>> we will see if they can filled a theme park this summer with kids. >> i'm sure they will. thanks for joining us. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> sandra: president trump leading the way, telling 60 russian diplomats that the administration is calling the most aggressive move yet in response to the poisoning of a kremlin spy in the u.k. almost a dozen european states are following suit in a coordinated effort to punish russia and the russian saying they are considering a response. i'm sandra smith, here today, harris faulkner, republican strategist and fox news contributor lisa boothe. former deputy spokesperson for the state department, marie harf and joining us on the couch today, fox news contributor and coauthor of "let trump be trump" david bossi is here and he is

"outnumbered" ." >> harris: never before have we seen that more applicable, i can't wait to get your take. >> david: i'm feeling outnumbered. let's get started. >> sandra: the explosion of dozens alleged russian intelligence officers. 12 were working at the united nations in new york city. a russian consulate in seattle was close, administration saying it was troubled by its proximity to u.s. submarine space. they said the russians have seven days. the move in response to an unnerving attack on a former russian spy and his daughter. now more than a dozen other european states are doing the same and saying additional measures may be you have to com come.

hogan gidley was asked about the president's plans for the russian diplomats earlier today. >> the president has been very clear that we will impose costs on russia when it is in our interest to do so. the president has not weakened any positions that barack obama has had on russia and in fact he has gone further. we authorized the bombing in syria which was something barack obama never did or would do. this president knows what's right on the international stage and how to deal with russia and when we need them as a partner and ally, we work with them but when they do things like they did in england with the poisoning of that individual, we sanction them, we stand up against them when we need to. >> sandra: we are told the president made his decision after several intelligence meetings last weekend was continually briefed over the weekend. a source tells fox news the president has not spoken with

vladimir putin but the information is being conveyed through "appropriate channels." russia warned of the u.s. not to go through with this. that leaves us out monday morning and we learn all of this. how aggressive of a move do you see this for this administratio administration? >> david: this is exactly what this president has always said, he is locked arm in arm with our greatest ally, great britain. he is saying enough is enough and we are going to continue to take steps to make russia understand how serious we are and how serious this president is. it's a dangerous world that we live in, we do need to have allies with russia and china on those issues we can, whether it's north korea, fighting isis or defeating terrorists in syria. but this president has said over and over again, he is going to act in america's best interest and i think that's what he's shown again here. >> sandra: that conversation with vladimir putin, we will see if that happens. right now officials are waiting

to see if he will reach sanctions. >> marie: i'm sure they're considering a lot of options and i think this is a very good step by the president. i know everyone's shocked that i just said that. >> lisa: i feel like i need to get my ears checked. >> marie: european countries to the same thing today, especially coming on the heels of last week's phone call with resident president putin, this is a good step that i hope is followed up with additional steps. >> harris: can i get in here really quickly, we have seen that russia is bowing now with reciprocal response. in a statement they say we deeply regret the decisions, russia will analyze the situation following the decisions by the united states

and this is interesting because when you say analyze and they say reciprocal, look at that look like? >> marie: i think they probably will expel american diplomats. >> harris: do we care? >> marie: yes and no, we care because it's important to us to have a presence on the ground in moscow and i think it's important for diplomatic reasons and intelligence gathering reasons but this is probably inevitable, i would say. >> lisa: does this finally prove that he is being tough on russia? there is a long list as the white house spokesperson has laid out, a long list of things president trump has done to be tough on russia. one of the first courses of action, send 59 tomahawk missiles to syria which was a message. you also look at the fact that illegal arms sales to ukraine, missile sales to poland, sending troops to poland, using energy exports as a geopolitical tool to try to combat russia as well, there's a long list of things

this president has done to push back on russia. >> harris: there are some things that happened in the last 72, 96 hours that people aren't talking about. three countries border north korea, one of them is russia. they sent a delegation to talk about building a second bridge from russia to north korea. these things matter, right? >> david: they certainly do. this president has been incredibly strong and forceful, using peace through strength, using everything at his disposal to try to make america safer at home and abroad and this is part of it. the russians are bad actors when it comes to this. you look at what the north koreans are about, we need to solve that problem. this president can deal with russia when he needs to and not when he doesn't want to or when they can't be trusted. the russians are bad actors but the democrat party has made this even more dangerous in my

opinion, they played politics with this fake russia collision story and force the president to being even tougher. >> sandra: if you could, marie, because you are in the position to do so having worked in the obama administration, can you give us a sense of what you're seeing with this administration and compare it to his predecessor? is president trump being tougher on russia than obama? >> marie: despite today's actions, which i do think are tough and are a good thing, president trump for some reason has not been able to be quite as tough on resident pollutant a number of people have said that, why did he call and congratulate vladimir putin on a sham election? 2018 is a very different time in russian politics. these are facts about russian politics. >> marie: you look -- those people, the obama administration

wanted to have a better administration with russia. there was nothing wrong with that then there's nothing wrong. >> sandra: it's a simple question, marie. >> marie: unequivocally, no. the president refuses because he is so angry about the collusion narrative, he has refused to fully acknowledge russia's interference in our election and is not taking the proper steps to crack down in advance of 2018. >> david: nothing is good enough for the democrats. >> marie: that's not a fair standard to layout. >> lisa: many would argue that president obama was weak on russia and part of the reason why russia's gathered a foothold in the middle east because president obama was weak on that issue. what do we do after the joint chief of staff's unclassified server got hacked, i don't remember any retaliation from the obama administration then. >> marie: the sanctions presidea

placed on russia were after-the-fact and he was accused by the hillary clinton campaign for not having done more at the time because he thought hillary clinton would've won the election. >> harris: based on what the former president said and maybe what he did, certainly since were talking about words here, when he looked at mitt romney and said a certain decade wants its foreign policy back about russia, he told us a lot about where his blind side would be in this issue. i think it's fair to take a look at how president obama really dealt with this, may be talked as he dealt with and talked about a lot of different things on foreign policy that didn't work out for him. we've got to move on. i want to come back to this issue at some point but for now, president trump is pushing back on reports that he's having trouble finding legal representation in the russia investigation. the president tweeted this.

this comes amid some upheaval in the president's team over the weekend, it was announced that the president will not hire lawyers due to a conflict of interest. that firm had represented the former trump aide who claim to that outgoing white house aide hope hicks may have been planning to obstruct justice in the russia investigation. also last week, the president's lead lawyer in the russia probe resigned. meanwhile, there's a debate among the president's own supporters over whether he should agree to an interview with robert mueller's team. newt gingrich says he shouldn't. president trump's former communications director says he should. watch. >> president trump is going to

be out there telling his story going into 2019 and 2020 and if he hasn't sat down i think that's going to make much tougher in the eyes of the american public to say he's completely clear. >> trump may have done a lot of civil litigation, but special councils are very different. >> harris: oh, boy. david, you see the news come out this weekend and some trump supporters shared with me that they like this news because it is continuous and they can take away some of that chaotic narrative. does any of that matter? the president needs the best legal team. >> david: he does need the best legal team and he wants it and that's just the reality of the business, you talk to lawyers and they go and check for conflicts. that happens every day around the country. this is no different. this president, whoever he has as a lawyer doesn't change the facts.

there was no collusion, there was no cooperation and that's what this president has been saying for almost two years now. this investigation has been going on for almost two years, august. this is outrageous. no evidence has shown any cooperation or collusion. >> sandra: it's fascinating to watch the husband -- wife duo. i was talking to andrew napolitano this morning who said he needs somebody tough in there. now are left wondering who's actually going to fill that voi void. what does a president need around them when it comes to his legal team? >> david: he does need tough. jay sekulow and ty cobb are tough and smart. adding to that an additional person, or people who are tough and smart is only going to make the president better represented but it doesn't change the facts.

>> harris: lisa, there's no reason to believe you can't have tough and loyal. >> lisa: i disagree with the president's tweet, i think it would be tough to find representation based on the fact that he has a mind of his own, he treats things out that probably aren't helpful to his case and also, fear of him saying he wants to talk to mueller, he's being advised not to talk to mueller, you could see him potentially not taking the advice of counsel. i think it will be tough to find counsel, i think it would be a little troublesome, whoever comes in now is going to be playing catch up on thousands of the dash this is such a critical case. there's been no evidence of collusion, i absolutely agree with your point on russia. >> david: this is a different type of investigation and i personally don't think this president ought to sit with

mueller as the first step, he should get written questions that can be answered very much like we did with hillary clinton in the '90s. >> harris: did you say hillary clinton? a former hillary clinton campaign aide is raising her eyebrows with her take on hillary's use of a private email server and how her campaign handled it. all the details coming up. and the fcc has confirmed an investigation is going into facebook as that company launched an ad campaign apologizing to its users over the massive data mining scandal. a top democrat on senate intelligence saying it's time for mark zuckerberg to come before congress and explain himself. should he? >> i think the whole industry has been reluctant to accept the fact that we are seeing the dark underbelly of social media.

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>> sandra: facebook shares falling after the federal trade commission admits it's investigating the company amidst calls for mark zuckerberg to testify before congress. over the revelation over

50 million facebook users information was misused during the presidential election. facebook bought full-page advertisements in the u.s. and u.k. in their newspapers. the company apologized to users for a "breach of trust." a recent poll says fewer than half of americans trust facebook to obey u.s. privacy laws. the top democrat in the senate intel committee says it is time for mark zuckerberg to explain himself. >> i think he needs to come and testify before congress, not just put an advertisement in the newspaper. he is the right guy, he can't send it back. when i'm called upon on an issue, it's my name on the door, take a staff member on your show representing me, he needs to testify before congress and explain how they're going to

work with us. >> sandra: he has some explaining to do and people are really concerned about this. everybody's talking about this and that poll does show a major dip in trust of the social media company, what should happen? >> david: i think mark zuckerberg is going to have no choice, i think he's going to have to testify whether it's in the house or senate or both, i think part of those questions need to be what is new here? what happened in 2016 that didn't happen in 2014 or in effect for obama was reelected in 2012. the obama campaign worked hand-in-hand with facebook then and data mind and got all their people out and about to turn out to vote. they were called geniuses for having done this. for working social media so smartly. now it seems to be a little bit of a double standard that the trump campaign did it, the

clinton campaign did it and so did hundreds of campaigns across the country. this is what facebook is, they are a data mining company. >> sandra: were often reminded of this exchange, you don't see it come up often but it does come up, when questions of privacy surround social media, this was reportedly an exchange between mark zuckerberg and one of his harvard classmates back in 2010. the exchange was, "if you ever need info about anyone at harvard, just ask." "i have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, how do you manage that one?" "people just admitted it, i don't know why, they trust me." that calls into question the history of privacy with faceboo

facebook. >> harris: anybody under a certain age knows you can't expect privacy online, you just don't. if you email your job, it's not yours. if you email outside your job, it can be hacked. we are at a point in our history where you just don't anticipate it. should that be exploited by any one? i don't know, i understand a lot of the stuff is for sale and i also think many of these companies understand that it's part of their business plan. when did our conscience catch up with what we've always known and that is you cannot expect privacy online. >> lisa: in that apology he wrote "i will be willing to testify if i'm the right person." guess what, you're the right person, all right. >> marie: for such a successful company, how are they so bad at p.r.? i will say one thing to david, i worked on the 2012 presidential campaign and the difference for obama's team was people had to proactively opt in and it was on

an obama campaign app. let me finish. i think what concerns people is data that didn't look like it was going to a political organization going to one. this is a bigger question about social media in our lives. it this is a bigger question about what we share online and how we do this. >> lisa: i worked in polling and for this they did give consent to academic research. facebook monetizes data. i can put up an ad for a 33-year-old that likes nickelback and new york. it wouldn't exist. this is what facebook does. the hillary clinton campaign was criticized for being too big data heavy and not just doing the retail politics going to places like wisconsin.

>> sandra: the stock sold off 12% last week. >> harris: across the channel, across your tv, we've seen facebook traffic slow down. >> sandra: now this investigation is opened by the sec, it's going to be one to watch. >> david: everyone needs to understand, it's forever. people know what you do. they know what you say, employers use it. >> sandra: but more importantly, it's for sale. new fallout from the interview of an adult film actress who alleges she had an affair with the president. now michael: is demanding that stormy daniels apologize for statements that he is calling false and defamatory. trying to turn protest into votes this weekend, nationwide rallies calling for gun control in the aftermath of the florida

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demanding more gun control. the former vice president said if democrats don't take that to the house, they should be prepared for eight years of president trump. chuck schumer made clear, this is an issue democrats will highlight, saying he is going to demand more debates on gun control issues. >> i am demanding that speaker ryan put those bells on the fall or demanding a floor of the house and let the american people speak. >> david: the democrats have no agenda, that's why joe biden is telling them to be careful and be ready to harness this energy. they have no agenda, that's why they lost in '16. they continue to not have an agenda for the american people, all they can be as anti-trump. the anger against the president is what they are trying to harness and that doesn't necessarily equate to votes.

>> harris: you will hear what david is saying, the messaging, the agenda not made clear by the democrats but you also hear that anti-trump is something they want to try again, cannot work? >> marie: it certainly worked in the elections we've seen around the country, we have had 20 and 2018 including state-level races. in all of those special elections in districts across the country, democrats are out polling how hillary clinton did by double digits. across the country there's been a shift in double digits away from her hillary clinton was in 2016. we have candidates in these districts who are out polling how she did in 2016. if republicans think they're going to coast on that they will be up for a lot of surprises. >> harris: no offense to hillary clinton or anybody else but the bar is pretty low there.

she didn't do as well as she should have done, you've heard said that around that country. >> marie: you've seen tightening on these generic ballot. these young voters are traditionally unreliable voters. secondly -- thirdly, i think if they focus on the issue of gun control you could do the unintended consequences of mobilizing pro-second amendment individuals in the country. part of what gives the nra so much power is they have something like 5 million members. you're talking about mobilizing those voices for fighting on the rights they feel are necessary unnecessarily being infringed upon. >> harris: i want to get to this quickly, it has to do, if you vote in your district right now, the breakdown. look at the difference between october and november.

>> sandra: there is obviously momentum there. i will ask you this, maybe marie needs to jump in. where's the left on the economy there. if you're talking about momentum and winning in the midterm, there is still no clear, concise message when it comes to the democratic party. >> david: running against this president's package, this is going to be a problem when all they have a scandal to try to run on. whether it's the russia collusion thing, whether it's any of these other things they're working on, we have to remember 1998 with bill clinton. that's a big issue, they ran against him thinking we were going to pick up seats and we lost. only talking about scandal. >> lisa: speaking of scandal, an attorney for president trump's lawyer telling stormy daniels to cease and desist after the

she detailed her alleged encounter with the president. she claims she was physically threatened to stay quiet and explain why she speaking out now. watch. >> people are saying whatever they want to say about me. i was purposely fine saying nothing at all but i'm not okay with being made out to be a liar or people thinking i did this for money, and people are saying you are an opportunist, you are taking advantage of this. i'm getting more job offers but tell me one person who would turn down a job offer doing the same thing they've always done and making more than they've been making. >> lisa: bill clinton saw his best approval rating at the time of his 1998 impeachment hearing and his job approval remained high when he left office. david, the two that note, will this impact president trump?

>> david: i think people are tired of these scandals. there is no evidence of russia collusion, now cnn and others are trying to shift to the salacious stories. it is ridiculous, the american people are tired of it. much like i was saying earlier, in the 1990s with bill clinton, we ran four campaigns and we didn't have the ability to overcome that. we thought scandals would defeat them and they didn't. >> sandra: you hear reports about the president's level of frustration, what is his level of frustration with this? >> david: how could anyone not be frustrated when you are having jobs, taxes, tax cuts, north korea coming to the table, the chinese coming to the table.

>> marie: he shouldn't have paid $130,000 in hush money. sandra they didn't invent that , we know $130,000 was paid using his trump organization email. also, female voters care about this. female voters do not like this kind of -- >> david: first of all this is ten or 12 years ago. monica lewinsky was in the white house. the american people didn't care about it in the '90s. >> harris: it was that many years ago but her involvement was 11 days before an election. that's why at least from her perspective it matters. >> david: she selling her story, that's what it looks like to me. >> harris: there was one take away, she said "absolutely not," she was not a victim of any sort of harassment or misconduct.

let's set that aside when we talk about women caring about this issue. what americans care is that she was a consenting adult. she says she speaking up now because she wants to set the record straight. she's lied several times before. they wanted to run a lie detector. she lied on paper and in person. my question is what is important, what is the american take away? she didn't tell the police at the time. >> marie: for 30 years my republican friends have told me as a democrat that personal morality matters and leaders. they have told me that over and over again. suddenly, all those people who told me personal morality matters don't seem to think it's a big problem now. donald trump having multiple affairs, these evangelical leaders speaking out and defending it, saying they like the policy. if morality matters, or doesn't

it. >> david: it's a double standard. the democrats throughout the '90s defended bill clinton to the end. they were never going to give him up and now the tables have turned. this happened years before his presidency. the difference was it was while he was president, it was an intern at the white house and he lied about it. and he lied about it under oath. >> marie: donald trump may get deposed as part of civil litigation. i said it may. there is civil litigation in the courts. >> harris: we know this woman has lied. she had to address that, i thought anderson cooper did a really good job. >> marie: donald trump may have two respond to civil litigation where he will have to

tell the truth. >> lisa: i have a feeling that this conversation will continue at some point. there's a new sheriff in town at the national security council, the president's new national security advisor is claiming to clean house. who could be the first to go, and can he plug the agency of leaks? we will discuss at all, stay tuned. ♪ morning on the beach was so peaceful. until... it... wasn't. don't let type 2 diabetes get between you and your heart. because your risk of heart attack or stroke is up to four times greater. but there are steps you can take to lower your cardiovascular risk. talk to your health care provider today about diabetic heart disease. and find out more at heartoftype2.com.

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to plug any further leaks from the agency to the press. cory lewandowski says the leaks must stop. >> you can have a disagreement with the president, he wants to have conversations on all sides but when the decision is made you have to be on the team because the president is the final arbiter. you can disagree privately but publicly it's very problematic. >> marie: were coming into a pretty important few months with foreign policy and the national security advisor will play a key role, that's why i think the president wanted this new team in place. staffing changes at the national security council, are they a good idea when they need all the help they can get? it seems like with all these big meetings coming up? >> david: the president needs to have his team around him. i think john bolton is going to be a breath of fresh air at the national security council in that position. he's going to come in and evaluate everybody and i want him to make changes. if you find people were leaking,

whether its last weeks conversation about the president talking to vladimir putin, whether it was last year, those conversations during the transition as he took office, we were reading about his conversations on the front pages of the newspaper. it's outrageous what the national security staff is done. if an investigation finds that. john bolton needs to be somebody who comes in as a neutral arbiter and finds out what the facts are and cleans house because this president needs a team. what he said yesterday on "meet the press" is exactly right. the president wants to hear all sides but when he makes a decision, this goes for any president, by the way. when the president makes the decision, everybody's on the same page, move on. >> marie: what's interesting about john bolton, who we all have worked with a lot, when he was nominated to be ambassador to the u.n., there were republicans who didn't vote to confirm him, not because of his views on policy but because of his management style.

he's been accused of being a difficult manager. do you think there are maybe some staffers who won't want to work for him? >> harris: i think there are some people throughout the administration will look at a guy like john bolton -- i've been hanging out as a former holdover, what's going to happen to me now? not just because john bolton may have the reach to do something about their potential disloyalty or even -- >> lisa: you don't think h.r. mcmaster had that same? >> harris: i think anybody strong coming in and taking a look at wanting continuity, maybe not the lit mist of loyalty but somebody who can do their job irrespective of their political beliefs, i think yes, there were a lot of people across the administration. john bolton in particular has been speaking about how damaging it is on this very couch. how damaging it potentially as if people are not all on the same page.

it doesn't mean they have to agree but respectfully, they have to listen. >> lisa: the national security implications are damaging. we sought not that long ago, theresa may temporarily paused intel sharing because there was leaks about the manchester bombing. getting these leaks under wraps are very important so everyone collectively, regardless of what side of the alley or on should want these leakers plugged into get rid of them. >> sandra: marie, you know john bolton, do you think he's the right guy to get things don done? >> marie: i think it's hard to determine and more people you then you think have access to this stuff. the leaks -- he shouldn't focus on that. >> david: another one coming into another agency, heading up as economic advisor who is going to get the same opportunity. >> marie: we will certainly be

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>> sandra: let's touch base with harris on about what's coming up on "outnumbered overtime" in just a few minutes. >> harris: we are going to talk about russian diplomats over the poisoning of a former russian spy in britain. is this president now showing more spine against russia than president obama ever did and what will president trump's critics have to say now? the facebook data mining scandal already started the delete facebook movement and got advertisers pulling out. the federal trade commission now is investigating. ken mark zuckerberg afford to not testify before congress? we will talk about all of it and more, "outnumbered" at the top of the hour. >> sandra: the former communications director for hillary clinton's campaign is claiming in her new book that it was foolish not to push harder

on that email issue, saying that clinton wanted to address it but the campaign urged her not to. she writes... >> david: this is so funny to me. maybe because she's a woman she didn't go to pennsylvania or michigan or wisconsin, any of the reasons she was the worst candidate possible for them to put up. maybe andrew mccabe and james comey didn't investigate because she was a woman. maybe the second independent special counsel were going to

get as a result of this current investigation will uncover the whole thing. >> sandra: you are not going to get marie on that because she has conceded that hillary clinton is not a good candidate, but would you concede that she couldn't get over that little email issue because she's a woman? >> david: >> marie: two things e here, the first is they did not respond as they should have. they did not respond in the right way, it was not because she is a woman that people didn't like the email situation. there was sexism that play out in parts of this election, sure. it had nothing to do with email situation. both things can be true. >> lisa: hillary clinton and her team, if they had put much s much thought into winning the election as they had coming up with excuses for why she lost, perhaps they would've won. also, not to mention the fact that i think the biggest thing that impacted her was creating this private server which marie admits she should not of created

and subsequently lying about it repeatedly to the american people. 92% of americans thought she either broke the law or exercised poor judgment and that really damaged her. >> marie: it got mixed up with leaked emails from john podesta and the dnc. it took on this huge importance. i don't think her email server should amend she couldn't be president. but the fact that the american people didn't like it wasn't because she's a woman. i'm going to get an angry email after this. >> david: she was a terrible candidate, terrible campaign. she goes to india and says people were asking their husbands who to vote for, it's so outrageous. she continues to be a problem for the democratic party. they need for her to go away, we need for her to stay around.

>> sandra: this reminds me of all the excuses she and her team have offered up. more "outnumbered" in just a moment, we will be right back.

>> this is another one of those days i wish i could tell you what we talked about. that's really funny. fine. do you have any final thoughts? >> this was a lot of fun. thank you. >> happy monday.

>> any big plans tonight? >> no. none. >> all right. that's it for us. we are here tomorrow at noon eastern time. thank you for joining us. here is harris. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. the president getting tougher on russia. let's go outnumbered overtime. i'm harris faulkner. president trump ordering the expulsion of 60 russian diplomats the u.s. identified as intelligence officers. plus, he's closing the russian consulate in seattle. the white house says the move comes in response to the nerve agent attack on a former russian spy and his daughter in the u.k. several u.s. allies, including canada, also expelling russian diplomats adds a sign of solidarity after great britain ex-pulled two dozen earlier this month. the kremlin telling russian state media it will retaliate. white house deputy press secretary hogan gibley earlier on fox news. >> the president's been very clear that w