their good luck charm. the wildcats take on kansas. who is your team. should i bet jesse waters again? we will see you back here tomorrow night. virginia is out so tucker doesn't care. see you later. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." if there is one lesson of this weekend's "march for our lives," it's that ending violence in america is easy. so easy that even children know how to do it. all that stand between the broken country we live and peace for the future is a small group of evil people mostly republicans. as a parkland student noted there are sick f-ers out there who want to sell more guns and murder more children and get

reelected. his school mate agreed. if you take money from the nra you have chosen death. in the nra was not blindly commited to killing children and enjoy murder for its own sake, we would not have school shootings in the first place. speakers of the march told us that and the media amplified that message and formed a ring around the activities. as ben white put it. the sickening efforts to slime, undermine and dehumanize he's young people betrays an enormous amount of fear. in other words, shut up america and don't ask questions. the kids know what they are doing? do they know? fox.com ran this story. i have covered gun violence for years and the solutions are not a big mystery.

written by german lopez. he is still in his 20s. i have covered gun violence for years may be an over-statement. but lopez approached this subject with the self-confidence of a research scientist wading in data. lopez said america needs australia's buy back program paired with the serious ban on specific firearms. including all semi-automatic weapons. there are more than 100 million of those in the united states and the majority are in the bedroom closets of law-abiding americans. how would we take all of those guns? somebody would have to go door-to-door to take them by force and arrest anyone who rifts. in the name of ending gun violence, people would be shot to death.

who will do it? local police? the fbi, delta force? german lopez of fox did not volunteer for that job himself. he blamed the nra for blocking the whole idea. quote: wait, we have news here. the supreme court is also in the pocket of the nra. is there evidence of that? which justices are taking gun money or he just throwing out that claim because all descent people know the nra evil. why get hung up on details? this is the problem with letting children write news stories. the articles tend to be dumb and dishonest and reinforce the fantasy that complex problems

have simple solutions. in real life nothing is simple. we don't know why the number of school shootings has risen. this self-righteous kids screaming at you over the weekend are not helping. erica thomas joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. what do you think would happen if we tried to confiscate assault weapons from law-abiding americans? >> well, it's about how people will respond. what happened back in 1994. we had a ban on assault rifles. mass shootings went down by 43%. we want those to go down. >> tucker: didn't columbine take place during the assault weapons

ban and the overall rate remain unchanged? >> you are right about cotum bin. -- columbine. i said 43% went down. >> tucker: the clinton justice department was required to study the facts. the death rate by firearms did not decline over that 10 year period. no lives were saved. doesn't that give you pause? >> no tdoesn't. when i think about 2004 when congress lifted that ban and mass shootings went up over 200%. those are the numbers. mass shootings went up. those are the numbers. >> tucker: the murder rate didn't move at all. okay, those are the numbers. what do you think would happen if law enforcement pushed by

democratic politicians tried to take the guns from law-abiding americans? what do you think the effect would be? >> i am not talking about takes guns from law-abiding citizens. i am talking about a ban on assault rifle. what war do we need assault rifles? [overlapping talking]. >> tucker: i don't want to argue with you. here's the legislation you supported in georgia. i am quoting from the legislation: the georgia bureau of investigations shall seize and take possession of any assault weapon. that's not voluntary. that's mandatory. you have hundreds of thousands of people in your state who own weapons you say are assault weapons. are you worried that someone

might get killed if one law enforcement comes and says we are taking your gun away? what do you think would happen? you support the law that would call for it. >> what i am worried about is when the constitution was made and when the second amendment was made, it stated that, of course, the second amendment, but let's talk about when it was made. that was when assault rifles, you have to take several minutes to reload an assault rifle. now it's several seconds. [overlapping talking]. let's review that law again. >> tucker: okay. you keep dodging my question. i think it's important. we are getting to a point where actual legislation has been sponsored and will be begin saying the government needs to take people's weapons by force. if you really care about preventing deaths, i wonder if you are concerned even a little bit there might be a violent reaction to that. ?

is crazy to suggest? >> that's not crazy. by forces not what we want to do. >> tucker: that's what the law says. >> i am talking about saying anything about force. >> tucker: did you support the law saying the state should seize and take possession of these guns? >> i support saving lives. that's ban on assault rifles. these kids are out here and they are saying we need to put a ban on assault rifles. >> tucker: we are both against killing. i have concerns about the effects of the law that you supported but don't want to address. the overwhelming majority of gun deaths in this country are caused by handguns, not by assault rifles. that's a tiny percentage. why are we banning the guns that causes a small percentang ever killings but leaving the guns that cause the majority legal? >> i understand what you are saying.

you may say it's a small percentage. >> tucker: it is. >> when it's your brother or your sister, it's not a small percentage. [overlapping talking]. e >> tucker: don't demagogue it with me. i am not downplaying the significance of anyone's death. since assault rifles cause few deaths and handguns cause the majority of deaths, why not calling for seizing and taking possession of handguns if you care so much about gun violence? >> i would ask you the same question. would you call for a ban on handguns. no you would not. >> tucker: guns don't cause killings. fewer american house holds have

guns than 40 years ago. >> so why not put a ban on assault rifles? why not? >> tucker: because you have over 100 million semi-automatic weapons in the united states right now. what do you do with those? >> if people want to have assault rifles, join the military. [overlapping talking]. don't shoot our kids in america. >> tucker: i ask you questions and you don't want to answer. okay. media coverage of the weekend's anti-gun marches were a lot like what you just saw. overwhelming and deeply one sided. you think the second amendment still applies to america, then you are evil. that was the message. watch. >> there are a handful of marches you remember that our

town remembers. the civil rights marches of the '60s and the abortion rights marches of the '80s and 90s and the million man march. this is right up there. >> the wheels of change are happening. women sufferage started and civil rights. >> i think they will exceed the 500,000. whatever the number, the makeup and the content of it is something this nation has never seen. this is an awe inspiring moment. >> tucker: joe writes about the media for the hill and watches a lot of television and joins us tonight. joe, there are people on the stage over the weekend who said and we repeated some of what they said. . if you disagree me on gun control policy, you are on the side of killing children. that's extreme. did anyone covering this point that out or did it just slide

like it was that normal? >> it slid because it is normal if you listen to the rhetoric on college campus. you are with us or against us or we will shout you down and not allow you to speak if you differ from our point of view. i didn't hear talk about the high school in maryland where a resource officer took out the shooter before there was further loss of life. one girl did pass away last week. that's a solution that wasn't allowed to be presented because in the mind of many of the people organizing this event, there is only one solution. that's an assault weapons ban. you have to allow other ideas to be presented to such a comprehensive problem. we had 26 mass school shootings at elementary school or high school since columbine in 1999. let's hear some other ideas or about the failures of law

enforcement and if our police officers are ready to engage when these things happen. >> tucker: the 4 armed deputies outside of the high school in parkland were they mentioned at all? >> i didn't see that. i saw a lot of david hogg. when he first came on the screen, i tweeted out how impressed i was in terms of how articulate and intelligent he was. i said that would be a big star in this business. he's gone off the rails and no journalist challenged him. he told this to fox news: we want this be to a community discussion. we can't have debates between republicans and democrats. that's fair enough. but a couple of weeks ago he was bragging he hung up on the white house and said we don't need to listen to president trump. the white house called to invite

him to a listening session. he said president trump needs to listen to the screams of this children. okay, you won't attend a listening session but you are telling us we have to listen to each other. he wants to be treated as an adult. you need to challenge some of the things he is saying. >> tucker: you can't do that. as ben reminded us that would be dehumanizing the children so you have to sit back and pretend they are wise. the anti-gun coverage moved briskly into the coverage of stormy daniels the porn star. this is dominating cable news for how long and to what end? >> well, it remind us of 2014 and the jet that went missing. it's the only story that is out there. i am telling the doesn't move the needle "one more thing" bit.

-- the needle one bit. president trump's ratings creeped up to 42%. cnn has him at the highest rating in months. presidents have had affairs going back to eisenhower, kennedy, johnson, and clinton. with donald trump people know what they got. a thrice-married guy in the tabloids on a regular basis. i grew up here. i read about him. there is nothing to see here for the trump supporters. >> tucker: yeah, i don't think they are surprised. you cover tv and know the people who work in our business. do you think they are in a good place to lecture the rest of the country about personal moral standards? do you think i -- they are the

people who should give that lecture? >> they are some of the last people to be talking about that. one more point. anderson cooper conducted this interview and did a good job. the optices going into it. i asked your producers to grab this photo. it was him and of stormy daniels and of her lawyer. they are all arm and arm. this was taken right before or after the interview. if you are a trump supporter, you saw that and said i don't remember mike wallace posing with the person arm in arm along with the lawyer. >> tucker: hilarious. joe, thank you. >> sure. no problem. >> tucker: well, the "60 minutes" stormy daniels interview did massive ratings. 21 million last night. does it matter? mark stein joins us next with his view of it. stay tuned.

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>> ♪ >> ♪ >> tucker: stephanie clifford who performs naked in on line videos under the name of stormy daniels went on "60 minutes." the ratings were huge and spiked 111%. she alleged 12 years ago she had a one day affair with donald

trump. the white house denies this. cable news has been talking about nothing since other than stormy daniels. what do you make of this? even if you assume the story is true and you might, you have to wonder why it matters. if you are a trump supporter, you are not so surprised. you knew who donald trump was when you voted for him but you did it any way because you understood the only option s wee people who hated you if you are a trump opponent is stormy daniels the best you can do? how about the budget deal that president trump signed? it does nothing to protect the country from the foreign invasion. the press ignored that. why? because reporters could care less about voters. how about the 16,000 americans who overdosed last year and the

shrinking middle-class? that's not interesting to them. nobody in brooklyn cares. tv networks devoted their schedule to convincing us that donald trump is naughty. apparently americans had no idea that donald trump had an outlandish personal life. it's not like he bragged about it. now it's clear that trump is flawed, the media insists that america has an obligation to be shocked and disgusted. if there is one thing reporters do well, it's setting a high moral tone for the rest of us. that's why people are anxious to take important life advice from tv anchors and parents dream about allowing anyone in cnn's prime-time line-up to baby sit their kids. come on. what is more shocking is trump's personal life or the

mindlessness and the dishonest of the average tv anchor? it's not a close call. mark stein is an author who had never heard of stormy daniels until last night. he joined us now. i am sure you watched every moment of this unfolding saga. what is your view? >> well, i think that it's what is in the media. i am an old fleet street hand. we knew about sex scandals in the u.k. 3 in a bed. affixiation. i have been there and done. that i know all about it. when this thing started and tucker, you may have seen anderson cooper asking about the mechanics of the act -- i was thinking, oh, this is an actual sex scandal. i will make a nice cup of tea and settle down. i came back and there was a

pasty bloat called trevor. that's not even an american name. he was with the federal election committee and saying that trump's lawyer may have committed a campaign election crime by giving stormy daniels $130,000. my god, is there anything in this country that can't be a federal regulation infraction. i was settling down for a sex scandal and it's a campaign finance infraction after all. to tie it all into the spend bill, trump paid off -- if it's true -- trump paid off a porn star for $130 grand. that's the hart of the deal. i would like to see that trump with mcconnell and paul ryan last friday. >> tucker: i agree. how does it make you feel to

know when you watch cnn that the people in the anchor chairs are better than you are and they will go to heaven. their salvation is a certainty because of their deepidency? >> there is something creepy about the moral car reasoning of these people. i don't know a lot of points. the last one i knew is about 89. i don't know stormy daniels. she is a usually vessel to cnn and the others. in 2 year's time she will be

probi broke and wandering what happened to the tv interest and the swarmy lawyer 22 whose hands she's fallen. the public interest is john edwards, when he was running for president, got into this mess. the department of justice's argument was john edwards's family image was part of his political image and was regulated. trump is the opposite. he is howard stern and show girls. he has more ex-wives than the previous 44 presidency combined and double. he didn't have a family man image that falls within federal regulation. this is going nowhere and anderson cooper may be turned on by it, but nobody else is.

>> tucker: it would be interesting to know if the press understands why trump got elected. i bet there is not a single person who voted for trump on the base of his personal life. great to see you. thank you. facebook built its empire on surveillance capitalism. now we are waking up to what that means. can the company survive snshd it survive? that's next. if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough, it may be time for a change. ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed

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>> tucker: the hits keep coming from facebook. first the company was rocked by the revelation that cambridge analytica harvested data and now the company is accuseds itself of data collect. it may have been spying on people. it was reported that facebook collected contacts and text messages from android phone users without their knowledge. thanks for coming on. >> happy to be here, tucker. >> tucker: one take is it seems like the rest of the country is waking up to the basic nature of facebook. it spies on you. >> i think that the issue is exactly as you framed it. the business model, which is based on advertising, requires them to know as much as they can

about every single user. what you can't tell as a user is they are using every tool available. andujroid phones allows faceboo to down load all of your contacts and texts. a lot of people discovered that it's not just cambridge analytica. from 2010 to 2014 there were tens of thousands and maybe hundreds of thousands of applications that harvested all of this user data without the permission of the user. >> tucker: that gives facebook more power over you know that any government has had over american citizens. should we are worried about that

power? >> that requires great judgment and facebook's judgment around this power has been poor. my tenure there from 2006 to 2009, was before the company developed a business model. so i was withdrawn while this was going on. as i came to understand what going on, i felt it was important to reach out to mark zuckerberg and sarah sandberg and make them aware of it. it's hard to recognize your baby is a huge problem. but i am afraid it has. candidly i am glad these revelations are coming out because they need to change their strategies. >> tucker: android users are be spied on upon. will we learn that about apple? >> no, apple has a different

structure. in apple's model people pay directly to apple. in facebook where the advertiser is the customer and the user is the product. the user to android is also a product. that's a problem. they are not treating us like humans. they are treating us like fuel to generate profits. that has to stop. silicone valley has to recognize they can still be billionaires without stripping privacy and selling it to the highest bidder. >> tucker: it took government 40 years to respond to the health effects of tobacco. how long will it take our government to respond to the bad effects of facebook and google?

>> i don't think the best response will be from the government. it will be from the users and the employees these companies. i don't think the employees understood what the companies were doing. wait a minute, that's not something they want to be part of it. i think you will see some kind of push back and rebellion. one of the things we have been trying to encourage the employs of facebook to do is recognize that, hey, wait a minute, these are great ideas. but the advertising business model has terrible incentives and billions of people are hurt by it. not just in the u.s. but around the world. frankly, they can be successful without doing that stuff. it's on the employees to fix. it the government can't fix this on a time frame that would make difference. >> tucker: that's a good point. they are not even trying. thanks. we are out of time.

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>> ♪ >> tucker: university of toronto professor jordan peterson is a phenomenon. his book is one of the biggest best seller written by a canadian offer. he questions the left's rhetoric on gender and he was called dangerous. fox published a massive and unbelievable stupid piece accusing peterson of reactionary politicses that validate white, straight men at the extent of

everyone else. thanks for coming. a hurt dog barks. have you done something that made people upset. what do you think you have said that the left find so profactative? >> i pointed out why they are incorrect. on issues like gerundegender. the scientific data is crystal clear. they are foaming at the mouth because i am poking holes in their cherished notions. they think people can be made over in their image. they are not happy about that. >> tucker: when they say your ideas are dangerous they are saying your ideas are dangerous to them? >> i hope so.

i am not a fan of radical leftists. looked what happened in the 20 century with them. >> tucker: you can't be one of many people who has these views? >> they are more common than you think. anybody who studies personality and a credible scientists knows the difference between men and women are biological factors. the only people it's contentious around is people who already lost the scientific battle. they look it to the legislative front to enforce their views. they are mainstream science. it's not pseudo-science. it's mainstream science. people are not disputing this. it's been known at least since

the 1990s. >> tucker: why are people whose views are not road trip in science but in emotion dominating our public conversation? >> i think there is a technical reason for that. it's obvious that things can go too far on the right and on the left. it's easy to put a box around people who go too far on the right. but it's not too easy to put a box around people who go too far on the left. they don't have a red flag nature like claims of racial superiority. it's hard for them to disassociate themselves from those who went too far. we don't know where the red flag are in for the leftists. it doesn't seem as pathological as claims of racial superiority. it's harder for people on the

left to disassociate themselves from the people who would do everyone in. >> tucker: you drew the line at pretending that biological sex is not real. you said i won't lie about science. is that a good start for the rest of us to start? >> it's a reasonable plals. the idea that biological sex and genderi identity vary. there is nothing you can claim that is more falls. -- false. now it's being written into the law. it's a telling commentary to the state of political discourse across the west. i think it's equality of the outcome is a bad one. >> tucker: i agree. the good news is taking a stand

on behalf of truths, there is a huge audience for that and you are a living testament to that. thanks. good to see you. thousands of homeless people created a tent structure on skid row in los angeles. katie hopkins spent a weekend there. her story and video and her next. ♪ applebee's to go. order online and get $10 off $30. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.

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>> ♪ >> ♪ >> tucker: for more than 100 years california was the golden state. in the past 30 years it's the poverty capital of america. higher percentage of california ns are impoverished. tens of thursday live in l.a.

country many along skid row. what is it like in the heart of darkness. katie hopkins came over from london and spent the past weekend there in downtown los angeles. she joins us with a report. katie, you are not from the united states. you don't live here. you have a fresher take on this. what was your reaction when you saw skid row in l.a.? >> for a long time when i am in l.a. you drive past skid row and they point out that's where the homeless people live. look away and don't go there. the hotel giving out maps put a sticker over skid row like it doesn't exist. i figured i would stay there and see how big this problem is. it's like nothing else on earth. i have been to migrant campus, this is worse than that. it's one big sea of human waste

and rats and filth. the number of rats there outweighs the population which is 3,000 people living in tennessee volunteers. it's a desperate situation. i really feel as well there is a human health hazard that is a time bomb waiting to go off. it's like london in the 1600's just prior to the plague. it's no wonder that democrats would rather talk about sanctuary cities because that sounds nicer than potential plague in l.a. >> tucker: some of the video you sent is too over the top to show. too disgusting. i walked around india not long ago and never saw anything like this. los angeles is much richer than bombay. why does this exist in l.a.?

>> it's a curious thing. there are lots of tears and sympathy. a women's shelter. a lot of places of care. but what is missing from skid row is someone capable of gripping the place. democrats are always full of tears, tea and sympathy and giving out charity. what you need is the military to go in. you need houses units put in place and clear the area in order to clear it up. that's not going to be done with sympathy or it's such a shame these poor people. that will be done with a military operation to clear up that area. no one is really going to want to take that. what we need in america i think is more leaders who are willing to be unpopular and a few more journalists who are willing to stop gazing at the cleavage of stormy daniels whoever and going out and reporting on the reality

on the streets that no one is talking about. >> tucker: i am embarrassed to say it's not just los angeles. it's chicago and san francisco and washington, d.c. and new york city. something connects these. >> i think that is right. >> tucker: your 15 seconds on that. what do you think it is? what is the cause of this? what is behind it? >> i think this all stems from the sense that everybody is free to do whatever they want and we will support the fact that the family unit doesn't matter anymore. the fact you can rely on the government for everything. we will support the fact that the government is supposed to provide you with a house and you don't have to take individual accountability. what it ends up is a bunch of people who are lost and beyond help. you shutdown the sanitoriums. they have nowhere to go. tea and sympathy and allowing people to live however they like won't cut it. this entire area of downtown -- no one goes. there i was the only woman there

that i was not living in a tent. >> tucker: i bet. >> what i say to people in california, you think is a problem in downtown? this problem is coming to you. tent cities are building all over the place. >> tucker: that's true. thank you. cnn found a scandal in the trump cabinent. someone may not believe in diversity. stay tuned. yard, is his secret weapon... the scotts turf builder program. it's the best way to get the yard you want all year long, guaranteed. all it takes is 4 feedings, with a scotts solution for every season. and with a customized plan from the scotts my lawn app, your yard can look like pete's. it's that easy. this is a scotts yard. download the scotts my lawn app for your personalized plan.

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that's not allowed. according to fresh reporting by cnn on several occasions he told others in private he cared less about diversity and more about hiring the best person involved. skill backed hiring. cnn said he angers many by saying it's more important to find the best people." no wonder they were angry. the right person for the job in the federal government in 2018? come on. we called the department of interior to check it out. a spokeswoman calmed our fears and assured thus is not true. he doesn't hire people on the basis of their skilless. that would be insane. he uses irrelevant criteria to make the call. the diversity police can stand

down tonight. that's it for us. we had a fun hour with you. sean hannity. >> sean: breaking tonight. i said it before and i will prove it: journalism in this country is dead. this weekend you witnessed just one more if not the final nail in the coffin. that the media russia obsession is not working out, instead of russia, it's stormy, stormy and more stormy. the nonstop assault on president trump and his character reached a new low. then there is creepy anderson cooper with the king of porn and they are all leading the way. we will show you how this breathless hysteria surrounding stormy daniels