he will be spoiled tonight. he won't even know. that is the story for tonight. thank you very much for being with us, everybody. have a fantastic weekend. tucker carlson in d.c. coming up next. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." tomorrow is the march for our lives and designed to lobby for new gun control legislation across the country. the event is backed by wealthy and powerful people, billionaire michael bloomberg, former mayor of new york, new york governor andrew cuomo and many others. some of what they are calling for is unconstitutional and irrational. it cannot work. it won't work, and that's why it's not already the law. it's not just nra lobbying, it's common sense. the organizers would rather not get into all those details and they certainly don't want to have all those debates. that's why they are hiding behind the victims of the latest horrific school

shooting. the kids are front and center by design. handful of teens from stoneman douglas high school in florida. they have the right to their views, obviously. this is a given. this is one of the rare shows that support the rights of people we disagree with to talk. but the rest of us also have rights including the right to assess what they are saying and decide whether or not weather it ought to become law to which we are subject. these are not religious figures. we nor not the faithful. we are all citizens here. let's take a look at what they are saying and decide if it's a good idea or not. for example, here is david hogg. you may have seen him on television. trodded out by the media as a gun expert. here is his take. >> the way rick scott has been talking about it when the shooter arrives we need metal detector. >> when i get elected to the senate we are not going to let that happen. continual to sell more guns and murder more children and get reelected. what type of person are you? when you want to see [bleep] than children's lives. what type of [bleep] does

that? >> we have to use our white privilege now to make sure all of the voices that i -- all of the people that have died as a result of this and haven't been covered the same can now be heard. >> tucker: morsell more guns and murder more children and get reelected that is david hogg's view. another celebrated survivor the shooting basically agrees with that she recently said in a speech, quote, i don't really care what people who defend the second amendment have to say. take this seriously. we should take it seriously because it is serious. if you honest li don't care if the people disagree with you think if you think they want to quote murder more children, then who are you? you are angry. definitely not fit to be making policy for the rest of us. you are by definition an extremist. you should not have power if you really believe anyone who disagrees with you is evil and wants to kill the innocent. maybe a journalist could point that out, but, no, journalists agree with gonzalez and david hogg so they have slapped them on the cover of "time" magazine and declared they're heroes and you are not allowed to disagree with them.

here is more david hogg from earlier today that the bill of rights matters when it comes to what can he wear to school. watch. >> after we come back from spring break they were crying all of to us have clear back packs. it's unnecessary and embarrassing for a lot of students and makes them feel isolated and separated from the rest of american school culture where they are having their first amendment rights infringed upon because they can't freely wear whatever backpack they want. >> tucker: so control your backpack abridges the first amendment right because first amendment applies to backpack but second amendment does not apply to firearms. how does that work exactly? wait, you say why are you picking on david hogg, is he only indicated. he shouldn't be held to adult standards of thinking or expected to think critically about the consequences he espouses. yeah, exactly. is he a kid. he has just been through unspeakable tragedy. that's why adults shouldn't be using him or his friends to push the agenda to the rest of us. co-founder of guns down. gun control group and he joins us now. this is the problem that i

have if you sincerely believe that people who disagree with you want to kill children, then you shouldn't be involved in making policy because that's exactly what we don't need more of, it seems to me. why is he being pushed to the front of this movement? >> well, look, i think you ought to cut the kid a little bit of slack he was at school when 176 his friends were killed at school the other day. not everything he says should be taken as gospel from the gun violence prevention community about what we ought to be doing about guns. >> tucker: i just concede that in my script. i agree with that this is a kid who saw unspeakable tragedy, that's exactly why he shouldn't be involved in formulating a response to it. he is a kid. you can't simultaneously argue that you need to shut up and listen to him and if you don't you are bad which is what the left is arguing and we shouldn't take what he says seriously or literally. you have to choose one. i'm happy to choose the first one. >> i think these kids are doing what citizens ought to do. they had a terrible experience and trying to do something about it basically

what they're saying is the same thing that 70% of the public is out there saying which is what we are doing with guns right now isn't working. we ought to have stricter gun laws. now let's have a conversation about what those gun laws should look like. >> tucker: you don't see what the left is doing is short circuiting honest conversations. i, for example, have tried every night since that shooting almost every single night to get a leader of a gun control on here. no one else comes. you are the only one will come. no one wants to have the debate. instead they throw david hogg in your face and say be quiet and allow david hogg to uninterrupted impugn the character of anyone who disagrees with him. that's general assembly demagoguery. not how adults behave. >> not fair to pull one comment out of one interview. >> tucker: i will pull another one. here is an idea. again, i'm being forced to take this seriously. i would be very happy to take poor david hogg, his friends got killed. is he upset. i would be upset. the left is forcing me to pay attention to what he says. could become the law i have to abide by.

for instance, this is a manifesto from parkland kid. there ought to be a database of which guns are sold in the united states. that ought to be paired to the status of the owner's mental health. privacy laws should be amended. so they're saying, this march is saying that hippa laws should be suspended and the u.s. government ought to keep your medical records. the public doesn't support that nobody supports that. >> i don't know quite what that is talking about. >> tucker: do you want me to read it to you again to do so privacy laws should be amended that a database of alofguns sold in the united states ought to be paired with a database of the gun owner's mental health and physical capability. >> i think what he is probably saying if you were actually found to be mentally unstable by a judge that that ought to be relevant to buy a gun. >> tucker: that's already the laud as you know. if you are adjudicated mentally ill it's on the form and in the fbi background check. i have purchased guns and filled it out so has everyone has done it in this country. that already exists. look, i agree that there

needs to be stricter standard that keeps people from getting guns. i totally agree to act as this march does to overcome the nra easy we can fix it is a lie. it's a total lie. this is complicated stuff. >> if you take a look and i have only taken a little bit look at their manifesto. lists 10 or 15 things we ought to be doing. it's not just one thing. that's a fact. there is no one legal change that's going to stop mass shootings from happening tomorrow or stop 100 people from being killed at the barrel of a gun every day in this country. there is a lot of things that we could be doing differently and i think you have to concede what we're doing right now isn't working. >> tucker: true. and i'm just very concerned that all this energy and the money from all these various billionaires is not making it better, it's focused instead on taking the rights away of people who didn't do anything wrong like me and awful middle america of whom they hate obviously and no emphasis on for example the four cops with guns who stood by while 17 people were murdered. why are they never mentioned?

i'm a little confused. talking about a failure of authorities. where are their names here? >> look, i have heard them talked about plenty. >> tucker: really? >> they all did the wrong thing. yeah, the last time on fox news talked about that. >> tucker: it's a serious thing. the nra didn't shoot anybody. you probably don't like the nra. they are almost overwhelming law abiding people. they have didn't shoot a single person. these police officers, deputies stood by and allow thud murder to take place. and, yet, they are getting a complete pass, why? >> look, i don't know whether they're getting a pass or not. that's up to the people of florida. i hope those people aren't police deputies anymore. >> tucker: no, no. it's up to the people running the march to set the emphasis here. something terrible just happened there are a lot of lessons from it. that lesson has been bury you had intentionally because it doesn't entail taking away the second amendment rights of the innocent. >> yeah, i think what they are saying is these mass shootings keep happening. people keep getting shot every day that shouldn't be shot and have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. what we are doing right now isn't working. here is a list of 10 or 15

things that we are going to advocate we think should major a difference. there is going to be hundreds of thousands of people on the mall many of whom aren't students who said disagree with. think what you do isn't working. >> tucker: should we and do we as people who seek to influence public policy have an obligation to think through what we advocate for to learn about it? >> sure. >> tucker: consult the reams of social science that has been conducted on this subject before we advocate for something or is it enough to say i'm upset, do something. >> look, i think there is nothing unusual in a lot of things that are right about students who had a horrible experience who believe that we should be doing things differently coming to washington and leading a bunch of other like-minded people like 70% of the public who think we should do it differently. >> tucker: kid not athrough disagree advocating for murder. that's an awful thing to say. why aren't you? he is doing a dozen interviews a day. and nobody has the courage to say son, i'm sorry, i know you are upset. but you are not allowed to

accuse people of wanting to kill children unless can you prove it. >> i think he was mad at the governor of his state for not doing enough. you know what? governor rick scott didn't do enough. although i have to say i'm dinsd of a fan of rick scott he never met a gun or nra extremist he didn't like. even he bucked the nra because what they don't want us to do is so ridiculous. >> tucker: i think rick scott is a buffoon. that's my view. i do think that but it doesn't make me any less appalled by the kill and i hope that you and everyone else who seeks to reduce the power of the second amendment would at least acknowledge that i care as much about kids as anybody else does. do you see what i'm saying? >> sure. i absolutely belief that when congress actually agrees to have a debate about, this they will go to their committees, they will go to the floor and have a reasoned debate where they talk about the social science evidence. >> tucker: i hope. so and i hope it won't be dismissed as nra lobbing. these are real questions. >> agreed. >> tucker: thank you, mark, i appreciate it? >> thank you. >> tucker: you are the only

one who comes on. the media have had a lot of fun pushing unproved claims between trump and russia, okay. now, here is another angle you may not have seen, claims the nra has been penetrated by the russians somehow as well. kim strassel is on the "wall street journal" editorial board and she joins us tonight. i almost can't keep up with the various things the left doesn't like claim penetrated by russia. unpack this glut conspiracy theory for us if you would. >> what's important for this one, tucker, it's by the very same people that brought us the dossier claims as well. you remember the clinton campaign hires this fusion gps to commission the dossier. it comes up with these fantastical dossier claims. and what's it do? it goes to the fbi in order to give them some legitimacy. even though nothing in it has been corroborated. nothing has been proved. once the fbi said it was doing an investigation, then everyone took it seriously. so now what we have is same

people, fusion gps that have been peddling to the house intelligence community and others their argument glenn simpson the head of fusion gps. that the nra has quote been infiltrated by the russians. their top leadership and russians have been filtering money through the nra and did during 2016 to help trump he has no evidence for this. we see the media running after it and suddenly lots of stories of his claim without a shred of evidence. >> tucker: there are very smart people on the left and some of them who are self-aware. has anyone said maybe this is mass hysteria. if everything we don't like, every popular movement we disagree with if our instinct is to blame unseen saboteurs from russia, maybe we are crazy. has anybody said that? >> nope, not that i have heard of. as you know and i know there is such an interest on russia somehow connecting it to the trump campaign suggesting there are

nefarious things happening around every corner in is very concerning. there is not one jot of evidence to this, all right? >> tucker: right. >> glenn simpson said this in testimony. he mentioned some random russian names. he could provide no evidence of money transfers, any persons named in the nra who supposedly took it yet, you have newspaper outlets like mcclatchey who continued to run newspaper articles giving treated dense to this. it has platly denied it. anyone involved with this has flatly denied it apparently all you have to do these days is come up with a conspiracy, have house democrats give it credence and then suddenly it's legitimate. >> tucker: our leaders are out of control. emotionally they are out of control. they are children. it's scary, actually. it's having a big effect. kim, thank you for explaining that to us. i appreciate your sober voice in a middle of a non-sober time. >> thank you. >> tucker: dan bongino is a former secret service agent and know as lot about firearms answered joins us tonight.

dan, it's good to see you. so you hesitate even to do a segment like this or a show like this because so strong is the social sanction against anybody who asks sober questions about what these kids are calling for. but, is there anything, given that, that you have heard this march advocate for that you think sincerely would reduce school shootings or gun violence? >> no. tucker, and i'm being candid are you, i haven't. i have not heard that i know from my experience in law enforcement that criminals don't give rat's behind about gun laws. they just don't care. as a matter of fact, gun laws are one of the few laws that put a perimeter around the fence of law abiding people. but do nothing to put a perimeter around the behavior of the non-law abiding, the criminal, because they just don't care. they get the gun on the street. and i think we saw in maryland, recently, the only thing that's going to stop a person committed with evil in his heart to doing chaos death and destruction is a good guy, in fact, trained

with a firearm. >> tucker: so there are going to be lot of well-known powerful affluent people at tomorrow's march on morally on display like peacocks. if they really believe that guns are the problem, i wonder how many of them will bring armed body guards with them and shouldn't a prerequisite of this diversification be if you are going to live by gun control they live by those standards why don't they, i wonder? >> tucker, we are not involved in a war of facts and data and reasoned arguments anymore. we are involved right now knee deep in gas lighting. gas lighting is what the media has been doing to us in conjunction with liberal buddies and acolytes for a long time. the idea if you repeat a lie often enough. and repeat it confidently and isolate people from the truth, that that lie will, in fact, become an alternate reality. we saw it with the trump collusion that nobody can produce a scintilla of evidence. tucker, i guarantee you if you were to take a poll of americans, especially liberals, probably 50% or more think it actually happened. the same thing goes for the narrative that the media want to propagate now.

the media is guns are bad, guns are the sole problem. the human being in the evil in the human heart that's existed for as long as i have been around is a nonissue. let's not focus on that. whatever they have to do to isolate you from the truth, simple facts like gun ownership has gone up in the united states. gun violence has gone down. that's just a simple way to do a simple correlation and that's left out of the argument entirely because it doesn't fit the media's preexisting world view. >> tucker: what would happen if these people, the left, right now in their current state of mind, if they took power, if they had the white house in poet chambers of the congress? >> tucker, it's pretty terrifying. i mean, i have to be candid with you. they don't really stand for anything, the left, other than the acquisition of power. i mean, they can't even stick with a coherent narrative. you know, i was chatting with someone earlier and they said you know it's fascinating how they put so much credence in these kids marching tomorrow. thank god they are out doing

it i celebrate your big all right to assemble and free speech. same victims of crime who are victims of terror, the angel parents who have lost kids to illegal immigrants, do you notice how the media seems to sideline their voice. they can't stay consistent on the narrative. these people frighten me because tucker they have no load star. whether you have no principles guiding you and nothing is objective and everything is subjective that gets rough. the whole idea of the bill of rights was prevent that. >> tucker: do you think the rest of us make a mistake by acting as if this is a rational debate that we can win people over and here are the facts and i have thought a lot about this and here is my position on it maybe we are talking to people who literally don't care what we say or what the facts are or what conclusion reason leads us to. they just want power and like they're not really interested in debating. do you ever think that? >> they are not interested in debating, tucker. go back and youtube liberal comments on an issue, and

they have taken opposite positions on the same issue in an effort to get votes to go ahead away and minimize the individual and empower themselves later. dangerous stuff. >> tucker: i spent my whole life doing. this i hope it adds up to something. i hope that someone could be won over. it's not just. >> me, too brother. >> tucker: not just blowing in the wind. dan, thank you. >> yes, sir. >> tucker: conquer just reached a deal on the budget. the president signed it what's it look like? what's inside those thousands of pages and how will it effect you? we took a look. we will tell you. ♪ ♪ nick was born to move. not necessarily after 3 toddlers with boundless energy. but lower back pain won't stop him from keeping up. because at a dr. scholl's kiosk he got a recommendation for our best custom fit orthotic to relieve his foot, knee, or lower back pain, from being on his feet. by reducing shock and stress on his body with every step.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: congress has passed and the president has just signed today a spending bill that will keep the government open and funded through next september. trace gallagher has been following this story from the very beginning. he has got the latest. hey, trace. >> hey, tucker, the big ticket items are one, the military. $700 billion goes for defense spending, which is 61 billion higher than last year. and the biggest defense boost in 15 years, which is why after threatening a veto the president ended up signing the bill. then there is 591 billion for domestic programs, including money for road building and water projects, along with nsa, the fbi and the irs. and 5 billion to battle opioid abuse up from 2 billion last year. there is also $4 million for anti-harassment training for lawmakers and congressional aides. president trump wanted it 25 billion to build the border wall. he got 1.6 billion. there is 380 million to

improve election security. and much to the dismay of conservatives, the bill also continues federal funding of planned parenthood. and if you missed it, g.o.p. senator rand paul was on a twitter tear, tweeting things like the shear size of the bill and that it funds, quote: 12 million for scholarships for lebanon. 12 million for middle east partnership initiative scholarship programs. 12 million in military funding for vietnam. 3.5 million for nutrition assistance to louis. to -- laos and 15 million in developmental assistance to china and 15 million to women in afghanistan. that is your budget roundup for this friday. tucker? >> tucker: thanks, trace. president trump criticized today's budget bill even as he signed it the bill is suboccipital tim mall as he suggested. certainly expensive. the legislation will trigger a trillion-dollar deficit or come very close to that. that's great news here in d.c. by the way. the range recovery

dealership outside of washington is probably packed even now at this hour as lobbyists and contractors reward themselves for a job well done. they got a massive raise. it's party time in d.c. there is an awful lot of pork in this thing. given the cost you would think at the very least the bill would fund the critical needs of our country. does it do that? not even close. the legislation signed today is pretty much the opposite of what america voted for in 2016. the bill actively restricts the hiring of additional ice agents for immigration enforcement. it caps the number of illegals ice can contain at any one time. allocates 1.6 billion for border security. you may have heard that. what you may not know is that money is explicitly prohibited from being spent on any kind of border wall. the wall that voters asked for in the last election. republicans may have found extra wall money by, i don't know, cutting funds to sanctuary cities that are actively undermining federal law, but they didn't do that sanctuary city also continue to be subsidized just as

they always have been. and so by the way will the abortion enthusiasts at planned parenthood. republicans repeatedly promised to defund planned parenthood, remember? but they are not. they are awarding planned parenthood another half a billion dollars in tax dollars. in other words, nothing has changed. it's just gotten a lot worse. the message to the rest of you was could not be clearer, congress does not care about the territorial integrity of the country it runs. both major parties are committed to make sure we never have meaningful borders of any kind. anyone who manages to get here will get a job, welfare, education, forever. meanwhile, middle america continues to die. those are congress' priorities. in fairness the border does pay for border security just not here in america, jordan, lebanon, egypt, to your knowledge shah, thetunisia toger their problems.

congratulations. also is a 10-million-dollar chuck to hire female law enforcement in afghanistan. 10 million for disadvantaged students in egypt. not egypt maine, egypt the country. 12 million to boost the military capacity of vietnam and how about china? our greatest geopolitical and economic o'reilly in the bill gives the chinese 15 million in development aid some of which will go to promoting yak herding in tibet. on top of all of that congress gave itself a pay race needless to say. we would love to have a republican member of congress on to explain why exactly we are sending money to china which is rapidly overtaking us economically. but somehow we can't find any money to secure american borders. and we asked. we asked more than a dozen members of congress to come on the show tonight. they all refused. and, of course, you can see why. but, here is an idea. any member of congress who supports sending tax dollars to china ought to resign from congress tonight and give up his pension. that's a bee trail of our country. if only we knew who put that in the bill, it's a secret,

of course, members of congress may not protect you, but they definitely protect each other. we do know that paul ryan signed off on that, of course he did. we are told we need this bill because of national security. but how secure is a nation that has no borders? well, about as secure as a political party that has no rationale for existing. that treats its own voters like dupes and fools ignores election rules like they didn't happen. parties like that don't last long and they shouldn't. well, there is mass panic in washington about the power of tech companies to sway elections. but it's not cambridge analytica in 2000 167 we ought to be worried about, it's google and facebook in the next election. they could make all the difference. we will tell you how. stay tuned. theratears® unique electrolyte formula, corrects the salt imbalance that causes dry eye. so your eyes will thank you.

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it doesn't agree with across the country and everyone is afraid to say so except for him. he joins us tonight. congressman, thanks for coming on. tell us about your experience with the splc. >> sure. so southern poverty law center is now one of these trusted partnerships with google and youtube flagging videos that are hate speech. look, in 2013 which i was in congress did i an interview with a blogger who interpreted my interview, saying that we need checks and balances on the executive branch as that i wanted to suddenly impeach president obama. well, sure enough with the way the viral news travels, no journalist from even incredible news organizations called me. they circulated this story that i wanted to impeach president obama which i never ever said. sure enough, i never received a call from the southern poverty law center, a few months later who put me on their list of haters and extremists. now, what i amin am about to say i don't say to toot my own horn. i'm try lingual. i love culture.

i love people and i love to learn. i have done everything can i to inject myself in foreign cultures to absorb as much as i can and of course i have always loved politics and foreign policy. they put me on a list with a guy who wept into a sikh temple in wisks, sho wisconsin t it up and killed six people and a whole list of neo nazis. >> tucker: and this was -- not that i doubt it i just want to make sure i have it precisely simply because they believed you called for obama's impeachment. >> that's correct. >> tucker: people can agree or disagree that's not the same as hate speech. i mean, people call for impeachment all the time. >> at all. >> tucker: right. >> at all. you are exactly right. it's a process, right? and if we remove our emotion from it is what it is whether you are a democrat or a republican. i never even called for his impeachment but i was placed on that list. and they tried to essentially discredit and destroy me. the other person on that list was senator rand paul.

senator rand paul who has been vocal opponent on the war on drugs how hurtful it is to minority communities around the united states. because we have an r by our names we have been discredited and called haters. look, tucker, i would even go to president donald trump before president donald trump was president, you had this whole narrative has changed on him. he at one time was beloved by hip hop stars who wanted their picture by him and sang about him. democrats gladly took his money from him. as soon as he becomes a republican candidate for president of the united states, suddenly sea is i sage nist, bigoted hater. if republicans had a lesbian gay transgender or gender fluid multiracial candidate that was attempting to get into the white house today, that person, too would be called bigoted miso misogynistic and hateful. >> tucker: i think we are too literal. anybody who gets in the way of acquiring power must be destroyed. thank you for reminding us.

>> good to be with you, tucker. >> tucker: military pilots keep encountering aircraft that do things they can't explain that seem to defy the basic laws of physics. it happens at lot. the pentagon knows but they are not interested in investigating it why is that? we are going to talk with someone who was at the center of this story at the pentagon next. ♪ ♪ big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. tell your doctor if these occur. otezla is associated with an increased

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>> tucker: over and over and over again, u.s. military pilots have sighted very close range aircraft whose appearance and behavior they cannot explain. science itself the laws of physics can not explain. now, it almost doesn't matter what this is, it

doesn't have to be extra terrestrial to be a real concern to u.s. national security. some are concerned. but as an organization, the pentagon doesn't seem to be interested in investigating, why not is the question? christopher melon is the national security affairs advisor for the to the stars academy of arts and science. sea former deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence and he joins us tonight. mr. melon, thanks for coming on. >> my pleasure, tucker, thank you. >> tucker: i want to make sure i am not overstated that military have seen objects, aircraft doing things that aircraft we didn't think were able to do and they have taken video of that. is that true? that's true although that's only part of the evidence. what's compelling about the evidence is we have our finest military personnel and most sophisticated sensors all corroborating the information on multiple

platforms. some of these platforms are the platforms we would use to defend the united states from a ballistic missile attack from, say, north korea. if those systems are malfunctioning in some way, finding that out alone would be a huge benefit. i don't think that's the case. there is no evidence of that. let me tell you a brief story that may add some color and make this a little bit more palpable. after my op-ed appeared with the video, i got a call from an individual retired from the defense department and had worked on these issues i asked him i said do you have any context for that video? do you have any details? he told me that was one of two videos that came into the pentagon from the commanders of a carrier battle group. and these are his words. he described it as a plea for help, end quote. >> tucker: that's terrifying. i mean, these are aircraft unidentified that are operating in very close proximity to the u.s. military, to ships and

planes. we can assume it's not american or they wouldn't be that close. can we assume it's aircraft from a foreign country? do we have a working theory on this? what does the pentagon think about this. >> we don't have a working theory. and the most fundamental problem self-inflicted problem and fairly easy problem to correct. one of the reasons i wanted to write the article is because we have on the one hand something of immense almost incalculable strategic importance. something that raises fundamental questions about the viability of our air defenses, aircraft. many of these incidents have occurred in recent years you within minutes of flying distance of the capitol region. so we have a very real and compelling body of evidence. on the other hand, we know that many of the problems could be easily solved if someone would just step

forward. so what i'm talking about here is, to provide an analogy that people may be able to relate to more readily than the complex dod bureaucracy, the bombings recently in austin, texas, imagine one of these times bombs went off you had a different police department were responding and nope of these people were talking to each other and nobody was in charged. those bombings would probably still be going on. that's what's happening today, different departments, services, the fbi, people are gaining information. they are not sharing it, which is very reminiscent, unfortunately of what happened before 9/11. >> tucker: give us in the 50 seconds we have left, give us a sense of the scale here. you say these things are happening over the past 20 years, how many roughly would you say credible sightings there are been by the u.s. military? >> yeah. it's hard to say over the last 20 years. and there's a difference. one of the differences is that we are deploying much more capable sensors that provide a higher degree of

fidelity. whereas 15 years ago we might get reports in i saw a bright light out there. now we are getting reports from cruiser that says this thing came down from 80,000 feet, descended to 20,000 feet, dropped to 50 feet and hovered. then maneuvered toward the carrier and then pilot independently seeing and confirming. >> tucker: unbelievable. we are out of time. i hope this tape goes everywhere. thank you for your bravery. good to see you. we'll be right back. ♪ in the modern world, it pays to switch things up.

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tuck tongue we told you last night how cnn jeff zucker pedals air time around the world. use the cnn brand to brain wash and control their populations. despite with a zucker may claim, that does not qualify as news coverage. it certainly is not journalism it's state controlled propaganda. and jeff zucker is getting rich from it. in turkey, for example, the turkish government uses cnn to spread islamist and anti-american disinformation throughout that highly volatile region. jeff zucker knows this is happening. zucker's business partner in the turkish deal is a man described turkish dictator as, quote: his boss. the turkish regime gets a lot for the money it pays. five years ago the turkish secret police attacked a demonstration of environmental activists in downtown isz stan bull. thousands were brutalized. several were killed. the turkish government want

wanted the entire story suppressed and they complied. they aired documentary on penguins instead. human rights activists around the world begged cnn to stop acting as paid shill for the erdogan. they refused. the distortion continued. much of cnn's news coverage in turkey could have been written by erdogan himself. cnn turk described one group as tastes. that's erdogan's position. cnn turk suggested with no evidence at all that the cia was involved in a recent coupe attempt in turkey that's erdogan's claim also and so on. cnn is mouth piece state run media. in the united states zucker is treated the head of a reliable third place cable channel. is he more than that jeff zucker serves as pro propagandist for the islamist government of turkey othersing you who shill for foreign dictatorships. he is has never register with the u.s. government.

paul manafort got in deep trouble for not registering and by the cnn cnn has gone after general flynn for his ties to turkey oh, the iron anymore. meanwhile, in this country, cnn's propaganda effort continue unabated in airport departure lounges. about 60 airports in the u.s. bombard powerless travelers with cnn and only cnn. there are no options. cnn has involuntary monopoly. you may have noticed there is no way to turn it off. how did that happen? well, turns out cnn pays airports for the captive audience. that might have made sense decades ago when cnn was a legitimate news source but that was a long time ago. thankfully this may be changing. travelers are beginning to complain about cnn in airports. airports are beginning to respond to that. freedom may soon be coming to a gate near you. not a minute too soon. by the way, we have reached out to cnn for comment on all of this and once again they have declined. that's been it for us tonight. tune in every night at 8:00

p.m. to the show that's the sworn enemy of lying pomposity smugness and group think and for choice for airport departure leo yassenoff foundation. thanks for a great week. have a great weekend. good night from washington. hannity is next. ♪ >> sean: welcome to special edition of hannity. tonight we will expose how journalism in america is absolutely dead. news and facts just no longer matter. they are now being replaced by endless cycle of fake news, liberal propaganda and lies. and right now there is no separation between what is supposed to be an unbiased press and the democratic party. they are one in the same. now, the perfect example comes from liberal fake news, cnn, the professional trump haters that found a new fix. it's their new sick and twisted obsession and here's a hint. it has nothing to do with russia. also coming up tonight, after a year plus