you these good samaritans outside of philly. this car flipped and they flipped it back over. the driver was rescued. thanks for watching estimate. we will see you back here tomorrow night in washington. >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. a bomber is terrorizing the state of texas.uc a fifth bomb has gone off in a suburb of san antonio, texas. that follows four other explosions in austin. good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we are joined by casey stegall who is in austin. >> good evening. this just in from the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms and explosives, the suspicious package that was found at this fedex distribution center back here right next to austin airport, it contained a bomb and police detonated it today.

the atf confirming right before thisef program began that the exploded package at a different fedex distribution center outside of san antonio in schertz, texas, did in fact happen but no serious injuries. that was explosion number five. first was march 2nd, that's when this all started in east austin. let's show you a map to give you some context. the first one, march 2nd, in east austin. ten days later, two blasts in a single day. all three of those were unidentified packages left on someone's front doorstep containing bombs. two people died and two were critically hurt with those. then sunday night, explosion number four, southwest austin. police say that device was planted near a fence and it was armed with a tripwire that was activated by two guys going by on their bicycles. that was more advanced police say than the previous three and that's when the real sense of urgency kicked in and it's even

more urgent tonight. now learning that the delivery methods have changed and they've made their way to these distribution centers. a lot of fluid information, we'll keep you posted from austin tonight. tucker. >> tucker:uc thanks. as you can see, we are trying to sort out those basic facts of this, and as we are, the usual forces of division have tried to turn this into some kind of identity politics forum. members of congress immediately demanded that the white house classify these killings as domestic terrorism. they suggested there were racial motivations behind the bombingsh the truth is we don't know that. we don't know very much at all at this point. here are a few of the unanswered questions still out there. first, most obviously, who is doing this? we have no name, no face, not even a grainy photograph or police sketch of a suspect. the attacker or attackers remain totally mysterious. we're not even sure if it's a single person.rs it could be several. it could be an organized effort by a terror group.ta it could possible at least

one bomb was a copycat. would a package bomber switch to using tripwires? we don't know. and what's the motive? no notes have surfaced, no manifesto. do police think there's a pattern to the attacks? the first two bombs went to black families in austin. the third bomb was injured a hispanic woman, though apparently she was not the target. authorities say that bomb was addressed to somebody else. who was it addressed to? does that person have anything in common with the first two people hurt by the bombs? what about the bombs at the fedex facility today? who were they addressed to? on sunday, a tripwire bomb hit a completely different part of town and injured two people who are white. were they targets? does that mean race played no role or a role that's more confusing than we imagined? motives in these cases tend to be impossible to guess without evidence. though that doesn't stop people from trying. remember the unabomber was waging a one-man war against the industrial revolution. that's not something fbier profilers would have surmised or did. and what do the bombs themselves tell us? is there a pattern to their design?

do they bear any resemblance to explosives used by terrorel groups abroad, to ieds used in the middle east?es and last and more important, how close are police to catching whoever is doing this? the fedex turned over an unexploded bomb to police, and police believe they know where the bombs were sent from. will that lead anywhere? we don't know. all these questions need to be answered in order to understandd the attacks, their cause, and whether there are broader implications for the rest of usd for now, it seems wiser to focus on answers rather than reaching conclusions unsupported by evidence. buck sexton joins us tonight. does anything about what we know so far arranged itself into a pattern forth you? >> no, the forensic analysis will be critical and that's why having an unexploded bomb would be particularly useful here because any time for dealing with a bomb that's detonated, you can lose some of the most important information you could get. people often think of

fingerprints, that's not what i you'll find. people use gloves when they're building a bomb, but dna is much harder. w to prevent from getting on one of theseut devices. some of that will be burned off once the device goes, but sometimes it won't be. if they have an intact device,e, maybe you'll get your first real break in this case. >> tucker: you were trained in explosives during your career, you often hear that a bomb has been detonated in some contained space, is the bomb photographed or measured or in other ways examined before it is?ne >> yes, absolutely. well, it depends. if they're worried about the bomb being a threat to public safety, they'll detonate it first to make sure that there's no loss of life or injury an end it contained space afterwards, they can piece by piece put it together and look at everything. in a case where the tripwire was the activating device, they're going to have fragmentsg and shrapnel, so the forensic analysis will take a longer time, but when they're detonating and deciding to set it off before it can do any

harm, then it would be an enclosed space and go through whatever procedure they need to. >> tucker: are we sure these bombs are connected to each other? by my understanding, the first two were placed. the third was ofthce tripwire wd was placed as well. the bombs fedex was reporting were sent. does that suggest it's the same person? >> it suggests that, assuming it's one person as you mentioned, it may be a group is various tactics, techniques, and procedures and also to increase the fear. this is about a campaign of terror of one kind or another. i might be a madman who has a personal grudge against theal state, the government, who it could be somebody who has a it could be somebody who has a more specific political manifesto. by changing things up, it makes things harder for law enforcement to track a pattern and that seems to be a part of the additional planning here which by the way, justen the increase in sophistication of devices makes it seem like we

might be dealing with somebody who has really planned this out and they have prior experience with explosives and will continue this for the foreseeable future until he is caught. >> tucker: and is taking risks by placing these. thank you. mark steyn is an author and columnist. a keen and wise observer of america. he joins us tonight. what do you make of this? >> it's interesting to me becausee as buck was saying, the three different methods this guy has used, it's the same guy, the fedex, aspect of it is interesting to me because one always gets the impression with fedex, the bar codes, the information you have to supply, that they know every aspect of the moment youom entered the facilityom with it s it proceeds to where it's going and as it's delivered to whoever

the recipient is. it's interesting to me that's not the case. apparently they have no way of just looking up their bar codes, looking at the times and actually identifying who put thisth thing in the system. that's actually quite revealing in an age when if you write a handwritten birthday card to your grannyo and take it to the post office, the united states postal service which isn't actually a cutting edge business, actually films that and keeps a photographic record of your handwritten birthday card to granny. there are aspects about this in the panoptic and state, the all seeing surveillance state, somebody is identifying some quite useful holes. >> tucker: the whole point of the surveillance state is to prevent things like this in the first place, isn't it? >> i think that's true, but what's actually happening is it's becoming a bit like overlapping area codes. when the old area code getss

filled up and they introduce a new area code over the sameen geographical area. i think we are moving to a world where we have two groups of people inhabiting the same real estate. you have people who are monitored incessantly so as we saw in london, people can fly in and an american lady with no criminal record can fly into the other side of the world, land at luton airport in london and the government will deport her because of something she said on social media. everything is known about her. at the same time, you have people like the las vegas bomber who lived a life that left no footprint. so six months after that attack, we actually know as little about him and his motivations as we did on the night it happened. these two groups of people --

a good name for the second group of people, if it hadn't been taken by illegal immigrants would be undocumented. every aspect of law-abiding people's lives are documented up the wazoo and then you haveci this other group of people who manage to find all the shadows and the pockets and move about unseen and unknown and there's going to be more of that in the future. >> tucker: it's setting upse perverse incentives against a participating in legitimate ways in society, it seems to me. >> that's right. i think you're going to haven people, and by the way, just to throw in the third example, it was a guy who had a big social media presence, but it's almost as if, the more we leave clues on facebook and twitter and instagram, as in the case of nikolas cruz, nobody actually pays any attention to what he's doing in front of your nose, so

we monitor people social media behavior more than we monitor what they're doing when we are in the same room as them. >> tucker: of course there are thousands of potentially dangerous crazy people living on our streets and we ignore them. mark, thank you, great to see you tonight. republicans control both houses of congress and they're about to pass a huge spending bill. what does that bill reflect? democratic priorities versus republican? we'll put that question to a republican congressman next. ♪ get outta my dreams ♪ get into my car ♪ get into my car ♪ ♪ get outta... applebee's to go. order online and get $10 off $30. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.

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friday of this week unless congress can pass a spending bill. republicans in congress seem like they're about to do that. they say they are, so what's in the deal? well, probably not a lot of what you voted for in 2016. the final bill is expected to spend $1.3 trillion. that will of course dramatically increase the deficit. what it won't do is provide a single dollar for the border wall, even though the president got elected, as you may remember, on a pledge to build one.de the law will not pull funding from sanctuary cities even though those cities are deliberately acting to sabotage federal law. on the other hand, the spending bill would continue to give hundreds of millions of tax dollars to abortion promoter and democratic party stalwart planned parenthood, whose director spoke at the democratic convention. the republican party, of course, promised to defund planned parenthood not so long ago. meanwhile, the priorities of this congress seem to be set by the democratic party rather than by the party supposedly in charge. democrats have defined the terms of the immigration debate from day one and still are. now they're doing the same on gun control. how should republican voters feel about all of this?

brit hume has watched a lot of congresses come and go. that's why he's our senior political analyst at fox. and he joins us now. brit, is there a concern that republican voters will look at this and be disappointed or will they be so afraid of democrats that they'll be motivated to vote anyway? >> [laughs] well, tucker, i'm not sure that's quite the choice. i'm sure republican voters will be disappointed with this, but this is a very familiar pattern we are seeing here, and it comes down to this. it's a question of narrow majorities. in the united states senate today, the republican party hasd the narrowest of majorities, and on most legislative measures, it takes 60 votes. that means you need democrats. and democrats, when it comes to a big measure like this, are going to stand by their sacred cows.em they're going to stand by planned parenthood. they're going to try their best to get the daca measure renewed. they're not going to get that, by the way, in this bill, but the president is not going to get his border wall funding either, so there you go. this is what happens with narrow majorities. if the republicans had healthy

majorities in both houses, they would be able to pass a bill that would contain all the priorities you cited and others as well, and the democrats couldn't do a darn thing about it. under these circumstances, however, they can't do that because they don't have the votes. >> tucker: it's clear they can't, but i wonder going into it if maybe there wasn't overpromising. if people's expectations aren't met, if someone promises you a pony for christmas and you get a bag of hair, you never get over it.t. and so why would they promise things that they couldn't deliver? >> in the course of an election campaign, you don't know how the election is going to turn out. you don't know whether you're going to end up with a small majority or a large majority or no majority at all. you come out and you say this is what i'm for, this is what i'm going to be trying to do. of course, that always gets translated into: this is what i will do. believe me, tucker, there are democratic representatives and senators all over this country who went out and promised all kinds of things that they're not going to get either. that's how it is when government is divided like this, very

narrowly. and it's not a pretty sight. it used to be back in the day,iv it's been a long time since i've seen it work this way when there would be a series of funding bills that would be debated and voted on and then the two houses would get together and they would try to resolve their differences, and there was a lot of bipartisan sentiment and everybody would give a little to get a little. in this divided political w atmosphere, the congress is a reflection of the country. we have a very deeply divided nation. and the kind of gridlock that you're seeing, at least of this kind of extravaganza, $1.3 trillion is a result of that. >> tucker: no, that's right. a lot of people don't believe in the system too. so really quickly, you said democrats stand by their sacred cows, the things on which they will not move. what are those for republicans? what are the things they won't compromise on? >> well, one thing the republicans are certainly going to get in this bill is a significant increase in defense spending which they wanted for a long time. they had to swallow some increases in domestic spendingg

they might not have wanted, but they're going to get that. and obviously, they got their tax bill passed and this bill will leave that undisturbed. as of now, of course, tucker, one of the great priorities that has defined the republican party going back a number of cycles has been the desire to get into the entitlement spending andep reduce that, because that is a big driver of these staggering deficits and this massive national debt that we now face. we have a president now who is not for that. without that, you have no momentum behind that. that's fallen by the wayside. there are plenty of republican priorities on this bill, no doubt about it. i can't enumerate them all. and anything this big, they're bound to be. remember this about this bill, tucker, this is subject to the same thing big bills always are. big bills that have to pass, that is to say, a bill that would keep the government open.

people are going to try tols attach whatever they've got to that bill because they know it's going to get passed.o and so you get all kinds of ugly looking ornaments hanging onto these things. most of them get stripped p out, but some of them get through. when this bill is passed, we're going to find out more over a period of time of what's in it, and a lot of it nobody's going to like. >> tucker: some ugly ornaments. we'll tell you what they are. brit, thank you for that. >> okay, tucker. >> tucker: congressman w steve king is in the congress right now. he is republican from a state of iowa, and he joins us tonight. congressman, brit wisely said the two things republicans care about are tax cuts and military spending. that's what they cared about in 1986. those are long-standing priorities, this election set a new agenda i would say. the voters aren't getting any of the things that they thought they were going to get in 2016. why is that? >> i'm disappointed by it too.

it's hard to imagine how we listen to a president campaign for all of those months and lay out a clear message, build a wall, end santuary cities, enforce immigration law, tighten up the law and daca nd it looks like none of that is going to be served up in this bill. >> tucker: whose fault is that? >> part of it is the democrats and then there's the element of the anti-trumpers who want to deny president trump the results of the fruits of his electoral victory. and we've got some people are more establishment than they are conservatives and they really didn't want to say no to illegal immigrants in america. i hear it inside our conference, they'll argue for them and say they came here through no faults of their own and we need to give them a pass and a path to citizenship and that destroys the rule of law. for me, it's always been about restoring the rule of law, not destroying the rule of law.

>> tucker: so planned parenthood does i think about zero mammograms.>> they provide more abortions thao anybody in america and their campaigning for democrats. why should taxpayers give them half a billion dollars a year and why do no republicans ever push back against that?rs >> it's completely and utterly foolish for republicans kind to continue to fund planned parenthood. by the way, several months ago when this issue was before us, i had a democrat who happens to be a member of the congressional black caucus and a pastor, i told him i wanted toe defund planned parenthood and i would draw the line. if it shuts the government down, it shuts the government down. he said he's going to shut the government down if we don't fund planned parenthood and he is a pastor.oo >> tucker: that is obviously grotesque. leaving aside the central question of abortion, if the democratic party gets to take half a billion in taxpayer funds

to pay for its adjunct planned parenthood, our republicans pushing for half a billion for ana? ra national right to work? how does that work? >> there's a certain element a that's afraid of planned parenthood's lobbying capacity. the more funds we put in there, the stronger they can lobby, but you're right. about 350,000 abortions a year are planned parenthood, they do zero mammograms and their drawing down half a billion dollars a year.a i think it was joni ernst who said if we can't defund planned parenthood, shame on us. i would be willing to shut the government down to defund planned parenthood. i can't do it alone. if there is a strong coalition, ii would say no funding. let's find out what the american people want. if they are determined that we should borrow moneyro from china in order to fund abortions in america, then let's find out. >> tucker: it leads let's have a conversation.

congressman king, thanks forg joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: it looks like a six bomb blast may have just hit austin, texas. police are responding to another package explosion.li a building is being evacuated. the overall severity of that blast is not known. we are following this as close as we can. we're bringing the details as we get them. 50 years ago, college students campaigned for free speech, now they say something called diversity is more important than the first amendment. the grandkids... ♪ music >> tech: ...every minute counts. and you don't have time for a cracked windshield. that's why at safelite, we'll show you exactly when we'll be there. with a replacement you can trust. all done sir. >> grandpa: looks great! >> tech: thanks for choosing safelite. >> grandpa: thank you! >> child: bye! >> tech: bye! saving you time...

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the "the new york times" presented it as well, we've covered all the bases, the only breakdown in age, breakdowns in political party, the only ethnic breakdown was black and white americans. did they think we're living in the 1950s? what is striking is, this is,, of course, another problem of immigration. hispanics and asians, overwhelmingly, whether it's thm pew research center, all kinds of surveys done over the years, show that white and black americans overwhelmingly support both free speech and gun rights and you have almost the reverse percentages with immigrants. this idea that people come toou our country and suddenly think, oh, i understand, you have a right to speak even if i disagree with you

doesn't work that way. what you're seeing at places like berkeley, asian students alone are 46%, that's more than black and white americans combined. that's why you're getting the biggest attacks on free speech at places like berkeley. >> tucker: so it's not a left-right thing as much as it is a new arrival versus born here thing, why wouldn't we be doing everything we can to inculcate our beliefs and understandings of our rights and constitution in people who just got here? >> even among 11th generation americans, these people called liberalsls and theyir are as opposed to our fundamental freedoms as the newcomers are. the aclu has been surprisingly staunch on the issue of free speech, losing a lot of their donors, i might add in the face of these recent attacks. but you would think that the

aclu would have an opinion on the importation of people adamantly opposed to the mission statement in their charter. we are looking at the death of america's o fundamental freedom, as he said in your introduction. even england doesn't have freeee speech. for america, but the first american and second amendment as this new generation of non-americans grows up. >> tucker: why are incorporations abetting this? kroger announced they would no longer stock magazines of images with assault weapons, scary looking guns are no longer allowed in photographs and kroger. since when are companies sort of piling on speech restrictions here? >> it's been at least since trump has come along, may be before then,

but i return to my refrain, i don't care what your opinion is on free speech or guns or d anything else, but please stop pretending you're a rebel, please stop pretending you're fighting the man when you are lockstep with corporate america. these new radicals we have, the resistance, they'll check with corporate america, apple and twitter, facebook and their professors to ask if they can wear a "question authority" t-shirt. would that be okay? >> tucker: has there ever been a more obedient little cadre of robots than college students? is anyone brave? is anybody giving the finger tos the man and speaking the truth? where are those people?ny what happened? >> the good news is, i'm following a lot of them on twitter. i get the impression that we are creating, the left is creating without realizing it, this really hilarious and ferocious generation of right-wingers, these college students, their

listening to white privilege all day, every moment of every day, white heterosexual men are emerging from college working at -- barking at the moon this right-wingers. they're fun to follow on twitter. >> tucker: ann coulter, thank you. massive marches against gun rights are planned for this weekend, why isn't anybody marching against the blunders by the state and authorities that enabled the massacre we are commemorating? what's happening right now? we're facing 20 billion security events every day. ddos campaigns, ransomware, malware attacks... actually, we just handled all the priority threats. you did that? we did that. really. we analyzed millions of articles and reports. we can identify threats 50% faster. you can do that?

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because both police ignored warnings about his behavior ando then cowered in fear during the shooting itself. meanwhile, a high school inbo maryland today, potential mass shooting was halted when a armed resource officer confronted a gunman. i understand people have different opinions about the second amendment, how far its protections extend, what gun-control laws work or don't. but you can't look at the massacre that will be commemorated this weekend and come away when not concluding, if you'ree honest, that the problem was the laws in place were not enforced, that someone who was clearly a threat and known to be a threat was ignored, allowed to buy a gun, and that the police on the scene, four of them did nothing to stop the massacre. that'sma all factual and it's being ignored in favor of

attacking the nra. >> i think there are a couple things. i am pro-responsible gun ownership and pro-gun control. one of the things isth the probm is we framed this argument as if those two things can't coexist. as far as nikolas cruz, i think some of the things you were saying are correct. when we talk about the great mills situation, someone who by all accounts was a good kid, had no problems, respectful, and honor student. gun.ad access to a that becomes the big problem. >> tucker: there are millions of students who meet that description of access to guns who don't hurt anybody. in the case of nikolas cruz. >> should millions of young children -- >> tucker: they have access and there are millions of american homes where people safely keep firearms for protection. there are lots of kids -- , i m, kids hunt in rural america, lots

of them. in some places they bring their rifles to school during deer season. i they don't hurt anybody. it's been going on for generations. that's the truth of it. you have someone with demonstrable mental illness who should not have legally been allowed to buy a gun that was because the authorities ignored it. if you really care about stopping school shootings, why are we ignoring that? i'm really honestly confused. >> i understand what you're saying, i think one of the issues is the fact that he was 19 years old and was able to buy a pistol. i think that's a problem. >> tucker: okay, but again. he wasn't legally allowed to buy any gun because he was mentally ill and known to be mentally ill. he was the subject of scores of police complaints -- >> we are not going to disagree here on nikolas cruz. >> tucker: this is an actual massacre in which 17 people died. nobody on the left is saying anything. they're protecting the people who failed by not calling them on their failures. in favor of making statements

about the nra which was not involved in this massacre. >> what they're trying to do is cover all bases. i've heardal people say that the was wrong on the part of law enforcement, the people should'ven picked this up earlir with nikolas cruz. but like i said with rollins today, he was not somebody that the fbi or law enforcement could have picked up on. >> tucker: we don't know that. we didn't know about nikolas cruz because -- >> neighbors have said. >> tucker: i am saying this guy killed 17 people. this is a question i want to ask the organizers of the march that they were too cowardly to come on. what law are weak calling for? >> they are calling for an end to bump stocks, arrays in age limit. we have a kid who's 18 or 19. >> tucker: calling for an end to bump stocks.

>> i haven't finished. we have kids who are not mature enough to take a drink of alcohol, but we're willing to give them a deadly weapon. t >> tucker: do you reallyal believe that to ban bump stocks and raise the age to 21, do you think we would end school shootings? >> i think we would limit some of those. i believe that. >> tucker: is there evidence of. that or is it a gas? >> we look at nikolas cruz. >> tucker: he was not allowed to buy a gun but because the authorities didn't want to add to the sum total -- >> if he were 21, he probably know -- he wouldn't have been able to get into that school. >> tucker: he wasn't allowed to buy a gun in the first place under existing law, but the people in charge didn't feel like enforcing it. >> again, we are not disagreeing. >> tucker: it would have already been stopped. > since you want to talk abot

bump stocks, aas lot of people n las vegas, a lot of people would have still g been alive and maye things could have happened differently. >> tucker: bump stock makes it impossible to hit anything. we don't know what percentage of people were killed. it's a ridiculous device that makes the gun impossible to control. >> he wasn't sniping people. he was going and shooting -- >> tucker: i am worried we are not really addressing the real issues, do not i mean? >> i think there are some issues that you are correct that we need to do a better job of enforcing, but we also look at gun violence generally, we can look at somewhere like alaska which has the highest rate of gun violence, gun deaths per capita and you don't need a permit to buy weapons. >> tucker: it has nothing to do without. your stats are wrong. it is suicide that is alaska's problem. >> tucker: that's an issue as well. >> tucker: nothing to do with

guns. >> louisiana, mississippi. >> tucker: great to see you, thanks. nikolas cruz is not the only failure of the fbi recently, here's a shocking one. in 2015, the fbi encouraged -- there's been another explosion in austin. at least one person injured en route to the hospital at this hour. reports of another suspicious package, perhaps an explosion in an apartment block in austin. we will give you the details of all of that breaking news when we come back. whoooo.

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>> tucker: this is a fox news >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. a sixth bomb blast appears to have hit austin, texas. police and firefighters are responding right now to a reported package explosion in

the south part of the city. at least one person reportedly is hurt.acso we'll supply further details, obviously, the second they come in. austin police have shut down a city street in another part of town over suspicious package. apparently it's in an apartment building. what do we know about the explosives that have been used in this bomb? how were they made and what do they look like? johnny joey jones is an explosives expert. he was wounded in afghanistan, and he joins us tonight. joey, thanks for coming on. so from what we know publicly about these bombs, what does it add up to, from what you canub tell? >> it's really hard right now. i think the candor that the police are showing and asking the public for information is very genuine and very telling. i stay very connected to the bomb tech community, and i can tell you now there's not a lot of information out there, so the police are keeping whatever they have pretty tight-lipped. t take the one tripwire oror clothesline or whatever you call it aside, everything else is consistent in the sense thatr it's put into a package and either placed or shipped now.

so that's the one consistent thing other than the area that we have to go on. there isn't enough information on the type of explosive or how they're wired up and set off for us to make any kind of assumption or presumption on where they're coming from. i can see certain circuits and say, okay, inspire magazine.he iraq, afghanistan, taliban, isis or i can see a pipe bomb and think, okay, domestic homegrown. right now, we are not getting enough of that information to know. >> tucker: we've heard the bombs as increasingly sophisticated, and that was particularly applied to the bomb detonated with a tripwire. without giving anything away, but give us some perspective. is that a sophisticated device?a a bomb that's ignited with a tripwire? >> no, that's actually reallyy simple. and i can tell you that if you can think of a clothesline with your clothespin with your positive and negative on the top and bottom and put a piece of rubber or wood in between it,

then run a wire from that piece of rubber or wood, you trip over that, and that spring pulls it down. it's really, really simple. but the point being, what we are seeing today with someone shipping a package, that takes away a lot of those presumptions that i had 24 hours ago. everything i've heard up until last night seemed like pretty simple mechanical engineering. you can use a washing machine timer to create standoffs so you can get away. really simple and what we would call surefire techniques. but to put something in the mail, to have it thrown around, put in a truck, thrown on a conveyor belt before it goes off, that suggests something much more sophisticated and quite honestly, much scarier. >> tucker: interesting. does it suggest a different kinds of explosives? >> no. there's two types of science, there is the chemistry in the explosive. that can be binary like aluminum power and another ingredient i won't say, but you can get it in tannerite, or it can be very chemistry intensive, like tatp

and other types of explosives,s, so that's one part of the science. and the other part is electric circuitry or mechanical circuitry, and those two are very different but can seem the same way. for example, the first bomb they said that when the lady opened it, it exploded. that could be something really simple like two wires in a hookt pattern that just comes together when you open it or it can be something really complex like a photocell that allows the current to go through when light hits it. so there's a rudimentary way for those bombs, with something put into the mail and shippeda around, you kind of have to believe it's a little bit more sophisticated than that, and that's concerning. but it doesn't say much to the chemistry of the explosive at all. >> tucker: so if you were to see the explosive device, would signatures be obvious to you? do certain groups build certain kinds of bombs, is that correct? >> to an extent. we saw very different bombs in iraq and afghanistan. if you think about it, in iraq, there's a certain amount of infrastructure and they can do things a little trickier. use cell phones, use ir sensors,

but it's like the game mousetrap. the more you add to it,e the more will go wrong. when we moved over to afghanistan in 2009 where i worked dozens if not hundreds of ieds, over there, it's real simple. it's like your loop circuit on your flashlight except instead of a bulb, you've got a bomb. it's a little bit easier to defeat once you find it, but it's also a lot more reliable. so those were the two types of bombs we saw in iraq and afghanistan. bring it home, a lot of what we see here are pipe bombs which actually have a powder train time fuse, means you light it and it burns until it blows up like wile e. coyote. what we are seeing here today are electronically initiated, which is a lot harder to accomplish. and there's one specific part and piece i won't talk about too much that's really hard to make it home or hard to get a hold of. everything else is very common. >> tucker: so those are two completely different categories. so that will tell us a lot.. joe, thank you for that. that was really interesting. when we come back, we have the latest on what appears to be the

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it. uc really heavy police activity and in the area right now. we've got us pushed back prettyf far because clearly it's a fluid and dangerous situation, they want to keep everyone, including the public, who is gathering to take pictures and see all of this for themselves, they want to keep them safe. we know it was at a goodwill, whether it was inside, outside, that is unclear at this point. we know it was a goodwill because when the dispatch call went out, we matched the address and my producer was able to contacten goodwill locally and e woman was very upset on the phone, saying that it was one of their workers. so one person injured. it is not life-threatening. that is the latest here as police are now dealing with asics bombing tonight in texas, the capital city. >> sean: shocking. thank you for that. that's about it for tonight. it's been a terrifying night in austin, texas, during this broadcast, every hour could

bring another bomb blast. the victims recovered, working with 300 federal agents to correct the case. obviously, we'll endlessly cover every development in this breaking story. good night from washington. breaking news continues next onu "hannity" ." >> sean: thanks. this is a fox news alert. austin on edge again this hour. we start with breaking news tonight. by the way, my monologue will be coming up later in the show. austin, texas, on high alert yet again after police are responding to what is now a sixth explosion that has left one person injured again. this explosion comes after authorities earlier this evening confirmed that two package bombs today at fedex facilities in austin and near san antonio are linked to four other attacks that have taken place this t month. theses attacks have prompted a massive federal and state manhunt to find who authorities are describing as a serial polymer. d joining us on the ground in austin, texa