> if somebody kills, they go away for life and they can get the death penalty. you kill 5,000 people with drugs because you're smuggling them in and making a lot of money and people are dying and they don't even put you in jail, they don't do anything but you might get 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, you might get a year but you're not going to get -- and then you wonder why we have a problem.

>> harris: you may recall, the president has promised to tackle the source of drug abuse and addiction on the campaign trail. >> remember the promise i made, we will stop those drugs from pouring in, poisoning your children, poisoning everyone else. we will work very hard to get people off that addiction. it's going to happen, we are going to do it. i said i was going to do it and were going to do it. you look at new hampshire, look at so many -- almost every stat state. we are going to stop that from coming into our country. we are going to stop it. >> harris: new hampshire kind of a stomping ground on this issue for a host of reasons because of what they've dealt with. >> chris: something needs to be done and donald trump is speaking with a heart initial hs a lot of his voters will

appreciate. this has gotten so rampant. there is no way the supreme court would allow the death penalty for drug dealers. the supreme court has basically defined the death penalty to serial killers, contract killers, and a contract killers. >> harris: he has a three-part plan, multiple plans to raise awareness and expand treatment options as well but this is on the table because he says that the harshest ultimate sentence within the law. >> katie: in theory i understand why he saying it, but legally this is never going to fly. how do you prove in a court of law that this person, whoever they may be, whether it's someone who is importing fentanyl into the country, a

doctor overprescribing prescription medication, you are not going to be able to prove that that person is directly responsible for multiple deaths. i don't think that's going to fly. i do think he is speaking in terms of the multistep approach, stopping at the border, having the doj go after harsher sentencing, it's going to be a difficult thing. >> harris: i just had a flashback to the cartel members crossing the border, some of them were rather infamous and had to be sent back or brought here back and forth between here and our southern border. >> sandra: you talk about the president coming at that with toughness, i think there's something else there and he's been very open about the struggles of his brother and losing his brother to alcoholism, this is a president who says he does not drink, does not smoke, has never done drugs. it was something else, you get a sense that he really cares about making this change for this country.

there is a sensitivity level there as well when he says he meets with the family members and he's trying to understand what they're going through especially in parts of the country like he's going to visit today. he does bring a different side to this discussion that we haven't seen. >> chris: it shows that no matter where you are in america, every single family in this country has been hit by this addiction. >> kennedy: i'm going to come at it from a different perspective, one of the nice things we saw during the presidential campaign was the elevation of the discussion about addiction. about people who suffer from addiction who really have nowhere to turn and the criminal justice system turns them into criminals and changes them forever. people like that are put in prison. it's a two-way arrangement. when someone sells drugs you also have someone who is buying drugs, someone who is injecting them and snorting them and smoking them and we have -- i haven't heard the president satisfactorily talk about demand. the supply issue doesn't work,

the war on drugs doesn't work. communities in this country have been decimated by the war on drugs. entire generations of men in prison because of sentencing disparities in the way we look at drug addiction in this country. executing drug dealers doesn't really get to the heart of that critical issue which is addiction and demand. >> harris: the timeline between what you're saying, the addiction at the end, and the flow and it becomes collocated at that point. >> katie: it is an extremely complicated issue, it takes local communities to be involved, the president has invited families from all over the country to come in and tell their stories. every single person, it could be your high school kid who happened to try something one time or someone who also is become addicted over the course of a 15-20 year period. it's an individual case for each

person, it's an individual situation for each family and that makes it extremely difficult when it comes to the supply and demand. do they get addicted because of their painkillers or because they were buying drugs on the street? which is something the justice department has to look at. >> harris: having the president focus on it definitely changes the conversation. >> sandra: the president making his weight to new hampshire amid a flurry of activities. republican senator jeff flake has called for someone to challenge the president in 2020 and he blasted the president at an event on friday. >> i hope that someone does run in the republican primary to challenge the president. i stand before you today, the rarest of species. the american conservative. the marathon asked never-trumpist.

>> katie: the last time i candidate challenged the parties presidential incumbent was in 1992. president bush would go on to lose his reelection to bill clinton. what do you think? >> chris: usually it's really bad to get a primary when you are a sitting president. ronald reagan was able to find ted kennedy's speeches. difference between ted kennedy and patrick buchanan is you can feel it in your bones when you hear these guys talk, in new hampshire, john kasich telling everyone he was the prince of light, that title has been taken. you don't look like jesus to me, john. i see jeff flake up there with that cringeworthy joe, i like the segment peter doocy did right after when he pointed out

there was not a single murmur, laugh, or clap during his whole speech. >> kennedy: let's talk about these people because they are not visionaries. they don't have a strong vision of what they are america would look like and that's why people voted for president trump. it isn't enough to get the attention of the base and republican voters and more of them have said since october, by 13 percentage points, they are more likely to vote for president trump again in the primary in 2020. i have no problem with a bunch of people running for president, the difference here is president trump isn't really a republican. these people who somehow think they are going to make the republican party normal again haven't offered a viable vision. >> katie: i think the prime for this was during the 2015 primary which we all saw and went through and covered and it didn't turn out well for the third party candidate who ran against trump when he was running against hillary clinton. i don't understand what the

point of this is, splitting the resources and unlike jeff flake who can even win a primary and red arizona, i don't think he should be leading the party when it comes to who should be defeating donald trump. >> sandra: the president and melania trump are making their way to new hampshire, as we been talking about, to unveil the president's opioid plan including the death penalty for traffickers. we will keep that live shot up as they make their way there and continue our conversation here. something that you feel very passionately about. >> kennedy: absolutely. we will see what the president has to say. i really think he has to look at the idea of letting go of executing drug dealers. >> chris: it might trick the democrats into defending drug dealers. >> katie: that might be his goal, you never know. speaking of trolling. >> harris: the sad part about

that is you need to deal with the influx of opiates and other illicit drugs and the people who are addicted to them. >> kennedy: politically, what does this do to the midterms? how do republicans part of this out as a winning message? >> harris: it's one of those issues that did play out during the campaign as sandra pointed out earlier. you are helping people and looking to meet with those families. it's not just an object, you get to do some of that hands-on life-changing potentially if your policies are fostered in the right direction. if you go against it, what does that do? who wants to go against that? politically it doesn't leave the other side of the whole ground to stand on. no matter where you think the president's policy is on this, the three-pronged multistep policy, he's talking at it with elevation as you put. >> chris: remembering the forgotten man in pennsylvania

and ohio, southern massachusetts, that's crucial. >> sandra: you are looking live at the president and first lady stepping off of marine one. making their way from the white house just a short time ago. you never know if he's going to answer his questions, that twitter storm over the weekend. curious timing there. he was running a little bit late, they jumped right onto marine one and have now landed and they will make their way to air force one. they will head to new hampshire. all of this says we are discussing the possible g.o.p. challenger. >> katie: i know jeff flake has been in new hampshire, he talked about it repeatedly since he left the senate. i don't see how that's going to work out in the republican favor. we've seen as history shows it

only splits about on the right side. it might peel off a few votes. >> harris: i'm wondering, where does the split? he's lobbied against this president on the senate floor. >> kennedy: it was a very small field for the democrats in 2016. if the republicans want democrats to do damage to their own party, let them do what democrats did in the presidential cycle. let 25 people run, let there be a circus and chaos, every other democrat. bernie sanders, elizabeth warre warren. the ultraleft is less than battling it out. jeff flake and republicans like them have to make the decision. they want someone who bears their party metal to win or the team after they want trump to lose.

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>> harris: we can confirm the memos written by now former fbi director -- deputy director andrew mccabe are in the hands of special counsel robert mueller. this comes as his own statements are raising new questions for his former boss james comey. remember, mccabe was fired for allegedly leaking to the media and lying to investigators about it. he said this a -- but that seems to contradict what comey said in testimony to congress last year, watch. >> have you ever authorize

someone else of the fbi to be an anonymous source in news reports about the trump investigation or the clinton investigation? >> no. >> harris: jonathan turley weighed in on this earlier toda today. >> there is definitely a problem, this would seem to contradict what comey said. this is an even more serious, it will raise questions on whether comey is a leaker but a liar. >> harris: that is because mccabe said the director knew, the director said he didn't. >> chris: it sounded like he already knew the answer to that. senator grassley was asking james comey, saying "if you ever directed anyone to do this?" i think comey is going to fall

back and say "i didn't direct anyone to do it, i was just aware." >> harris: we have a situation now with mccabe, it's not called lying, it's called deception. >> katie: i would call it lying but legally, james comey who is an attorney would say he was not being completely thorough in his answer but you are absolutely right. a lot of the times the investigators on capitol hill know the answers to the questions are asking which is why you have to tell the truth. it's going to get messy here in a couple of weeks, james comey published his book and we try to reconcile the statements that have been made by his deputies and those people under him with what he knew and what the senator owes in front of congress and what he saying now. as he admitted before, he was willing to give information to a friend to have them leak it to outside sources, media, why wouldn't he allow other people working under him to do the same? >> harris: kennedy, i want to ask you this.

when you look at the whole investigation, are you going to match facts with fiction or are you just looking for the spirit of the moment? did they mean to deceive, what makes the litmus test? >> kennedy: unfortunately with the hillary clinton investigation they created the litmus test. that is the template all these other investigations will hold themselves up against. which is more of the spirit of what went on and not the actual lawbreaking. my worry here is that there are individuals at the fbi who have put so many people in the position where now weed out law enforcement where in the past we've had so much faith in law enforcement. there have been so many types of -- whether it's the media or strain of liberalism that has always cast aspersions on law enforcement, rationalism said no, these are the people looking

out for freedom and truth and justice. but now because of this we have -- we look at the fbi in a completely different manner. my biggest worry is that these memos they were keeping and offering weren't necessarily memos, they were book proposals. >> harris: are afterthoughts. the president tweeted -- i don't know if we have that but he specifically talked about the fact that -- i didn't spend a lot of time with andrew mccabe, he never took notes when he was with me. i don't believe you made memos except to help his own agenda, probably at a later date. same with james comey. can we call them fake memos? >> katie: will let him answer that question. what he saying is he never in his presence and take notes. you are saying it could be an afterthought, but what you think is in them? what are they going to reveal?

>> chris: people started to feel bad for mccabe and you shouldn't take away someone's pension on st. patrick's day, pensions are dear to the irish. it is kind of amazing that he has changed the narrative very quickly. first he was quiet and he just went, maybe he was just covering for the fbi. isn't that funny? it's an amazing statement that is come out, blames donald trum donald trump, his own comrades said this guy has to go, he has to leave. >> harris: i just want to know what's in that ig report. >> harris: release all the primary sources. no more memos, give us the reports.

>> harris: if the fbi does not turn over more than 1 million missing documents related to hillary clinton, republicans in the house say they will subpoena the agency. will anybody ever be held accountable? we will talk about it, stay close. morning on the beach was so peaceful.

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don't want to wait. >> we've had communications with the department of justice about this and they know that not just myself and chairman trey gowdy but other members of the house are very concerned about the slow nature of those documents being produced and action will have to take a new level here very soon. >> katie: we thought the hillary clinton email case may be ending but they are requesting a million documents and threatening to subpoena. >> chris: you'd almost think eric holder was still in charge of the department of justice with the fbi refusing to hand over these emails. originally some of them were redacted to hide for example that the doj officials were trying to plan a cocktail party to meet with the newly appointed fisa judge. that came out there, should we have six people so it won't be

suspicious? this was apparently a national security matter and they had to redact that and chuck grassley started asking questions about it and as soon as he started asking questions, the judge recused himself. these are the kinds of things the fbi are deciding national security threats. it's embarrassing. >> katie: to chris's point, this is actually about fisa of years and making sure it doesn't happen again. >> kennedy: when i look at this i see how easy it is to abuse this surveillance system we've got in this country, the -- congress on the president signed into law that new ability for various intelligence agencies to go and get more stuff and find more easily and insulate this. we don't know how it works. we've been talking about reading this application for some time, we've never laid eyeballs on something like that and it will be great to see this stuff without those politically

convenient retractions but it goes back to fisa and you shouldn't be outraged when the person you are trying to protect is the one targeted. you should be outraged that our government can function like this at all. >> sandra: why aren't all those documents turned over already? >> kennedy: that is a fine question, absolutely right. >> sandra: the fbi lovers who exchanged all those text messages, we've learned he had a friendship with the judge who presided over the flynn case. >> harris: in any other facet of society, we don't have friendships with judges in cases we are involved in. >> katie: and arrange cocktail and dinner parties with them. >> chris: fbi decided that six people is the perfect

nonsuspicious dinner party. >> sandra: we need another person to show up. the other thing they are looking into his information that may have been given to the clinton campaign under the obama administration doj about her criminal case. they are also looking at leaking from that perspective of giving the campaign information about the investigation either during the investigation or after. >> harris: when you hear things like what katie is reporting right now, and you couple that with the fact that many of the people have left that we need to talk to, the ig can't get his hands on, isn't this sort of easily making a case for a second special counsel or not? >> chris: i don't really like special councils, it starts off with collusion and ends up being tampering and money laundering. but you need one here, just for

example, once these guys left the fbi, the ig can't talk to them. >> harris: he can't tell them to talk. he can ask pretty please. >> katie: doesn't have a lot of jurisdiction. hillary clinton backing down from her belief that white women vote the way men tell them to vote. how her comments could impact the party going forward.

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>> kennedy: a lot of new reaction to hillary clinton's apparent belief that some white women vote the way their men tell them to. she wrote a long, rambling facebook post explaining her remarks. writing -- longtime aide is backing her up. >> the democrats have been losing white women for some time and she's explain why that happened. she could also have been talking

about barack obama, john kerry, al gore. that could be someone else in 2020. >> kennedy: it will be someone else because no democrats want to talk about her. watch what dick durbin told chris wallace about her role in the party. >> hillary clinton like every american has the right to express her point of view. but we are moving onto the next chapter of american history. we have new democratic leadership and more people aspiring to be a candidate in 2020. it will be a different cast of characters completely. >> kennedy: this is an establishment democrat telling hillary clinton to go away. >> chris: i guess they weren't with her. isn't that a creepy campaign slogan in the first place? i think we've gone to a point with some of these democrats, they've been pushing this --

racist stuff so long that they are starting to believe it or not able to understand that female voters in the united states don't agree with hillary clinton, or politics or her party. maybe they just weren't with her. >> kennedy: she posted this on facebook but she blamed facebook for her election loss. >> harris: you know it -- when it's time to exit and it's no longer with finesse or relevance, just go. democrat friends i have are telling me that this is now starting to hurt the party because they're spending more time talking about her missteps than they are talking about what they need to be fixing within the party, what happened and why they really lost. >> kennedy: democrats are coming off this victory in the pennsylvania special election, it brings up some interesting strategies democrats could capitalize on. she has to make it about her

once again. the stuff that insults an entire category of people. >> katie: she double down on it and says there is actually an excellent nation for this. what about the other way around, maybe men vote the same way women do and they have the same kind of moral principles because they live together. i don't know what's worse, her in the first place or her backtracking and insulting again by not actually apologizing. >> sandra: but what i was going to ask, what was a better way to dig her out? >> harris: use all the latest apology she issued, my question would be which part of "she's insulting trump supporters," that's what she said in her comments. but which time? this has been going on.

>> kennedy: how about she picks an issue like al gore did and sticks with it instead of just picking self-pity? >> chris: i love it, stay around. >> kennedy: we have more "outnumbered" in just a moment, stay right here. >> tech: at safelite autoglass

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thisat red lobsterest. with exciting new dishes like dueling lobster tails and lobster truffle mac & cheese. classics like lobster lover's dream are here too. so enjoy these 10 lobsterlicious dishes while you can because lobsterfest won't last. the entire community came whtogether as a whole.t, ♪ it was such an overwhelming response to help others. no one thought that they were going to do this before it happened and everyone just did it. i think that's the way that human nature should be looked at. ♪ i'll stand by you. ♪ i'll stand by you. ♪ won't let nobody hurt you. ♪ i'll stand by you. >> thanks to chris bedford. always nice to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> sorry it wasn't st. patrick's day. >> we start early.

good time. >> is there one in december? >> then the news came. we were sitting there at 9:00 a.m. oh, jeez. breaking us news. >> here's harris. >> harris: we begin with this fox news alert. growing concerns about a serial bomber in austin, texas. we go "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. austin police say they see similarities now in a fourth explosion that went off sunday night in the text capitol. three other explosions in the recent week have the same similarities. this one injured two men on a residential street showed a higher level of sophistication. watch. >> we've seen similarities in the device that exploded last night and the other three devices that have exploded in austin starting march 2. this is preliminary information,